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2018-07-09 08:25:36 UTC

It's worth keeping in mind, each of these police departments are a separate entity.

2018-07-09 08:26:02 UTC

some aren't nearly as bad as others.

2018-07-09 08:27:09 UTC

police departments is just *corporations* at the end of the day. time to start holding them by the same standards/expectations/liabilities that we expect of friendly neighborhood businesses and other companies that we CHOOSE to do businesses with in the true name of pro-consumer-choice

2018-07-09 08:27:51 UTC

You haven't explained how a security firm would operate differently.

2018-07-09 08:28:45 UTC

need a more effective mechanism to shut down abusive police departments, and yes, i have already... not goign to repeat myself over and over

2018-07-09 08:29:41 UTC

im leaving at this now, where we have found common ground, etc .... logging out now. good night

2018-07-09 08:30:20 UTC

That's the 3rd time you said you are going to go off

2018-07-09 08:31:01 UTC

i know... smh πŸ˜”

2018-07-09 10:42:45 UTC

someones getting off i hear? πŸ˜‰

2018-07-09 12:17:52 UTC

"'HUGS, NOT BULLETS': Mexico's New President Reveals Plan To Stop Drug Cartels"

2018-07-09 12:18:22 UTC

Mexico is showing how id look if Bernie would have won.....

2018-07-09 12:21:06 UTC

funny tho, Mexico is basically ancap dream made manifest πŸ˜‰ and its a hellhole

2018-07-09 12:21:31 UTC

and now showing the fruits i promised it would,

Its switching socialist hugbox

2018-07-09 12:55:28 UTC

Pretty much, a nation with a govt. Justice has to be paid for. Private security (the cartels) that only protect payers.

2018-07-09 12:55:39 UTC

A govt that is more bark than bite.

2018-07-09 13:47:33 UTC

@Dr.Wol "but thats not real ancap"

2018-07-09 13:47:38 UTC

no joke, been told that

2018-07-09 13:47:44 UTC

was in an ancap server once

2018-07-09 13:48:24 UTC

quit once i had debunked enough stuff and they started just ignoring the results of the argument and then going to a new person and try to bring it up again

2018-07-09 13:49:04 UTC

i asked them "why not go to Somalia? Surely it is easier to start your dream there than make the US more ancap?"

2018-07-09 13:49:08 UTC


2018-07-09 13:49:14 UTC

Somalia, Ancap paradise

2018-07-09 13:49:27 UTC

no government, as opposed to a weak one in Mexico

2018-07-09 13:49:51 UTC

and they would then start lining up similar excuses leftists do as to why they don't move to venezuela

2018-07-09 13:52:14 UTC

It would be funny to actually witness an ancap circlejerk i think

"Ugh, damn government, we would be so good by now"
"We wud be Kaangzz"
"Yeah, fuck the government and the workers"
"Yeah! we would make the world so great"

2018-07-09 13:54:02 UTC

I can see if my friend who is still in it can give you a link

2018-07-09 13:54:09 UTC

idk if they still argue as much since i left

2018-07-09 13:54:24 UTC

they didn't take kindly to me twisting their own logic around on them

2018-07-09 13:54:42 UTC

making them realize that no, god doesn't actually dictate who's land is who's

2018-07-09 13:55:23 UTC

actually managed to get one to be a little less an-cap when i made him realize that what is his property is basically what i agree is his property.

2018-07-09 13:55:48 UTC

otherwise its just whatever you currently possess at the time/can defend

2018-07-09 13:56:06 UTC

i.e., if you leave your house, its no longer YOUR house unless i agree that it is your house

2018-07-09 14:08:32 UTC

unless you leave someone to enforce your claim to the house

2018-07-09 14:08:48 UTC

and even if you don't leave your house, if i don't agree, i can come take it

2018-07-09 14:08:55 UTC

try to atleast

2018-07-09 14:09:08 UTC

but i get your point

2018-07-09 14:09:43 UTC

well if you leave someone to enforce your claim, its technically THEIR house unless they agree to give it back once you return....or you oust them.

