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2018-11-05 11:35:53 UTC

wow, tucker gets really loud

2018-11-05 11:36:02 UTC

he just kind of bursts out sometimes

2018-11-05 11:36:06 UTC

dang, my ear drums

2018-11-05 11:36:20 UTC

he did the same thing when being interviewed by Dave Rubin

2018-11-05 11:45:41 UTC

I like how he rekt Ben

2018-11-05 11:46:24 UTC

and somehow Ben doesn't look that good

2018-11-05 11:46:37 UTC

Seen the threesome on Rubin?

2018-11-05 11:46:41 UTC

Ben, Jordan and Eric?

2018-11-05 11:54:04 UTC

Ben is kind of bland.

2018-11-05 14:52:31 UTC

propaganda

2018-11-05 15:07:45 UTC

<:TimThink:482277772497125378>

2018-11-05 15:09:52 UTC

so wait are we not losing anymore because the dems are cheating

2018-11-05 15:32:14 UTC

clearly this is the russians <:NPC:500042527231967262>

2018-11-05 15:33:10 UTC

"Republicans are rigging the election!" *while democrats are getting dead people to vote, getting non-citizens to vote, and now trying to literally hack the election*

2018-11-05 16:15:58 UTC

@Timcast This is in the description of the Bannon Frum debate.
``` Note: Due to a technical error, the Munk Debates announced incorrect voting results at the conclusion of the event. The final official audience vote on the resolution was 28% in favour and 72% opposed. The Munk Debates have announced that the debate ended in a draw and apologized for the error. ```

2018-11-05 16:16:27 UTC

Lol

2018-11-05 16:40:54 UTC

that reeks of damage control

2018-11-05 17:07:23 UTC

Lol

2018-11-05 17:07:34 UTC

Ministry of truth in full swing

2018-11-05 17:08:27 UTC

Also tempted to say this is fake news given that they try to link trump to anti-government groups which you know, makes sensr

2018-11-05 17:12:22 UTC

A lot of Republicans seem confident they're going to have a "red wave" but I don't think so, I think it'll be close between parties.

2018-11-05 17:20:07 UTC

It's gonna be close

2018-11-05 17:36:33 UTC

https://epik.com/blog/why-epik-welcomed-gab-com.html it's nice to see there are still companies that value freedom of speech (like epik).

2018-11-05 18:39:35 UTC

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/11/05/uc-davis-holding-eight-faculty-searches-focused-candidates-contributions-diversity
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Davis is funding the program with some $422,000 of a $7 million University of California System-wide investment in faculty diversity, in addition to existing campus funds.
...
The idea is that a diverse search will lead to a diverse candidate pool. Instead of a focusing on a particular disciplinary expertise, search teams will look for candidates with proven commitments to diversity, equity and inclusion among underrepresented groups, namely black, Latino, Chicano and Native American applicants.
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Participating programs are the Colleges of Agricultural and Environmental Sciences, Biological Sciences, and Engineering, along with the Graduate School of Management and the Schools of Education, Law, Medicine and Veterinary Medicine.
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Search committees will soon be formed, with the goal of hiring these new professors by July. Davis will pay up to $85,000 toward the salary of each hire. Individual schools or colleges will be responsible for pay above that, and the professorsโ€™ entire salaries after five years
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While the open-search approach isn't appropriate for all searches at all schools, Kass said, โ€œwe do want to see if it can augment these other processes to accelerate the diversification of our faculty.โ€ Beyond that, he said, โ€œfaculty may be hired in disciplines that departments had not contemplated but now want.โ€
