I think I get what Falko's saying. I consider myself centrist, but that doesn't mean I'm neutral on every issue out there. You can understand where someone is coming from without agreeing with them.

total center?

^

or just center as left and right is concerned?

not really... it just means that there are more positions on which you agree with "the left"... not even the "extreme left", just "the left"

You cant be perfect centre. We're all inclined in some way biologically and psychologically

I'm starting to entertain the notion that maybe true neutral isn't really something someone *needs* to strive for and it's more of an emphasis on actually being able to listen and understand other people's opinions. ..I say this as someone that's usually center/center on most days.

Drifts based on mood, you know how it is.

Im just saying, it gives you an indication of your own bias .. and something to watch out for ... and maybe open your mind to opposing ideas on the compass

sure, i can agree with that

Agreed

Though having solid facts would help a ton.

Same thing, in a broader sense when it comes to personality imo

I kinda see it as a big target... and youre kinda aiming for the bullseye... but you still get lots of points for getting near the centre 😃

For example, I still have a problem differentiating socialism and communism because there doesn't seem to be a solid definition anymore.

Soviet russia was communist. Venuzuela is socialist. I'm not seeing much of a difference in how they're functioning or acting right now.

Makes it really hard to accept 'socialist' ideas.

The left dont like borders, so their ideologies kinda blend together cuz of that lol

I saw a video on this recently.. someone explaining that communism has actually "never been tried" ... that old chestnut... but they were basically saying that all these countries were actually just socialist

Which, in all honesty, pushes me even further away from the idea of socialism.

it is not important if one likes borders or not, they are necessary.

enlightened alt centrists unite

Wakanda forever!

`pls no`

when the left says "kill all kittens", and the right says "no dont kill any kittens", the obvious correct answer is to kill half of the kittens!

Hear hear.

gotta balance the universe somehow

"true" communism is kinda impossible as it require everyone to think the same thing without descent, socialism is meant to be a transition to that but its all a pipe dream

a regular centrist would compare both possitions and pic the one that suits him more, but the enlightened alt centrists do everything half

everyone who says that "real communism/socialismm has not been tried" is an self absorbed idiot. seriously... do they REALLY think that somehow THEY know better than any leader that tried it?

From what I've heard, the only time "true communism" works is when it's a very small, tight knit community wherein everyone *trusts* one another.

Moment the trust is gone and there's uncertainty things go out the window. This is ignoring human nature as well but, yeah.

I do find interesting how social values can shift through "the left" and "the right" .. like religious conservativism used to be "the right", but now its on the left.. and free speech was on "the left" but now its on "the right"

you can make anything work with a small group of people

Honestly? No. I've yet to see a community where it really goes that deep and nobody has to worry about trust issues. At least, if we're talking more than a handful of people at best.

@Giant Energy Penis very true. It require no outside interference as well. Which is why Marx said it needed to be a world wide revolution all at once for it to be successful

@wacka I've also been considering that the old standards of "left vs right" really are just that. Old and antiquated.

Might need a new system to properly define things.

Marx also said that he is not a Marxist

Penis, people have been saying that for years now

lol yup, Marx def wasnt a marxist

well.. people could start using left-authoritarian and left-liberal... same with right-authoritarian and right-liberal

I haven't heard too many people talking about it. Just using the terms "the left" and "the right" to explain the systems we have in place.

people are kind of using it already

@wacka Wait... so you assume that if people aren't in the center they are close minded? Reallly?

For me it's been "libertarian/authoritarian" "globalist/..nationalist"?

but I would say antifa confuses that... they preach authoritarianism but practice liberal anarchism

Forgot which word I've been using as the opposite of globalist, it's been a while.

antifa confuses fascist with cars

@.B I didnt mean close minded - just closing their minds of some ideas on the opposing compass side

so you are assuming that when you see the other extreme that would push you to their side

I think it is exactly the opposite

there is a term

you have the regular run of the mill non extreme liberal types

and then the other liberal sjw antifa race baiting types are shitlibs

The more I see welfare, the more I side with nationalism. Though ideally I'm for free market and not protectionism

I've been on both sides of the whole welfare thing. And lemme tell you. It's not pretty.

