@pukeblood "according to WHO it does"

yeah their definition is right there lmao

all it says is "while drunk"

it CAN be interpreted that way, thats a problem

yes, so our discussion was over whether context and degree mattered. My statement was meant to be read as more or less 1 drink = no agency

"Drunk" means different things to different people, basically.

also from WHO; http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/terminology/who_lexicon/en/
"Intoxication is highly dependent on the type and dose of drug and is influenced by an individual's level of tolerance and other factors. Frequently, a drug is taken in order to achieve a desired degree of intoxication. The behavioural expression of a given level of intoxication is strongly influenced by cultural and personal expectations about the effects of the drug."

obviously these cases need to be solved uniquely, regarding the drinking ones, meanwhile a majority of the problem stems from relationship abuse and that doesnt seem to have come up in all the activism surrounding rape culture

@pukeblood, in my experience its a major topic of discussion amongst people informed on the topic

we trivialize drunk sex because its socially acceptable, even according to the CSA study, but I dont think we trivialize relationship abuse

Even less so when it comes to men. I know that is kind of out-of-nowhere, but even going off of that study, I don't think it's a leap in logic to assume that a lot of male victims of abuse don't report what is happening to them.

Laci Green for example, talks about this a bunch

Aside from the studies, for the sake of clarity, my only real "experience" with these kinds of issues is what I leaned while attending some lower-level criminal justice and law enforcement classes.

good, it SHOULD come up, we SHOULDNT ruin mens careers/futures for going to parties and having sex with culturally-defined consenting adults

i mean

one of my roomates had this whistle blown at him

the solution is to just

go to the police

so I get med

@pukeblood my best friend was falsely accused to.

On a *somewhat* related topic, my friend who is probably as left as one can be without going full-on "SJW" was called a racist recently.

extreme-left is racism, how left are they?

@JadenFrostwolf Rascism seems to be an ill-defined and poorly understood term these days. I went to weird high school with a lot of poor black kids (basically the school was situated such that it drew a middle class white population and poor black population

I would say "typical college indoctrinate" level, but not quite that far?

My friends said i was being rascist when i said the black kids were the kids who did all the fighting.

Facts ain't rascist yo

ooo but "hate facts" are

What he essentially said was that the children of Chinese immigrants might have a hard time adjusting to our culture.

That's it.

yeah ive seen people say "I like asian women" referring to dating preference, be called racist

stupid racist penis

Hey man, keep your holocaust cock away from us

Genocide by sexual preference ain't cool

tell that to every species on the planet

why wont that horse fuck that dolphin

god damn ignorant

Anyway, to bring the original topic back, I think abuse and domestic violence are issues that aren't specific to college campuses. People being victims of abuse and not wanting to or not being able to leave their abuser is something that happens everywhere, and this is definitely something that can be and should be brought up.

I forget what the study said, if it was more or less than what takes place outside of those colleges.

hows this for victim blaming, the study definitely mentions an increase, on-par with being in abusive relationship, stemming from being abused before college

so victims tend to get victimized

there are so many things that we think deserve justice that, I believe, come from a deep-seated lack of mental health examination

that goes for men who abuse and women who let themselves be abused, vice versa, etc.

Remember those anti trump text messages from the Mueller investigation? Welp they’re gone https://twitter.com/sharylattkisson/status/955156292599013376

Welp

It’s really sad that I’m able to say I’m not surprised.

Neither am I considering the FBI hide they had snipers surrounding Bundy’s ranch recently

On a totally unrelated note, I enjoyed the close-up of Timcat in yesterday's video. 😺

imcat

his name should be Beenie

that makes sense

I'll name my 4th 🐈 beanie

dont become a crazy cat ladie

nah, the cat should be named BBQ

Then livestreams are "BBQ and Beanies & the Timcast"

Best name for a show evaaah

name your show "the grill"

"Exclusive: BBQ cat on the grill"

i have a cat: astrophe

sounds like a... *catastrophe*

Tim's podcasting now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF-QFiW-cvo

Yup watching.

jbp is alpha

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/955011127901073408

is it me or is @Timcast's mic a bit off, compared to the others?

not livestreamed? nuuuuu

wanted to bribe him to take the beanie off

lol

BEANIE ON HAND

theres just a second beanie under it

never going to happen

just spam it

like sharpie in pooper

It'll totally convince him.

im convinced

It's beanies all the way down

Beanie bros

wb comrades

Oh good, I was afraid it was just my client

nope

core dump

it's like a netsplit

Ah, there's a term I recognize from my IRC days

I've never been around for this service to eat shit

The thing that confused me most was it wasn't all the servers that I'm in that I lost access to

Just this one and one other

yeah; some stuff was still up intermittently

Beans?

spill the beans

https://youtu.be/ku9edEKvGuY

YOUNG TIM^^^^

https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-nurse-charged-97-more-murders-2-hospitals-103350081.html

Jesus christ.

jesus fuck

Just wondering, where was the accountability in all of this?

