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They should move to Virginia, its a castle doctrine state
and it aint far from DC
but DC isnt
and they are in DC
Moving is a concession at this point.
I don't think he'll leave. He's going to stay until they stop or kill someone.
Hope it doesn't come to that
As long as he stays in DC they lose
When he moves away they win
I have made a concise description for the five pillars of what I am calling the Polist Ideology:
An unwavering belief in the democratic principles of individualism, self determination, and absolute equality.
Patriotic nationalism where one is loyal to the principles of the just nation rather than being loyal to a specific nationality.
Ensuring the continual relevancy of cultural and religious traditions through their adaption to keep them compatible with contemporary society.
Upholdence of both science and religion by letting science have sovereignty over temporal nature and religion over spiritual nature.
Cohabitation of multiple religious denominations within a state on the basis of a shared set of upheld morals and ideological principles.
Essentially, my idealized form of democratic populism.
When you say Polist Ideology you're not talking about /pol/, right?
I derive the word from the ancient-greek Polis which represented a soveriegn state ruled by the citizenry.
Another aspect of Polism is a belief in civic duty and state decentralization.
Based on a system similar to the Swiss.
Essentially direct democracy on the local(cantonal) level, representative democracy on the state level, and a federal democracy governed by what I call the confederal citizen, or confederates. Confederates are any citizen of the nation who did a term of service for the nation to display their willingness to put the good of the many over personal self interest. The typical form of service would be military, but that isn't necessary and the service can be essentially anything so long as it is arduous and a proper display of national duty.
So general citizens have high degree of autonomy and political control at the local and state level, but if they wish to have a say in federal politics they are required to prove their competency and worth.
```Hope it doesn't come to that```
With how the things are going and the idiocy on the left, that is what has to happen.
There has to be a death on either side for them to realize that its dumb. But even then they probably won't, so it will still escalate.
The only thing that can stop this insanity is the Media, they have to call out Antifa and disavow the Violence and Harrassment but they probably won't, thus it will end in a bloodbath - and the Left is to blame, they could stop that RIGHT NOW!
ANd of course Trump has to go after the Antifa Cells by all means necessary (within the law)
I don't think it will be a civil war, just a war of minority extremists on both sides. A gang war
It might stop, when they are able to get some teachers by the balls and put them in jail for a year or two.
The majority will back whoever seems to be on defense
```I don't think it will be a civil war, just a war of minority extremists on both sides. A gang war```
It depends on how much preassure "the right" feel right now....
We could have leftists false flag themselves or vice versa
Typical war starting stuff
Ww2 "how do we get the Americans to join the war"
Oh look our intel shows Japan plans to bomb pearl harbor a year from now
Let's let it happen but move our new ships out so we don't lose as much money
The real argument going on is "do we want a war among the people"
Not how to do it
No, of course we do not want a war between the People
I was referring to them
but if things are going to continue down this road, its unavidable...
Frankly I talk to some people who say they'd eat human flesh to survive if they had to and
I think I'd rather not live in that world anyway
So I don't really care, if it's unavoidable why worry
However I'd probably fight degenerates on any side if it comes to that
People need the media to be insane
Once the media is gone then I think people would come together
So I also doubt a civil war because they know it wouldn't last
Depends what the goal is
Yeah, if the Antifanten are known, it might be a 3 Week War or something short like that...
Hey, what is wrong with eating a bit of human flesh if you have to?
Thing is that "the right" fight for their lives, "the left" for some imaginary bullshit. Guess who has more incentive to really go through with it?
The left happily collectivise the right not so much it makes it easy for them to be picked off one at atime and they would be unlikely to take coordinated action till it was far riskier and they were on the back foot
*at a time
Because life shouldn't be about needing to do evil
I believe in a spiritual reality and so if it gets that bad I'm fine starving while being honorable
This world is a middle ground or testing ground. A place to grow and gain, or to fail and lose at a spiritual level.
We get purpose here, identity, wishes and regrets.
Surviving as a monster is failure.
I used to be an atheist til only 2 years ago. I realized Socrates and Descartes' logic is more sound than anything.
