#kex2020

Go away Commisar Bob dole 😛

obviously not lol

i see your reference! 😛

I promise a 100% policy on all laws.

I'm objective, yeah. I'm just objective about the human race. I deem it to be more important than the one of me.

And I'm completely comfortable with that.

We must go forward, not backward, upward, not downward, and always twirlling TWIRLLING TOWARDS FREEDOM

=p

Jane Goodall talked about altrusim too with her group of Chimps that she was with, and what she was reffering to was the acts they preformed willingly to help another person in their group achieve something and then move on, such as helping a young chim make an instrument to get ants, and then left it at that.

I read twerking at first.

That works too

but you are a human, and the human race is just a compound group of humans, so you are basically saying that humans matter so humanity matters so therefore I don't matter.

human individuals matter

therefore i matter

In reality, if the Earth was to suddenly blow up, the universe would move on.

Why does it have to be an either/or thing?

The human race is the perfect race, and we can not slay the filthy xenos until we get our own little mud ball under control

Jayred put that better than revolver ocelot did.

I'm just being objective and realistic on a smaller scale that I can influence

We could be out there expanding humanity yo diffrent worlds no joke we could

ofc i did, i'm the one arguing for the rationale here

We could have a colony on mars if we didnt endlessly fight each other

The miricles we humans can do when were not holding each other back over such petty things like race and religon

also Tim, i'm so sorry for giving you like a 5000 message Newsroom here 😛

We turned a world that was mostly plants to one of stone and electricity and knwoeldge.

i'm gonna go to bed, you all have fun with your american time

cheerios

Why the FUCK cant we get a simple thing like this settled?

I am human. I am part of the human race. More humans matter than one human. If given an ultimatum where one human has to die, or all have to die, and I have ten seconds to decide, I choose the rest of the humans to live.

and if we keep having whole groups of people rely on one person or one thing, like welfare; we aren't going to get to colonize Marz

Compared to curing cancer compared to the other miricles of humanity

Welfare is nothing.

Not that it would be an easy choice

I know i know >.>

We can't get to the stars if our foundation is crumbling at our feet.

I agree, curing cancer and such would be better, and a lot of the money that gets needlessly dumped into welfare could go towards that.

And I'd hate it. But I'd realize that the human race was so much more important than that one human.

i just...sometimes feel like screaming at humanity as a whole we have such power but we never use it

Individual lives _are_ important.

We already cured one kind of cancer

But not at the cost of others.

Of the majority of others.

two technically if you consider the hpv vacine a cure

Well, one is more important than the other.

I'm not saying not to help anyone, I'm all for helping someoen who has had a horrid accident at work which has left them unable to work, I'm not for helping some lazy idiot who would rather claim he can't work and just suck me dry of my tax money.

^

Generational welfare exists

the HPV thing is not really so much a cure as it is just a test to see how far it is

people whom have fathers and grandefathers whom never finished school whom never worked

and have dozens of children

I never said that selfishness was about sacrificing others for yourself

far from it

HPV is a virus everyone has, but now there is a test to see if it's going rogue or not

And I never said that you said that.

oh I agree generational welfare exists

So I guess impasse.

I know fourth generational welfare recipents, i tried to help him learn to read

he was 25

but you are implying it

>my mind thinks something, therefore it is

yes

"I can read your mind, and know without making any investigations."

no I'm not, I'm not selfish and neither is anyone else who wants to put food into their own kids mouths instead of paying for some idiot on welfare to get another dime bag or grab another 6 pack, or even just to pay for his mersedes payment

and no, it's not Altruism, because paying for that shit has to be willingly done, not forced to do it

well just from your previous statements you are talking about choosing between sacrificing 1 person and the rest of humanity, I'm assuming that the person is you because otherwise that choice would be trivial.

But anyway, this really is just a cycle of "my opinion", then "your opinion." I have no idea what logical conclusions you've come to to decide what you've decided, but I'll probably leave you to it here pretty soon.

Oh yeah, if I had to be sacrificed, then fuck yeah

Sign me up

If the alternative is everyone else

Its not just my opinion, I am giving my rationale and you are rejecting it.

"My rationale"

"My"

"Accept my opinion as I dress it up as irrefutable fact!"

no you aren't

"You don't see it as fact? But I cannot fathom!"

you are trying to guilt people into accepting that Altrusim's definition is to be leeched off ot

*of

and it's not

and it isn't working

no, altruism's definition is to allow yourself to be leeched off of.

no it's not

because it neccessitates a sacrifice.

it's definition is to willingly help a person

you are the one not wanting to see it for what it truly is and are trying to force people to see it your way.

but who says that a society can't be altruistic but the people not?

Basically, what I was trying to get at is this: if I have to sacrifice for the good of humanity, sign me up. I don't even care if I'm being leeched off of, it's a purposeful leeching I fully consent to. And if the situation were to ever arise, I would never, in a _million years_ think of only myself. I'd be apprehensive as all hell, but I wouldn't _not_ sacrifice.

if you force a person to pay for someone and have them be dependent on you, it's not Altruism

I'm giving a part of myself to something I believe in.

And that's the part absolutely no one could ever take away from me.

In any concievable situation.

The part of me _wanting_ to make changes for the betterment of my kind.

but you are included in your kind

so you still are not performing a sacrifice.

"One of us suffers, so all of us must suffer"

It sounds a lot like naivety.

> wants to not be a degenerate
> is degenerate

same

>>

I make the choice. And in the end, no one's going to take that choice away from me if the need ever arises.