Like Id imagine someone would go, huh, alot of people dying of the same symtoms here, lets send in some experts to check.

I mean, I cant imagine this shit going on unchecked in a private hospital.

they don't check that way, they just attribute those symptoms to whatever put the patient in hospital in the first place and move on

my grandma was given haloperidol after breaking her thigh, and she went all loopy from it and weak and dying, and they just attributed it to her alzheimers and age. Yet after we took her off it slowly after the hospital discharged her and she returned to normal for a few years before dying.

point being, they'd just attributed her behaviour and possible death to the existing symptoms if we didn't discover they gave her that at all and ordered the hospital to discontinue giving it to her

and this is from a dutch hospital who essentially perform the same as German ones

Sounds like Dutch hospitals to me alright

Only department anything remotely approaching rational thought is usually the ICU

Public or private hospital this one?

https://hequal.wordpress.com/2018/01/22/cathy-newmans-feminist-fans-sent-30-times-more-violent-sexist-abuse-to-peterson-his-supporters-than-vice-versa/

Saw that on KiA a few minutes ago

Only one issue, I heard that there was a purge of comments regarding the talk.

Knowing Twitter's biases, think the reason the numbers were so skewed were cause they only removed the ones that were directed towards cathy?

it was a private one, we can afford it

and it wouldnt matter if it was 30 times more or if Cathy recieved only 1 abusive tweet in total, the people who complain like the media will never achnowledge the fact it happens to both sides at all. and those that don't complain won't be heard

Lol, complaining will only give them more reason to continue their attacks

Thats the problem

true, trolls will be trolls

Still though

I dont believe anymore of this "extreme online abuse"

I remember Zoe claiming 4chan wanted to doxx her

And put up a bunch of screenshots.

literally

who? 😛

People on 4chan traced the comments and actually listed down how she basically took eveything out of context, and how most were posted by 1 or 2 people

but thats with all those people

Wu, Sark

Well, lets just say the spring is poisoned.

And well, they have the media on their side

well the overlapping issue is that One side refuses to achnowledge it happens to both sides, and instead blames the other side

so the other side stops caring because they can't win either way with them

and then you get a divide that can be exploited

Like the last US election Ill assume

Kinda wierd to say at least.

Dunno how wrong but I saw people change left to right when they realised games were threatened by the left now.

I mean, I changed my perspective as well.

well, its cuz like in reality, 90% of the world just wants to be left alone, and live their own life without interference from outside

gamers especially, cuz they just wanna game, they don't care about politics at all or who's in charge, just let them have their job to stay alive and game in their free time

Youre telling me of all people lol

but the progressive left somehow decreed that a middle ground no longer exists, and until the "enemy"(whoever they decide nowadays) is utterly destroyed forever, theres only us vs them

Well, lets say that theres people out there that gave zero fucks about politics

Now hate it with a passion

Kicked the hornets nest as they say

well, its literally because those people don't care they literally say "leave me alone" and these political people barge in going "No! there can be no more aloneness until you fully realised the world as we see it", and these people now just hop to anyone that announces they'll make the loud political whine-ists go away

Cringy messages in cartoons?

I remember those.

eugh, new Marvel comics

Well I meant back then

😛

Moral games?

Remakes of the violent ones?

Those were cringy. So seeing how they are basically doing it with all these walking sims

what was that game again? "Gone Home"?

about walking through a fictional home and discovering messages about a lesbian pre-adolescent kid that ran away cuz she was unhappy unless she was with her army gf?

Well, problem I had with is wasnt the game itself

I mean I thought the game was just well, okay. Okay 2-5 bucks for one playthrough

It was novel, interesting for a first time. But forgettable in the end

I only had issues with the journalism around it

Like I literally know nobody who has played it

well the issue is that it was poorly made, had no game elements to it, no replay value and no "believable" message

so people just went "what is this crap and why am i paying money for this?"

and disliking it means you don't like it, hence you hate the creators suddenly because hating a product is somehow hating on the maker

making you literally hitler or something 😛

but the journalists would harp on about it

I mean, I back then was real liberal (the real kind) when it came to what can go into games.

