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Can we kill social security yet?
so about that Men Deman Consent Videos from Women because of MeToo:
this is my response,
this is how society collapses, I've never felt so glad to be a virgin with no sexual experience, holy fuck I can only imagine the hardship unlucky men will have to deal with in the future with this trend growing, Third and Fourth wave feminism has made dating a game of Russian Roulette considering how rigged and corrupt the system has become,
Rome 2.0 has come and it's only a matter of time before it all falls apart
> Hitler was the most hated man in history
I dunno, Justin Bieber was a close second.
Stalin and Mao deserved to be named before Hitler because they murdered a big part of their own population and even shot mothers and fathers looking for food for their children.
They were marxists, not keynesians. Keynesian economic policies are what most countries in the world have right now. So, comparing them to Hitler is way more relevant.
You don't have basically all mainstream economists pointing to communist countries as the best examples of how their policies should be implemented like they do with Nazi Germany.
Communist killed Jews just like the Nazis
@Grenade123 the argument on that end is that they weren't institutionally supported killings, unlike the Nazis. Still kinda falls flat when so many people got killed regardless
Yeah, the intention was different but the result was the same: dead jews
Depends on the communist. There was still anti-Semitism
Well there's a difference between "people formed mobs and killed a man", and the government having him assassinated
The argument by multiple sources, including iirc the writer of The Gulag Archipelago, is that it was mob violence and not Papa Stalin's grand plan
If I recall correctly
papa stalin
Papa Stalin is a big fan of post-term abortions for Mother Russia
Boyo oh boyo, that's going to hurt them
lol Yahoo stock is gonna drop
Well, more like Alibaba
You know reading that meme in <#398973785426100234> made me remember an idea I had been thinking about; this current wave of mass immigration is destroying natural diversity in countries
For example in France you have the Celts in Brittany, the southern Occitan, and plenty of other subcultures. In Germany every state practically had a separate dialect
In the United States we have almost every europeon ethnicity along with Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Filipino, etc.
The third world is colonizing the colonizers. And the left is okay with that because white people are bad.
But itโs wave of mass migration is wiping out that diversity; instead of California being Asian, europeon, and Latin American itโll just be Latin American, and likely non English speaking to boot
@H E C K I'm sorry you'd rather be seething in silent contempt, than flat out "insult" me ...
@H E C K ..."uncivil"...
Dude we've moved on. Shouldn't have waited two days to respond.
@H E C K i have things to do
@H E C K But ok, you called me "uncivil" from the beginning... So i call you uncivil, nigh on inhuman, for not being able to utter even a fucking honest insult, but yet you had no problem labeling me "uncivil" just because of my linguistics
Stop being butthurt
Go fuck yourself :d
https://youtu.be/pj66JP4Df3k "Linux Kernel Patch Replaces Naughty Words with "Hugs""
In regards to tumblr. If only female nipples are banned, can you tag an image with what gender the nipple owner identifies as?
I thought female was a sex not a gender
Iโve heard some people say that the conflict over the border could lead to war with Mexico; but from what Iโve heard it seems that the Mexicans donโt like them as much as the Americans
Those people are delusional from a political/planned point of view, but if a US government employee kills a mexican government employee things might get bad
though I doubt it will happen, mexico seems to be staying far away from the US border
Like the polar opposite of EU right now
as they burn down Paris
Yeah, it seems that a lot of people either don't like them or feel indifferent. I doubt a war with Mexico would happen under the current circumstances
@Blackhawk342
_ I thought female was a sex not a gender_
my mistake. I was not in the correct mindset. In my native language, we donโt have two different words, like sex and gender, we have one word, which incidentally is also the word for pretty.
I live for the day when the US can go back to having sex and gender be interchangeable
If they could just be the same word again wed be able to focus on actual issues
When forms ask for your sex, people as a joke put in, Yes, as in โyes! I am prettyโ ๐
lol
Does that make yes a gender or pretty a gender, or are both now genders? <:TimThink:482277772497125378>
Both are now genders, its only fair
Well then I identify as pretty.
