In no small part because the labels are fragmenting right now.

@pratel positions like social liberal aren't broad terms

The lean to the sides of social / classical liberal is so insignificant the difference doesn't really matter

The four way compass clears up some confusion, but its still really imperfect

8values is much better

Left-right in the political compass refer to economy

also do 8 values

Top down in the political compass refers to level of government control

Left right refers to economic values

https://i.imgur.com/3ui5PuB.png

I also think the left right divide is stupid and it should be libertarian / authoritarian but meh

That's the libertarian side, yes?

I'd view classical liberals on that right side circle

And positions like mine in the left circle

@Scarlet Sargon did the political compass recently

He was centre left

I remember sargons economic views being very traditionally right leaning

Honestly, it doesn't even matter.

Like, suppose you call yourself a faluhousa. It doesn't change a thing.

yeah thats part of why labels in general CAN be misleading

Labels are just labels.

But everyone fights over these labels as if there are clear distinctions.

Oh, labels do matter, pratel

Lol

im a homosexual, i really love my home 😄

Very much

They do, but it'd be nice if they mattered less

It can change anyone's approach to your arguments

Labels matter in coarse discourse

now that obama called out identity politics lets make a list of far lefties who will turn and start calling for civility

yeah a label doesnt dictate your feelings on a very specific issue

But it doesn't matter if you are actually going to take the time to figure out how someone thinks.

XD

Obama called out Identity politics?

@Timcast Heterodox Academy?

@pratel no one does so except intellectuals

yes very much he did

Nice

They've stopped calling out IDpol, but they started with some strong anti-IDPol lefties.

civility is a construct of the white heteropatriarchy

Labels also may describe you as what you are not (in a stereotypical sense)

And that is counterproductive

https://t.co/GlQGo1Qym0

yeah lol for real

✊🏾 stay woke JULZ

Yay Obama!

I am actually SUPER IMPRESSED with Obama on that.

I knew he couldn't be that bad

Im still really meh about Obama in general, but i approve of this.

A lot of people saying 'oh it's safe for him to say that shit because he's not in power'

He's still saying it

well, when you don't need to worry about elections anymore, it's easier to speak out against crazies

yeah i mean in SA its actually probably a contentious thing to say there too

But the thing is, there are STILL tons of fucking people who look up to him

I hereby officially proclaim that I am a labelfluid

and having him say something like that is BIG,

I'm still torn on it all. He's been coming out strongly for stuff like Free speech and anti-IDPol for awhile now.

But I haven't seen him really use it to intervene in anything or really push a stance in a significant way.

You can't be labelfluid because 'labelfluid' is a label and your label might change .. my brain is melting

yeah ofcourse he wont address anitfa or socjus wariors

they were hillarious's base

Well he's at least saying the 'right' things now, better then him not doing so right?

I'll agree with that.

Yeah, not trying to minimalize what Obama did at all. I respect him for that anyway.

But I'm still hoping he takes a stronger stance on these things and actually use his position in a way that really breaks the divide.

i am fluidfluid

its a superfluid

yeah for real try to at least bring some radicals back to a point of reason

clearly this is the next evolution of the lefts fluid dynamics

fluid simulations are rape and should be outlawed

LOL falling sand games ftw

So what you are saying is Obama is now alt-right?

Obviously

He even tidied up his room, haven't you heard?

He's pretty centrist, i dont think that'll ever change

cmon he was always nazi .. he .. he.. *rumages trough history to find something*

XD yep good ole bamz a tool of the fallogocentric west

Fun fact, Obama is centre right

XD yeahhhhhhhh especially now hahahahahahahha

By today's standards it is hard to be left of Centre right

He was probably this all along

But he had to say things to appeal to voters

I don't really think Obama was that center-right.

lol well that is the job of a politician

I think it's the other way around. He wanted to be further left but electoral realities interfered.

especically when he endorsed Hillarious

So he ended up running much more moderately than his most vocal base really wanted.

When I saw him, he was talking about the value of getting a job, personal responsibility, and family values

He campaigned on being leftist, but what he actually did was pretty centrist.

i remember when he was talking about borders essentially saying the same trump is saying now back in the day

Except the thousands of missiles at Syria....

Here's the other thing. The parties are realigning.

before he ran or at the beginning of his run fo rprez

Obama is also a big talker though. He has made a lot of promises only to never to bring up the subject again.

Like, I think most of this board is now (including Tim) "on the right" even if they'd endorse traditionally "leftist" positions.

lol well in the current US political climate

Because politics in the US (and US affiliated places) tends to try and map all of politics onto a 1-d axis (which creates obvious problems)

For sure the right is the liberal side now

not all of us are in teh US though

Yes, which is another one of the problems of labels.

I'd say the 4x4 square at the centre below the line, counts as liberals

Funny that conservatives and liberals are on the same team

yeah they dont apply the same around the world

I have a theory

Society was liberal for years

So when it changes

Liberal become conservative

lol i just think of that meme where the guys like, "well i never thought wed be fighting side by side old enemy" and its christians and atheists ready to figh SJWs

Well thats not much of a theory, that does indeed happen

Well left and right originally just came from the 2 majorities in an old for m of congress

Like for example in Romania today

in an ideal world we could all be conservative

Conservatives are communists

Not socialism vs capitalism

because teh values we hold would be worht conserving

And the left is liberal capitalists

Goddamn france corrupting politics forever

DARN YOU DESCARTES

I remember this game I used to play where you micromanage politics

Democracy 3?