I opposed belief through faith of books. I approve of faith through logic.
If there was once only nothingness, then there would still be only nothingness. Since we have things, things always have been. Matter, spirit, soul, and the inevitable godhood.
That's how we end up with free will in a world of chaos and impermanence. But this is merely a plane. The original world of thought and spirit is more true.
This is thus comparatively a nightmare, but there is a darker nightmare we would call hell.
```Because life shouldn't be about needing to do evil```
In my Signature in some Forum I put:
"Helll is full of good intentions, Heaven is full of good Works"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5O2LL8Rzj8 (or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HVa9wJ3jZs with better view) ... livestream from Polish patriots march celebrating independence... you might hear about it in "news" under headline 'fascism reborns in Poland' or similar 😉 even if I'm not actively participating in it, for me its good test for government (if it is democratic or totalitarian, there were provocations in the past, attempts to block it) and media (if they're manipulative or accurate/reliable); it's supposed to start in about 40 minutes.
I've got a soldier to share today
My Dad's Grandfather
```Staff Sergeant William H. Savier of the 53rd Armored Infantry Battalion, U.S. Army.
Enlisted on 03/17/43 and served until 10/26/45 and despite years of insisting he spent his military career on K.P. Duty, he also participated in battle campaigns in Northern France, Rhineland and Ardennes.
A POW he was awarded, amongst other commendations, multiple Purple Hearts, the Distinguished Unit Citation, the Good Conduct Medal, the European African Middle Eastern Service Ribbon, the Combat Infantry Badge and the Bronze Star. ```
We've kept those medals, and his ceremonial sword is something I keep close track of and sometime soon I'll try and get professionally cleaned up, it's a little worn
You know I was looking at a baby and for a long time I used to think that babies have near infinite potential but now I dont think that people are just products of their iq and environment.
If someone is born poor and high iq they can move up
If they are born rich and low iq they will most likely drop in social stature
If poor and stupid they will do nothing
If rich and intelligent they can rule the world
Is that a bad thing though?
Is it wrong that the choices if your ancestors come to fruition in you
America is one of if the only countries in the world that a poor person with a good idea can be more
Only if that poor person as a child gets adequate nutrition and basic schooling
Poor nutrition starves the brain. Kills potential before it can blossom..
I dont know if thats how potential works
From what ive heard you cant go up
Except through learning a new language and playing an instrument
The brain is part of the body. If children don't have proper nutrition, thier brains will be stunted. It's really sad. That's why we have SNAP and school lunches.
We stopped physical evolution
Do we want to stop mental evolution by keeping stupid people alive
Do we really want to handicap our species like that?
But you could have a genius who never manifests because you don't feed him well as a child
Or if he gets sick and dies before he can do wonders
My point is we need to invest in all kids so that they can match thier potential
If we don't, other countries will and we will be poorer for it
I will invest in my kids others can do the same if they want
I wont invest in something that isnt mine
And thus we become poorer as a nation and the pie gets smaller. :-(
Welfare programs have many ill effects
I have yet to see any evidence showing they make society better
If you want to say they placate the stupid and keep them from learning id say thats possible
Ensuring kids grow up healthy and strong seems to be a winner. Healthy kids are less likely to grow to be dependent adults.
I see no evidence to support that claim
The welfare state as we have it has not only halted minority advancement it also took away the advancements in society many black people had made
But at least they eat and vote
Thomas sowell is an economist who has spent a very long time looking at social programs I would bet if he was asked directly he would say evil people made these programs to hurt his people
Everyone is ok spending everyone else’s money
As long as programs dont become corrupt and statistically work, I'm ok with helping out... I have a problem with welfare abuse and corruption... I'm a firm believer in resiliency/self reliance as well.
As we know government and private are all susceptible to abuse and corruption... we humans are clever things lol
I also dont like the idea that I'm forced to help by government either...
Unless we are willing to cull kids that have inadequate support, speaking entirely biologically it is better for us to ensure those kids grow up with the health and education to be productive members of society.
Otherwise we almost ensure they will grow to be wards of the state, either due to welfare or the justice system.
