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Exactly.
It makes things more interesting if there's multiple.
The more people you have, the more likely you get a snitch.
And the more sophisticated it becomes.
So you have to figure out, is 2 enough? That's not hard.
3
6?
As you go up, it gets much more sophisticated.
And there's a bigger surface area for investigations.
It also says there should be some care if the investigation only turns up one person and it turns out that one person couldn't have hand delivered it.
I still think it's not a false flag, and it's probably a very small group (1-2).
But whomever it is is probably better at organizing. They certainly weren't very good at bomb making.
When are we finally going to hit the big Stand Alone Complex though? We're in the meme age
What if...we already have? *Yoko Kanno starts playing*
I was just thinking about the targets if it was strait up political. they don't make sense.
one corrupt politician in a very corrupt state with a bunch of people who arn't in power and the legitimately scary boogieman soros
but if you go after soros you would have to go for a different chain of people then the politicians
Also it is easier to make a bomb that you never intended to explode then one that explodes where/when you want it to.
[Origa Intensifies]
(RIP Origa)
I can't wait til IRL laughing man though. That's when we know we're truly past the point where the memes should have stopped
you mean the guy at a bernie event wearing a npc face holding a sign?
Nah, bigger
More like the sudden weird clown shit but for a major event and not an oddity
the maxheadroom tv override?
where are the clowns for this year's halloween
I know a bunch of areas banned clown costumes a few years ago.
one was because of a "it" promotion and other such trolls
also the main circus tropes don't operate anymore ... gg peta...
rip ringling bros.
Maxheadroom is one isolated incident that really happened, and AFAIK didn't produce a slough of copycats
i brought that up as a joke but it sorta fit if you looked at it the right direcction
"Laughing Man: Who knew that copies could still be produced despite the absence of the original? If you had to give a name to this phenomenon, what would you label it?
Motoko: It would be "Stand Alone Complex""
The clown thing is unironically a stand alone complex afaik
It's like the event sure, but not the phenomenon
Oh yea, someone compiled a list of onion articles that became true within a year.
I can't remember where I found it though
Naisu
the biggest troll is when the onion becomes more legitimate then cnn
I just like the concept of them turning legitimate slowly while nobody is paying attention to their legitimacy
The bombs that were sent to Clinton Obama and CNN were they staged?
Perhaps. Doubt any evidence of that would be let out though
Should I start the countdown for this BS to fall apart?
Another 48 hours if more "bombs" are "intercepted"
"Trump's targets"
MSM isnโt even slightly skeptical about it
Theyโve picked their sides and will stick to whatever narrative they want until the actual facts come out
to be a serial bomber, don't you need to actually bomb someone?
^
Attempted โserial bomberโ
stop trying to distract from the epidemic of extreme right-wing violence caused by trump's violent rhetoric
Iโd rather blow up cereal
i kinda want to send a real bomb now but i dont really wana blow anyone up rn
Fuckin corn flakes and their weird jagged shapes
Blow them up
like bitch yall wana hityourself and cry them ill wip you with a fucking wip see you relly cry then
get a mole in the FBI, send a real bomb to the bombers house, say its from trump on it.
no say its from the people from the true USA
say it was from china
no that would prob start a investigation and that would be pretty close to ww3
from Hillary?
Say it was from NPCs
Hillary, NPC, difference?
Pffft
Truuu
crooked shillary rotten clinton
trying to combine all the bad names towards her but i got nothing for clinton
China killed a few agents from the USA
Honestly if that didnt trigger a war of anykind, I doubt a bomb will.
We have a pic of the CNN bomb, do we have pics of the other bombs?
Reminder - number of people harmed by the bombs - 0
Number of Republican's shot - 1
the bombs shot someone?
no
but we are about a year and a few months from Steve Scalise getting shot and nearly killed.
actually shot.
F
slightly out of the loop, still catching up on my news: Those bombs, has it been confirmed if they were real, or hoaxes?
As far as I know, only the CNN one has been confirmed as of 12 hours ago @JustTom. The others I havent read up on just yet.
@ryuplaneswalker , If we're counting politician shooting victims, we need to include Rep Giffords then so the score is even.
We could include Pres Reagan but then we have to include Pres Kennedy.
So bottom line, it's even and i hope we add no more tick marks to the list
Giffords was a decade ago.