Still am actually, not implying I am not that now

i understand you, but sadly the word "liberal"is just tainted now into being a crazy person

Well, we got rape sims, a columbine sim, and even a mass shooting sim. Still was okay with all of them.

So no reason for me to not tolerate Gone Home. I just, didnt like the journalism around it

and the reason journalists harp on about it is because they need media shock

they can't break the news because of twitter tweets etc beating them to it, meaning they can't be the "first to report"

hence they have to draw an audience from somewhere else, which is by actually creating the news by making problems where there are none

then getting that bullshit pointed out, and whining about being harassed for "reporting the news"

Well, problem is that journalism around games is basically obsolete.

We got actual gamers submitting entire playthroughs

Speedrunners.

look at Jim Acosta with trump, he's being rude, interrupts anyone else, won't listen and only makes bait questions, and when trump tells him to F-off, he reports on CNN "boohoo, president is mean to me and censors journalism"

and yes

Hell, the industry had to make embargos to make sure journalists could get their articles out

lets-players took over games journalism

Like Id imagine we wouldnt need game journalism if there were no embargos.

because then you can see the game to its fullest, not just a 5 minute "what we want you to see" bit like No-content Sky

So to play devils advocate

What reason does the game industry have to keep them around?

Mostly indies I reckon

and on top of that, "games journalists" now aren't even gamers, most even tweet about how they hate gaming

And then they have to review a game like that Cup-head fiasco, where they couldn't even beat the tutorial and then write an article about "This game is the new dark souls"

Oh, yeah... How they are all too similar when it comes to writing

Indies don't need games journalists, because they demand money for actual coverage unless they "want" to cover it, which means the game needs publicity beforehand, which if it got pre-existant publicity would mean it doesnn't need the journalists spreading it

Well, that actually makes sense.

Also, helps that I find most of my games through steam reccomendations

And well.. User reviews

yes

steam is a better marketing tool now anyway

cuz the actual gamers that buy stuff have spat out any journalism cuz of gamergate

so all games journalists will generate nowadays on games tehy cover is hate from a mob of people taht arent even customers

Hmm, I guess they are benefiting from the hate.

Makes more sense that way.

well it depends

if it the journalists only cover the game its bad

if they go "look at this hated game" people will respond by buying it out of protest

Well, makes sense with clickbait actually

yes

You want clicks

"OK guys, well... this gun is cool looking, and it's black, and it fires bullets, so.... it functions. I mean, I hate guns, but I can imagine someone liking this for it's.... power....?"

They still are loosing money last I heard

anyhoo, gotta fly, gonna play heroes of the storm with some friends, i'll be around later

Cya then

It just makes no sense for games journalists to not be gamers.

Well I can say they hate black guns

if they wanted money, they should've gotten loyal audiences instead of spit on anyone that doesn't follow the progressive narrative

Nobody pays for news anymore however

I pay Tim to do that

Just need to replace press conferences with Twitter AMAs

Then maybe there'd be a lot less bullshit

Beautiful B-roll shots today, Tim. Also, the Text overlays are great.

Why do I get the feeling that "What you're saying is" is going to become a longer standing meme?

Also, how long before someone claims that saying "What you're saying is" as a means to take a dig at the left is a form of hate speech?

All I know is 'what you're saying is' is usually followed up by a strawman of what you were actually saying, at least from my experiences with it.

Aye, but since Kathy Newman used it so extensively, I've noticed people starting to use it satirically, like Tim does in today's video

on a related note, I'm wondering if there's any way to persuade Kathy to watch Cassie Jaye's TED Talk - in it Cassie talks about how she used to do the same thing back when she was of a feminist mindset

And to get her to see her "The Red Pill" documentary.

I'm wondering if it could be a good way to prod people into listening to what they're actually being told rather than what they think they're being told

I still need to watch the Red Pill myself, so not sure if Cassie actually explains how she used to think when she started the project

She does. Admittedly, she does spend more time on the MRA's point of view more than feminists, but she does both justice pretty alright. There was one part in there, however, where I am not ashamed to admit that I cried.

Where they were talking about boko haram.

Boko Haram is the islamist group that is against girls being educated if I'm remembering right?

Yeah.

All you heard about them was that they stop girls from getting an education, and kidnapped them that one time, right?

