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it can go in any direction
it doesnt matter
It's sounds like they hate their own race right. I just love my own race more than other races I don't hate any other races so again tell me who I am hateful and more racist then these people?
what do you mean by that
how does it feel to be a school shooter :^)
You used the word people to so I don't know much about them more then that they are black and that they hate themsleves so what am I supposed to call them?
at no point did i say they hated themselves
A distrust of people with outgroup phenotypes IS actually something hardwired into the human psyche, I can grant that.
i said they were racist againt black people
That's what racist means.
What is so wrong with White people wanting to be left alone, Ping?
Nothing wrong with that.
The line gets crossed when you start trying to demand others leave.
That is what we want. We want our own countires for oursleves.
Then buy a damned island.
Why can't we have the west?
Because the majority of the white people in the west
think that what you're suggesting
Because in order for you to get what you want
Becasue they have been brainwashed to hate themsleves.
No, that's bullshit.
You're the one acting like a god-damned cultist, m8.
You've taken that outgroup distrust, that holdover from tribal days
Pretty much the only way to get what you want is for some kind of genocide to happen. People won’t leave willingly and they will use violence to stay.
and you've built a god damned church out of it.
is a left wing rag
Yes it's white people who hate themsleves right?
@RyeNorth - The goal of White Nationalists is to convince as many White people as possible to share in this preference, because of how it will benefit them and their children. If you think it is presently a military or economic possibility that any small group of White Nationalists could peacefully secede, then you are not arguing in good faith.
Violence is inevitable, I fear.
There's going to be violence if we don't have white areas for oursleves.
Whether the alt right/'whites' actually get their ethnostate, or they passively allow themselves to be outbred until they become a minority in their own country, which is particularly destructive when islam is involved.
Violence is going to happen, either way.
@GS most white people don't give a shit and don't want a white ethno state
i'm fine if white nationalists made their own nation
Becasue they hate themsleves becasue of propergand.
And no, they don't 'hate themselves'
What do yo think the artical I shared with you is?
A left wing rag.
We've been over that
Writen by a white person who hates their race.
Oh, sure, absolutely.
So, there isn't a massive media and social left wing anti-white campaign going on right now?
But you're talking like they're the majority
Meanwhile, Donald Trump got the majority of white women to vote for him.
@GS wdym they won't be white people for much longer? there are still plenty of cities that are 90+% white, white people are never going away
Do you people consider yourselves left-wing?
I'm a national tardist
Actually, for the most part, I do. Well, center left, not really "left wing" per se.
I don’t hate my race but personally I’d like to be defined by more than the color of my skin. Individual merit > race.
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@ping London is almost majorty non white now the large cities are becoming non white in western countires.
I would too.
And which of you are White/European?
who cares about london
Because if you are not White then you really have no business speaking of how Whites conduct themselves.
London is the largest city in the UK.
Isn't that what BLM says to white people about black people?
@Deleted User Nobody here will argue in favor of mass immigration I don't think.
Even if you don't white people will still be a minority in their own countires. If the current trends keep going on.
europe is too small and dense for you to achieve isolation
countries are constantly giving visas to people in high demand fields
I don't want Isolation I want white countires for white people.
then make one
start in your backyard
My particular issue is with islam in specific, and this question is never answered, but I will pose it again.
What do you think will happen when muslims become the majority in western countries?
You are speaking of the status quo like it is not what we are aiming to change in the first place.
not enough white people actually want to make a country just for white people
@GS As someone pale as the damn moon outside my window, I have the right, by your standards, to tell you that if 'white people' are going to dictate to 'black people' that they have to leave the US or face extermination, then how 'white people' conduct themselves absolutely concerns everyone.
Becasue our opions are cenored so people don't get to hear them.
white people eradicated slavery
What you said does not make sense.
what's preventing white people from undermining your white ethnostate
Your opinions shouldn't be censored, I agree there, aussie.
minority opinions will always be censored to a degree
but i have to admit the white nationalists /alt-right are explicitly censored
I think we should do what Isreal is doing.
like i don't know any progressives that can articulate even close to the same ideas you are
What right do non whites have to stay in our countires?
I'm not a big fan of the alt right in a lot of ways, but I have to admit that the "make your own ethnostate" argument is just utter nonsense. How? Where? Aside from maybe a couple of islands out in the middle of nowhere, what landmass is there left unclaimed?
and even if you did
massive upfront cost
even if you got money
It's just not possible by any measure.
how are you going to compete with the asians and indians that are hard working
indians are technically asian
Unless you're talking about Mars. <:Kappa:327142715592540171>
We can get them to leave with a passport buyback scheme.
just by implementing a white ethnostate
you lose out on an insane number of doctors
Can you at least come up with a word that isn't "scheme." lol
Passport buyback scam?
and a good chunk of the computer science field
Why should white countires have non white doctors when whites can have good doctors.
It isn't "scheme" :kappa:
Well, technically speaking, 'scheme' is the correct term I suppose.
because whites aren't good doctors lmfao
(using your own collectivist logic sparingly)
I haven't heard that one before.
Which race made most of the medical advancements again it wasn't asians.
i mean that doesn't matter
The thing is white countires can give incentives to non white to leave and have a white only immigration policy.
if you only cared about the top end research then we should all just make a jewstate
what matters is getting people that are competent at their job
It sounds fine, and optimistically speaking, I'm sure many would take the incentives, but not even close to all of them. I don't think it would only be a "small minority" that wouldn't leave, either.