Scalise was in 2017
oh and they freaked out about Giffords
Yes, but it was part of the same destructive politics
My complaint isn't about that
that is an entirely different matter, my complaint was the M5M having a huge circle jerk about it.
because it was "their side"
There were plenty of headlines about Scalise, too
for about a day and a half.
they will milk this for the next month
I think there was plenty of press about the anthrax about 15 years ago
These kind of things get press
It's news
But for now we wait for the professionals to investigate
Chuck Todd: 'Is RUSSIA responsible for mail bomb scares TERRORISING America?'
"I'm not saying they are, I'm just asking the question."
Pretty much!
"Does Hillary Clinton feast and bathe in the blood of the unborn to sustain her damned existence?"
"I don't know, I'm just asking."
...Of course. Because he's sane.
๐ ๐ ๐
lmao
Is it possible that a man living in a van delivering pizzas can construct 13 bombs (cut the PVC, pack the powder, solder the wires, etc...) and send them out? Maybe, but more likely he had a shop - perhaps with help. So how would a false flag event occur?
Sayoc was already a looser with a public criminal (anti-Dem threats) record, not difficult to find and befriend with alcohol and a little loose cash. At first joking about the bombs in some man cave shop, making sure his DNA is all over the material, the handler sends out the bombs and/or blackmails Sayoc - he is now in big - the rest is history. The handler cleans the shop and disappears. Sayoc now needs to cut a deal with prosecutors to get out in 5 years with good behavior. Not that difficult of an operation if reasonably funded. Perhaps have a couple marks groomed to ensure for an "October political surprise."
Not saying I believe this, just saying it is a possibility. This is not unheard of. The guy was an experienced criminal, understanding what forensics can do (though unsuccessful he did have a couple of businesses) - why so sloppy? His Twitter showed a bit of detail and polling data. Hard to say, but it is hard to believe he could not understand what the effect of this act would be. But perhaps he just fell into the trap ...
I know next to nothing about the story. Were the bombs even real?
In any case, cutting PVC is... ridiculously easy. Soldering isn't rocket science; even an idiot can do a job that will at least work. Not sure what else there is to it.
Real in the sense they had fireworks powder in them, but they could not have detonated ... so just meant to scare.
Could you do this while living in a van?
Absolutely.
Where did he plug in the soldering gun? The van has tools to cut and seal the ends?
Hell, as far as the pipes go, you can get them cut to length at whatever hardware store.
The van doesn't need to be equipped with tools. You can buy them separately, I'm sure. ๐
LOL, hey Mr. Hardware man, can you cut me 13 pip bomb sized tubes?
http://www.radioparts.com.au/images/ProductImages/38571765.jpg that should answer your other question.
Totally real btw; I have one in a drawer somewhere. Works well too.
Yes possible, but the scenario I lay also could have happened ...
Sure, but why complicate things with a big conspiracy theory?
What you mean?
Look, just because something *could* have happened and it would make for a more interesting story doesn't mean it's the more plausible option.
The world isn't always interesting.
So why make up crazy theories when in all likelihood the reality is that it's just far more simple and boring?
Just saying. Not ruling anything out, but it's not a grand project that requires any external actors to happen.
Because there is a lot of power/money at stake ... one can not be naive. It only takes one handler, not so expensive, but well paid maybe $100K for the job. With millions in donor money floating around ...
In that case, why not just use those resources to make the bombs, wipe them clean, and deliver them without leaving any loose ends?
Van guy would be a huge liability.
No, because you need a known Rep crazy to pin it on.
The guy fits all the stereotypes ... perfect pawn...
What if he rats them out though? There's no way of ruling out that possibility.
Sure, but it will just be viewed as a stunt to get out of the charges ... he cops a plea deal and take a less sentence.
Seems like an extremely unnecessary risk. I wouldn't take it if I had the resources and motivation to do this sort of thing.
No real risk, the only risk is if the handler back stabs you. That's why it is an expensive job, but some "Political Consulting" group.
Eh, it's possible. I just don't see it being reasonable personally.
And this group is probable 3rd hand, so if caught plausible deniability ...
If you search the internet, there are far more complicated schemes financed. This one is not that difficult actually.
Lone guy living in a van, befriend him, alcohol, money, women at the strip bar ... invite him back to your man cave for beers and joke about the evil Dems and making bombs .... have the material laid out etc ... he is drunk, his hands are all over it .... then send it out.