There's a lot of truth in that, and that's the struggle, where is the happy medium 😏
Id rather the justice system take care of them than waste money on social programs just to have the justice system have to kick in afterwards
But why not avoid the justice system entirely? Create contributing members of society?
Social programs dont do that
Youth programs do. Head Start, for example, has good data. So does school lunches. The youth programs are the success stories.
Boy scouts should be boys only end of story change my mind
I'm actually not going to try with that one
I don't think anyone here will take that bait
I was on 37% battery anyway
I'm a believer that there are differences between boys and girls, on average, and having spaces for each to develop independently while also ensuring they can relate well to each other is a good thing
I am a woman married to a woman and we have two kids, a boy and a girl. We have ensured our kids have male role models that they interact with all the time. Our son considers my dad his father and we've embraced that. My dad and my son talk about stuff my wife and I never hear about and that's a good thing.
I know. This browser Discord takes some getting used to. I'm also not the worlds best typist. 😿
I use mobile mostly
I do too, but I'm even slower at that. I didn't grow up with smart phones.
I used to be extremely slow
Wamen are different from mans
Don't you mean wamxn?
I vote for pragmatism
Fuck passion, let's get some shit done
Indeed, passion as a driving force alone is almost entirely worthless.
If I had a dick the idea of a bipartisan ticket would give me a hardon :p
But I don't like those policies. I don't think they're effective or good for the nation.
Compromise is bad?
Therefore, I do not want to make these positions prominent or encourage their growth.
I didn't say cooperation and compromise is bad. I'm saying that these specific policies they're promoting under 'moderation' are bad for the nation.
Just because something is proclaimed to be 'moderate' doesn't mean it's better.
I swear if these two run an independent ticket I may get politically active again for the first time since 1992. Between Never-Trumpers and Third Way Dems, it might be the only path to a successful third party
I never claimed it would be the truth, Jasse
Okay, but if you do that, don't do it because it's moderate. Do it because you believe their policies are the best for the nation.
I simply claimed that it might be the best way to heal a sharply divided nation
Time can also heal that division.
No it can't
Jasse, when there are tests you can apply to a hypothesis, I'll go with the data that result
There are many paths besides moderation.
Complacency is the word you're looking for
I've met girls who held grudges for 10 years
Well, I didn't want to write out explicitly some of the solutions that could occur during that time period.
I've met them too. And men who nurse bitterness for years as well.
You know what this means?
A large scale demographic survey on behavioral patterns!
Only one group can save us now!!
DANANANANANANANA AMISH AMISH BATMAN
Darn, this was all I could find.
It's just a small sample of sports games and a study of post-game activity, so take it with a grain of salt.
America can survive a second civil war, if anything it would be a good opportunity to reorient ourselves.
I mean, if you don't have a civil war every couple of centuries or so, do you *really* have a country?
All the great empires had civil wars, look at the Romans.
Even the Byzantines kept that tradition going strong until the end.
We need a colloseum to let people vent on each other
In reality, a civil war would either be instigated by institutionalized corporate democrats or radical democratic socialists. Either way the republicans and nationalists would win any conflict even if going against the state due to mutiny from the military if the government.
I've wanted a colloseum for a while now
I don't know about that, but I believe dueling should be legalized again.
Imagine how better gang violence would be if Jamal could legally confront Tyrone in a duel?
I would still say that duels shouldn't be to the death but to first blood, but even then I believe it would be a beneficial way to resolve heated conflicts that couldn't be resolved otherwise.
What is this nonsense about letting non-citizens vote?
Might as well let Russia send in absentee ballots.
Non-citizens cannot vote for any state or federal position in the US
True but why the hell is this happening? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawyers-for-gillum-nelson-campaigns-objected-to-noncitizens-vote-being-denied
They didn't count it but. Why was it even a question? Especially for lawyers.
DNC needs votes and they will take what ever votes they can get, be it from Mexico, Russian, or the Afterlife
Start submitting ballots for dead people. When you get caught, "It's what (s)he would have wanted."
I have no idea of what the lawyers knew at the time. It is possible they were just objecting until it could be confirmed that the person was a not citizen. Also, that non-citizen should be prosecuted.