Aussie, again, you're arguing this from a different entry point
What do you do then?
There is a jews state there are black states, there are asian states but there are no states for whites to go to are there?
When all you're considering is race
you forget the obvious answer
glaring right back at you
If you want to argue that Western culture is superior
Yes whites have enough problems so why bring in non whites to to case more problems?
cause more problems*
Ireland for exsample. North and south.
"there are no states for whites to go" Iceland?
Ping, as far as europe goes, there's a point for identitarian movements.
Actually, Iceland has an extremely strict immigration policy. It's almost impossible for anyone to get in.
They're absolutely inundated with mass immigration, the death sentence of culture.
For now what about when they start becoming multicultural like other white countires?
i mean i don't agree with mass immigration but identitarians aren't the solution
You're using SJW language, aussie.
just stop mass immigration and mitigate the damage it has caused
Then what is? just let your people die out.
Multiculturalism isn't the problem. Importing culture is.
Having several layers of culture underneath one overarching one
that's not a problem AT ALL
Multiracialism is the bigger problem.
@RyeNorth It isn' teven importing culture that's the problem. That can be healthy in small doses. The problem in Europe is that they're overdosing on importing culture, to the point where their own culture is being shunted out.
Except when the overarching/predominant one isn't being respected.
Multiracialism isn't a problem at all
And even then, not all cultures are equal. There is a difference between getting millions of migrants from, say, Chaina, and then getting millions of migrants from the middle east.
Do you have race riots in Japan?
The problem is when other races aren't incentivized to partake of the host culture
And what do you do with people that refuse to partake?
Through controls on actual LEGAL immigration
What's to stop the legal immigrants from cheating on a test?
One of the fastest ways to integrate people into an existing culture is to get them out of the house. This means getting them to work instead of just giving them welfare.
^ ^ ^ this, Revan.
I'm liking your points.
What do you do with the people alread here?
Let's take the US for instance
Ideally, we'd return anyone who is here illegally.
I'm in favor of a decaying welfare system, where the longer you spend not working, the lower your welfare payments get. Unfortunately, that's complicated, and most governments wouldn't go for it even though it would mean massive cost savings.
Ah, but people don't like the optics involved with removing millions of illegal immigrants and dragging them away back to their countries.
I sure as hell wouldn't suggest that we rewrite the legality of who can be here and who can't, based on racial divide.
If you ended the welfare state alot of people will go back home right.
'go back home'.
I think that would be the best answer, yeah.
To the middle east, africa, ect.
A lot of illegals seem to be here because they can get free money from the welfare system, from what I've read online
For those who are here illegally, that is.
Basically we all agree on most of it just not the end goal.
The fastest way to get rid of the ones that don't truly want to be here would be to cut off their welfare checks
I know that, revan
He's suggesting that black people would 'go back' to africa if we cut welfare.
They would get jobs not go to Africa.
No, that wouldn't work. Most of them can't afford to get to Africa
Alot of blacks will yes.
that's fucking stupid
Nah I don’t see it happening.
You're a bit more optimistic about that than I would be. lol
The problem with poverty is when you become comfortable in it
With Europe alot of the so called asslym seekers are justing going there for money.
Oh absolutely, Aussie
Or dependent on the welfare state because you're a single parent.
but you're talking about two different things.
The blacks in the United States
have generations going back as far as the whites in the united states often times
There’s a difference between asylum seekers and black Americans who were born in the US along with their parents and grandparents.
Yeah, most of the black people in the U.S. are descended from the slaves that were brought in
poor blacks in the US would go to canada or mexico lmfao
or just you know
Yes some blacks in America will need other incentives to leave.
we could not waste time making an ethnostate
Many blacks have as much as about a 25% European background?
They won’t leave.
In the US.
If we gave them a reason to they would.
If you told me you were going to be trading out our current Welfare system in such a way that it promotes the nuclear family in the black community
I'd be all for that
At some point you will be forced to purge people to get an ethnostate. Most people don’t leave without a fight.
If you told me you were going to extract all black people and drop them in a third world country to fend for themselves
I'd take arms.
But you wouldn't be sloving the problem. The problem is non whites are in white countires.
@RyeNorth I think maybe that, mixed with a "We will pay for you to move to Africa if you believe you would prefer it there" on the condition that they can't re-immigrate to the U.S., for those who just don't want to bother with the nuclear family.
I'd be leery about that, even.
until you realize a lot of non white people are patriotic too and wouldn't leave their home for a million dollars
If a private company made the offer, I'd be more okay with it, kinda
It's not a perfect idea, but there are some black people who honestly think they would be better off in Africa
Why can't whites have their own countries? Give me a reason.
how much fucking money do you have
go move to iceland
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@Deleted User not saying they can’t but the US is not the place to do it.
^ ^ ^
Then why are you trying to make white countires non white?
Poland should keep up the good fight
we're all fucking rooting for them
There's very nearly a small white ethnostate in the far Northeast corner of the U.S.
Maine is 94% white
Why are you rooting for Poland?
Moral or not it’s completely unrealistic.
Because they're defending their borders.
allowing multiple races into a country doesn't mean i don't think a white nation should exist
Why can't America be American?
American =/= white.
Poland knows better than most European countries the value of well-defended and enforced borders
yes Americans are white.