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2018-01-19 01:57:50 UTC

Youtube, ideally, is an advertising dream for niche products

2018-01-19 01:58:36 UTC

That's why products like Tim Pool's own VPN sponsor seek him out.

2018-01-19 01:59:07 UTC

Like he said, he COULD accept offers to push for video game apps and stuff and make bank, but in a sense, those advertisements wouldn't really fit his format, while something covering security does.

2018-01-19 02:00:05 UTC

Many of the people in the free speech sector of youtube recognize the importance of anonymity and security, and so the marketing of that product to us is sound within this niche

2018-01-19 02:01:26 UTC

a poor example, since they advertise natively as opposed to pre-roll, with good reason, a VPN is kind of at odds with Youtube's Big Data business model

2018-01-19 02:03:03 UTC

Now, there are advertising models that actually track your internet usage - I know facebook does this

2018-01-19 02:03:12 UTC

where if you visit a website, you're more likely to see paid ads for that website

2018-01-19 02:03:36 UTC

it's more of a brand awareness model, where they try to keep their company name in your mind to get you to eventually buy

2018-01-19 02:03:58 UTC

I'm not sure if youtube uses it, but google's advertising services do use it sometimes.

2018-01-19 02:04:35 UTC

mmhmm

2018-01-19 02:05:42 UTC
2018-01-19 02:06:34 UTC

I've been recently looking for server space for a media company I'm trying to build, and bluehost was one of the server providers that I looked at.

2018-01-19 02:06:45 UTC

That's a very directed advertisement.

2018-01-19 02:07:12 UTC

I had to disable my ad blocker just to get an example. >:D

2018-01-19 02:07:58 UTC

But no, I don't recall what ads I see on Tim's videos when I watch them on my phone (He does get ads on them there)

2018-01-19 02:08:24 UTC

because I usually tune them out. They usually come in in the middle of a video... :/

2018-01-19 02:32:50 UTC

so sould i use brave and bat?

2018-01-19 02:49:47 UTC

how much money would you have gotten if this newest youtube guillotine had not hit you, and you had 999 subscribers and 3999 hours of viewtime? Just out of curiosity, I have no clue. Is it tens of dollars, or hundreds?

2018-01-19 02:49:54 UTC

yearly, that is

2018-01-19 02:50:13 UTC

so 4k viewer hours is 240k minutes watched

2018-01-19 02:50:19 UTC

lets say you make 2 minute videos

2018-01-19 02:50:24 UTC

120k views

2018-01-19 02:50:29 UTC

so you get 119k views

2018-01-19 02:50:37 UTC

that can be from 50-200$ maybe

2018-01-19 02:51:04 UTC

I guess that's a decent chunk of money but that's not like anybody's career or anything

2018-01-19 02:51:16 UTC

do a 10 hour lviestream of your hamsters being hamsters

2018-01-19 02:51:22 UTC

heh

2018-01-19 02:51:36 UTC

600 minutes per view (that reaches 100%)

2018-01-19 02:51:46 UTC

so its kinda whack but w.e

2018-01-19 02:52:02 UTC

yeah I understand, I totally hate it but I'm trying to get the boundaries of the thing

2018-01-19 02:52:04 UTC

some people can hit 10k subs but not hit teh hour mark becuse they had a viral 30 second video

2018-01-19 02:52:09 UTC

thanks for explaining btw.

2018-01-19 02:52:20 UTC

30 seconde video

2018-01-19 02:52:25 UTC

average watch time is 20 seconds

2018-01-19 02:52:32 UTC

yeah, meme videos and such

2018-01-19 02:52:37 UTC

youll need 720,000 views

2018-01-19 02:52:38 UTC

time to twitch it

2018-01-19 02:52:43 UTC

and get subs

2018-01-19 02:52:47 UTC

and bits

2018-01-19 02:52:50 UTC

and whatnot

2018-01-19 02:53:01 UTC

and amazon (actual possible competitor to youtube)

2018-01-19 02:53:17 UTC

but would it be trading one set of problems for another.. who knows...