Of course it's not difficult, that's not my issue. I'm just saying there's no special skills required for any of this, and a reasonably unhinged person could easily pull it off, without any need for other actors to be involved at any point.
Except maybe some guy cutting PVC pipes up for him at the hardware store.
Oh sure, doing it that way would actually be much more reasonable.
"I didn't do it, I swear, and I have nobody else to point to" would be much better.
Probably cheaper too.
The handler blackmails, so he is implicated ...
Says, just kidding .... but this is part of the trap ... he double crosses and sends it out.
I meant what you said about getting the guy drunk enough to pass out and just get whatever prints / DNA stuff you need.
Yes another possibility ...
So we shall see when the question him to see how and where the bombs were made ...
My money is on him just being a crazy hobo.
We may never know the details. If I am him, I would claim I was duped, but have no evidence of this.
Police eager to convict, will get him to plead guilty, and for sure the evidence will point to guilty.
He may get a lesser sentence this way...
Whether true or not ... police won't want to perpetuate conspiracy theories .... zip it up neatly. Part of the plea deal will be to shut up about any conspiracy nonsense.
At least years later, when it won't matter.
If this guy is really a Trump nut, and he or his lawyer is smart, float the "I was duped conspiracy" story and make MSM go nuts ... true or not, think of the effect ... and possible better plea deal to admit in fact the story is a hoax.
He was too drunk to remember anything ... he is a looser after all....
@kontroll that is a neat usb powered soldiering iron. A great find. My old field soldering is running on lighter gas.
@4AM_critter ๐ Probably way more reliable though. As I recall this thing had a compromise that impacted its longevity in order to make it even work in the first place.
you know, if I was an absolutely crazy trump nut that wanted to set all this up as a conspiracy theory right before the election, I'd probably do the same as this guy is doing, except have hidden in some safety deposit box somewhere evidence that the democrats paid me to do it, and 'accidentally' reveal it a few days after I was caught.
The ends justify the means, much?
His targets were all too perfectly selected, all mega-important faces of the dems, but most of them are already out of office and meaningless in terms of future elections, and his 'bombs' apparently were all completely nonfunctional, so no one was ever in any danger to begin with.
That's the perfect choice of targeting, because that means no active candidate would be able to play the victim card, only people who're already out of the race.
I think that's the part that really has so many people looking at this and immediately thinking it has to be some kind of bigger plan, some greater event, some sinister hand behind the curtain pulling the puppet strings.
If he was just some crazy moron without a plan... his target selection was weirdly precise.
If he is actually intelligent... or whoever controlled him is intelligent if you want to go conspiracy theory...
Then ... yeah... it's either a huge false flag op by the dems and they were too stupid to target active candidates to give individual boosts, they just picked big names to make mainstream news. (Which would fit their NPC level logic circuits.)
Or there's another step of this yet to come out as the entire story gets twisted at the last minute to reveal something similar to what I suggested.
I'm not saying either of these are accurate, he really could've just picked his targets via dumb luck selection. But again, the weirdly specific and narrow choices he hit on are what is prompting these suspicions.
i think it's a bit too much to expect some nutter with a dozen priors to be intelligent enough to think of or even participate in a plan like that
simplest and most likely case, he's just some random trumpist who snapped and tried sending bombs to high profile targets despite being ignorant on how to make them
I rather agree with that statement myself, I was merely toying with the reason why it has the easy makings of a big conspiracy theory.
oh, aye
he carried it out so spectacularly and dramatically but without any competence or chance at success, it really invites conspiracy theories
my natural reaction is "nobody can *really* be that stupid, surely"
but they can, apparently
That is kinda one of the big things that lends this whole situation a level of unrealistic incompotence that begs for conspiracy theories.
The one thing a bomber needs to do is... make bombs that can actually go off. And he failed to accomplish even that. So... Yeah.
โ Pittsburgh synagogue suspect Robert Bowers hated Trump- for not hating Jews โ by Kelly Weill on Daily Beast
DB admits shooter was anti Trump. People calling him the โ MAGA Shooterโ are spreading fake news.
http://archive.today/HSMBL
Agreed. This guy is the horseshoe where right and left come close together at the extremes. He's no more the Repubs than Timothy McVeigh was. If anything, Trump's "fault" would have been letting his daughter marry a Jew. Oh I can imagine how THAT point would go over.
Lmao
@Exiled Sentinel How dare you let any facts get in the way of the Narative!
Iโve been a bad boy.