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In other words, instead of hiring faculty based on the needs of a department to cover a research or teaching need, they'll now look for people with diversity qualifications first and foremost. Literally, the needs of diversity trump the needs of the institution to cover important areas in disciplines like Biology, Engineering, Management, Medicine, Education and Law

2018-11-05 19:33:06 UTC

Perhaps they can hire based on diversity of ideas next

2018-11-05 20:05:34 UTC

Nazi.

2018-11-05 20:05:40 UTC

\s

2018-11-05 20:19:39 UTC

Press F for education.

2018-11-05 20:23:35 UTC

Show your work for full marks

2018-11-05 20:52:16 UTC

When I was at UC Davis it wasn't that bad, but Davis is a lot different than most of California.

2018-11-05 20:52:32 UTC

It's out in the boonies.

2018-11-05 20:54:06 UTC

Sacramento wants to be part of the bay area, but really it's just cheep place for people to stay when they want to go to Tahoe or Reno.

2018-11-06 00:54:12 UTC

@Timcast have you seen this?

2018-11-06 05:32:48 UTC

"NASAโ€‹ said earlier this year observations from their Hubble Space Telescope confirmed the object had an โ€œunexpected boost in speed and shift in trajectory as it passes through the inner solar systemโ€.

Scientists have now concluded that the asteroid โ€œmight be a lightsail of artificial originโ€ using solar radiation to propel itself forward."
https://www.universetoday.com/140391/could-oumuamua-be-an-extra-terrestrial-solar-sail/

2018-11-06 05:32:49 UTC

bros

2018-11-06 06:13:54 UTC

we're gonna explode into particles

2018-11-06 12:27:34 UTC

I know itโ€™s late... but the title is perfection. The actual article however, complete garbage. Typical guardian crap and could have been written in a non partisan way alas... here it is anyway

2018-11-06 13:09:41 UTC

oh the Trump season of AMS wasn't woke as fuck?

2018-11-06 13:09:44 UTC

that is a surprise

2018-11-06 13:51:10 UTC

@ryuplaneswalker the cult season had so much potential. Cults are fucking scary. Instead they Injected their utter bullshit straight into it like Trump being elected was scarier than... DPRK, Maoist China, any of the various pseudo religious cults within America or other countries. There was so much potential

2018-11-06 13:52:45 UTC

Itโ€™s so cringe and utterly pathetic but when itโ€™s not the political parts of it (which are so incredibly forced itโ€™s unbearable) the shows actually alright. Itโ€™s unfortunate because I donโ€™t actually like Trump but Iโ€™m not a zealot and the partisan politics shits me

2018-11-06 15:25:00 UTC

Christ, this cringe bullshit is even praising the SCUM manifesto and the psycho that wrote it... fuck me dead

2018-11-06 16:10:18 UTC

jesus fucking christ

2018-11-06 16:10:31 UTC

the left has become a bunch of pathetic weaklings

2018-11-06 16:11:07 UTC

TIM IS ABLEIST AGAINST PEOPLE WITH PTSD CONFIRMED

2018-11-06 16:11:09 UTC

<:NPC:500042527231967262>

2018-11-06 16:14:37 UTC

yuri bezmenov explains it in detail how thats by the desing of eduacional system.

2018-11-06 16:24:23 UTC

TDS is real

2018-11-06 16:25:02 UTC

first trump was meme'd into presidency, now TDS was meme'd into an actual condition

2018-11-06 16:28:51 UTC

Well, I will say I'm still dealing with the trauma of the 2016 election although I've been violently assaulted on a city street by six men and I have treated veterans so I'm not going to dignify TDS as anything on par with real violent trauma.

2018-11-06 16:29:51 UTC

Wut?

2018-11-06 16:30:20 UTC

That said, my rape didn't drive me to drink but Trump most certainly has. Then again, I was 18 years old when I was assaulted and was too much of a goody two shoes to break the law by drinking. Now I'm in my late 40's so bottoms up! ๐Ÿบ

2018-11-06 16:35:05 UTC

has trump been everything you feared?

2018-11-06 16:36:16 UTC

Hahahahaha

2018-11-06 16:36:34 UTC

I can't tell if anything is satire or not anymore.

2018-11-06 16:37:03 UTC

Being an autistic sperg that doesn't understand sarcasm well also doesn't help.

2018-11-06 16:40:32 UTC