2018-07-09 14:09:56 UTC

well, yes, technically

2018-07-09 14:10:39 UTC

boy did that Russel some jimmies, because most of them agreed the foundation of most forms of government came out of necessity to set private property rules

2018-07-09 14:11:24 UTC

so having to admit that you need to cooperate with your neighbors to define what is private property, lead way to having some kind of local government.

2018-07-09 14:11:25 UTC

yeah, thats a thing ancaps conveniently forget,
Government is there to enforce peoples claim to their property

2018-07-09 14:11:58 UTC

and what happens when when a bunch of local governments group up? you get a larger government

2018-07-09 14:12:04 UTC

I mentioned this yesterdy in the debate channel when arguing with poptart about ancaps

Ancaps pretty much just want their own smaller government where they think they will be king

2018-07-09 14:12:21 UTC

and so on, and so on, until i disproved their idea that government has no rightful claim to do what it is doing.

2018-07-09 14:12:23 UTC

but those get swept away by a bigger collective

2018-07-09 14:12:49 UTC

and then they tuned out, forgot what we just talked about, and said to new people "the government is not legitimate"

2018-07-09 14:13:00 UTC

In an Ancap world,

Negan is king

2018-07-09 14:13:22 UTC

i also argued that what they wanted was a return to tribalism.

2018-07-09 14:13:27 UTC

which they tried to tell me no

2018-07-09 14:13:47 UTC

the warlord with the biggest collective following him, will just crush any Ancap group, take their stuff, expand and conquer more
Until you have an Empire under their new Emperor (the warlord)

2018-07-09 14:13:47 UTC

but couldn't explain how

2018-07-09 14:14:00 UTC


2018-07-09 14:14:10 UTC

"but community defense!" they cried

2018-07-09 14:14:40 UTC

which, to an extent, and armed population is much harder to conquer

2018-07-09 14:14:59 UTC

See how community defense works when the US military tramples through your front door

In an ancap world theres no "country" so its just small communities

2018-07-09 14:15:03 UTC

but you still need a military to answer another military

2018-07-09 14:15:18 UTC

Iraq stood a better defense against a country like America than an Ancap society ever will

2018-07-09 14:15:20 UTC

just small communities, aka tribalism

2018-07-09 14:15:23 UTC


2018-07-09 14:15:28 UTC

tribe-sized small communities

2018-07-09 14:15:48 UTC

that was my next argument, that going back to tribalism, we will just progress back to here most likely.

2018-07-09 14:15:56 UTC

so why not fix now

2018-07-09 14:15:57 UTC

An armed population is far harder to conquer assuming you're not willing to go all razed earth on them

2018-07-09 14:16:28 UTC

but its the same falacy

"If people just did what I want, things would work out"

In socialist utopia, everyone gladly works to the max, during all time
In Ancap utopia, everyone works and theres no hostilities between people

2018-07-09 14:16:29 UTC

razed earth really doesn't do anyone any good

2018-07-09 14:16:38 UTC

unless you are really afraid of them

2018-07-09 14:16:44 UTC

or just spiteful

2018-07-09 14:16:44 UTC

Or are just after the land

2018-07-09 14:16:59 UTC

what is the point of land if you have destroyed all the resources

2018-07-09 14:16:59 UTC

the uk government is falling appart

2018-07-09 14:17:12 UTC

anyone else paying attention to that?

