because it allows someone with 41 votes out of 93 to win

you know the story about the two wolves and the sheep, right?

that's what your understanding of democracy comes off as

It does not allow someone with fewer total electoral votes to win.

well... that would be by definition impossible to happen...

no, it allows someone to win 55 votes with one state when they should have won only 33 in that state

this is how we get the swing states.

They should have won whatever that state's election law says they should have won.

yeah... and the state election laws are stupid 😄

what a dumb argument for why we should change the rules

"this is why the rules are broken"
"yeah but that is the rules"

Calling everything stupid isn't an argument.

okay, cool. ignore what i posted way before then claim i have no argument

I was referring to I AM STUPID.

i mean... i told you why i think it's stupid but hey... the rules are the rules, right.

Each state makes its own election rules. What's stupid for you isn't necessarily stupid for them.

Cali: 55 electors
Texas: 38 electors

win 60% in cali, you win 55 electors
60% of 55 is about 33.

win only 20% in Texas, you win 0 electors
20% of 38 is about 8.

IF you win 60% in cali, but only 20% in texas, you get 55 electors and win 55 vs 38. That is how it currently works. We are saying it shouldn't. instead winning 60% in cali should get you 33 electors, and winning 20% in texas wins you 8. That leaves you with 41 electors. 41 to 54.

so the argument is not "it's stupid", that is the conclusion. the argument is that the current system makes votes in non-swing states worthless because they do not have any impact on the outcome of the election.

the change means the percent you win in each state matters more than just winning the state itself.

No vote is worthless so long as each state's election counts every vote.

except if you voted in call, you might as well not have voted

same in texas even in that example

what impact on the outcome of the election did the votes for trump in california have then?

what would have changed if every single republican voter had stayed home?

They were counted directly in California's election.

tell me, in the example above, that the change didn't make each vote in each state more valuable than before?

You can ask that of any voting minority after any election.

only if you have a winner takes all system

so what is your problem with making your individual vote more valuable?

and yes, the presidential election is winner takes all. my point is that the winner takes all part comes too early.

No state is required to have a winner-take-all election for its electors. Most do simply because the electoral vote is pro forma after the popular vote for the POTUS candidates themselves.

yes

and the argument is they shouldn't

not that they can't

Shouldn't what?

shouldn't do winner takes all

as it devalues the individuals vote

and makes the election less representative of the nation

So they should put the electors on the ballot instead of the POTUS candidates?

thats an idea.

some places do that i think

but still, if there are no electors that would vote your way, what would that do?

I don't know how many states did that even in the early days of the US.

there is a bit of a problem i suppose in that electors are bound to vote for the winner of the popular vote or face fines, but they do so on an individual level

basically they should assign the electors based on the percentage of the popular vote inside of the state, not give the person with .5% more votes all of the electors.

I suppose you can write in an elector then.

meaning its not like they tell each elector "here is who you vote for"

which is what this would require changing

not really

yes, because how does each elector know who the other voted to make sure things get spread based off percent

each elector, as i understand it, is an individual

i like nebraska and maine's system

Winner-take-all makes perfect sense when the voters only get to vote for 1 President.

i don;t think they know who who the others vote for

@devpav as i demonstrated above, winner takes all can change the election drastically

Of course every election is sensitive to the specific rules of the election. You don't have to demonstrate that.

candidates give a list of 55 (or whatever the number of electors for the state is) people for the state that they want as electors, electors get in from top to bottom of that list according to the percentage of votes their candidate got. after that proceed the same way you do now.

I would *like* to see some big states adopt the nebraska system on their own.

florida would be so much less stressful

Yeah, Florida was literally incapable of choosing a President in 2000.

from what i can tell florida is literally incapable of counting

You mean counting correctly*

florida is gonna dissolve into the ocean, who cares

You just have to recount until you get the result you want

then it is accurate.

its just a giant alka seltzer

It really is bizarre how close and indecisive Florida elections are.

It isnt

The south has more cities, the north has more rural.

Heh, apparently Broward County will recount until it likes the result.

The elderly also help offset the heavy city infulence.

Since older tends to vote more conservative.

"s bizarre how close and indecisive Florida elections"

3 words:

Orlando, Miami, Tampa

4 really:

Orlando, Miami, Tampa, Swampland

Better than the Soviet socialist republic of California

The Socialist Republic of Seattle is pretty bad in that reguard too

Seattle basicaly controls the rest of the state in a lot of reguards.

is FL gonna be a runaway now? after felons getting voting back?

