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It's worth keeping in mind, each of these police departments are a separate entity.
some aren't nearly as bad as others.
police departments is just *corporations* at the end of the day. time to start holding them by the same standards/expectations/liabilities that we expect of friendly neighborhood businesses and other companies that we CHOOSE to do businesses with in the true name of pro-consumer-choice
You haven't explained how a security firm would operate differently.
need a more effective mechanism to shut down abusive police departments, and yes, i have already... not goign to repeat myself over and over
im leaving at this now, where we have found common ground, etc .... logging out now. good night
That's the 3rd time you said you are going to go off
i know... smh 😔
someones getting off i hear? 😉
"'HUGS, NOT BULLETS': Mexico's New President Reveals Plan To Stop Drug Cartels"
Mexico is showing how id look if Bernie would have won.....
funny tho, Mexico is basically ancap dream made manifest 😉 and its a hellhole
and now showing the fruits i promised it would,
Its switching socialist hugbox
Pretty much, a nation with a govt. Justice has to be paid for. Private security (the cartels) that only protect payers.
A govt that is more bark than bite.
no joke, been told that
was in an ancap server once
quit once i had debunked enough stuff and they started just ignoring the results of the argument and then going to a new person and try to bring it up again
i asked them "why not go to Somalia? Surely it is easier to start your dream there than make the US more ancap?"
Somalia, Ancap paradise
no government, as opposed to a weak one in Mexico
and they would then start lining up similar excuses leftists do as to why they don't move to venezuela
It would be funny to actually witness an ancap circlejerk i think
"Ugh, damn government, we would be so good by now"
"We wud be Kaangzz"
"Yeah, fuck the government and the workers"
"Yeah! we would make the world so great"
I can see if my friend who is still in it can give you a link
idk if they still argue as much since i left
they didn't take kindly to me twisting their own logic around on them
making them realize that no, god doesn't actually dictate who's land is who's
actually managed to get one to be a little less an-cap when i made him realize that what is his property is basically what i agree is his property.
otherwise its just whatever you currently possess at the time/can defend
i.e., if you leave your house, its no longer YOUR house unless i agree that it is your house
unless you leave someone to enforce your claim to the house
and even if you don't leave your house, if i don't agree, i can come take it
try to atleast
but i get your point
well if you leave someone to enforce your claim, its technically THEIR house unless they agree to give it back once you return....or you oust them.
well, yes, technically
boy did that Russel some jimmies, because most of them agreed the foundation of most forms of government came out of necessity to set private property rules
so having to admit that you need to cooperate with your neighbors to define what is private property, lead way to having some kind of local government.
yeah, thats a thing ancaps conveniently forget,
Government is there to enforce peoples claim to their property
and what happens when when a bunch of local governments group up? you get a larger government
I mentioned this yesterdy in the debate channel when arguing with poptart about ancaps
Ancaps pretty much just want their own smaller government where they think they will be king
and so on, and so on, until i disproved their idea that government has no rightful claim to do what it is doing.
but those get swept away by a bigger collective
and then they tuned out, forgot what we just talked about, and said to new people "the government is not legitimate"
In an Ancap world,
Negan is king
i also argued that what they wanted was a return to tribalism.
which they tried to tell me no
the warlord with the biggest collective following him, will just crush any Ancap group, take their stuff, expand and conquer more
Until you have an Empire under their new Emperor (the warlord)
but couldn't explain how
"but community defense!" they cried
which, to an extent, and armed population is much harder to conquer
See how community defense works when the US military tramples through your front door
In an ancap world theres no "country" so its just small communities
but you still need a military to answer another military
Iraq stood a better defense against a country like America than an Ancap society ever will
just small communities, aka tribalism
tribe-sized small communities
that was my next argument, that going back to tribalism, we will just progress back to here most likely.
so why not fix now
An armed population is far harder to conquer assuming you're not willing to go all razed earth on them
but its the same falacy
"If people just did what I want, things would work out"
In socialist utopia, everyone gladly works to the max, during all time
In Ancap utopia, everyone works and theres no hostilities between people
razed earth really doesn't do anyone any good
unless you are really afraid of them
or just spiteful
Or are just after the land
what is the point of land if you have destroyed all the resources
the uk government is falling appart
anyone else paying attention to that?
