But is it worth it in the long run?

k, staggering off to bed, nite all

I don't see why it wouldn't be.

Putting millions into a new defensive measure that'll only defend a tank for another shell

It's not just one shell. They tend to be able to rearm themselves.

Yes, but in the middle of combat

It's automatic.

How much time does it take?

For it to be on full defense yet again

If it takes even 15 seconds, wish goodbye because that's another shell

I'll have to look it up but generally tanks have multiple mounted.

And making it automatic just increases the price again

Enemy tank being annoying?

Air strike

It looks like it takes about a second to reload.

Very quick

Very good defense.

But if a tank costs a lot to make

You can't field enough of them to be very effective

It's an add-on not a complete vehicle.

I was just talking about prices of tanks

Bolo

Like, how much does an Abrams cost?

"For the Honor of the Regiment"

Such a great series of stories

An Abrams as I can find out

Costs millions

Apparently 6mil but if they reuse old parts it's closer to 2mil.

A lot of money

A shitload less than an F35

How much is that worth in some really good air to ground missiles?

Planes are much more and have a smaller payload.

And aren't as good for close quarters.

They are good at destroying big areas though.

I wouldn't bring an Abrams to close quarters

In the fear of losing it

I'd instead use Humvees

The Abrams could sit on a hill a good amount back and support

An F-22 is about $678 million.

Fantastic

What does an F18 go for these days?

Probably a lot

Is the F15 line still open even?

Like 57 million.

I think the Japanese are still making F15Js

The F15 and F18 still had a lot of potential in their airframes

Think about being that one officer

In the Air Force

That had one of his F-22s shot down

That's why the captain goes down with the ship.

We could outfit an entire squadron of F15s or F18s, kit and all, for the cost of one F35

Sigh

Welp, the 678 million dollar air craft got shot down, I guess it's time to eat some lead.

How much does a modern russian jet cost?

I need to know this

50-100 million.

For the Su-57.

And how much for an F-35?

About the same.

89-107 million depending on the type.

Jesus Christ these are expensive

You could lower the cost just by introducing competition.
Government would spend 4 billion dollars on a toilet seat cover.

True

But the sheer cost of some of these vehicles is amazing

Look at cost of the helmets

Please no

How much does a Standard issue American helmet cost?

Which branch?

Army?

The F-35 helmet is $400k each.

https://www.armyproperty.com/nsn/8470-01-529-6329

That's probably with all the fancy shit on it, Creative

Yeah it has all the crazy shit.

I'm talking BASE helmet

I think Guerilla Warfare is probably one of the most effective ways of modern fighting

Since you don't rely on super expensive technology

But on knowledge and bravery

Not sure the base cost of the ECH

Well, good night

Seems to be in the $400 range too

ACH is the last gen, ECH is the current but I think we're using both

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Combat_Helmet_(United_States)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Combat_Helmet

Looks like a bike helmet.

Better than the PGST helmet but, not much more confortable

https://youtu.be/lQVrbAzOaUI

https://youtu.be/7niLdZqDH0o

On the topic of Su-57 cost, nobody knows. Official estimation stands at 50 mil, since it's not in production yet, that figure can be thrown out of the window

100 mil was quoted for the indian version hence why they dropped out

*hugs his upgraded PSGT helmet*

su-57 will not cost 50 million after RND

they wont even make very many most likely

if they make them at all at this point

afaik they are kindof giving up

I thought the PAK-FA had been canned?

looks like they are supposedly flying prototypes right now still

with introduction in 2019

est 9 billion in RND so far

Yeah, they moved four into Syria in late February

assuming they make 100 planes, thats 90 million a unit in RND alone

its questionable how stealthy it is as well given that the engines have a cylindrical profile

not particularly carefully shaped airframe

maybe just stealthy from certain angles

which is reasonable

if mainly the front aspect is stealthy they can still have surprise when they initially engage

Oh wow, they actually conducted their second phase engine tests in flight in late 2017

So they may very well launch with engines that aren't shit

there is a certain percent chance of that yes

wikipedia: In early 2018, India pulled out of the FGFA project, which it believed did not meet its requirements for stealth, combat avionics, radars and sensors by that time.