I am not being sarcastic if that helps. I always will place a "/s" tag when I am being sarcastic.

2018-11-06 16:41:04 UTC

I rarely lie and am old enough that 100% authenticity is my best MO

2018-11-06 16:41:16 UTC

As far as Trump, yes and no, Grenade

2018-11-06 16:42:00 UTC

Oh shit...

2018-11-06 16:46:02 UTC

let me guess, he acts exactly how you expected, but has not done everything you feared he would do.

2018-11-06 16:46:30 UTC

I thought Trump might actually be a real populist, but he hasn't been. He had some amazing opportunities to stand up for people but instead spent his energies trying to erase that Obama was ever president.

2018-11-06 16:46:42 UTC

For example, health care

2018-11-06 16:46:47 UTC

And net neutrality

2018-11-06 16:47:12 UTC

His domestic reflex seems to be to do the exact opposite of Obama, even when Obama was doing the populist thing

2018-11-06 16:47:24 UTC

Consumer protections

2018-11-06 16:47:40 UTC

All populist things that Trump has stood against because Obama was for them.

2018-11-06 16:47:47 UTC

So that has been a disappointment.

2018-11-06 16:47:55 UTC

As far as the rest, it's been as expected.

2018-11-06 16:48:23 UTC

Filling the courts the Federalist Society picks. Railing against immigration. Trade war. Acting like a bully on the world stage.

2018-11-06 16:49:05 UTC

eeh, NN and Obama care were not popular, not by a long shot. They were pretty split

2018-11-06 16:49:15 UTC

I thought he might actually be an ally to GLBT but he's tended against them but so far it hasn't been catastrophic, just enough red meat to keep the fundies happy.

2018-11-06 16:49:33 UTC

I think the trouble is: what's populism when large segments of the population have opposing views?

2018-11-06 16:49:39 UTC

^

2018-11-06 16:49:42 UTC

everything

2018-11-06 16:49:44 UTC

so nothing really

2018-11-06 16:50:08 UTC

I thought the idea that we didn't want corporations to control what we see and don;t see was pretty popular

2018-11-06 16:50:37 UTC

Sure, but that doesn't mean everyone has the same idea about how to address it

2018-11-06 16:50:50 UTC

And I think about 2/3 of the electorate believes the gov't has a role in ensuring people have access to health insurance that isn't not prejudiced based on preexisting conditions.

2018-11-06 16:51:08 UTC

since when has the electorate actually represented the people of the US tbh

2018-11-06 16:51:22 UTC

Not necessarily the Republican system that is the ACA, but those protections, yes

2018-11-06 16:51:29 UTC

they vote whatever the people paying the most want

2018-11-06 16:51:34 UTC

which was the problem with NN

2018-11-06 16:51:49 UTC

it was big business vs big business

2018-11-06 16:51:49 UTC

Obamacare = RomneyCare = Republican response to Hillarycare

2018-11-06 16:52:13 UTC

The ACA is a republican think tank developed system

2018-11-06 16:52:35 UTC

The Republicans only hate it now because the Dems co-opted it

2018-11-06 16:53:03 UTC

or because it was as shit as people were saying it would be, and just us the dems as an excuse to hide their failure

2018-11-06 16:53:34 UTC

everyone wants cheaper healthcare, and all the system proposed by both parties would not do that

2018-11-06 16:53:38 UTC

but they were pressured for something

2018-11-06 16:53:49 UTC

hell, even look at what happened when they tried to pass the replacement

2018-11-06 16:53:49 UTC

Actually, I think it has worked remarkably well. The serious flaw was ending assistance at too low an income level.

2018-11-06 16:54:14 UTC

it fined people for not having enough money to afford the now higher premiums

2018-11-06 16:54:21 UTC

how on earth was that working well?

2018-11-06 16:54:26 UTC

The basis of the ACA is to limit individual health care spending to 10% of income on an actuarial basis

2018-11-06 16:55:18 UTC

But the tax credits to help make that happen stop too low so the middle class get hit will much larger costs.

2018-11-06 16:55:46 UTC