Technically I'm still on one side of it but yeah.

thats what Im saying... open up to the ideas... find compromises

@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth How do you define that by the way? Is it how they define themselves or how they act?

Open to new ideas means understanding them and their points. What most would do is swing more to their side because they understand that it's "needed"

i guess a smol test would be in what they think of conservative

like

if you are for welfare you HAVE to be nationalist, otherwise you are just bad at maths

Exactly

Nonsense, just give everyone $0.50 in bread. It'll be fine, right?

literally hitler = shitlib
disagree passionatly but still human/allowed/etc = liberal

have debt? just print more money!

Yeah that's kind of the issue I guess.

Part of the reason I was pushed to care too damn much about politics and this entire debate is because of what I've lived with for the past few years.

They're self-proclaimed "moderate, progressive liberals."

`In actuality they're some of the most disgustingly racist people I've ever come in contact with.`

But they don't exist either, because everywhere you go everyone blames the modern "shitlib" mentality on middle-class white people and this is a severely low/fixed income black household. :v

if "racism" is a problem to you, you should discard the victim card already. Its a waste of everyone's time

God I wish I could make them do that.

when is this farmlands video coming out?

I dont know if I can trust Southern that much, but it seems like an important docu that the MSM doesnt seem to want to cover

https://a.uguu.se/4maVn1sDKWhF_chrome_2018-05-03_14-05-01.png

Referring to this?

ya

It's in final production, maybe a week or two

i take her videos with a grain of salt

https://twitter.com/qikipedia/status/992116587002933248

to be fair we have people on 56k dial up here, they would also lose to the pidgeon 😄

I don't see how she leaves out any more info than Tim, she is right and Tim is left, they both have a focus on different sides, but both are honest and true

er.. macron just said the Australian PMs wife was "delicious" ... to his face.....

okay... but is she?

I haven't seen her be proven wrong by anyone credible

to macron? probably https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Lucy+Turnbull&num=50&safe=off&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB734GB734&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LUz9U3MCwpyElRAjNNDEoKLLUkspOt9AtS8wtyUoFUUXF-nlVxQX5pcSoA9FRHgjIAAAA&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirn8O7n-raAhWIT98KHfc5DgoQ_AUICygC&biw=1920&bih=910

https://a.uguu.se/bZ8ZxjADWaFO_firefox_2018-05-03_14-11-47.png

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/05/02/macron-calls-australian-leaders-wife-delicious-and-demonstrates-the-perils-of-diplomacy-in-a-foreign-language/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2c2247a6a6c7

So basically, a huge non-issue.

I'm Australian, am I delicious?

yes

its a french guy trying to speak anything but french, of course its a non issue 😉

I mean we could test that, but considering you're Australian there's a high chance getting anywhere near you would result in us dying.

Note to self: If I ever go to Australia, I should check out the local cannibal restaurant.

lol 👍

`Just order pork at an aussie restaurant. Same effect, far more convenient.`

heh.. the PMs face https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/992111429762379776

https://a.uguu.se/VaCYbVmXGcJ2_firefox_2018-05-03_14-15-20.png

that forced smile like.... "wtf just happened"

That's not 'really' a bad thing to say in Australian context, it's taken as more of a visual term here

She looks delicious, not she tasted delicious. It's just not PC to say so, but PC is on the way out hopefully

off topic... was weinstein ever accused of sexual assault?

Maybe it'd help if everyone stopped assuming whenever someone says something that isn't perfectly calculated and triple checked with the backing of a huge panel that it wasn't automatically meant to be offensive?

I have a panel triple checking to make sure everything is offensive, it's called being an Aussie

~~cunt~~

Cunts rulez

BBC said he had numerous allegations of sexual assault... but I thought it was just indecent requests and abusing his power in the industry?

Quick search is showing the court case hasn't happened yet.

Abusing power = abusing dumb people

But based on being forced to listen to the MSM, he's not really in the news right now.

Just a bunch of moral grandstanding.

the story wasnt about him.. they just slipped that in there

on this one http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43994591

Is there no other way, they choose to fuck him for the easy path

I dont think they did... did they? .. wasnt it just a weird.. watching him shower thing or something?

damn, that reaction time on polanski...

It was consensual, watching him fap, if I got the right person

..Wasn't that someone else?

Some comedian.

Except he was rejected after asking.

