I could become gay o.o

Hunger is the strongest emotion if you're hungry enough

I would like to reiterate. I consider selfishness to be a virtue because it is the means by which I pursue living on earth. That is what it means to be an objectivist.

what if i WANT to go to bed, but people disagree with me on the internet?

lol

provided that it is rational.

Greed is good.

then you are being altruistic by staying up lol

its 2:35 at night! y'all killing me

I'd say voluntary and self-aware sacrifice for the good of others, and truly _wanting_ to do it, isn't even remotely selfish.

now you are learning first hand that altruism is anti-life 😂

Ah but are you soing good and sacrificing for others, or for the good feeling from it?

becuase thats what virtue signaling is

exactly

thats the point

that is a selfish act

Can't I do both?

you can, but its still selfish

Sounds like a consequence that will happen, regardless of your motivation.

short anser no, with an if. Long answer n owith a but.

Nah, I disagree with you.

it can't be altruistic unless it is a duty.

No you just do what I do.

Refuse to get ANY benfit from it

It's selfish on one front, selfless on another.

if its a duty its not selflessness because it didnt come from free will but duty

Help someone and the only thing you ask is for them in turn to help one person

Just because there's a "negative", that doesn't somehow negate the positive.

If anyone compliments you, you down right refuse it and say its just a normal thing to do

nothing can be selfless if it's forced upon a person

Altruism definitely fucks with the gene pool at least

that is why communism is the prime example of an altruistic ideology. You must sacrifice everything you value for the people, and be given as little value as possible in return.

no its not

Alturism also has a goal for a group.

Helping one group to keep them dependant and weak helps your group

Look at the world right now, look at nato

communism is all about self interest, they do it because it benefits them, not because it benefits anyone else

Lol communism never says give up what you value pls

the leaders do

but the people give up everything.

all their land

Never forget that north korea has 6 work days

Different people lead different lives. I want to live a life I personally deem worth living in _my_ case. I wasn't swayed by some ideology, or some random guy spewing nationalistic propoganda. I weighed the world, and deemed myself to be the few, and the others, the many.

all their money

This doesn't exactly fit into a government type, though

and one day of non voluntary volunteer work for the nation at your job on the seventh

Bad stuff happens there

It keeps them to busy to hungry and to dependant on the next day for them to rise up

that is why it is important to allow rational self-interest to become a virtue. Because it leads to people taking the responsibility for their own lives.

yes it does

Rational self interest to me would be, someone smart enough to abuse the welfare system, because those idiots forcing welfare will give you free money that someone else earned for you

and why is taking responsibility for ones own life a bad thing?

the ultimate selfish ideology is libertarianism (or closer still, objectivism)

no because you are stealing money from someone else

I think everyone should keep their shit to themselves and be left alone

"virtue signalling" and "wanting to help for the sake of helping" can mingle together as one. I absolutely refuse to only ever think of myself. I do think about myself, of course. But that's not the only thing I think about.

so you are ultimately dependant on them.

no im not

I just don't prescribe to this idea that not being selfish is selfish.

Taxes.

you don't have to

No, dependant is not the word

if i don't need their money, but still take it, its for my benefit only

the welfare system needs an overhaul, there are SO MANY people on it that know how to play the system now, and keep people who actually work and pay taxes, struggling to pay their own shit

Personally interested

yes

A better title for that.

get rid of its non-essential parts

if you make helping people your goal, by pursuing it, you are being rationally self-interested.

omg, generational welfare is a think

thing*

A blanket-statement with little basis in reality.

abolish welfare.

GENERATIONAL WELLFARE take a wild guess what they vote?

so how in the hell is having people dependent on you for no reason other than they are lazy and are getting free money a selfless act

that yoru kids get welfare too

when you sit there and struggle to pay your bills and your rent and for your food and such, how is that selfless

it's not, that's being selfish

its selfish to pay your bills?

O.o

right, i'm off to bed, cuz this is just an endless cycle right now

you are being altruistic, the people dependent on you are ultimately looting from you.

that's them sucking you dry of money that coudl go into your childrens' mouths as food, that can cover them as clothing, that can shelter them as a house

Hello comrade I have a free helicopter ride for you

CONGRATULATIONS! YOU'VE WON!

looting isn't altruistic, but it is a consequence of altruism.

it's not altruistic, you can'r choosing to help them, you are being forced to give them your money while taking from your children's quality of life, as well as your own

*aren't

Welfare is a fucked and abused system, for sure.

this is just become a cycle of Revolver saying people are selfless for wanting to make people dependent on them

and wanting to make the human race better is a selfish act

and everyone else disagreeing with him

and you are taxing people that work and barely bring anytihng in to feed a lazy woman who has like 6 kids

y'all need to read some Ayn Rand. Then, you will understand my position.

who won't go out and work but would rather have children to get more welfare and get a bigger baby bonus

no, your position is just blabbering a bad position

Welfare is likely one portion of the breakdown of the nuclear family, which leads to poverty, which leads to crime.

Ayn Rands Objectivism is like Communism

Looks good on paper, but human nature will never make it work

the only thing forcing people to pay into a welfare system does, is it leaves a whole generation of people worse off.

Abortions for some, small americian flags for others

I'm going to have to say that I've seen nothing so far to convince me. Just because it makes sense to you, that doesn't somehow mean that it _has_ to make sense for someone else.

but objectivism is designed for human nature