The tax credits should continue to about twice the income they do now.

2018-11-06 16:56:48 UTC

why are we even encouraging the system? Healthy people get robbed while sickly people get shafted, and the solutions are make more healthy and sick people get fucked by a third party or turn every hospital into the VA.

2018-11-06 16:57:19 UTC

The fines were meant to keep people in the system so they did not join only when they got sick. You cannot make an insurance model work when people can wait to buy insurance only when they actually need it. Imagine being able to buy homeowner insurance when your house is on fire.

2018-11-06 16:57:57 UTC

you know how you fix that without fining poor people? a waiting period for coverage to start

2018-11-06 16:58:12 UTC

Why? Because when people get sick they want to be cared for. This whole ACA happened because the system before it wasn't working for a lot of people.

2018-11-06 16:58:32 UTC

Grenade, yes and no. Who pays when they have to wait?

2018-11-06 16:59:58 UTC

They do. Which is what charity is for and should be encouraged to do. IF they couldn't afford insurance before, they can't afford it now. And fining people already too poor to pay only takes food out of their mouth.

2018-11-06 17:00:28 UTC

the solution for a person too poor to pay was making them pay or make them pay when they can't. and you are asking how will they pay.

2018-11-06 17:00:56 UTC

Okay, let's look at a real example. Someone has a heart attack and their open heart surgery and associated care results in a $100,000 bill. Who pays it is the people eschewed insurance?

2018-11-06 17:01:35 UTC

My ultimate point will be are we willing to let people die because they went uninsured and cannot pay?

2018-11-06 17:02:07 UTC

technically they can go in and get treatment if they are dying already.

2018-11-06 17:02:20 UTC

correct me if i am wrong, but it is illegal to refuse them treatment is it not?

2018-11-06 17:03:01 UTC

but that's besides the point. Who gets to choose who dies when there is not enough resources to go around?

2018-11-06 17:03:11 UTC

Yes, it is - for hospitals only. But that's my point. If people don't have insurance and come to the hospitals how do hospitals stay in business?

2018-11-06 17:04:00 UTC

Imagine an airline surviving if people could just say, "Sorry, can't pay. I'll take the 6am flight to Las Vegas, please. Put it on my tab."

2018-11-06 17:04:30 UTC

how do they stay in business. good question. but shifting the burden onto insurance companies only kicks the can down the road

2018-11-06 17:04:37 UTC

Eventually our charity will put us out of business.

2018-11-06 17:04:55 UTC

Hence the challenge to society

2018-11-06 17:05:00 UTC

i don't believe we lack enough caring people to cover all medical bills for those who really need it. I do believe we have a lack of ability to connect people with money to people in need.

2018-11-06 17:05:33 UTC

We need to decide will we permit people to die of perfectly treatable conditions, or will society take the cost of providing care.

2018-11-06 17:06:23 UTC

you know who is really bad at finding all the people in need? the federal government. You know who wastes a lot of money on shit it shouldn't? the federal government. You know who doesn't really care about people? Insurance companies. You know, ironically enough, has a better track record with all this stuff? The church. Community centers, charities.

2018-11-06 17:06:46 UTC

Also, people who neglect routine care because they can't afford it are more likely to end up needing catastrophic care later. It's very expensive to treat people only when it's a crisis.

2018-11-06 17:06:58 UTC

and you know what is great? when these places get too big and wasteful? we get to defund them so more money gets to the people in need, and not to people acting like an insurance company.

2018-11-06 17:07:18 UTC

because i don't know about you, i don't like a charity where the CEO gets like 200k or more a year.

