Every conservative student would be arrested and expelled.

No mercy.

That's when you go to court.

And you do it strategically.

You're not doing this in Berkely.

You do it at U Nebraska where the faculty are already on the defensive after that incident with the professor at the TPUSA table.

And the population is already right-leaning.

Hit one or two unis and keep making threats and it'll get attention.

And spread naturally. And as it does you build infrastructure.

Optics are going to be shit. It'll be all white males.

Who cares. Most left leaning protests are majority middle-class white females.

And you don't need to chain yourself to a tree. Just make enough noise to get attention and force the administration's hand.

And keep up pressure.

I mean, just inviting Christina Hoff Summers is usually enough.

Again, the majority of the action should be from the non-left base and external factors. Create funds with designated purposes and keep people informed on how it is working. Then shift to politicians.

You only need a couple visible figures.

And enough attention to maintain focus among the base.

Seems like one obstacle is communicating to moneyed conservatives why they need to fund these efforts instead of investing that money in something that's going to generate a return.

Because a lot of people are just going to read about this and tune out.

Oh yes. That's actually why I like the Kochs. He understands the importance of the culture war and doesn't just play "buy Republican ads" game.

They think it doesn't matter to society at large.

The real challenge is getting the Rightwing grassroots to care.

Think of the last time you found a far left and how many NGOs they had on their car. Every one of those bumper stickers was money directed for a cause.

There is an asymmetry in the left and the right. The Left will fight on any terrain they can find. The Right just thinks that if they whine like sheep and then elect someone like Trump they'll somehow win.

It might work for short stretches in electoral politics but fails in the long run.

There are actually moneyed conservatives interested in this already and they struggle to find footing. The Martin Center of Academic Renewal for example has plenty of money coming in from places.

But a couple million from donors to fund a couple people to complain is like everything--easy to ignore.

Maybe one factor is that the right thinks they can win a civil war.

Which they won't, BTW.

They might have the arms, but thy lack the organization and intelligence.

I'd rather have established structure and Google than a single firearm.

The right has a bad habit of being completely delusional.

I don't think anyone would win a civil war, and yes the right is pretty delusional when it comes to such discussions.

(Aside: this is my criticism of Nikki Haley's recent comment about not 'triggering the libs.' I notice alot of the vocal right wing academics I know would agree with me)

But they use it as a security blanket.

^

Along with naive assumptions on the free market.

It's like KiA. Everyone keeps saying how "get woke go broke" is going to kill the gaming publishers.

But The Escapist just got bought, Youtube is cracking down with the adpocalypse. Twitch isn't much better and there's not really easy-to-find alternatives to actually make the publishers go broke.

If KiA was a social justice outfit, they would have already crowdsourced and hired their own independent stack and "signal boosted" it whenever possible.

Instead, they'll just lose the new market and get replaced over time or get exhausted.

Feels like some of these differences in institutions stem from the differences in personality traits of their constituent members. Getting conservatives to work together on anything is like herding cats.

Can agree. But that's a problem on the left too.

Once a hierarchy is established it works great, but the dominance battles are fierce and destructive.

Conservatives tend to be of the "we'll find someone who will fix it for us" variety and Libertarians are to strongly "No You. Fuck You telling me what to do"

I'm not sure it's the heirarchy battles as much as it's a tendency towards apathy and an inability to recognize that sometimes you just have to sacrifice for the common good.

It's actually a coming weakness I think. As the right becomes more libertarian and the religious right fades, there will be a general shortage of footsoldiers.

Also, the left now has more money. Organization and discipline are more important than ever.

Well, every time a conservative organization forms it's denounced as 'alt right'

And every time a left wing organization is formed it's denounced as "communist."

Left wing organizations were designated "obscene" in the 90s.

The Proud Boys could've been something good, but they've been mired in controversy and accusations of racism since day one.

I'm not sure that really matters much for the fight over the academy.

Who else is going to be shouting "THIS IS WHAT YOU DO TO US"?

What, you think there will be a false flag of some sort?

No, just that it's extremely difficult to get a conservative group together for real life activism because they get labelled racist and nobody wants to participate.

This reminds me so much of the discussions I was having about a year and a half ago in which I said silicon valley was going to play censor and Congress needed to be looking at doing something about it then.

I can get away with going to a demonstration because I'm self-employed and don't give a fuck what anyone calls me.