You don't have to destroy all the resources to wipe out the population
Idiots those brits
the uk might be the next place that tim needs to go to depending on what happens in the neer future
I legit was in support of brexit and hoped them the best because britain was in an ideal trading position,
And with Trumps Tarrif war, Russian/European relations in the tub due to "muuh, Russia", and the migrant problem
Britains position at the table is a golden throne vs a nylon carpet
but looking at how the brits are dealing this, i'll laugh at every bad thing that happens to them
unfortunately a good portion of my friends are british so i cant laugh much
they have to live with this mind you
wouldn't it be hilarious if Sargoyle is forced to go into politics cuz his country is falling appart? 😂
laugh and offer them refuge
and by go into politics i mean, Sargoyle MP
he already WAS forced into politics, its just a matter of time or lack of a better option
i dont want the united states to become the last refuge for european peoples. thats literally the opposite to what i want xD
MP of Akkad
sargon will never be forced into politics
hes very good at avoiding commitment
he alraedy is forced into politics
Its only a matter of time before he'll become a candidate for office
your not in politics until your a candidate
he joined UKIP and is giving pro-british UKIP promotions
wouldn't that be hillarious? if it ends up with Sargon in downing streat, drinking tea wearing a pepe shirt?
joining a political party doesent make you in politics otherwise most people in democracys are in politics
the moment you partake in any political discussion/action/party, you are intwined into politics
fuck im in politics right now then as are you
thats an assinine way to look at things but if thats the way you think then thats your perspective
from my perspective sargon will never be legitamently in politics until he runs for a position in governemnt
@Arch-Fiend we could always be like trump and simply ask "why can't be just invade the UK"
if things dont get any better it might become an option
im starting to think basicly its decided that labour will be the next governemnt in briton by no contest
so the fact he's getting more people interested in politics and due to him more people are joining the UKIP party etc
Thus promoting a political faction, is not him being in politics?
And me thinking it is, is assinine?
its him being an activist but not being a politician
being into politics != being a politician
You can be both
you can be both, but from my perspective your not in politics until your in politics
well i can't argue with that 😛
i think were actually having an issue where i have 2 definitions of politics
so i think i should appoligize
I think once you hold some influence in changing people's mind in politics, you are pretty much political
when im talking about sargon being in politics i mean big P Politics rather than small p politics
same, the moment you partake, you influence, hence you are taking part in politics
Thus you are being political
i think im being semantic
I think I get what you mean
But we don't know the reason for them in joining UKIP
but theres a notion of being IN politics while also theres a notion of being political outside of politics, sargon has actually been political practicly ever since he made a youtube
we are arguing over semantics i think
You just don't consider Sargon to be active in the realm of real life politics
And even though they might not get a position in the government and stuff, he could still be a grassroot for the party
he's not running for office etc, and trying to change the normie world physically
hes been a pundit for his own political ideology ever since gamer gate however in more recent times hes flirted with closer with the actual political system of his country though never actually commited to it. even him joining ukip wasent really a big deal, you have to ask yourself, how many people do you watch on youtube who are registered voters? because thats really all he became no more no less
true, in that regard he isn't partaking in politics
he pundit for brexit, pundit for theresa may now hes punditing for ukip with the added context hes a registered voter, hes not simply saying what he is doing now but also saying what he thinks other people should do but at the same time hes still not a foci of the responcibility of governence of the people yet to any degree
true, but he's famous so his activities do inspire people to take action
sure but it would be even more inspiring if he was a leader more than a cheer leader
well, with his occasional stage shows, and speeches he does a bit of that.
But the rest of the time, yes he's waiving his kekistani pompoms at western values
and thats sort of my arguement that hes very good at avoiding that commitment
cuz he doesn't want to do them 😄
ofcourse, he wants other people to do it for him but he creates an illusion to a lot of people that what he does is very important and very influincing, but in truth no ones lives are directly effected by his ability to make critical choices
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all 😉
I don't think sargon is that big of a name to influence change on a large scale
back to the whole uk thing, if anyone is interested, i think as it is right now its very important to look at what labour does in the future because i dont really have any idea how the torys could posibly hold themselves together without support
labour is conservatives right?
they might all be leftists compared to the US
torys are conseritives
torys vs labour is like democrats vs progressives here in the states
neolibs vs socialists
labor is socialists, Jeremy Corbin thinks Cuba is utopia
i think that labour is crazy but at this point maybe an insane person is better than an evil person
if you can strip away a lot of the antinativist shit from labour that would certainly help too
i havent really thought about labour in a while i really remember a lot of batshit stuff from the last election though, just not the details
is cuba no longer under a dictatorship?