Yeah article doesn't state the exact words they used
Anyone completing a ballot for someone else, unless they are directly assisting a handicapped person and only applying that person's will, should be prosecuted
Anyone unduly influencing a voter (i.e coercion or intimidation) should be prosecuted
We need to maintain the sanctity of the vote or we really are lost.
We all must recognise that we are divided on a knife's edge. Close elections will be the norm.
But it's so easy to make the allegation that people avoid doing it to avoid appearing as if they are using the law to attack their opposition.
I agree wholeheartedly, but it's one of those things where you have to be very careful. I'm guessing this is how Snipes got away with everything for so long.
I work in a business and we have policies for a reason.
You develop good policies before they are needed and you follow them religiously when they are needed.
Elections offices need to be religious about transparency. I have always voted in extremely transparent counties.
I can go on the internet and see exactly where and when my ballot was received and validated.
November 6, 2018 General Election
Your ballot was received on October 26, 2018.
In vote-by-mail they can link every counted ballot to a voter
And it's all public record
Should ballots be anonymous?
My votes were anonymous
But my ballot was not
Voting is public record in Oregon
You shouldn't know who cast the vote but every ballot should be tracked. Kinda like UPS tracking number.
It's basically high end Quality Assurance.
If your ballot has a name on it so does your votes. We don't have names on our ballots. You are validated at the door, then the ballots are checked for completion. But never is there a name on a ballot.
Not saying that system is good, but it's anonymous. At least as close as you get.
Ballots and envelopes are separated by a committee, never less than three people present
a lot of this problem is coming from early and absentee voting. votes cast in person on election day are hard to tamper with.
Both are saved so we know exactly who voted
The number should match
With proper procedures vote-by-mail can be quite secure. For those really worried (like me) you can deposit in secure boxes rather than place in the mail.
I love it because no lines, no issues with machines, no voter suppression. Lots of opportunity to sort out ballot issues.
And could take 3 weeks to get all the votes.
but "lots of opportunity to sort out ballot issues" is also lots of opportunity for fraud and tampering.
In Oregon that's not an issue. Vote-by-mail requires ballots to be in by election day. No late arrivals.
Washington is all absentee voting, so it takes 10 days before the cut off
The ballots procedures require proper security of the ballots
"secure box" I really don't trust that. I'm a little too good with my hands.
well, i don't know oregon. it may be a paragon of election integrity. but florida seems to be fucking this seemingly simple procedure up royally, mostly by excluding observers and having chain-of-custody failures.
I can't answer to that. I just know Oregon and Washington. I lived in IL for a short time but owned a house in WA and only rented in IL to remained a WA voter.
I now own houses in both OR and WA so switched to OR since that is where I am employed.
Mail is tamper-able. Secret police were extracting and re-inserting letters in the 1700s.
Like I said, I don't mail
And Washington has had it's own little "recount until we win" events in it's history.
Yes, but it's an option and alot of people do.
The ballots themselves require a signature and the signatures are compared to records
If there is a discrepency they call us
How? My signature never comes out the same way twice.
I can't be the only one.
Like I said. If it doesn't compare you get a phone call.
I'm saying that's all rather subjective.
And the parties do actually know how people tend to vote or have good ways of guessing. It can actually be kinda scary.
Obama really mastered it.
You've still also got all sorts of chain of custody issues when people do send by mail.
Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that Oregon has very high voting rates with the new process. And we can check up very quickly and easily on our ballot.
No one can "generate ballots"
I'm not so convinced.
Each envelope will match to a ballot
If you want to pay me as a security contractor, I'm sure I could figure out a way.
How do you do that match though? You would then be able to tie a vote to an address, violating secret ballot procedures.
if you have chain of custody issues with the storage boxes for ballots, they can just vanish the box and replace it with a new one full of completely different ballots. if they don't allow observers, you can just look at ballots (legit or fake) and tally whatever result you want. see an R box checked, but mark the vote for D.
You cannot connect a vote, just the envelope containing the ballot.
changing the number of ballots cast is difficult (though possible in small amounts), but changing the candidate voted for is trivial.