Properly, yeah you're right

louis CK

Right, him.

Yeah, that's him

I don't think he actually did anything wrong in that case.

I mean, he *did* ask.

huh.. apparently its world press freedom day .... happy world press freedom day Tim

thats a scary rise in that "journalists imprisoned" chart at the bottom http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-43961380

it's not really surprising, though

hmm it probably doesnt mean anything.. and is just an odd coincidence.. but the rise in imprisoned journalists is inversely proportional to the major stock markets - you can see it clearly when there was a big dip in 2012, the imprisoned journalist count went up

although that fails in the last 2 years... 😛

I don't see why it wouldn't be directly linked at face value

Who drives the people that drive the stock value that drives the money that drives the law that drives the media (and repeat)

yeah I suppose.... as they say... follow the money

is it me or is calling someone "right-wing" to "defame" them a weird concept... considering we live in capitalist societies where the majority actually vote right wing

I think that's the focus of a video Tim is doing, everything is so extremely left that even Tim thinks he is center, to put it in perspective I think Tim is left AF, which he is, he is a liberal, but he isn't drastically left, nor retarded left

Anything that isn't SJW is an insult in media, so to them Tim is a conservative alt right

ok but just to be clear, saying he is left... and saying he is liberal, are 2 different things

Which makes me satan himself lol

like you can be right and liberal... and you can be left and authoritarian

It shouldn't though, left and right is where peeps physically sit in parliament, Tim would sit on the left of the room and argue with me on the right

the founders of the US were right wing liberals

left and right are just opinions on what would be the best system to run a society economically

they wanted individual rights - and the rights to own property

the other axis is Authoritarian - Liberal, which is a system on how to best run a society socially

@wacka I grew up in a part of the country where it was totally normalised to think of "the right" as a thing that doesn't exist except in backwards, incredibly low intelligence places where everyone has a thick accent.

Nobody was contrarian to this in the classroom and nobody really brought it up as a concept.

If that's all you're exposed to and there's no contrarian opinion or really anything, it's totally normal to think that if you've never been exposed to it.

were you raised in eurasia?

I wasn't even exposed to THAT,

To me, Left was caring about society, and Right was caring about the economy

boy was i wrongly informed

I'm close enough to chicago where I'm impacted by all of their bullshit laws, if that tells you anything.

😬 🔫

Yeah, from what I recall of my education, there wasn't any deep philosophical discussions or attempts at explaining anything relating to political parties or anything.

"This is the system. This is how the system works. Here's a very condensed, ultra-simplified version of American history."

So from what I remember it was less "the left cares about society and the right cares about the economy" and more "the left cares about society, the left also cares about the economy, and we're not going to say it outright but we can imply that because we, the left, are the good guys, then.. *they're* the bad guys."

yeah, so basically "left = good, right = bad" mentality

It wasn't until I was in high school with a very unorthodox teacher (at times) that I was even introduced to the concept that it's not automatically a good thing that a) everyone thinks the same way or b) that everyone is on the left.

Also, coincidentally, my first experience with one of those political spectrum tests.

Of which, I, and pretty much everyone in the class ended up left/lib, roughly 2/3rds closer to the middle than the outer edge.

There's a reason why this conditioning is so damn difficult to break I imagine.

It's the same shit that happens to kids born into ultra religious families.

the trick, is getting a hot chick to explain right-wing politics, trust me 😛 it will all make sense

Hah.

i imagine you probably get a skewed american history lesson about republicans too

like did they even mention how the KKK assassinated hundreds of white republicans for their views? or that it was a republican that wrote the 13th amendment?

Im not saying theyre the same party as they were then...

It's honestly all a blur. The most I remember is that because of the string of constant moves I basically ended up relearning the exact same stuff over and over again in slightly greater detail each time.

I remember that they taught us that the cause of the civil war was primarily because of slavery and that abraham lincoln was the president ultimately involved in freeing them.

Though I don't recall them mentioning his political affiliation or anything.

nor his skin color 🤔

Wasn't Lincoln what we'd consider today as fairly right?

Well, he was a republican.

thats another thing that kind of annoys me about the alt right.... when they say crap like "white people ended slavery" its like... no.. not really... it was British and Americans... not "white people"

Well that's just identity politics in a nutshell, right?