But anyone who works for a corp is dead meat if they show up to a conservative rally.

Not necessarily. And even if that were true, if you're in the College Republicans you're already pretty marked as is.

I mean, the kids already making "affirmative action bake sales" and running TPUSA booths are already pretty committed.

Effective messaging is hard, I will agree. But that's something the right needs to learn.

Gotta weed out the Nazi LARPers too.

Agreed. And you need a system of identification (like colorful standardized Tshirts)

The big thing the right needs to learn is how to not suffer defeat in detail every time someone speaks up.

There is a reason unions came to power once. If a whole division quits over someone being fired it makes a statement.

You're never going to get the American right to behave in such a collectivist way.

I'm not sure.

That ain't happening man.

How many fucking candidates did they have again?

So what, jsut throw everything in the air and give it all up?

Let the left dominate everything?

No, I think there is a sense of unity among the right, but it needs to learn how to use it.

The left is always trying to tell itself to emphasize unity and complains it lacks unity itself.

No, but you're going to have to realize that the right is not the left. They are made up of people who think in fundamentally different ways. You're just trying to get the right to emulate the left and I'm pointing out they can't do so. It's against what makes them conservative.

I think you can rally people to a collective goal if the sitution is clear enough.

If the right became a mob of collectivist pod people shouting slogans and wearing identical t-shirts i wouldn't want to have anything to do with them.

"There's no libertarians or social conservatives in the academy" is going to attract two groups of people.

I'd rather act like insurgents.

Ok. So what do you plan to do?

I'm not going to discuss what I am doing.

Not in an open forum.

I like the idea of insurgents. But the habit seems to be to pretend that you'll take the management position in a company. And then you discover you can't just act unilaterally and nothing actually happens.

@Atkins well, I can't make you trust me. But if you want to talk, we can try to set up some kind of encrypted channel.

I might be wrong in how I think this could be played. But I feel very strongly that there is fundamentally no discussion of tactics among anyone other than the far left.

And the tactics discussion *needs* to happen or the far left will always dictate the norms of society.

PM me if you want to try and set something up.

sum good ole game theory would be a good idea XD get a bit of a stride for the right

although ppl on the right dont seem liek the kind to be willfully ignorant about game theory

its just not a part of common parlance

Honestly, in my experience alot of people on the right tend to be pretty apathetic to anything that doesn't get hits on Rush Limbaugh.

It depends alot on what kind of right you're talking about though. Not everyone is the same.

XD lol yeah very true lol even just in the US theres many kinds of right-wingers

Intersectionality was originally developed in the 80s precisely because far left activists struggled to keep people together.

then u look at international politics and yep

Libertarians are very flexible and can be rather bold. But they also tend to be little too fundamentalist in strategy and can't unify on anything.

Law and order conservatives want to fade into the background, let law enforcement solve everything and just watch football.

Already you can see the conflict.

XD yeah the whole authority thing

Rockefeller conservatives are important as they hold the resources but are completely flaky and bend under pressure easily.

They'll do whatever they can to get ahead.

yeah i mean gotta follow the green brick road so to speak

Classical liberals haven't settled into a form yet. But I'm guessing they'll be somewhere between the libertarians and conservatives.

especially when you already have that much money

I mean, they are literally conservatives because they don't want to pay taxes.

It's not exactly like they're complicated people.

And on stuff like social issues they'll fall to whatever they can brownnose with best.

yeah for real 😛 wherever they can stick that nose to get favours/lax regulations

Now we've got the reactionaries. Who would be the natural analog to the radical left, but they're rather toxic and lack any sense of discipline or PR.

Everyone knows the Alt-Right is toxic and more likely to harm themselves and anyone associated with them, but the Alt-right isn't going to shut up either.

yeah i mean reacting willy nilly to everything, even if selectivley moderated, isnt very organised

no matter how much you moderate your reactions/what you react to

To some extent anarchy is good. But oyu have to be able to specify specific goals and reach them.

yeah the alt right is like the loud special kid in the back of the class everyone feels too akward to tell to their face to shut up

You also have to be able to assert dominance so to speak in the private sphere.

and instead talks behind their back all day

Which is a horrifying concept to calssical liberal ideology.

I think http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservative-the-eternal-struggle/ sums up a key element of how stuff like GamerGate happens.

It's a defeat in detail.

^Also a very good read, IMO.