2018-01-19 02:53:59 UTC

I guess the worst thing from this is that if you're a budding content creator, the first time someone pays you money for the stuff you've created feels good

2018-01-19 02:54:01 UTC

that being said, Amazon is probably the only feasable company that could possibly bring any competition to Youtube...

2018-01-19 02:54:07 UTC

and now the treshold is pretty high

2018-01-19 02:54:34 UTC

not only is the threshold high, the production value is high

2018-01-19 02:54:42 UTC

think about hte mini studios popping up now

2018-01-19 02:54:54 UTC

crowder, rubin, shapiro

2018-01-19 02:55:13 UTC

yeah but I mean if it's 200$ or less, it's like ...nice, but it won't put food on the table

2018-01-19 02:55:19 UTC

no it wont

2018-01-19 02:55:31 UTC

and all three of those rely on income outside of YT

2018-01-19 02:55:46 UTC

as the majority, and I know Tim does as well

2018-01-19 02:56:01 UTC

Yeah. I've started watching Tim's stuff only recently

2018-01-19 02:56:14 UTC

Rubin just posted a video sayign Socialism sucks,

2018-01-19 02:56:19 UTC

demonitized immediatly

2018-01-19 02:56:26 UTC

renamed name video as capatalism sucks

2018-01-19 02:56:28 UTC

no demonitized

2018-01-19 02:56:34 UTC

Lols

2018-01-19 02:56:47 UTC

Kinda out of character for him to use a provocative title like that

2018-01-19 02:56:48 UTC

lol i saw that

2018-01-19 02:56:52 UTC

but very funny

2018-01-19 02:57:02 UTC

its very out of character

2018-01-19 02:57:17 UTC

but Rubin's been pretty animated on twitter regarding YT lately as well

2018-01-19 02:57:25 UTC

and that's saying something for someone as agreeable as him

2018-01-19 02:57:47 UTC

perhaps he's the type to anger slowly

2018-01-19 02:57:55 UTC

now he's an unstoppable machine!

2018-01-19 02:58:05 UTC

something's going to break for sure

2018-01-19 02:58:16 UTC

or rather soemthing's gonna give

2018-01-19 02:58:23 UTC

hah

2018-01-19 02:59:15 UTC

and I think more and more will be looking at competitors, between demonitization, wrong think, and just arbitrary rule changes... not to mention the amount of popcorn to be consumed with the damore suit

2018-01-19 02:59:40 UTC

I really hope the normies notice the damore case, but I'm kinda afraid it'll pass since it's kinda nuanced and complicated

2018-01-19 02:59:48 UTC

H3 productions is on twitch for example

2018-01-19 02:59:54 UTC

pass by unnoticed I mean.

2018-01-19 03:00:04 UTC

no I know what you meant

2018-01-19 03:00:13 UTC

I work for a major competitor to google btw

2018-01-19 03:00:22 UTC

and we have none of that internally

2018-01-19 03:00:36 UTC

no SJW shitshow or what?

2018-01-19 03:00:40 UTC

well, it is

2018-01-19 03:00:44 UTC

but its tame by comparison

2018-01-19 03:00:51 UTC

yeah a little bit is fine, healthy even

2018-01-19 03:00:58 UTC

I'm not on the main campus either so perhaps it doesn't affect me

2018-01-19 03:01:10 UTC

but diversity and inclusivity training has happened

2018-01-19 03:01:18 UTC

but I'm ok with that, I think that lends us to better people

2018-01-19 03:01:32 UTC

depends on how mandatory and inquisition-like it is

2018-01-19 03:01:43 UTC

well its mandtory e-training

2018-01-19 03:01:52 UTC

but its more of, "don't do this, mmkay"

2018-01-19 03:02:01 UTC

not, you are white male, so you shall be mocked

2018-01-19 03:02:04 UTC

sounds harmless then

2018-01-19 03:02:10 UTC

extremely

2018-01-19 03:02:33 UTC

but yeah, I've sort of been looking for a good, condensed explanation of the damore case; What he said and why he said it

2018-01-19 03:02:48 UTC

something so short and simple that it won't bore a normal person

2018-01-19 03:02:49 UTC

Have you read the filing?