2018-11-06 17:07:30 UTC

Sounds great but tell that to all the communities that are losing their hospitals these days

2018-11-06 17:08:20 UTC

hmmm, and have we looked into why?

2018-11-06 17:08:39 UTC

Why take the price of healthcare for granted?

2018-11-06 17:08:41 UTC

why is it so expensive?

2018-11-06 17:08:48 UTC

That's one of the main issues I have with these approaches

2018-11-06 17:09:14 UTC

throwing money at the problem without figuring out why its bleeding money in the first place sounds like a great way to waste resources and still ahve people dying

2018-11-06 17:09:23 UTC

Anyway, I gotta go or risk being in contempt of court. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-11-06 17:09:25 UTC

emotion gets you killed

2018-11-06 17:09:29 UTC

I understand the sympathetic impulse to do what you can meantime, but that's likely to make things worse in the long run

2018-11-06 17:09:49 UTC

panic is an emotion. panic in any left threatening situation gets you killed.

2018-11-06 17:09:58 UTC

Since it also disincentivizes attacking the root problem

2018-11-06 17:10:11 UTC

people die, people will die, the question is not how do we stop them dying, its how do we get less people to die.

2018-11-06 17:10:24 UTC

IMO a good look needs to be taken as to why healthcare is like it is

2018-11-06 17:10:37 UTC

Why does it have this unique insurance model that doesn't correspond to anything else?

2018-11-06 17:10:40 UTC

And who chooses if they die. i'd rather let nature choose who dies, than the government

2018-11-06 17:11:11 UTC

i'd rather let bad life choices like smoking, decide who dies than a health insurance company

2018-11-06 17:11:48 UTC

I think there would still be room for health insurance

2018-11-06 17:11:52 UTC

Like car insurance

2018-11-06 17:11:56 UTC

pretty sure hospitals have to pay insurance too to stay in business.

2018-11-06 17:12:05 UTC

But it wouldn't cover the equivalent of looking at some bad brakes

2018-11-06 17:12:06 UTC

perhaps that is too expensive

2018-11-06 17:13:00 UTC

It's always worth pointing out that the known alternatives don't really mean "substantially fewer people die due to refused treatment"

2018-11-06 17:13:16 UTC

It's "some people now die instead due to waiting for treatment"

2018-11-06 17:13:37 UTC

It's possible that there would be enough "slack" in a given healthcare system to accomodate.

2018-11-06 17:14:00 UTC

But I'm pretty sure part of the contention about the US one is precisely that it's sort of strained already

2018-11-06 17:15:36 UTC

why do skinny people get punished for the decision of overweight people not to exercise. I need to pay for their healthcare? fucking why? There are legit medical problems that lead to issues with weight, but i doubt the US has such a problem with genetics that we have our overweight problem

2018-11-06 17:16:11 UTC

emotion says help them. If you want to, you can. but no one should be forced to.

2018-11-06 17:17:22 UTC

because lets face it, if someone has to have several procedures done because they sit around all day and eat, and never change. At some point most people will stop offering help and let them succumb to their fate.

2018-11-06 17:17:32 UTC

i do not feel bad for people who smoke then get lung cancer.

2018-11-06 17:17:45 UTC

it is a sad day when they die but that was their choice

2018-11-06 17:17:54 UTC

i should not be forced to pay for that

2018-11-06 17:18:19 UTC

So, to play devil's advocate

2018-11-06 17:18:30 UTC

That's certainly the best case for your position

2018-11-06 17:18:43 UTC

But what about the people who are not at fault?

2018-11-06 17:18:58 UTC

Like, someone set fire to their house and they got caught in it or something

2018-11-06 17:19:28 UTC

i would offer to help them. but i would resent them if i was forced to help

2018-11-06 17:19:54 UTC

that resentment grows the less i have, therefore the more precious my time and labor become