XD my internet explorer (dont ask y i still use it) is shitting out fml

I just realized this was a really bad place for this long discussion.

should have been in debate or something.

XD lol yeah with all teh links

If you can see the title it should work just to search it.

Slatestarcodex is a pretty simple blog.

lol yeah its loading jsut not loading anything.

Hold on, I'll copy paste it to you in a private chat.

ok sick that works

tyty

yeah that op ed covers alot of ground and i think your right in saying it hits the nail on the head of the mechanism that has led to the current political climate in terms of these cultural bubbles in academia, the MSM, silicone valley, ect...

honestly though it does seem as though the left will be suceptible to the sort of thing the right has been going through soon enough

in terms of very overtly partisan media groups seperating themselves from the current mainstream (to form their own liberal directed mainstream) because of lacking systematic unilateral power

once trump gets re-elected

even though thats a bit off i think it gives just enough time for the sort of unfurling (into radical far-leftist ideology) the left has slowley but surely been going through

for it to get to a point where we will have essentially 2 paradoxical mainstreams, both equally ignoring facts for the point of reinforcing their own existance

with any sort of reasonable centre fighting for what little views they would get

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/594ynd/bernies-medicare-for-all-might-cost-dollar326-trillion-and-thats-fine?utm_source=vicefbus

Oh sure, but a few billion for a border wall is completely unacceptable

Double standards

XD lol yeeeeuup

More rape for the illegal smugglers yaaaaaaaaaaay!!

Yeah, I feel that Vox is actually the left separating itself from the mainstream. The subtle trick is that they are doing it in a way to look neutral and take the swing votes with them. Klein was a very far left op-ed writer and editor before he started Vox and it tends to show. You can add HuffPo, Buzzfeed and Vice to this list.

This end state is actually the situation in the UK. You've got left papers (The Guardian, the BBC, Daily Mirror) and then you've got right papers (The Telegraph, The Times, Daily Mail)

I do *not* think this is a good solution for society as a whole nor do I think it works well in every industry, such as academia. But if you cast everyone out and go crazy, it's probably the equilibrium solution under a 2 party system.

Yeah i mean it makes more sense in the US under a 2 party system

As opposed to in the UK with its mulitple parties

Also canada has it like the reverse

Where the mainstream is blatantly unapologetically leftist but there isnt really much of a mainstream rightwing media

Outside of alternative media of which the largest are blatantly right wing

Hm. It seems to be a stable solution for media atleast.

I suppose there will eventually be conservative media in Canada. It'll just be in Mandarin.

This is a google document chronicling the violence , property destruction and other crimes of anti trump lunatics. It has hundreds of examples. Still being updated.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TfCfABG1xW-OQOf-nNyLdsC-2gPDAebOFwwGOarVhqs/mobilebasic

Noiiice

@Deleted User, is it backed-up anywhere? I wouldn't want any Google employees getting any ideas.

But that's an excellent list.

Wowzerz

Yeah wowzers in my trouserz

It is now possible to be docophilic

@pratel it’s here too
https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/

I tried to show one of my friends that rap sheet, and he instantly refused to believe any of it due solely to the fact that it's Breitbart and he said "that's where steve bannon came from. nuff said"

Shit... I sent it to him when it was only 190

He's also German so he doesn't regularly see this kind of stuff

If you have time, just send him other media covering the same events. Maybe seeing a few would change his mind. Some of these events were covered in the legacy media @Vesdii

Sorry for your friend being in Germany. It’s hard to live in the EU and know what’s beyond the censorship.

Right

Ah that reminds me

Was gonna watch a video about the censoring of the Berkeley riots in German news

Is it in English? If yes, please link. I’m interested.

@Vesdii

https://youtu.be/orqD7B4DaOU

I had this argument too many times on this board. I'm posting this. Section 1 is a very worthwhile read: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/we-all-live-on-campus-now.html

Ya think Germany censorship is bad, at least ya know there is censoring. Australia just miss reports like you would believe, like literally opposite to facts

Like or dislike Lauren Southern, she went to a no go zone here, cops pull her up and say they will arrest her if she does.. Media 'nice police officer tells LS how good multiculturalism is and she couldn't find non existing no go zone'

She did a 3hr interview and ACA could only air a 5 minute segment with less than 2 minutes of her talking

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/25/17488336/starbucks-plastic-straw-ban-ocean-pollution
Why does no one talk about hemp to replace plastics?

because hemp is that evil drug marijuana

the marinarols

dont inject

pls

who wants to hear offensive jokes

OH ME!!! love some offensive jokes

Germany is worse off in terms of censorship than most of the eu because of the anti nazi laws that were put in place after the war

XD lol its like they learned othing from the horror of authoritarian regeimes

Well originally they were put there to contain the people who still were commited nazis after the war from rioting

But nowadays they are really only helping the right play victim

I still really surprised that I can not view styxhexenhammers channel in germany.

wow

about styx i mean

lol yeah i mean nazis are not nice

I did Nazi that coming

did jew?