2018-01-19 03:02:56 UTC

it's pretty damning

2018-01-19 03:03:06 UTC

hmm, I'll look it up

2018-01-19 03:03:08 UTC

Tim has a video on it too if you haven't seen it

2018-01-19 03:03:48 UTC

I guess "Google unfairly discriminates against white men whose political views are unpopular with its executives."

2018-01-19 03:03:53 UTC

is fairly condensed and simple

2018-01-19 03:04:21 UTC

thanks! ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-01-19 03:04:24 UTC

anytime

2018-01-19 03:06:30 UTC

have you seen the peterson channel 4 interview?

2018-01-19 03:06:36 UTC

or anyone else for that matter

2018-01-19 03:06:42 UTC

yeah, it was pretty fun to watch

2018-01-19 03:06:56 UTC

he really pinched her with his lobster claws

2018-01-19 03:07:12 UTC

"so are you saying we should live like lobsters"

2018-01-19 03:07:28 UTC

She was a bit unpleasant at times, but not nearly as bad as some american hosts

2018-01-19 03:07:30 UTC

so you are saying, so you are saying, so you are saying?"

2018-01-19 03:07:36 UTC

but JP did a remarkably fine job

2018-01-19 03:07:40 UTC

Oh no, that was her job

2018-01-19 03:07:56 UTC

the problem is, is her arguments arne't fully founded

2018-01-19 03:08:11 UTC

and are easily disputed by someone with JBP's intellect

2018-01-19 03:08:33 UTC

and the gotcha moment.. honestly, if that happens more.. it will be a turning point in the SJW movement

2018-01-19 03:08:41 UTC

plus I guess he's used to having to defend his points by now, it's become routine for him ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-01-19 03:08:56 UTC

almost laughable.. wait.. is laughable.. which he did

2018-01-19 03:09:06 UTC

I showed my wife that video

2018-01-19 03:09:14 UTC

what did she think?

2018-01-19 03:09:45 UTC

same thoughts as me, basically

2018-01-19 03:10:05 UTC

"facts don't care about your feelings" to steal a great quote

2018-01-19 03:10:16 UTC

is it a shapiro one or is it older?

2018-01-19 03:10:42 UTC

well it's attributed to shapiro sure, but I'm sure it goes back farther if you look hard enough

2018-01-19 03:12:08 UTC

Rubin's 2nd video is only 1:16 so it's not even elligble for monitization...

2018-01-19 03:20:30 UTC

I know nothing about it, sorry (saw you deleted it)

2018-01-19 03:22:25 UTC

heh, all right. I just started feeling self conscious about spamming the place ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-01-19 03:25:32 UTC

wow 202 mph tailwind

2018-01-19 03:25:40 UTC

reached 776 mph groundspeed

2018-01-19 03:25:45 UTC

in a 787

2018-01-19 03:26:35 UTC

somehow that's still only mach .85 and not 1.0 to go supersonic

2018-01-19 03:26:38 UTC

but geeze

2018-01-19 04:21:50 UTC

Depends on the IAS. Wouldn't have gotten high enough cause it's riding on the tailwind.

2018-01-19 04:22:26 UTC

IAS was .85

2018-01-19 04:23:04 UTC

in either case 200+ tailwind is crazy

2018-01-19 05:19:18 UTC

Yeah, too bad the 787 isn't rated for Mach

2018-01-19 07:23:42 UTC

Breaking sound barrier requires more speed at lower pressures

2018-01-19 07:24:08 UTC

Then again a 787 is about .02Mach faster than a BA 777 which held the original record.