once again, men are better than women in everything, apparently
its unfortunate a lot of it has to be transgender stuff
my people are sadly retarded when they get into politics
this nigga be labour as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadiq_Khan
ah yes, mr knife attacks
Well, if his best insult to the US is a balloon
Well, id say, where did that British wit go?
hes not british
so probably that
i mean, i like him. He is just proving the point that taking away guns doesn't stop violent crime
as London overtakes NYC over homicide
you like him? wtf why?
the knife thing isint his only problem
hes an extreme intersectionalist
did you fail to see why i like him? its because he is failing
and proving a point for me
munroe bergdorf does not like to be called a racist? why would that be? i mean... she is one... but why would you dislike to be called a racist? i can't get my head around that 😒
so anti-gun activities can no longer point to London
only white people can be racist
maybe we should take that back, like make it a thing of pride like "hey! only we get to be racist here"
the anti-gun debate stopped forever, when London with having a gun ban and KNIFE ban
bypassed New fucking York City in murder rate per capita
yes, i fucked that up so badly sentence
guy ends stop and search because he thinks its racist, crime skyrockets, does stop and search more than ever
guy agrees that white suprimicy is the main problem of bicyclists
london is the sanctuary city of the uk from what my friends in the uk tell me
fuck up the sentence you did my young padawan
from personal experience: london is ugly and the only good food is german currywurst 😄
british food is not exactly known for being good
it's not? 😄
not when the french and Italians are only a stone throw away
i don't like frog... but italian is good 😄
isn't british food just baked potato's stuffed with butter
Followed by goat meat shoved into a sheeps stomach?
that last one is scottish
the one before it is irish
last i checked, scotland is british though
no scotland is part of the uk
that's Irish and Scottish, yeah
true, should say English food
idk if the people from scotland or whales call themselves British
or northern ireland
i guess scotland might be british idfk, british isle, british people, english people
but should say English
the land of britanishland
the English had bad food, i leave the people who they conquered alone
Britain is the Island (Scotland, England Wales)
UK is with Northern Ireland added
actually all of Ireland it seems
much to the dismay of the IRA
fml this is confusing 😄
you have the UK, which is what i said
and you also have the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
which is both brits and ireland
lets just say England
bad dental care land? 😄
Hey! Not all is bad, They brought us Fish and chips!
Anyone watching the brexplosion ?
So far today knives are out
Brexplosion! clever one 😄
Well its implosion of government due brexit
And my end with split of the party
Because i dont see how will they make up lol
Are the knives over 3in because anything longer than that is illegal right
Besides what do you need kitchen knives for anyway
That might actually be reason why its so bizarre to watch
If you go on amazon.co.uk you can find plastic knives with the warning that you need to be over 18 to buy them.
you got a license for that?
so dank/sargon/pjw join ukip and the brexit MPs resign, wtf is going on ?
these events are quite unrelated and only noted for hyperbole, and to stir discussion... begin
i wonder how relivent this was https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/04/vote-leave-cheated-will-people-mps-electoral-commission
to whats happening now
Lotheron :Well aside from ukip having chance to climb back into public popularity its not connected.
I think both sides cheated
I know its not
but its a very oddd time in British Politics
without a doubt, imo, fyi
Imo its the fact brexit side had never any plan
And were fundemantalist in their ideology not willing to compromise
The only way to deliver the propper brexit was have hard border in Ireland
But those weaklings never admited it
now is a good time for all competitors with whats happening, but, i think it will be VERY important to watch what labour does in the neer future with these events. as nice as the opening this creates in politics looks, that doesent mean that its a clear shot to the top for 3rd partys, theres still going to be dealings between torys and labour right soon and that will have some effect on both the growth of the 3rd partys and the direction of the nation
Yeah it was like this forever
honestly a lot of the rank and file of the brexiters probably had more of a plan than the brexiters in parlament
ive heard a lot of laypeople who were fine with the idea of having brexit even at the cost of the uk
basicly they would have taken leaving the eu over losing north ireland, scotland, and wales
I have seen this earlier
The problem is that dave has no fuken clue what he is talking about
So it all amounts to mantra eu = bad
ye sounds about right
the EU is great when it comes to making money
shit at everything else
Well i for one enjoy the fact i can work all over eu and have no problem traveling thrugh