Sex and gender used to mean the same thing in the US until the 70's when feminists started pushing the work of John Money. He's the guy who when David Reimer was given a botched circumcision resulting in the loss of his penis said they should remove his testicles and raise him as a girl. Because "gender is a social construct lol". Obviously that didn't work and David wanted to be a man. He later committed suicide.
Also he was in favor of 'consensual' pedophilia.
"Consensual pedophilia" Is when the man promises pizza afterwards
That's chuck e cheeses business model
I was never raped at chucke E cheese as a kid
Wait that was just me?
But I did get my hand stuck under a machine while looking for coins
I had to lift the machine with my brother
HM, I think I'm for Macron putting France under martial law.
That means that shit really hits the fan and it is escalating.
Question is: On wich side will the Enforcers be?
Will they side with the Protesters??
We've already seen police remove their helmets in solidarity with the protesters, and firefighters turn their backs and walk out on their mayor.
@๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ Did you play the ticket games to get prizes? then you were definitely raped.
>"Consensual pedophilia" Is when the man promises pizza afterwards
sounds like #PizzaGate to me
I played the games for the prizes
Honestly that's the most expensive shit I've ever seen
Chucke Cheeses needs to lower the prices fr
That is the point
Make extremely cheap prizes from tickets, make the ticket prices absurdly high..make you spend 40 dollars on something you could probably buy for 20
Not to mention most people wont even manage to get enough tickets
Aka
you got raped at Chuck E Cheese ๐
#PizzaGate was right
I actually asked if some of the prizes were just props one time and the guy said he wasn't sure if it was a real working Xbox or not
Well it was like, 10 years ago so I may remember wrong
It was something about it being a shit prize
Pretty sure I blew $200 on a lava lamp that was an arcade prize
I also broke it not long after
Somalia is an FGM State, dominated by Islam....
and ak-47's
the cheap ones (that they sell by the kilo)
Islam is based.
do they ship those AK's? we're gonna need some in the UK for our upcoming civil war
Lol GL gettin that into Britainistan
well, the religion of peace seem to manage it without issue....
They use trucks of peace in their Anglo colony mostly
Let's not take economic advice from a fucking furry
furries are just people that are afraid to say they are into bestiality
change my mind
I wish he wasn't a furry, because he actually has some good takes.
@Yahweh Furries don't want to fuck animals they want to be animals.
@Dennafen which would involve.... fucking other animals.
Damn mutualists
damn ancaps
smh at every branch of anarchism
There is only one branch of anarchism, individualism.
Any other type contradicts itself.
UK Government petition against the UNs migration laws. Please sign and write to your MP.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232698
i would but i think that would count as foreign influence
>tfw Trump is just paying his respects to Kojima's work
#MAGA
The media had a shitfit about Trump saying "get me out of here" during the G20 summit but like tbfh i would say the same thing
ikr
better than riots
Is there a single liberal in this whole place or is this just a giant echo chamber?
Define liberal
even left leaning
I dont think there are many opinions other than the standard issue right
which means debate here is largely pointless
You're going to have to get into specifics instead of vague tribal designations and butchered political terms (the latter being exactly what Liberal is at this point)
lets go with democrats
are there any democrats here
@DrYuriMom for sure. A lot of Europeans and Canadians in here though
So it'd be hard for them to vote Dem
I am a liberal. But in classical / european sense. That means low taxes, reduced welfare
Also worth remembering that Tim refers to himself as "left libertarian"
that would be me too lol
If anything the discord trends toward center, with some spicy radical bois mixing things up every so often
I'm an independent that generally votes Democrat but not because I really like them anymore
I've voted Republican. Did so last month for governor.
@Dugamar you mention that the โone man, one voteโ system leads to two party system. I disagree. It is all about the number of seats in an electoral district. This is the norm in e.g. USA and UK. Where you can only elect one representative in each district. In my country each district elect 8 seats in parliament, still with โone man, one voteโ. This have resulted in a multitude of parties getting elected.
So the top 8 vote getters in that district get elected?
Yes
How many districts are there?
22 districts and the former colonies each send two representatives
Greenland and Faeroe Islands
I dunno that you could split the US like that
@oprahsminge That's an oversimplification of what they want, technically we all fuck animals, as humans are just as much of an animal as a dog, a sheep, or a shark.