2018-01-19 14:21:28 UTC

@i509VCB Mach is relative to the pressure surrounding you, though. The 787 is faster, but it flies at a higher altitude, ergo its typical speed as measured in Mach is lower

2018-01-19 18:29:58 UTC

I have the option to add 4 sponsors per month. So basically sundays would be videos that are advertorial, half news, half product demo, then the next three videos would have a preroll for that company.

2018-01-19 18:30:01 UTC

what do ya'll think

2018-01-19 18:30:03 UTC

worth it?

2018-01-19 18:34:42 UTC

as long as it doesnt impact the quality of the videos, why not?

2018-01-19 18:38:39 UTC

itll turn sundays video into an advertorial

2018-01-19 18:38:48 UTC

I mean, most people dont do videos everyday anyway

2018-01-19 18:39:02 UTC

but instead of a google ad in the beginning its just me giving a shoutout

2018-01-19 18:39:06 UTC

like ive been doing

2018-01-19 18:39:19 UTC

and thurs-sat would have no sponsor

2018-01-19 18:42:59 UTC

As long as the quality increases it's all good

2018-01-19 18:43:39 UTC

You the expert on this. From what you see currently, how sustainable is this?

2018-01-19 18:43:56 UTC

it means i can get an office and hire people

2018-01-19 18:44:18 UTC

you should monitor the views if you do it that way before you plan with the money

2018-01-19 18:44:25 UTC

i see no negative impact

2018-01-19 18:44:36 UTC

or should say

2018-01-19 18:44:37 UTC

minor

2018-01-19 18:44:43 UTC

Going the dailywire and rubin report route?

2018-01-19 18:44:44 UTC

but its mixed with many people excited and a few people upset

2018-01-19 18:44:58 UTC

i want to hire investigators

2018-01-19 18:45:13 UTC

thing is, if you have the advertorials on a schedule people might skip those

2018-01-19 18:45:15 UTC

I'd personally be fine with it if the advertising was limited to a minor section.

2018-01-19 18:45:32 UTC

Actually no idea, but dailywire has them doing those adverts.

2018-01-19 18:45:42 UTC

Helps that they do it live as well.

2018-01-19 18:45:48 UTC

I.E. a moment of 'this video is sponsored by X' before the video, but no more than that.

2018-01-19 18:46:03 UTC

Yeah I don't mind the ads, having a small team would certainly offset that

2018-01-19 18:46:07 UTC

the deal would be one advertorial per week

2018-01-19 18:46:15 UTC

and small plugs in the beginning of three videos

2018-01-19 18:47:13 UTC

if you treat them like ads on the radio and some online pod casts, like the daily wire, then i don't think its that big a problem. its just getting the ads right from the source rather than praying to all mighty google for some crumbs

2018-01-19 18:47:51 UTC

I think styx pretty much said wean off youtube and focus on patrons.

2018-01-19 18:48:16 UTC

what is the difference between an ad from google playing at the start of a video and an ad time has to read, so long as we know its an ad

2018-01-19 18:48:17 UTC

so the sunday video would be like 4 minutes of product demo and 6 minutes of news

2018-01-19 18:48:21 UTC

Sell merc or advertise them yourself. Dunno if it fits all situations.

2018-01-19 18:48:29 UTC

monday-weds would be whatever i wanted with a 30 second shout out

2018-01-19 18:48:53 UTC

Didnt you already do tech reviews? Cant be too different.

2018-01-19 18:49:41 UTC

hard part is to stay... how do i say that... authentic... believeable... you know... if you come off as shilling something for the money it might hurt your credibility in areas related to the sponsors...

2018-01-19 18:50:21 UTC

Too be honest its a tough situation here.

2018-01-19 18:50:46 UTC

Based on yhe general ideas held by tims usual audience.