XD

“ Paul Manafort trail: High stakes for Robert Mueller in first test of 14-month inquiry “ on USA Today

This article pretends that a conviction of Manafort, which they admit has nothing to do with Trump, the 2016 election, or Russian interference, would somehow validate the Mueller investigation as anything other than a desperate witch hunt. 14 months, and this is all they could do? Sad.

http://archive.today/OYvUD

SAD

whats grosser than a pile of dead babies?

2 piles of dead babies

The one alive baby trying to eat their way out of the pile

Harvey Weinstein

Damn, haven’t heard a dead baby joke in ages.

two piles of dead babies!

What’s red, blue, silver, and stumbles around?

A dead baby zombie with a fork in its eye.

whats worse than a dead baby tied to a tree?

a dead baby tied to two trees

Should this chat be changed from <#398858182455459853> to #Dead-Baby-Jokes ?

nah with the current news method, dead baby jokes are just considered "fake news"

^^^^^^^ that is the most offensive dead baby joke I’ve ever heard. I disavow.

my youtube partner manager called "liberals get the bikelock too" a dog whistle

lolol

Im like, uh, its making fun of people who want to kill liberals

did you show him photos of the graffiti that inspired the shirt?

complete with hammer and sickle?

no i explained its mocking authoritarian communism

but it is a dog whistle I guess, only people who follow politics will get it

but esoteric is a better term

a picture is worth 1000 words. better send him the picture as an ass covering measure

a dog whistle to who?

accuse him of assuming your audiences species!

🐶

maybe we are all dogs and his youtube partner is exposing us 🤔

any more info on the accounts that facebook removed re: potential election meddling? seems really weird to me that people are OK with facebook working hand-in-hand with the FBI to police political content on their platform.

@Grenade123 WOOF!!

<:timcat:463067464016855040>

also i got youtube memberships

finally

which is cool but shitty

basically

Its the beanie king! *pant pant* gives us youtube treats!

ppl can pay 5$ per month and I get 3.50$

ouch

youtubers version of patreon

buuuuut

damn

I bet a ton of people who subscribe wont click over to patreon

Sounds like subscriptions on twitch

so its 1% of 200k gave 5$ = 2000x 3.5$ = 7,000/m

at least they let you keep a shekel

http://www.euronews.com/2018/07/31/romania-confiscates-swedish-number-plate-that-insulted-government

Do you get more benefits if you have a membership... like more safety from deleting your channel or banning you from livestreaming?

Tim you beat me down enough times with those early-video herdings to your Patreon that i had to do it

@athene that pice of news haven't reached the main swedish news yet from what I have seen. Haven't looked at the far left news

i wasn't sure where to place it to be honest... shitposting would be appropriate too

Are people that use the term „dog whistle“ worth talking to?

The term probably has valid application somewhere

anyway... the guy is without plates in different country and he should have his money back... i mean... imgine what he has to go trough to get new licence plates to even drive a car now... and I wonder how far is sweden from romania

Almost all terms have valid application... but there are some terms that are almost exclusively used by people that are absolutely not worth talking to.

From capital to capital it's 2700km

And the license plate... thats 1) stupid and 2) scary.

It's a valid plate in all of EU so not sure what the problem is possible the "FUCK" on the plate

But the swedish ambasy in romania have stated this "- Owners of personalised car plates should bring the original plates, in order to have the possibility to change them in case the receiving country do not accept the personalised plate. "

https://www.facebook.com/SverigesAmbassadiBukarest/posts/1549120841859252

they have canceled them in sweden too....

I wonder if there are limits in sweden what you can write on personalised licence plates..

Yes there is a limit to what can be on a personalised licence plates

@Timcast Between Patreon, YouTube, etc. What is the most efficient way to help contribute?