2018-07-09 14:17:13 UTC

You don't have to destroy all the resources to wipe out the population

2018-07-09 14:17:22 UTC


2018-07-09 14:17:27 UTC

Idiots those brits

2018-07-09 14:18:33 UTC

the uk might be the next place that tim needs to go to depending on what happens in the neer future

2018-07-09 14:18:38 UTC

I legit was in support of brexit and hoped them the best because britain was in an ideal trading position,
And with Trumps Tarrif war, Russian/European relations in the tub due to "muuh, Russia", and the migrant problem

Britains position at the table is a golden throne vs a nylon carpet

2018-07-09 14:19:02 UTC

but looking at how the brits are dealing this, i'll laugh at every bad thing that happens to them

2018-07-09 14:19:33 UTC

unfortunately a good portion of my friends are british so i cant laugh much

2018-07-09 14:20:04 UTC

they have to live with this mind you

2018-07-09 14:20:06 UTC

wouldn't it be hilarious if Sargoyle is forced to go into politics cuz his country is falling appart? πŸ˜‚

2018-07-09 14:20:06 UTC

laugh and offer them refuge

2018-07-09 14:20:21 UTC

and by go into politics i mean, Sargoyle MP

2018-07-09 14:20:28 UTC


2018-07-09 14:20:34 UTC


2018-07-09 14:20:43 UTC

he already WAS forced into politics, its just a matter of time or lack of a better option

2018-07-09 14:20:53 UTC

i dont want the united states to become the last refuge for european peoples. thats literally the opposite to what i want xD

2018-07-09 14:21:02 UTC

MP of Akkad

2018-07-09 14:21:33 UTC

sargon will never be forced into politics

2018-07-09 14:21:48 UTC

hes very good at avoiding commitment

2018-07-09 14:21:54 UTC

he alraedy is forced into politics

Its only a matter of time before he'll become a candidate for office

2018-07-09 14:22:10 UTC

your not in politics until your a candidate

2018-07-09 14:22:26 UTC

he joined UKIP and is giving pro-british UKIP promotions

2018-07-09 14:23:05 UTC

wouldn't that be hillarious? if it ends up with Sargon in downing streat, drinking tea wearing a pepe shirt?

2018-07-09 14:23:07 UTC

joining a political party doesent make you in politics otherwise most people in democracys are in politics

2018-07-09 14:23:26 UTC

the moment you partake in any political discussion/action/party, you are intwined into politics

2018-07-09 14:23:40 UTC

fuck im in politics right now then as are you

2018-07-09 14:23:43 UTC


2018-07-09 14:23:44 UTC

we are

2018-07-09 14:24:29 UTC

thats an assinine way to look at things but if thats the way you think then thats your perspective

2018-07-09 14:24:51 UTC

from my perspective sargon will never be legitamently in politics until he runs for a position in governemnt

2018-07-09 14:25:07 UTC

@Arch-Fiend we could always be like trump and simply ask "why can't be just invade the UK"

2018-07-09 14:25:34 UTC

if things dont get any better it might become an option

2018-07-09 14:26:08 UTC

im starting to think basicly its decided that labour will be the next governemnt in briton by no contest

2018-07-09 14:26:15 UTC

so the fact he's getting more people interested in politics and due to him more people are joining the UKIP party etc

Thus promoting a political faction, is not him being in politics?

And me thinking it is, is assinine?

2018-07-09 14:27:05 UTC

its him being an activist but not being a politician

2018-07-09 14:27:21 UTC

being into politics != being a politician

2018-07-09 14:27:22 UTC

You can be both

2018-07-09 14:27:50 UTC

you can be both, but from my perspective your not in politics until your in politics

2018-07-09 14:28:04 UTC

well i can't argue with that πŸ˜›

2018-07-09 14:28:41 UTC

i think were actually having an issue where i have 2 definitions of politics

2018-07-09 14:28:52 UTC

so i think i should appoligize

2018-07-09 14:28:58 UTC

I think once you hold some influence in changing people's mind in politics, you are pretty much political

2018-07-09 14:29:25 UTC

when im talking about sargon being in politics i mean big P Politics rather than small p politics

2018-07-09 14:29:36 UTC

same, the moment you partake, you influence, hence you are taking part in politics
Thus you are being political

2018-07-09 14:30:02 UTC

i think im being semantic

2018-07-09 14:30:18 UTC

I think I get what you mean

2018-07-09 14:30:42 UTC

But we don't know the reason for them in joining UKIP

2018-07-09 14:31:00 UTC

but theres a notion of being IN politics while also theres a notion of being political outside of politics, sargon has actually been political practicly ever since he made a youtube

