I don't know how else anyone could support the state if not to fuck kids.

I mean, I already said this. Its unrealistic

Agian, you have lost me

halfthink, but you don't support the state, so you probably do want to fuck kids.

No u.

Are there any Trump supporters here?
Please write a list of what he has achieved that you like.
- Canceled TPP
and is there anything else?
(I mean in terms of legislation, not achievements as in triggering someone on twitter)

He has made many attempts to bring jobs back to America, mainly deregulating. Some of those deregulations are controversial, but they are succeeding in their goal.

He pulled us out of the Paris Climate Accord, which has actually helped decrease our carbon emissions to lowest they've been in years.

So increased employment and decreased carbon emissions? By how much %?
Give me a rough estimate

I don't know the numbers

and I cant find the article anymore

shit

I really need to get in the habit of saving every article I find somewhere because Google will certainly never let me see anything pro-Trump

@Cody Gingers have no souls

if a ginger gets bald, does it get a soul back ?

<coppercab angry noises>

Trump is the first anti CIA president. Also the first anti FDA prez since JFK ... that’s a victory for our standing in politics

speaking of which, he's bald now and seems his regular old self so probably lot @Ranko

Not fda I meant federal reserve

wasn't jfk anti-cia as well?

JFK was anti a lot of things

Probably but I don’t recall

probably the best president the usa got

lol

He represented America and that’s why it ended how it did

from an outsider perspective that is

😂

which one would be the best then ?

Probably Jefferson

Why¿

He was one of closest presidents to the spirit of the west

that's rather vague

He advocated for liberty not force

Can you qualify this spirit of the west you speak of

Unlike JFK who forced business men at the point of a gun to pay people

That sounds pretty western to me 😂🐴

My beard advocates for the west

Hmmm

🤔 🤔 🤔

Where's Trump himself?

in the white house

I wonder what an investigation of the Hillary Campaign would result in?

Imagine actually thinking Mueller is going to find anything on Trump, ever.

having a burger

They just want to drag it into 2020 election.

I mean it is pretty interesting

There is nothing on Trump here, their is the normal corruption you find in the cronies for a big campaign... But none of them were working for Russia

What about the Russian nationals and officers it mentions?

at this rate they'll arrest you for eating russian food and having been in a 50km radius from trump

@Pendell Why aren't the ones working the DNC mentioned? You know the CIA keeps tabs on all the parties in the UK right?

Huh?

You forgot about his only signature piece of legislation, the tax deal.

I am willing to bet The CIA has someone in the Russia United party as well as the Russian Communist Party

That one is YUGE.

@Pendell It is called Human Intellegance (HUMINT) and that stays classified for ages because the reports give away who the source is. Every intel agancey wants to have someone inside a leadership's circle.

Didn't go nearly as far as I would have liked, but lowering corporate taxes from 35% is the main reason the stock market grew by trillions in valuation overnight. What really would have helped is eliminating the corporate tax structure altogether.

so wait what

im confused
are you saying there are FBI agents working in the DNC?
what does that have to do with anything?

@Pendell You asked about the Russians charged with making contact with the Trump Camp... That is what they were doing, trying to get inside to feed what was happening to their paymasters. They had "Comrades" in the DNC too. Why aren't we talking about them?

Ohhh lmao

ok now i understand what you were saying lol

How much do you want to bet foriegn intel groups are trying to get people in the campaigns for the DNC 2020 canidates?

That's not a new thing. FDR was completely infiltrated by the Soviets.

This has been going on for a long time, correct

In fact, FDR put a Russian sympathizer in as leader of the World Bank upon its creation.

Yeah. Forever. Everyone is going off about interference in "democracy." Yet nobody has a clear definition of what democracy even is.

It was known for a while that Walters had a PRC agent in her staff and claims are that she know about it.

The Russians, more than anything, want to see Americans fighting among ourselves. They don't really give a rat's ass about the elections, they just like to see us fighting. The rest of the world as well.

Yeah

Most of it was lied to FBI and some are financial fraud

Yep, damn near all of it.

Like this investigation did get quite a bit of substantial info but I think its overhyped

Well see

But why were they all lying to the FBI?