What type of felons are allowed to vote now?

ones released who's conviction status previously disenfranchised their voter status (as per legislation)

@devpav

They said Saudi's law for marriage is hardcore

i think we should put all the politicians in a big room and the last one standing gets to be dictator for life

So no women rulers then. Lol

women suck at ruling anyway

clinton, ocasio, pelosi, the whole lot

my dad's mom did a pretty good job

whos that

no one, forget i asked

quick addition to the list: angela merkel

was thatcher bad

Eh

she let go of hong kong

That was going to happen anyways

fair enough

still, most of the modern female leaders are shit

modern as in post cold war

I have had female leaders in the military, and Admiral Holdo in Crapping on Jedi gave me flashbacks of dealing with them trying to destroy their own fucking command!

Is that the one with the stupid ass dress in the new star wars

yeah.

But in fairness one of the best 1SGs I had was a woman

being a military leader and a political one are two different things

Fair enough

Eisenhower did *not* have a fun time in the presidency.

https://youtu.be/QJwmMu15Exc

https://mises.org/library/importance-capital-theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmdiisLr5ug

Dems are fucking hypocrites in 2018-2019

That is the face of an entirely honest man.

https://giphy.com/gifs/election2016-dnc-election-2016-democratic-national-convention-3o7TKNlurx5dzeTdlK Same with this asshole too

Yep, native American here.

Both my parents, too.

Are native Americans immigrants or not human?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/europe-birthplace-mankind-not-africa-scientists-find/

Oof. Stefan roast starts at 7min
https://youtu.be/rrMB8RjzxAI

lol what

so it's actually we wuz kangz?

https://youtu.be/hG9YVCf63qY

resigning won't prevent the political shitstorm, it will only give a bit of forewarning

no of course not.

and it will be really bad...

though If I'd be trump, I'd do it next year

Let the seat be vacant for a year or so

this would be the most hilarious time possible to nominate garland

yes, women are much better off than men in saudi arabia. Much more so then in the west

Sharia is insanely anti-male

it is anti male. four wives? one is stressful enough jesus

Yeah. And even in the west women want the top 20% of men... Under sharia they can get the top 25% at least. In principle, of course your first wife can forbid that in the marriage contract

Justice ruth vader ginsburg

Tim seems currently be in the position of right-wing feminists such as christina hoff summers or milo yianoppolous.

Change my mind

VADER is on life support doing cases away from the bench which means they hold no value or water in actual court

A cruel joke to the justice system and shitting on the seats of what the supreme court is meant to be.

Federal judges are not allowed to rule away from the bench

What laws are they breaking in order to do thjs.

gotta bend the rules somehow if you wanna keep A from being GA 😉

Can we add scumer and pelosi to any list with Merkel on it?

yes, pls take Angie M

Both schumers please

Nancy schumer

And chuck schumer

Can we add amy

I forgot a schumer

The irony is all the things they are afraid of is what they have been doing for a while now

"Trump is harming America by saying that the press is the enemy of the people. Now, let's refuse to air presidential speeches because we don't like what he says."

Right: build the wall!
Left: build the firewall!

Waiting for the Trump Address. My god it's fucking hard lmaoo

@halfthink Why not both?

Hmm.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/bwVR8jFETEVCeW1vbGJtakp8MW1yR21ZQVBnRXZHeRXylmyr40OSjKElNxQQqjPwdW6cfUyIyMJPBlluOoMh

@Chiharu sure, works well for north korea.

Whatever he did, I'd love to see what bad angle fake news can spin up loool

However that delivery was prepared.

@you almost had me at sharia is pro women lmaooo.

@halfthink Don't forget China.

Can't forget about China lol

They are genius at uiygur control. Like Russia is good at keeping homosexual propeganda at a 0% proprgaytion rate.

Strong, Christian Russia.

Would you actually prefer to live in China or Russia tho? @Chiharu

if he's neither gay nor uiygur, he's got nothing to fear

@halfthink I'd rather import the system in use in Russia, China, and Burma. In none of those nations do people have a shred of sympathy for agitators and terrorists.

In America, we have to much soy in the feed lol

Nothing against the bean, itself, but dear god help the blue pill addicts.

@Tornzy Exactly. And, happily, I am neither.

Soy does tend to have the effect of making people want a strong and powerful Big Brother to protect them.