What you don't hear about is what they do to the boys.
They light them on fire.

aye, they don't report that on the news

And that they were killing the boys for months, and often the reports would use terms such as "people" or "villagers", even though they were mostly men, but since there was *one* woman in the group, they used the term "people."

And that that they only got the attention they did from the world once the kidnapped those girls.

Killing men and boys for months, even years, in unimaginable ways such as lighting them on fire.
Yet when they kidnap some girls, the world freaked out.
"#BringBackOurGirls"

This was an important lesson for them, obviously. "Just stick to brutally killing men. Noone cares about the men."

"They light them on fire."

Oh.

This got dark, didn't it? lol

I mean, hey, the darker parts of Islamist groups need to be showcased. Not enough light is being shed on it, because people are afraid of offending Muslims. If only they'd get on board with Muslim reformation, and see the current religion as it truly is. So many people are a prisoner of that faith, afraid to speak out, or run from their oppressors. That and pile onto that the fact many people have only known Islam. So when you have the atrocities on one hand, and basically all you've ever known on another, things tend to become muddled. Whereas, in other peoples' cases, they've been on the outside, looking in, seeing the problems rising from Islamic extremism.

The media is, in a sense, making peoples' chances of escape from actual maniacs that much harder by refusing to attribute the radical Islamist tag on pretty much any act of terrorism. And then there's the reality of them straight-up ignoring some attacks. A lot of attacks, actually. I have to actually look up the terrorist attacks in Europe. You'd think something like that would be top news. People are dying, and yet still, so many are willing to turn a blind eye. The literally only thing that they are accomplishing is further entrenching good people within their own prison. The prison that they, in the majority of cases, were born into.

And it's giving really shitty people free reign. It somewhat reminds me of the recruitment process of _actual_ white nationalists. Not this _blanket statement_ made up by many left-leaning individuals, who use it to discredit and defame their ideological and opinionated opponents. Basically, stories have been going around where (actual) white nationalists and skinheads have been recruiting kids and others at a young age who have been discarded by society. And what becomes of this is a sort of _"what if" situation. What _if_ these kids hadn't been manipulated and warped into someone else's twisted image at such a young age? Would they have been good people if they hadn't been thrown away so easily?

That's why I'm for Islamic reformation. _Technically,_ it makes little to no sense in one regard. Faith is about believing in something blindly, not changing what you have faith in. So it's kind of stupid on that front. Otherwise, why did you ever have faith to begin with if you were just going to change it? But on another more important side of things, Islam isn't going to go away. So the best chance the world has to step in the right direction is Islamic reformation, where the Qu'ran is revisted and revised to better fit a more peaceful and less barbaric way of life.

>wall of text
>rambling

Oh. My bad.

Let’s just say if Islam is the religion of peace than I really don’t want to know what the religion of war is.

^

^

This is compounded by the fact that many, about half (probably more) of the incoming migrants and refugees are completely illiterate in their own language.

@CreativeRealms the argument is that they are peaceful when islam is supreme

I am Supreme.

I have to chuckle whenever I see a feminist supporting Islam as a whole while literally being willfully ignorant and blind to the many shortcomings it possesses. Like, you'd literally have to _actively_ avoid and purposefully forget, or not believe no matter what, details here and there that challenge your position.

Sounds like a full-time job imo

When people get obssesed with identity politics, it can lead to them having some pretty contradictory views.

It's why I don't really identify as anything politically wise.

Yeah, I never got around to figuring out what I even am

I guess I just saw it as a waste of time

I've only ever taken the political compass test, for the most part, and a couple of other online tests.

Taking the compass test two years in a row as put me in the exact same spot each time.

With a very minor shift.

ISideWith is the most accurate in my opinion.

I side with my ignorance

I don't like that one, actually.

It’s the only one that put me as republican.

Not only is it longer than I care for, but many of the questions either don't have an answer that I actually agree with, or are worded in such a way where I feel compelled to answer in one way or another without actually agreeing with that answer.

Political compass had me at extreme centrist.

In the end, whatever I am, I'd rather take a middle stance despite my beliefs, so as to create a platform upon which I can act as liason between the right and the left. To act as a voice of reason, and compromise. Fighting like this has really taken its toll, and anyone should be able to see what it's been doing to the current political sphere.

kek same. Almost dead center according to online political tests (because we all know those are super accurate)

I'd rather people in general just start working together

but

>naivety

Humans are pretty irrational beings a lot of the time

I have my right wing bias but I can understand why the left and extreme right think the way they do so it’s easy to debate them.