Yeah, wonder what they'll go for instead

possibly nothing

China isn't too likely to give them J-20 at this point

Or that, yeah

its not that likely j-20 will even be good

china is like 'hey we dont really have a pre existing aerospace industry but dont worry guys we totally nailed everything on the first try'

Well yeah, but Pakistan is supposed to be flying them

some planes > nothing

true

but if they cant really get the performance they want for their money

then it may just not be worthwhile for india to buy stealth stuff

they are less concerned with cool looking propoganda pieces than some

so they may just avoid stealth entirely

for now

Don't get me wrong, Su-57 isn't likely to be too good either, but it's something usable plus R&D experience

that would probably be one of the upsides for india

if they buy f-35

they will be no closer to making one themselves

su-57 at least they can get involved a bit

25% worth of a bit tbh

mainly because russia is desperate for funds

but i mean

opportunities like that dont come every day

*wonders if the tempest project will end up producing anything*

>BAE
Did Tumblr come up with that name or something

I thought it was from American Pie.

likely to link back to the WW2 Tempest plane

tempest is all talk until it isnt

Based.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TICdCM4j7x8&t=2578

40% suicide rate.

I've heard from proponents of the surgery option that the 40% rate drops after the procedure? I haven't seen hard starts though

Honestly I don't care if they do all that. I take issue with them attempting to change facts with their feelings

Don't think so. Stats I've seen post op are 38%

If they wanna call that a drop then have at it.

```I've heard from proponents of the surgery option that the 40% rate drops after the procedure?```
That's a lie, nothing changes. The suicide rates stays the same.
Because you don't treat the real problem....

you don't go to a person with depression and say "awesome, good, we need to accept you", you treat them with therapy and pills

"Oh, you're depressed? We'll cater to your depression by having all your activities done for you, so you can live the rest of your life depressed."

Yes, something like that.

yet they believe the rates drastically drop.

ugh

Yes, because its so progressive...

with all that trans shit, we will have a huge backlash in 10 year when all the trannys gets older and vote.

I'm more worried about the indoctrination in american schools

the trannies aren't that numerous, just vocal if I remember my stats correctly

but when higher education effectively funnels young people into a socialist mindset, there's a problem

can we just stop government funding of gender studies?

has anyone chipped into the border wall fund?

Problem is that "the Normies" don't really know about that Gender Studies shit.

if they did, all hell would break loose and schools loose money - like Missou and Evergreen

Which is why the Cult of the CTRL-Left wants to force everyone to take Gender Studies

... so if there's an Alt-left and an alt-right, and a CTRL-left and a CTRL-right...

does that mean there's a Delete-left and a Delete-Right?

No, as my keyboard only has one delete. The true delete!

I am a G key personally

You can call the commies and muslims delete left as well because they want to delete what we have right now

Wouldn't the Muslims be Delete-Right since they are religious fundementalists?

sociotheocratic conservatives

I dont think its wise to put islamic politics anywhere near complicated political structures

mostly it seems to behave like medieval european theocracy with the pope and all

and theyre having their little crusade

their jihad, yeah.

ye, and like the crusades, they will almost not fail

https://www.tag24.de/nachrichten/dresden-afd-maier-darf-nicht-zu-brian-schauburg-wirft-ihn-raus-kino-913456

its German

TL;DR: AfD politican wanted to watch a movie in a cinema, got thrown out because of his political affiliation.

https://society-reviews.com/2018/12/26/societyreviews-top-10-worst-films-of-2018/

Tiny little update from your mexican neighboors, the purge of political adversaries has begun
http://www.milenio.com/politica/minuto-minuto-muere-gobernadora-puebla-senador-moreno-valle

Mexican Governor and Senator of Puebla dead in misterious helicopter crash

Let me guess these folks all oposed the new President on the campaign trail?

Idiots. In Chile they reuse the helicopters.

It's called efficiency.

(((efficiency)))
https://youtu.be/bMeXSlGJZYc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUnWFrSd_wE

am I the only one that thinks this is a witch hunt?

criticise jews -> you anti-semite

say men can't be women -> you anti-LGBTalphabet

of course not

of course jews as anyone can be bad people

white people saved everyone from white people from another nation in ww2

race is bullshit politically

```race is bullshit politically```
I disagree.