Word Games most likely @Pendell

ah

so it was politician disease that got them

Who knows? some people just panic when being questioned and hope the truth will never come out
even if their crimes are minor by comparison to the crime being pursued

Ask "The Same Question" fifteen ways and when it is just slightly different enough to get a different answer, "You LIED TO US!"

Most of them are to cover things like registering as a foreign lobbyist, tax evasion, shit like that.

illegal campaign contributions

relatively minor.

Well...time to go watch Andrew Klavan, see what that madman has to say today.

It was Manaford who was caught with the "Foreign Lobbyist" for trying to get Ukraine to turn away from Russian and give Obama a hand shake wasn't it?

Yep.

I think he was also trying to help them get into the NATO realm, but that's such a political hot potato that Russia called up their medium range nukes on the threat that would happen.

I dont even know the Alex von zan guy

It didn't help that we moved our nuclear arsenal from Turkey to Romania, but the prick in charge over there really left us no choice. We had to move them someplace or risk his country taking the bases over.

watching this guy right now, very interesting piece. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wln6lNTxVpY

↑ Uncommon Knowledge: Thomas Sowell on the Vulgar Pride of Intellectuals

Good choice.

Lest we forget he's one of the original uncle Thoms

😄

I'd love to hear him on AOC.

Socrates was one of the first to talk about those who spoke on issues they knew nothing about.

After 2000 years, they still don't understand this.

hmm. that just makes him look like another man with a broom trying to clean up at least a bit of the intellectual garbage out there.

As are we all.

which just reminded me rather briskly to what the internet really is.

as in, quite the landfill.

The trash heap of good ideas

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzOtGK4UcAAGA4Q.jpg

https://twitter.com/hrtablaze/status/1095415152705298432?s=19

Eww more slowmode

Shit its also.slow.mode

Vc general @Existence is identity

Thomas Sowell

https://youtu.be/URafcj7Has8

isn't he the guy who wrote the book on basic economics

He wrote many books

I love him

There was some video of him on an old TV show facing of with a feminist and it was so beautiful

Hazlitt's economics in one lesson > Sowell's basic bitch commie economics.

I like that he's able to explain the issues in the black community bluntly without being immediately labeled a racist

"basic bitch commie economics" do you know who Thomas Sowell is

he is the furthest you could get from a commie

Thomas Sowell actually started out as a commie.

Check out Walter E Williams. He's good on the black question.

Well if he started out as a commie he clearly isn't one anymore

Most economists do. That's why the undergrad AOC is so socialist.

Sowell ended up a cicago school commie. He's just not an explicit Marxist anymore.

@halfthink haazlitt is who?

Everything the layman needs to know about economics:
https://youtu.be/fxTB8P9kVXU

whoa damn

ill check that one out too

I dont like justin trudaue

@halfthink Let me save that and read some books on it

You really want to try and understand the complexities of our economics today, do some research on the end of WWII with special reverence to everything that happened starting with FDR, and his One World principles, leading into the rebuilding of Europe via several economic packages, and the Marshall Plan. That continues into the development of the European Union. All of this happened as a response to the Soviet buildup in Europe.

Thanks

https://mises.org/library/hazlitts-battle-bretton-woods

Bretton Woods was an absolute failure.

It's a good thing it failed. The end goal was one world state, we are still heading in that direction tho.

That's where FDR appointed a Russian plant to head the World Bank.

What was Bretton Woods?

Winning the Peace: The Marshall Plan and America's Coming of Age as a Superpower. Nicolaus Mills

We arent going to get a one world state

Hopefully not

Its impossible

Saving a Continent: The Untold Story of the Marshall Plan <- good read by Bruce Jones & Strobe Talbott

@halfthink Do you read any philosophers?

The Mises organization has a lot in their free library halfthink pointed to. A lot of philosophy in there.

I already have some books I want to read on it

Mises himself. Read Liberalism.

https://mises.org/library/liberalism-classical-tradition

He wrote about Rand?

He discusses her quite a bit.

He seems concrete bound

I might check him out eventually to larger extent

Does he every advocate for a morality for capitalism?