2018-07-09 14:31:43 UTC

we are arguing over semantics i think

You just don't consider Sargon to be active in the realm of real life politics

2018-07-09 14:31:43 UTC

And even though they might not get a position in the government and stuff, he could still be a grassroot for the party

2018-07-09 14:32:19 UTC

he's not running for office etc, and trying to change the normie world physically

2018-07-09 14:33:19 UTC

hes been a pundit for his own political ideology ever since gamer gate however in more recent times hes flirted with closer with the actual political system of his country though never actually commited to it. even him joining ukip wasent really a big deal, you have to ask yourself, how many people do you watch on youtube who are registered voters? because thats really all he became no more no less

2018-07-09 14:34:11 UTC

true, in that regard he isn't partaking in politics

2018-07-09 14:36:19 UTC

he pundit for brexit, pundit for theresa may now hes punditing for ukip with the added context hes a registered voter, hes not simply saying what he is doing now but also saying what he thinks other people should do but at the same time hes still not a foci of the responcibility of governence of the people yet to any degree

2018-07-09 14:37:05 UTC

true, but he's famous so his activities do inspire people to take action

2018-07-09 14:37:37 UTC

sure but it would be even more inspiring if he was a leader more than a cheer leader

2018-07-09 14:38:29 UTC

well, with his occasional stage shows, and speeches he does a bit of that.

But the rest of the time, yes he's waiving his kekistani pompoms at western values

2018-07-09 14:38:31 UTC

and thats sort of my arguement that hes very good at avoiding that commitment

2018-07-09 14:38:37 UTC


2018-07-09 14:38:43 UTC

cuz he doesn't want to do them πŸ˜„

2018-07-09 14:40:06 UTC

ofcourse, he wants other people to do it for him but he creates an illusion to a lot of people that what he does is very important and very influincing, but in truth no ones lives are directly effected by his ability to make critical choices

2018-07-09 14:41:29 UTC

When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all πŸ˜‰

2018-07-09 14:42:04 UTC

I don't think sargon is that big of a name to influence change on a large scale

2018-07-09 14:42:24 UTC

back to the whole uk thing, if anyone is interested, i think as it is right now its very important to look at what labour does in the future because i dont really have any idea how the torys could posibly hold themselves together without support

2018-07-09 14:42:49 UTC

labour is conservatives right?

2018-07-09 14:43:55 UTC

they might all be leftists compared to the US

2018-07-09 14:44:24 UTC

torys are conseritives

2018-07-09 14:44:40 UTC

torys vs labour is like democrats vs progressives here in the states

2018-07-09 14:44:55 UTC

neolibs vs socialists

2018-07-09 14:44:57 UTC

labor is socialists, Jeremy Corbin thinks Cuba is utopia

2018-07-09 14:46:02 UTC


2018-07-09 14:46:32 UTC

i think that labour is crazy but at this point maybe an insane person is better than an evil person

2018-07-09 14:47:14 UTC

if you can strip away a lot of the antinativist shit from labour that would certainly help too

2018-07-09 14:47:21 UTC

How insane?

2018-07-09 14:48:12 UTC

i havent really thought about labour in a while i really remember a lot of batshit stuff from the last election though, just not the details

2018-07-09 14:48:15 UTC

is cuba no longer under a dictatorship?

2018-07-09 14:48:31 UTC


2018-07-09 14:50:43 UTC

once again, men are better than women in everything, apparently

2018-07-09 14:52:06 UTC

its unfortunate a lot of it has to be transgender stuff

2018-07-09 14:52:23 UTC

my people are sadly retarded when they get into politics

2018-07-09 14:53:47 UTC

this nigga be labour as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadiq_Khan

2018-07-09 14:54:12 UTC

ah yes, mr knife attacks

2018-07-09 14:56:00 UTC

sad dick

2018-07-09 14:56:15 UTC

Well, if his best insult to the US is a balloon

2018-07-09 14:56:25 UTC

Well, id say, where did that British wit go?