Unless you are chowing down on vegan sausage and chunky curry potatoes lool

As long as it didn't come from Monsanto or DuPont labs/farms

@halfthink funny how even though it does that, it makes people hate big, safe, walls.

https://youtu.be/w7Yfg1vLdVA

They want a strong and powerful big brother, but they don't wanna listen to him.

I'll watch it later, internet is slow.

But the derp on these people is sooo skronk.

They sweat, shit, and dream blue pills.

Bob Murphy is almost as far right as Hoppe.

Russia by a landslide. China has a "social credit system" that utterly terrifies me.

it doesn't matter

we'll get a variation on that idea

once physical currency has been abolished, we'll all be tied to the payment processors.

it looks bad already, and we're nowhere near critical mass

Physical currency has already been abolished. I don't think there are any currencies left that are tied to real commodities anymore.

quite

but i'm talking more about having no physical means of exchanging currency

makes it far far easier to control individuals

Doesn't make it much easier than central banking already does. The only "commodity" tied to money now is governments with guns.

Everything is money though. If people start trading with some other currency government can't control, then their power to control people will be reduced to almost nothing. If no one is using their currency, their currency is worthless, so they can hardly buy guns and soldiers to protect themselves.

omg

so if we all just agreed to use something that can't be made anymore

or super rare

then

lie

like

ancapistan

🚫 👢 🐍

Denationalization of money is effectively the denationalization of government.

Although they could just start seizing real assets at that point to sustain themselves. You used to be able to pay taxes in tobacco.

you used to get paid in salt

now it's just constantly generated by political activists

👻
https://youtu.be/vM67GxPjg9E

USD will always have value

It’s really the only valid payment for taxes

So crypto all day everyday but if you are caught avoiding taxes rub roh

https://mises.org/library/not-worth-continental

Google just want to be Skynet.

Skynet is still better than Google

https://youtu.be/Mdt_HEA5330

I can't let you do that, Alexa.
https://youtu.be/OeHgrf5z4C0

https://youtu.be/A3yJj7S5gII

Matt's take on the new House and AOC 60 Minutes

Is it just me or does mr. Cooper look annoyed?

Yeah, he seems kinda skeptical.

...wich leads me to my theory that AOC will burn out and never be president

I admire her optimistic outlook, but girlfriend needs to gather some specifics. People want a plan as to how to achieve these grandiose visions.

I think Matt is conflating average tax rates with marginal tax rates.

https://twitter.com/diannaeanderson/status/1081357243344244736

not really. the more money you make the less important the lower brackets become for you.

How much would democrats agree to if Trump tied his resignation to it?

"No deal unless Pence resigns too."

Pence is a bigger problem for them than Trump

Yes/no

Trump is a center left moderate.

For them yes, for support to their base no

By all accounts, Pence is a conservative.

A very old school conservative.

Pence has in the past supported "Gay conversion therapy" Centers

to what extent is hard to nail down. But he use to talk pleasantly about them in the past.

So in the modern CTRL-Left views "he sent gays to gas chambers"

https://youtu.be/4fsRlt2Q0zo

LOL, lying bitch...

Well, lets wait and see how that continues to develop.

if we hear much about her in a year or two.

IMO she's kinda like the Pirate Party in Europe.

they had their run but nobody cares about them today

yeah. but they had talking points that made sense.

not many of them though

She looks angry in the thumbnail lol

Yeah, it was hip at the time and privacy/internet security was a thing at the time but things changed and the prioritys shift.

@Glaice Watch that video :D
After those tweets from Michael Knowleges she probably was fuming.

Or if she could, send Antifa his way

i still think my vote for die partei was not a waste. i mean... they wanted to build a wall! 😄

It's about the furloughed worker approaching her right

They went full retard in the last year or two, sadly 😦

I really hate how all the partys became so uniform....

Well, except for the AfD, the Rest is just shit or worse.

didn't follow them in the last few years. but at the moment the only parties i consider voting for are the pirate party, die partei or afd. every other party had at least one vote in favour of article 13. and those are all shit options.

Yeah, Problem with Pirate Party and "die Partei" is that they are hard left. There was an appaling post from "die Partei" on Facebook...

i mean... they are satire... which tends to be left... or did when it was founded.

Sad that they are basically all infested with leftwing radicals 😦

Well, shows how fucked the culture right now is and how intolerant the shit is getting 😕

all parties are either on the train to the left or full of people that can't stay away from saying/doing shit that justifies putting them in the same bag as the ctrl-left just on the other side

lol