Read him. You won't be disappointed.

interesting that that book is free to read lol

Damn

Everything in the Mises library is free.

This guy is better than I expected from someone who's not an Objectivist

Hes still concrete bound though

What isn't concrete-bound?

Ayn Rand saw the events and the ideas and why they happened and could pinpoint the exact philosophical problems

Same with Peikoff

All of those gay people who marched for gay marriage couldn't accomplish shit! Why is it legal now? Because people made a law against it, and it was brought to court and found to be unconstitutional. The unintended consequences are what undermines our country.

Objectivists would probs prefer Rothbard over Mises.

Why is Donald Trump president? Because the leftists continued to insult people and shut them out. Trump gave them a voice.

Trump is president because we rejected principles

Hes a pragmatist

The swing of the pendulum, and the backlash against any force will nearly always end up reversing progress.

Of course pragmatism is the result of Kant's attack on reason more specifically existence, identity, and consciousness

Build the iron curtain.

Sounds like a misreading of kant tbh.

No, its not

Have you never talked to a Skeptic before?

Did you read kant, or just hear about his views from a leftist?

Yes, I have read some of his stuff

Kant didnt go all the way but he opened the way to it

Good discussion gents. I really have to get back to my studies. My autodidactic side is conflicting with my procrastinating side.

@halfthink Have you read any philosophers?

You never answered my question unless I skimmed over your answer

Yes.

Which ones?

Spinoza, Hume, Kant, Mises, Rothbard, Hoppe are some.

Others too, but not whole books.

I wouldn't count any of the Hegelians or postmodernists as philosophers, but I have read some of those too.

Hegel was a philosopher

Nah. Hegel was noise.

What do you mean?

Incoherent.

Meaningless.

Kant was incoherent

Kant started post modernism

You definitely get your ideas of Kant from the left.

The left took Kant to its logical extreme

Except not exactly as the only way to accept his ideas is to shut your mouth, expound no theories and die

If you cant trust your senses or reason, there is no way to know anything

Try reading this, it's only 2 hours and will give you a very different take on Kant than you will get from the left.
https://youtu.be/XoRNf1rFdxo

Just summarize it

It basically is a summary. Can't condense it much further.

I might watch it eventually but 2 hours is quite long

For philosophy, that's pretty damn short.

Have you read The Critique of Pure Reason?

Most of it.

How am I wrong? He attack Identity and Consciousness

He called them imperfect or flawed

Maybe they are dude.

Then the left has taken more steps than you

He seperated a Priori knowledge and Empirical knowledge

Good on him.

Causing reason and reality to go to war

Hardly.

Now, the step the left takes is well a Priori is experience but that has no attachment to Empirical knowledge

So now that they have separated those two, they say you cant know anything

Empericist nonsense.

Yes?

Read the Hoppe book. You'll probably enjoy it.

I will, probably

But am I wrong?

About the left's rejection of a prior knowledge being able to describe reality, yes, if that's what you meant

So now you tell me, whats the right answer?

To what question?

Why do you reject the left's premises?

What premises?

They reject logic.

Premises can be illogical

But, what I discussed

Alogical really.

What did they get wrong?

The left is too broad a term. If I'm criticising empericists, then I would simply point out that if only empirically testable claims can be true, then the claim that only empirically testable claims can be true can't be true because it is not empirically testable.

I shouldve used a posteriori knowledge instead of empirical

They refer to both

The former refers specifically to Kant's terms

They reject that a priori knowledge is possible, so I don't see a difference.

How are you different?

Do you believe contradictions exist?

No.

The cosmos is a tautology, bruh.

Let me play devil advocate

So we know that the sun exists but how do we know it will rise tomorrow?

The sun existing is factually true

How do we know the sun exists?

No, that it will rise tomorrow

How do we know it will rise tomorrow?

Yes

What's your point?

Just answer

We have good reason to believe it will, but we can't know with absolute certainty.

is the russian thing really over?

What Russian thing?

@halfthink How do you know the sun exists?

Our mind is flawed right?

For example hallucinations

Its our own subjective experience