2018-07-09 14:56:42 UTC

hes not british

2018-07-09 14:56:46 UTC

so probably that

2018-07-09 14:56:52 UTC

i mean, i like him. He is just proving the point that taking away guns doesn't stop violent crime

2018-07-09 14:57:21 UTC

as London overtakes NYC over homicide

2018-07-09 14:57:28 UTC

you like him? wtf why?

2018-07-09 14:57:46 UTC

the knife thing isint his only problem

2018-07-09 14:57:56 UTC

hes an extreme intersectionalist

2018-07-09 14:58:19 UTC

did you fail to see why i like him? its because he is failing

2018-07-09 14:58:27 UTC

oh πŸ˜›

2018-07-09 14:58:32 UTC

and proving a point for me

2018-07-09 14:58:36 UTC

munroe bergdorf does not like to be called a racist? why would that be? i mean... she is one... but why would you dislike to be called a racist? i can't get my head around that πŸ˜’

2018-07-09 14:59:01 UTC

so anti-gun activities can no longer point to London

2018-07-09 14:59:10 UTC

only white people can be racist

2018-07-09 14:59:14 UTC


2018-07-09 14:59:41 UTC

maybe we should take that back, like make it a thing of pride like "hey! only we get to be racist here"

2018-07-09 15:00:22 UTC

the anti-gun debate stopped forever, when London with having a gun ban and KNIFE ban
bypassed New fucking York City in murder rate per capita

2018-07-09 15:00:48 UTC

yes, i fucked that up so badly sentence

2018-07-09 15:01:05 UTC

guy ends stop and search because he thinks its racist, crime skyrockets, does stop and search more than ever

2018-07-09 15:01:39 UTC

guy agrees that white suprimicy is the main problem of bicyclists

2018-07-09 15:02:25 UTC

london is the sanctuary city of the uk from what my friends in the uk tell me

2018-07-09 15:02:31 UTC

fuck up the sentence you did my young padawan

2018-07-09 15:03:36 UTC

from personal experience: london is ugly and the only good food is german currywurst πŸ˜„

2018-07-09 15:04:03 UTC

british food is not exactly known for being good

2018-07-09 15:04:21 UTC

it's not? πŸ˜„

2018-07-09 15:04:32 UTC

not when the french and Italians are only a stone throw away

2018-07-09 15:04:59 UTC

i don't like frog... but italian is good πŸ˜„

2018-07-09 15:06:36 UTC

isn't british food just baked potato's stuffed with butter
Followed by goat meat shoved into a sheeps stomach?

2018-07-09 15:07:21 UTC

that last one is scottish

2018-07-09 15:07:31 UTC

the one before it is irish

2018-07-09 15:07:34 UTC

last i checked, scotland is british though

2018-07-09 15:07:45 UTC

no scotland is part of the uk

2018-07-09 15:07:46 UTC

that's Irish and Scottish, yeah

2018-07-09 15:07:57 UTC

true, should say English food

2018-07-09 15:08:29 UTC

idk if the people from scotland or whales call themselves British

2018-07-09 15:08:33 UTC

or northern ireland

2018-07-09 15:08:36 UTC

i guess scotland might be british idfk, british isle, british people, english people

2018-07-09 15:08:47 UTC

but should say English

2018-07-09 15:10:36 UTC

the land of britanishland

2018-07-09 15:19:22 UTC

the English had bad food, i leave the people who they conquered alone

2018-07-09 15:23:54 UTC

Britain is the Island (Scotland, England Wales)
UK is with Northern Ireland added

2018-07-09 15:24:40 UTC

actually all of Ireland it seems

2018-07-09 15:24:44 UTC

much to the dismay of the IRA

2018-07-09 15:25:05 UTC

fml this is confusing πŸ˜„

2018-07-09 15:25:09 UTC

you have the UK, which is what i said

2018-07-09 15:25:19 UTC

and you also have the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

2018-07-09 15:25:25 UTC

which is both brits and ireland

2018-07-09 15:25:34 UTC

lets just say England

2018-07-09 15:25:46 UTC

bad dental care land? πŸ˜„

2018-07-09 15:45:15 UTC

Hey! Not all is bad, They brought us Fish and chips!