And the alternative would be heavy government bloating
I am becoming quite fond of a 1/2/3 vote
Ranked voting?
Yes
Maybe, I just think we need to get rid of the federal government overrides.
We have an issue here in BC where NDP and Liberals trade off dominance because voting for Cons/Greens/etc means that "the other side wins"
So we'll get liberals making a dumb decision or 10 and then because nobody wants the NDP they'll get in the next 2 times as well. Once you hit fucks given spillover then the NDP gets a turn
It's a really bad setup
I think we'd get some DSA, and even some NSM members with that system though.
ranked voting.
Maybe. But is the honest solution to just shove that shit under the rug and pretend it isn't there?
Sunlight is the best disinfectant
No the solution is to not give the government enough power that it matters.
Oh I'd want that as well
It's too late for that though.
But to the extend that abusable power is necessarily within the purview of government, I'd like one that is a little more representative at the very least
I am of the perception that gerrymandering would be a thing of the past if the US joined 10 electoral districts into 1 large district with ten seats.
I'll worry about more representative government when we get our 4th and 5th amendment rights back.
I'm not seeing how you keep regional representation intact, @4AM_critter ๐
I'm okay with that too.
Once you give the federal government power it's almost impossible to have them release it.
I assume a region that would elect 1 seat would still manage to elect that seat. but they get help from other regions.
I just think about California, where all those red areas are outnumbered by like 1 city
that 1 city would no longer be able to rule over those red areas, since i think 4Am is suggesting more seats than before
to allow more parties to get some power
Right and how do you determine who gets those seats? Bulk votes, no?
If we went by vote by county Trump's landslide would have been insane
Senators shouldn't be voted on.
That'd be nice.
uhhhh
why?
They're not representatives of the people.
They're representatives of the state.
They're supposed to be reps of the states interests not the states.
Kind of like the EU.
By county CA went Trump, by county CT went Trump, by county NY went Trump
i don't know about that
What are the interests of the state?
they are not strictly representatives of the state, they are representatives of the people in that state, but balanced against population.
where as the house is a balance against the minority
The interests of the states vs the interests of the people as a whole.
Pick a state then
Michigan.
Denial? Thats a state right?
lol
Ok, isnt on of michigan's goals to continue to grow their population by attracting people from other states and responding to the needs of their own residents?
I had to read up a bit. Imagine if each state have the current number of rep as today, but each state was one electoral super district. Example given; everyone in Alabama could vote for everyone there and the 7 candidates with the most votes go to Congress.
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama%27s_congressional_districts>
@4AM_critter ๐ who wins what seats?
Sure, but does that mean that what the reps from detriot want are in the best interests of the state?
They want what are best for their area
Yes, their area, not the state.
Right, which is why you have senators
Who want whats best for their state as a whole
The elctoral district have 7 seats, you are not locked to any particular geographical subset
Who should be appointed by the state legislature not popular election.
Nope
Yes.
@4AM_critter ๐ yes, but winner takes all?
Because the people of the state need to have a say in who goes to congress
They do, that's the representive.
@Dennafen isn't stuff like this partly how the EU go into such a mess?
NO. Grenade, imagine 20 persons running for office. The 7 candidates with the most votes get the seats.
@4AM_critter ๐ so everyone votes on all 7 seats, rather than 1.
@Grenade123 Yes, because they don't have representatives.
I dont want my represetnatives who cant even agree on a budget for my state to decide who gets to represent us in washington
No, you have one vote, and you can only vote for one person.
Because as you said, those locally elected representatives dont care whats best for other areas they only care about their own
@4AM_critter ๐ okay, all 20 get some percent of the vote. what now? take the top 7?
Yes, but they have to pick one person for six years.
Yes the top seven get he seats.
what happens if less than 7 get votes.
Which is why I dont want them to pick a person, because they dont care about the state as a whole, what they care about is their own re-election
its only like 4 people @4AM_critter ๐
Then that senator is no longer beholden to the people, he becomes beholden to the state representatives which elected him
They don't elect him.
Appointed whaterver
So we should vote on supreme court judges?
Thats what the Senate is for
....