2018-01-19 18:50:52 UTC

@I AM ERROR I doubt tim would get a sponsor that was political or in his domain at all

2018-01-19 18:51:19 UTC

Most of us hate msm cause of govt or corp influence.

2018-01-19 18:52:05 UTC

Only because said influence drives their narrative.

2018-01-19 18:52:16 UTC

I don't think this would apply to Tim.

2018-01-19 18:52:50 UTC

i wouldnt take a sponsor if the content didnt fit the things i talk about

2018-01-19 18:52:56 UTC

and i wouldnt rep anything political

2018-01-19 18:52:56 UTC

I dont think so either. But will the average viewer think that?

2018-01-19 18:53:05 UTC

and would drop any sponsor that got political

2018-01-19 18:53:22 UTC

ill be able to hire other people to do vids and itll work towards launching subverse

2018-01-19 18:53:43 UTC

I think it's safe to say that the average viewer can tell the difference, just from the fact that they're not watching MSM and coming to Tim's videos in the first place. lol

2018-01-19 18:54:59 UTC

Eh fair. Then again, I think tim needs sponsors. Just an announcement should be made. But going indie is the key, screwed by yt and patreon sucks.

2018-01-19 18:55:34 UTC

This is one way to grow less reliant on them. So I say its the more rational? Way forward?

2018-01-19 18:56:21 UTC

It makes sense.

2018-01-19 18:57:40 UTC

of course it makes sense... but... example... ben shapiro talks about his sponsors and somehow he is using all of them... i really don't buy that... comes off as shilling for the money...

2018-01-19 18:57:53 UTC

Hes just a damn good speaker thats all.

2018-01-19 18:58:18 UTC

Then again tim also talked bout that vpn service and it did sound convincing.

2018-01-19 18:58:38 UTC

Unless he actually does use them. It may seem like he's shilling, and it is quite possible, but none of these services are incompatible.

2018-01-19 18:58:42 UTC

vpns are good services

2018-01-19 18:58:51 UTC

i used tunnel bear for a while but had some issues

2018-01-19 18:58:58 UTC

seemed liek virtual shield put more money into their app

2018-01-19 18:59:13 UTC

Yeah, I was thinking about a VPN sometime, but I make like 6k a year with my current job and need to save.

2018-01-19 18:59:20 UTC

Hey, it's better than selling iodine and jacking up the price 500%

2018-01-19 18:59:26 UTC

so when i go overseas I havea vpn for security but its more importantly used to watch netflix

2018-01-19 18:59:29 UTC

lol

2018-01-19 18:59:35 UTC

yea alex jones just sells supplements

2018-01-19 18:59:42 UTC

i turned down mobile games and other shit liek that

2018-01-19 18:59:52 UTC

And water filters. <:Kappa:327142715592540171>

2018-01-19 18:59:55 UTC

Black pidgeon did a mobile game lol

2018-01-19 19:00:05 UTC

So did JonTron.

2018-01-19 19:00:14 UTC

mobile games? ๐Ÿ˜‚

2018-01-19 19:00:18 UTC

@JadenFrostwolf might be that shapiro is using all of them, but it sounds fake when he talks about them

2018-01-19 19:00:33 UTC

Well didnt think that people mind anyway

2018-01-19 19:00:40 UTC

its the same with all kind of talk show like sponsorships really, with ben.

2018-01-19 19:00:42 UTC

Yeah, he does, but meh. I try not to judge people's intent or try to read their minds.

2018-01-19 19:00:50 UTC

they are all written the same way so its clear its just another ad

2018-01-19 19:01:06 UTC

only the ads are being recorded live, rather than pre-recorded

2018-01-19 19:01:15 UTC

So with tim specifically

2018-01-19 19:01:20 UTC

Tim pool soundboard with microtransactions to unlock every phrase

2018-01-19 19:01:24 UTC

its just like any ad on tv with your favorite celeb really

2018-01-19 19:01:35 UTC

an entire page dedicated to every time he said "I used to work for vice"

2018-01-19 19:02:15 UTC

And "I'm mixed." <:Kappa:327142715592540171>

2018-01-19 19:02:17 UTC

tim worked for vice? next you're telling me he is mixed race and wears beanies ๐Ÿ˜‰

2018-01-19 19:02:18 UTC

tower defense where you refute accusations of being alt-right

2018-01-19 19:02:40 UTC

So people actually came forward to promo Mobile games? Well I guess its not uncommon in this day and age.