The horseshoe theory debate is a function of discussing a plethora of positions on complex issues along a single categorical axis. When can it die?
It's hard for human beings with our limited brains to give up simplistic models
Whoops, how'd that happen?
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Orange man bad
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what do i put in this channel?
@Xombii fake news
"He then deleted this tweet about an hour later" the fakest picture of a tweet
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SEt8w8xsvksDf8n2JjobUqMcxcBLb2OG
>implying that wouldnt get ratio'd to hell and be archived 99999999 times
"I voted republican, then claimed i voted dem! How dare the machine switch me to republican!"
Sounds really dodgy to me, definitely someone trying to create scandal where there is none
Could just be some damn bad miscalibration of the touchscreen
this accusation is made every election isn't it?
^
By both sides.
the respsonse is always "user error" or "callibration error"
We actually had this happening in my area in 2016...but, the other way - Republican votes were being switched to Democrat...The workers were telling people to check their ballot before hitting submit
if they're rigging the machines, you won't actually see the vote flip, it'd do it after you're done
The one I heard was that there were lots of cases where you had straight ticket boxes at the top and people would then check something different down-ballot.
I mean, if you were writing the software, what are you supposed to do? The point of straight ticket is to make things simple and easy. So there's not a clear reason to display all the candidates already. And the answer is ambiguous if you do.
Link won't open for me.
@Poppy Rider I just checked and it's still up for me
i remembe this making the rounds awhile back
I can't even get to the Express site. How strange.
I always go with paper ballots when I can.
Easier to prove tampering.
This doesn't even make any fucking sense. Their pivotal lie is that the emoluments clause has anything to say about the location of the FBI, even though the matter involves _no foreign state, king, or prince_.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/how-trump-taking-fbi-possibly-violating-emoluments-clause-process-ncna925076
It is my _opinion_, you see, that most pigs are yellow, and the sky appears red to everyone except you.
They may mean the 'domestic' emoluments clause, which is honestly just as inapplicable.
`The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.`
I think they're trying to imply that having the FBI HQ across the street from a Trump hotel is somehow increasing its revenue and is therefore some sort of additional payment to him above his salary.
They're gonna strain their muscles stretching that hard.
Which is nonsense for two reasons: a) it's not like that building is going to cease to exist if the FBI leaves; another federal department will take it over. and b) even if Trump has been receiving revenue from FBI patronage to his hotel (unproven) then keeping them there will neither increase or diminish that revenue.
Moreover, he's the *fucking president*. He can decide where he wants *federal departments* be be headquartered, just like Obama apparently did when he approved the move.
It is not a violation of the emoluments clause for the president to receive money from the U.S. government.
This also fits into his campaign promise to cut federal spending, and his more recent promise to force all federal departments to cut 5% of their budgets. The FBI has worked with this headquarters for decades, they can keep using it.
even _directly_
You're thinking of the foreign emoluments clause. There's also a domestic one, quoted above.
But it also is inapplicable.
This entire article is bullshit. I'm agreeing with you.
huh
super confusing too
because usually when you hear "emoluments clause"
you think of the ineligibility clause
An onion article for y'all entertainment: https://politics.theonion.com/trump-slams-worldwide-jewish-conspiracy-for-not-doing-m-1830077401
Martin Luther King Jr. never registered as a Democrat or a Republican:
"In a 1958 interview, he expressed his view that neither party was perfect, saying, "I don't think the Republican party is a party full of the almighty God nor is the Democratic party. They both have weaknesses ... And I'm not inextricably bound to either party.""
__Source__: https://books.google.com/books?id=qW-NYdIefPgC&pg=PA364#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://boingboing.net/2018/10/28/paypal-closes-accounts-on-far.html This cancer though...
I fuckin love how the left calls the right anti-semitic all the while being pro-pale-not-a-fuckin-state-stine
Yep.
it is hilarious
its because the right that is anti-semitic is actually more lefty. they are nat socialists after all
"vandalized"
somebody spray painted bullet holes on the buildling
vandalized by gunfire
holy shit lmao
thats some suicide via 2 shots to the back of the head shit
Sounds like CNN needs a few of their reporters to be "vandalized by gunfire"
They didnt give a shit about the mexican journalists who get vandalized by knives
Charlie hebdo was vandalized by AK fire
Lmao
space engineers
god i wish that game was more popular
Same
Paid 20$ for it
Havnt played it once
it has issues
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