See with Dogs, you'd rather have a Berner Mountan Dog than a Pitbull or any other terrier for your family.

why should it be different for Humans?
especially since we had a couple of hundreds, if not thousands of eugenics behind us, with different results in different areas for different reasons

canines evolve exponentially faster than humans, it's not really a fair comparison.

even then, even the most naturally aggressive dogs can be tame and lovely with the right training. No bad pet, just bad owner(s).

plus, humans have a far greater capacity to self improve and fight their own nature and/or conditioning.

Yes, but a good portion of human behaviour and skill is genetic, same with dogs.

That dogs evolve faster doesn't disprove my statement, on the contary.

so lets just concentrate on the most obvious differences: Skin tone and facial things.
For example: Asians tend to have different eye forms than the rest, their face is flatter and often more round.
And there are huge differences in skin tone as well.

Lets not talk about IQ and stuff. But Vee, who is a doctor, also admitted that there is a difference in hormonal levels between "races" or whatever you want to call it...

Stefan, Do you think the differences between the races is big enough to warrant different treatment under the law?

It is enough to warrant physical removal of States.

The existence of States makes the evolutionary gap between people not only impossible to close but causes it to exponentially widen.

Equality among people requires equal selection pressures plus time. Using force to try to make people equal in outcomes now will only make them more unequal in ability in the future.

race and IQ is ez pz

the only people making a deal about it are white dudes, who are bestested by asians who constantly try to point out they didnt get where they did by being lazy fucks
avg white dude with 95-120IQ -ex my genetics so superior why we not nuking blackys rn
average asian with 110-140IQ -fuckface i didnt get to this out of nowhere you dumbshit, take heed of what little was gifted onto you even if most of you are still flunkies

likewise

if you are generous to admit popular cultural influence in art, music etc is a indicator of potential then you have no grounds as a wh*toid claiming that you alone created what is rn

I put $50 to the wall

I live in Australia but Trump won me $5000

His odds were 1:5 I put 1k on his win

So he can have a share

😄

Nice.

Average dog IQ is higher than average abo IQ.

I think they just need to quit their victim mentality

Pretty much.

I moved to Australia 12 years ago with started with $0

Now I own two houses with two more coming

If Australia is racist like they say

Then how did I do that?

Australia is very progressive.

Yeah bit too much sometimes I think

Especially donw Victoria

That's the hotbed of SJWism

If shorten gets in, I'll probably have to rethink my position on terrorism.

Well Australia is on Matrix mode with terrorism

People don't see how much arrests are being made for terrorism related activities

Anti-State terrorism is an oxymoron tho, tbh.

Whatcha mean anti state?

Denationalize government!

I think that's been tried but never really worked

It's only been tried by commies, so of course it hasn't worked.

I think it's better to retain a national government with higher local autonomy than de-nationalize it

When USA was putting their states together

The first step was to introduce the USA identity

By flying the American flag

`It's only been tried by commies, so of course it hasn't worked.`
The fact that no one but communists even tried speaks for itself

So if we de-nationalize that would be going backwards

Same goes for Afghanistan

The reason why they have always been in pieces apart from Soviets and US meddling with Afghanistan since god knows when

Is because they recognize culture groups more than Afghanistan itself

@Poppy Rider
```Stefan, Do you think the differences between the races is big enough to warrant different treatment under the law?```
Depends on what yo mean or how. In terms of Immigration: Maybe to probably. But you can also test that.
But for those who are already here, probably not.

But if you don't like certain peoples, you should be able to say it in any way you want. So the biggest problem I have is that forced anti-racim, wich causes way more problems than it might solve.

anything forced creates problems

thats just human nature

you cant force anyone to do something and espect them to be happy about it because that wont work

In General I'm more towards anti-immigration as it causes more problems than it solves.
And we should only let those in, who have a good reason to come here. Like "Asia Bibi" and for the others, I'd have an IQ barrier of around 90-100.

but the Problem is that those "high IQ" people are here and can't rebuild their home...

yeah its the problem that is a problem by definition

There is also the argument that if we don’t take the best people other countries will.

So unless everyone stops immigration we shouldn’t.

Yeah, but then again, when you have 350 Million people, you have enough geniusses, you just need to find them and train them in whatever you want them to do.

yeah but some are just shut imside their homes becouse system failed them :/

Exactly that is the Problem.

but bringing people in doesn#t solve it in any way.

it just causes other Problems