2018-07-09 15:45:37 UTC

So lads

2018-07-09 15:45:49 UTC

Anyone watching the brexplosion ?

2018-07-09 15:46:09 UTC

So far today knives are out

2018-07-09 15:46:12 UTC


2018-07-09 15:46:49 UTC


2018-07-09 15:51:18 UTC

Brexplosion! clever one πŸ˜„

2018-07-09 16:01:01 UTC

Well its implosion of government due brexit

2018-07-09 16:01:20 UTC

And my end with split of the party

2018-07-09 16:01:33 UTC

Because i dont see how will they make up lol

2018-07-09 16:03:46 UTC

Are the knives over 3in because anything longer than that is illegal right

2018-07-09 16:04:02 UTC

Besides what do you need kitchen knives for anyway

2018-07-09 16:11:02 UTC

That might actually be reason why its so bizarre to watch

2018-07-09 16:14:48 UTC

If you go on amazon.co.uk you can find plastic knives with the warning that you need to be over 18 to buy them.

2018-07-09 16:16:43 UTC

you got a license for that?

2018-07-09 16:19:05 UTC

@zutt we were talking about the brexplotion earlier

2018-07-09 16:19:07 UTC

so dank/sargon/pjw join ukip and the brexit MPs resign, wtf is going on ?

2018-07-09 16:21:15 UTC

these events are quite unrelated and only noted for hyperbole, and to stir discussion... begin

2018-07-09 16:22:28 UTC

to whats happening now

2018-07-09 16:23:02 UTC

Lotheron :Well aside from ukip having chance to climb back into public popularity its not connected.

2018-07-09 16:23:15 UTC

I think both sides cheated

2018-07-09 16:23:17 UTC

I know its not

2018-07-09 16:23:20 UTC


2018-07-09 16:23:30 UTC

but its a very oddd time in British Politics

2018-07-09 16:23:41 UTC

without a doubt, imo, fyi

2018-07-09 16:23:51 UTC

Imo its the fact brexit side had never any plan

2018-07-09 16:24:14 UTC

And were fundemantalist in their ideology not willing to compromise

2018-07-09 16:25:31 UTC

The only way to deliver the propper brexit was have hard border in Ireland

2018-07-09 16:25:44 UTC

But those weaklings never admited it

2018-07-09 16:25:49 UTC

now is a good time for all competitors with whats happening, but, i think it will be VERY important to watch what labour does in the neer future with these events. as nice as the opening this creates in politics looks, that doesent mean that its a clear shot to the top for 3rd partys, theres still going to be dealings between torys and labour right soon and that will have some effect on both the growth of the 3rd partys and the direction of the nation

2018-07-09 16:26:20 UTC

Yeah it was like this forever

2018-07-09 16:27:37 UTC

honestly a lot of the rank and file of the brexiters probably had more of a plan than the brexiters in parlament

2018-07-09 16:28:54 UTC

ive heard a lot of laypeople who were fine with the idea of having brexit even at the cost of the uk

2018-07-09 16:30:37 UTC

basicly they would have taken leaving the eu over losing north ireland, scotland, and wales

2018-07-09 16:40:22 UTC

I have seen this earlier

2018-07-09 16:40:50 UTC

The problem is that dave has no fuken clue what he is talking about

2018-07-09 16:41:05 UTC

So it all amounts to mantra eu = bad

2018-07-09 16:42:18 UTC

ye sounds about right

2018-07-09 16:42:36 UTC

the EU is great when it comes to making money

2018-07-09 16:42:42 UTC

shit at everything else

2018-07-09 16:43:16 UTC

Well i for one enjoy the fact i can work all over eu and have no problem traveling thrugh

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