They're supposed to think about how people in the state will be affected by that judge
No.
They're supposed to think about how the state will be effected.
No?
Why would they think about how their state government will be affected?
pretty sure they don't think about either
Because that's what all of their job functions revolve around.
they think about will this person make a good addition, and you vote for them in hopes that how they think about that judge will be reflected by you
In the system which you describe yes
In the current system no
In the current system yes.
Why do their jobs in the federal government revolve around state government?
`Bills may be introduced in either chamber of Congress. However, the Constitution's Origination Clause provides that "All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives".[53] As a result, the Senate does not have the power to initiate bills imposing taxes. Furthermore, the House of Representatives holds that the Senate does not have the power to originate appropriation bills, or bills authorizing the expenditure of federal funds.[54][55][56] Historically, the Senate has disputed the interpretation advocated by the House. However, when the Senate originates an appropriations bill, the House simply refuses to consider it, thereby settling the dispute in practice. The constitutional provision barring the Senate from introducing revenue bills is based on the practice of the British Parliament, in which only the House of Commons may originate such measures.[57]
Although the Constitution gave the House the power to initiate revenue bills, in practice the Senate is equal to the House in the respect of spending. As Woodrow Wilson wrote:
The Senate's right to amend general appropriation bills has been allowed the widest possible scope. The upper house may add to them what it pleases; may go altogether outside of their original provisions and tack to them entirely new features of legislation, altering not only the amounts but even the objects of expenditure, and making out of the materials sent them by the popular chamber measures of an almost totally new character.[58]
The approval of both houses is required for any bill, including a revenue bill, to become law. Both Houses must pass the same version of the bill; if there are differences, they may be resolved by sending amendments back and forth or by a conference committee, which includes members of both bodies.`
Their role is to make sure that the reps don't fuck shit up too much.
In our system, any spill over votes a candidate gets goes to the hext candidate on the list. Each party put up at least as many candidates as there are seats up for election. That means that votes excessive votes and party votes get distributed to the next person on the list.
A classic example is one very popular candidate gets elected and takes 3-4 extra seats for his party.
Another classic example is a candidate at the bottom on the list blows past all the others and win a seat.
Here we donโt have primaries. The election and lust placement of candidates is an internal party matter
so really only 1 person for that party gets elected, and the rest are just elected by the party if they get extra?
Yes, but all candidates most be announced before the elction.
like your preferred party has 1 guy you like. so you vote for him. And everyone else mostly voted for him. You voting for him can end up getting like 3 more people that no one voted for into office?
Hence it matter what order your name is on the ballot.
Yes in theory.
Wouldn't everyone voting for all 7 seats be better? Assuming only 1 person per seat.
A classic example would be the party PVV in the Netherlands, most people vote for that party for Gert Wilders, but the party have other representatives elected also.
Correct me if i am wrong. @Dr.Wol
i was summoned
Then you get a two party system again. @Grenade123
yeah i believe thats how its done in the PVV
but his party has a 1-policy maker though,
the other representatives just have Wilder's policies
Hi Dr I was being a smart ass in regards to dutch politics, I choose that cause Gert Wilders international known
they're basically just mouthpieces for him
@4AM_critter ๐ do you? you could fix that by saying you can only put up say 4 or 5 candidates. That would force people vote across party lines, meaning they will most likely vote for A) moderates or B) a 3rd or 4th party if they really hate their main rivels.
I am trying to explain the electoral system by D'Hondts, a belgian, that is used in most european countries
better than me getting Hiliary or Pence elected into an office because my preferred candidate happened to win really well.
to me, your system sounds like a bait and switch. A way the Dems could put Bernie at the face and get Hillary into an position of power kind of deal.
rather than 7 elected representatives from two parties, you get potentially only 1 elected representative, and 3 or 4 cronies.
you think THATS bad?
the previous dutch cabinet was a coalition between
"Business democrats"
and
"The labor party"
cuz people voted both of those in the most, but neither could make a majority
so people voted for Right-wingers and ended up with socialists
Imagine going to vote for President and you and everyone could chose between Hillary, Bernie, Trump, Bush and others. Would Hillary or Bernie or a third candidate win?
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