2018-01-19 19:02:56 UTC

The marketing budgets for some of them rival aaa companies.

2018-01-19 19:02:58 UTC

There are some mobile games that aren't money vacuums.

2018-01-19 19:03:19 UTC

They're just rare, and even more rarely are they actually good or interesting.

2018-01-19 19:03:28 UTC

the difference between mobile game and aaa game is getting smaller every day

2018-01-19 19:03:44 UTC

yea the vpn stuff has no script or anything

2018-01-19 19:03:53 UTC

particularly with Mr. "Games as a Service" Ea head.

2018-01-19 19:03:55 UTC

none of the proposed sponsors have any script other than teach people about it

2018-01-19 19:03:55 UTC

Actually, so then, how hard would it be to get a sponsor?

2018-01-19 19:04:12 UTC

Though I am assuming you got some.

2018-01-19 19:04:14 UTC

the other issue is that if I just did commercials for myself would I end up making more?

2018-01-19 19:04:27 UTC

theres something about getting a service that people are more into than dontaing to me

2018-01-19 19:04:49 UTC

the popular mobile games are 100% exploiting psycology, IIRC there was a Y combinator talk about how they attach triggers to anxiety to improve user engagement

2018-01-19 19:05:04 UTC

So, doing ads for products or services that you like vs ones that you think your audience would like?

2018-01-19 19:05:19 UTC

all games exploit psychology

2018-01-19 19:05:33 UTC

What is your perspective of you current audience tim? Just curious.

2018-01-19 19:05:46 UTC

in fact, when Destiny was coming out, the bragged about actually hiring a psychologist to make the game addicting

2018-01-19 19:05:52 UTC

I'd say just do whatever interests you. There seems to be at least *some* crossover between what you like and your audience likes.

2018-01-19 19:07:36 UTC

Besides hearthstone?

2018-01-19 19:07:40 UTC

what do you mean commercials for yourself? your patreon etc.?

2018-01-19 19:07:51 UTC

yea do a 30 second promo for my own donations instead

2018-01-19 19:09:35 UTC

you could try a hybrid approach, do one ad for yourself on one video, a paid ad for the next, see how things work. If you see enough increase from just doing an ad yourself, then you can cut the paid content. if not, then you can start putting in paid content in place of your own ad

2018-01-19 19:09:57 UTC

Is it a good idea to experient here though?

2018-01-19 19:10:20 UTC

hmm... depends of how it is integrated i guess... but i would combine it i guess...

2018-01-19 19:10:28 UTC

We are talking someine career here. And I have no clue about what the average timcast viewer is like

2018-01-19 19:11:33 UTC

It's best to keep it simple and easy, and not overcomplicate it with any kind of back-and-forth or trying anything fancy.

2018-01-19 19:11:51 UTC

i think the best place to promote your own donations would be after super engaging content like when you were talking about cars on fire in sweden

2018-01-19 19:12:02 UTC

though that's also when sponsors want their spots

2018-01-19 19:12:20 UTC

@GingaBomber i think tim will decide for himself and just wants input...?

2018-01-19 19:12:28 UTC

This aint some radioshow unfortunately

2018-01-19 19:13:02 UTC

Vids may be daily, but are too short for inbetweener commercials

2018-01-19 19:14:05 UTC

And cant be at the end, not everyone finishes the vids.

2018-01-19 19:14:17 UTC

sponsored ads seem to be fine as long as the company has absolutely nothing to do with the content, hard to make that line clear

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