2018-11-06 17:20:11 UTC

because at a certain point, helping them means i now am in trouble

2018-11-06 17:20:29 UTC

What if forcing everyone to pitch in a tiny amount helped them?

2018-11-06 17:20:38 UTC

Let's say your lone contribution wouldn't

2018-11-06 17:20:50 UTC

what is tiny?

2018-11-06 17:21:02 UTC

Well, to keep things in context

2018-11-06 17:21:02 UTC

tiny to one person is massive to another

2018-11-06 17:21:10 UTC

Let's say you could cap it at 10% of everyone's income

2018-11-06 17:21:51 UTC

And if you're concerned about the ability of the poor to pay, let's say they get a reduced amount, compensated by the corresponding wealthiest

2018-11-06 17:22:00 UTC

then suddenly everyone else would need to pay another percent to give some of those people that 10% back, because some people need that 10%.

2018-11-06 17:22:16 UTC

so now really you are taking 11% from perhaps even most of everyone

2018-11-06 17:22:35 UTC

I don't follow

2018-11-06 17:22:46 UTC

Why would you need that extra 1%?

2018-11-06 17:22:46 UTC

but now what happens when say a natural disaster happens? and its not 1 person, its half the population of an area?

2018-11-06 17:23:59 UTC

I'm not sure that's a good counterpoint

2018-11-06 17:24:04 UTC

That's an issue in any scheme

2018-11-06 17:24:27 UTC

There are rules doctors follow about how to handle this that _do_ involve choosing who gets help and who doesn't

2018-11-06 17:24:55 UTC

I'm not sure that it either strengthens or weakens the case for federal intervention

2018-11-06 17:25:10 UTC

1 person has 10 resources, 1 has 100, 1 has 1000, the last has 0 now. You need 10 resources to live. You take 10% from everyone and give it to the last person, great.
now you have 9, 90, 900, and 111. But you need 10 to live. So either you have 10, 89.5, 899.5, and 111. or that first person doesn't give 10% so you have 10, 90, 900, 110.

2018-11-06 17:25:25 UTC

it makes no sense to take 10%

2018-11-06 17:25:29 UTC

from everyone else

2018-11-06 17:26:35 UTC

Sure--so anyone who has 10 pays nothing, and their 1 is covered by the guy with 1000

2018-11-06 17:28:51 UTC

but now say something happens, and the economy is bad. So you have 8, 10, 100 and 0.

can't take from 8 or 10. now only 100 can lose 10%. which they still are okay. so now its 8, 10, 90, 10.
but wait, 8 has less than it needs to live, lets take more... can't take from 8, can;t take from 10, can take from 90, can't take from 10. So now its 10, 10, 85, and 10

2018-11-06 17:29:25 UTC

now lets say, through no fault of their own, that last guy is back to 0 again because of something chronic.

2018-11-06 17:29:36 UTC

to we just keep taking by force from the guy who had 100?

2018-11-06 17:29:58 UTC

what happens if we can't get back to 100 faster than the last guy keeps going back to 0?

2018-11-06 17:30:11 UTC

what happens if 100 guy suffers and drops down to 15? now we have a problem

2018-11-06 17:30:32 UTC

Force currently has a problem: its slow to react

2018-11-06 17:30:49 UTC

Correct--but in this situation no scheme has a satisfactory solution

2018-11-06 17:30:58 UTC

correct

2018-11-06 17:31:24 UTC

I don't think that's the situation healthcare intervention proponents seek to address

2018-11-06 17:31:57 UTC

i don't think there is a solution really.

2018-11-06 17:32:01 UTC

I'm not convinced it even matters to them if it makes it worse (it's a weird utilitarian tradeoff between steady-state improvement and worse exceptional situations)

2018-11-06 17:32:09 UTC

the intervention proponents don;t take choice into account

2018-11-06 17:32:52 UTC

lets go back to the force issues. we have 20, 10, 100, 0. Guy 0 has 0 because of choice. And his choices keep him at zero.

2018-11-06 17:33:19 UTC

so you take 10%, 18, 10, 90...but guy 0 stays at 0 because all those resources he wastes

2018-11-06 17:33:33 UTC

so all that happens is 18 and 90 keep having stuff taken from them