LOL what kind of fucked up childhood did you have??

When the liberals push for a bill, and you approve it, they become conservative

it's not really 'liberals' become 'conservative' ..liberalism is about principles more than anything, it's social norms that are progressive over time become coservative

hahahahahahhahaha

Nvm

@JULZIFICATOR I WAS A NERD OKAY

XD its okay we are all nerds in our own way

I bet you were Dictator in that game all the time

Oh no, I did all kinds of shit

Dictator yes

Man I miss that game

I need to find what it is

But for real though, gay marriage becoming universal accepted has been one of the worst things for the left as far as membership

Many on the left are there for one issue

"i move that the respectable member of parialiment from westchester be DECAPITATED OVER DESPACITO 2" "all in favour say aye"

The game is you making decisions all the time so you can't really be anything else kinda hehe

Kinda?

You can make your own decisions and bills

I don't remember in Democracy being any element of democratic decision you have no choice of refusing

Kill off political opposition

yeah thats the thing with conservatives is that theres always something threatening to challange one of your beloved values even if you keep the same ones

so you can keep being conservative

for greater good !

FOREVER MUHUHUAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Hey goys

I have question

*nose grows* what is it ?

what???

is it?

You know how people like Alexandria o cortez are campaigning for LGBTQ rights

Conservative and liberal gets mixed up with left and right I feel like

aye indeed

What right do LGBTQ people lack exactly

are she be doign all the ayes in that favour

LOL

to not be offended

Like, they can marry, they can adopt

lol well the privledge* not to be offended

They can do anything anyone else can

But they still need rights?

well they cant show their dicks n pussies in public without braking the law?

isnt that something you need to do when gay

It had something to fight for not so long ago but now.. idk really

oh wait

its not

At this point it's a dead horse like feminism

The only right that women dont have is the right to go topless in public

Which they can do anyway

that's not womans right issue

Yea

man can't go bottomless either

Yep

No one's gonna arrest a woman for going topless though lol

lol yeah i still see shit about people bitching at women for breast feeding their kids

public decency laws always baffled me

Or do anything really

i saw the stupidest shit though

like that saying breastfeeding your child is good for them is bigoted because it enforces the gender binary or its transphobic or some shit

well, tits are threatening .. apparently

What even man

like becuase baby formula exists

@Sennywell, stormy Daniels attacked people with her breasts

Literally

woah

we need reasonable tits control

Fucking mastectomies for everyone to not be transphobic

"like that saying breastfeeding your child is good for them is bigoted because it enforces the gender binary or its transphobic or some shit"

Please no

Dont torture me like this

humans just need to become borgs finaly

and then with that whole thing with that story i vaguely remember from a couple days ago about how a bunch of baby formula companies were lobbying to try to keep public breastfeeding outlawed so they could see a return in their profits

it's the only solution

You should join the feminist groups here

Wait

Hold on

god I miss star trek new gen

Breast feeding outlawed?

In public you mean?

next

Or...?

lol i mean in public

whatever was it

Oh okay.

lol sorry @Scarlet didnt mean to spout that BS hahahaha

i tried to exorcise it from my brain so its very vague even if its from liek 2 days ago

Also for the LGBTQ stuff

That's actually kind of a non-issue up here in moose land

AYYE MOOSE LAND REPRESENT

canadia

We've had gay rights laws since the early 2000's

And its just not something thats talked about in politics much anymore

But you down there in the south

w2c fag rights for east europe ?

i mean as far as trans or gender non binary people can be queer or something

You needed a fucking supreme court ruling

the peterson thing was the most recent and that was like 2 years ago now or something

fuck

Also, i kinda dont like LGBT/Q/

Like do you really need /Q/?

LOL QOIAP

I get how it fits into the SJW stuff, but fuck

If you go to a it's even longer.

I think the uni closest to me is up to 12 letters last I checked.

doesn't the LGBT imply Q ?

Yeah, it more-a-less does, but the Q is there for shit like gender fluid and demi gender

and what have you

les gay bi trans queef intersex androgen .....

uhhh

peen

queer.

idk what the other one was

Questioning

They added black people into it too

Les, Gay, Bi, Trans, Queer

Asexual.

AHH YEAH QQ

Because it is now a gender too

Asexual doesnt even really need to be on there imo

My hobby is not collecting stamps

It falls within normal sexuality in practice imo

My sexuality is none

HEY STAMPS ARE COOL

LOL jk i know what ur doin bud

if you are 60 and bored

I was just making a case for a logical bankrupcy of asexual being sexual orientation

if youre asexual, that measn youre voluntary celibate right? we shoudl start a troll campaign to try to convert incels to being voluntary cel

Asexual usually means a person have very low, or literally no sex drive

They often have a sexual preference for who they date anyways though

And even if they dont, that's still bi

So fuck it

LOL yeah they will just fuck it