Alt right kinda started up *because* of identity politics of the left.

well, at the time, 90% of brits and americans WERE white, so its kind of semantics,
but then again, if it were up to the alt-right, white people invented the human race

and from the other side "white people started slavery" ... like... white people didnt even EXIST when slavery started 😛

So if you define everything by identity, they were right. Whether or not that truly matters in the grand scheme of things is another thing entirely.

>conveniently forgetting it was a slave **trade**

how about all fucks of the western world forgot that "Slavery" was coined based on the White "SLAVS" of eastern europe

`blyat`

cyka

jokes aside 😛 its literally where the word came from

`Just another non-issue.`

so black people aren't even allowed to use the slavery card!

yeah but thats just a language thing

its us Slavs who were the first to be enslaved! 😛

its not called Enblackment! 😛

Don't give them ideas.

haha

i think america could be more inclusive if they got rid of the term "african american" ... i think the US is the only country in the world that does that

well duh, you're not gonna make much sense if you call a black guy in Europe an "african American"

Don't people already do that?

Also the term itself is kind of.. hilarious.

like in britain ... if you are black... youre just british

in Britain you're either a black guy, or a black british guy

Consider, I dunno. Jamaicans or something.

But then again.

"African american" is still considered politically correct so people'll continue to use it.

It's either that or "pee oh see" these days.

another thing... to say black panther is a "black movie"... I would say its an "african movie" .. I would say culturally a white person growing up in Africa - is more african than a black man raised in the US (culturally speaking)

black movie? try gay movie 😛

you could say "but my heritage is african" ... but so is everyones 😛

although apparently thats become more complicated recently with new findings

PoC feels like a fancy way of saying "colored person"

It really is.

Segregation is racist, unless we do it.

PoC feels like something a racist would say

But it's to hold non-white people to a higher regard. So it's not racist. Clearly.

Oh wait... it is.

I think context matters

Racism is racism.

In either direction.

People of color, is to Colored people,

How "Jerome, please Paint", is to "Black paint" 😂

Its there to lump people together because of their race. There is no more context needed to make it racist.

And black panther is a mid to upper tier marvel movie with bad special effects. Nothing more, nothing less.

just lumping people together because of race is not racist on its own... biologists do it.. doctors do it... but to imply some sort of superiority makes it racist

I haven't watched it but I watched an analysis of it breaking down how drunk the story is.

I can ignore bad effects. Story with plot holes the size of the moon, ehhhhh.

Doctors do not lump people together because of their race. They group them in „risk-groups“ that just so happen to be devided by race.

White people are more likely to develop osteoporosis, etc etc.

Though I've been listening to a lot of voices on the whole "racism" debate.

Including a black dude who says racism is "okay" as long as you aren't being a piece of shit with it.

Racism is ok, as long as you live in a meritocracy

Depends on definitions i guess... i don‘t believe that you can really choose if you are racist or not (just like you do not conciously decide if you like cats or dogs) but you can decide how you deal with it if you are.

Racism becomes a non-factor

To a degree.

In terms of.

Change my mind =p

Basically, at the end of the day. Everyone is at least a little bit racist. And that's honestly okay.

That's the message I got from the black guy I watched talking about this stuff.

Without it, you'd end up just being blind / stupid.

I would love to do a change my mind with crowder on gun control... his arguments are so bad 😁

It's the same argument you can apply to everything.

racism has just gotten a lot of bad rep imo,

All them asian wamen who prefer rich white dudes, thats racism too, buy who's gonna call it bad, amirite? 😎

I prefer to say racism doesn't exist, than debate the definition where in the end it means "people are different". Which we already know

I see.

I dunno. Crowder's a good guy / is entertaining. The quality of his reporting is.. mixed.

I still remember that one debate he had with the pro-socialist college kid a while back. That went so well I couldn't bring myself to watch the rest of the video.

I did not say that he is not entertaining 😁

I prefer Crowder's reporting to Tim's tbh

He is biased, but you know where he stands

He's biased but it's okay. He's *trying* to be honest at the very least.

Same for Tim?

Everyone's biased, Tim's less so than crowder.

By a fair margin.

Crowder is good if you want pro-right wing, Tim pool just tells the story in context and lets you decide