2018-11-06 17:33:55 UTC

while guy 0 has no incentive to not be at 0, because when he needs resources, they are given from other people

2018-11-06 17:34:01 UTC

Sure, but they also get more over time

2018-11-06 17:34:11 UTC

So it turns into this flow game instead, which is more complicated

2018-11-06 17:34:23 UTC

that assumes guy 0 is not throwing away faster than everyone else regains resources

2018-11-06 17:34:49 UTC

and you HAVE to assume that for force not to be an issue.

2018-11-06 17:34:55 UTC

I think the technocratic mentality wouldn't be fazed by this, though

2018-11-06 17:34:58 UTC

Though, TBH

2018-11-06 17:35:04 UTC

This might persuade some adherents

2018-11-06 17:35:36 UTC

A compassionate technocrat would say that we would devise solutions to these problems as they appear

2018-11-06 17:35:45 UTC

now, with choice, if the issue of 0 guy is his own problem, and not something nature forced on him, everyone else can say "fuck you pal" then either he dies of his own choice, or wises the fuck up.

2018-11-06 17:35:58 UTC

If you say the state i too sluggish, that's because we need a more robust and responsive state!

2018-11-06 17:36:21 UTC

if it IS something he didn't choose, something nature forced on him. force will keep pulling away from everyone above 10, untill no one is above 10, and 0 guy dies anyway.

2018-11-06 17:36:43 UTC

force only works so long as everyone else keeps gaining faster than guy 0 keeps draining

2018-11-06 17:36:53 UTC

Unless it doesn't drain fast enough for that

2018-11-06 17:36:59 UTC

That's kinda an empirical question

2018-11-06 17:37:13 UTC

oh yeah? how often does the economy crash?

2018-11-06 17:37:29 UTC

And honestly, modern economies are so productive that it's hard to imagine that happening given fixed prices

2018-11-06 17:37:48 UTC

who fixes the price?

2018-11-06 17:38:03 UTC

Part of the trouble, though, is that all of these solutions affect the price over time, and likely not in a positive direction

2018-11-06 17:38:14 UTC

All these increase demand without increasing supply

2018-11-06 17:38:17 UTC

currently my alcohol is fixed in CT. so much so Trader Joes can;t sell their 2 dollar wine. the price fix forces it to be like 9 bucks.

2018-11-06 17:38:42 UTC

Has anyone proposed fixing the price of health stuffs?

2018-11-06 17:38:45 UTC

but you didn't asnwer, how often does the economy decline?

2018-11-06 17:38:49 UTC

In the real world?

2018-11-06 17:38:52 UTC

yes

2018-11-06 17:39:07 UTC

how many economic increases keep increasing?

2018-11-06 17:39:41 UTC

and are not met, eventually, with a crash of near equal proportion

2018-11-06 17:39:58 UTC

In actuality, most if not all of them

2018-11-06 17:40:09 UTC

The recent crashes were bad, but not _that_ bad

2018-11-06 17:41:44 UTC

not that bad because our standard of living goes up all the time regardless

2018-11-06 17:42:11 UTC

tech keeps bringing costs down but thats not the problem we are trying to solve is it?

2018-11-06 17:42:20 UTC

we are trying to figure out what to do while we wait on technology

2018-11-06 17:43:37 UTC

also, lets go back to your assumption that people don't drain resources faster than they are remade by people: Look at the number of drug addicted people and overweight people in the US.

2018-11-06 17:43:57 UTC

if you give them no incentive to wise up, their healthcare costs are going to tax the system

2018-11-06 17:44:17 UTC

if not already

2018-11-06 17:44:31 UTC

and start to drain faster than resources are replaced

2018-11-06 17:44:49 UTC

and that assumes those who are constantly having their resources taken by force, don't just leave

2018-11-06 17:45:09 UTC

Whether it would be affordable is an empirical matter, I think

2018-11-06 17:45:20 UTC

So long as we're steelmanning: what if it turns out to be?

2018-11-06 17:45:43 UTC

IMO the real question there is : what are we giving up?

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