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2018-10-11 18:29:02 UTC

Wow... when reality bites them in the ass and having to be responsible for their actions, they don't like it.

2018-10-11 18:29:22 UTC

nice pasta

2018-10-11 18:29:27 UTC

^

2018-10-11 18:29:38 UTC

if only that were real

2018-10-11 18:29:38 UTC

That is reality, you hurt other people and destroy other's stuff, you will be forced to face your actions.

2018-10-11 18:29:45 UTC

@Abel Is there a link to that post?

2018-10-11 18:29:59 UTC

Its a 4chins post

2018-10-11 18:30:10 UTC
2018-10-11 18:30:19 UTC

Thread is prob kil

2018-10-11 18:30:41 UTC

Shame.

2018-10-11 18:30:51 UTC

Its not reddit, so thats good

2018-10-11 18:32:14 UTC

Found it.

2018-10-11 18:32:48 UTC

Hey cool

2018-10-11 18:35:15 UTC

You wonder how many of these folks have jobs.

2018-10-11 18:35:34 UTC

Just gibberish ...

2018-10-11 18:35:44 UTC

Judging by Captain Bike Lock... Probably a fair few.

2018-10-11 18:35:47 UTC

Most of them have arts degrees

2018-10-11 18:36:03 UTC

And others are tenured professors

2018-10-11 18:36:36 UTC

Nice find @Abel

2018-10-11 18:36:50 UTC

You're welcome

2018-10-11 18:36:50 UTC

@xorgy Get anywhere? I haven't heard anything.

2018-10-11 18:37:12 UTC

@Inquisition No, I didn't get anywhere, looks sketchy AF, NFI where the money goes.

2018-10-11 18:37:17 UTC

Stocks just broke to session lows for today. I still think Fed is driving markets lower ahead of mid-terms to make Trump look bad ...

2018-10-11 18:37:24 UTC

wat do

2018-10-11 18:37:24 UTC

time to at least say my piece somewhere about it.

2018-10-11 18:37:28 UTC

(I guess)

2018-10-11 18:37:39 UTC

Yeah, but where?

2018-10-11 18:37:46 UTC

yt?

2018-10-11 18:37:48 UTC

4chan?

2018-10-11 18:38:02 UTC

I think that's kinda all that can be done

2018-10-11 18:40:14 UTC

Wow there is so much backlash against that post.

2018-10-11 18:40:24 UTC

People are really laying into that Antifa person.

2018-10-11 18:42:26 UTC
2018-10-11 18:42:32 UTC

Only sad part about that post on 4chan is so many people are playing right into what Antifa will use as ammo for recruitment.

2018-10-11 18:43:16 UTC

thats great

2018-10-11 18:44:13 UTC

I am only for the death penalty for a select few. Like mass murders.

2018-10-11 18:44:17 UTC

Life in a US jail, Death. I know what I'd pick.

2018-10-11 18:44:23 UTC

Markets picking up speed to the down side. Lower than what they were when Trump was elected. I am sure this is algo driven to make Trump look bad. I can hear CNN now ... markets are tanking ... because TRUMP!

2018-10-11 18:44:24 UTC

I used to believe in the death penalty, but I changed my mind when I became more libertarian

2018-10-11 18:44:39 UTC

I can't trust the government to not kill innocent people

2018-10-11 18:44:51 UTC

This is FED induced ...

2018-10-11 18:44:53 UTC

Trader... it will go back up.

2018-10-11 18:44:54 UTC

Soon.

2018-10-11 18:44:58 UTC

Trust me.

2018-10-11 18:45:13 UTC

Sure, but they will use this ahead of the mid-terms.

2018-10-11 18:45:22 UTC

The thing with the death penalty is that it demands not only a very terrible crime, but it also requires a very high standard for evidence.

2018-10-11 18:45:50 UTC

i still disagree wtih it

2018-10-11 18:45:52 UTC

killing is wrong

2018-10-11 18:46:00 UTC

Hi Tim! :D

2018-10-11 18:46:20 UTC

i dont agree with abortion issue but as someone who doesnt like government authority I dont like restricting access

2018-10-11 18:46:34 UTC

I'm pro-life in principle, but pro-choice in practice.

2018-10-11 18:46:51 UTC

Well both are our opinions.

2018-10-11 18:47:01 UTC

Neither decision is to be done lightly.

2018-10-11 18:47:03 UTC

The thing with abortion is it's a deadlocked issue. Nothing will budge until someone invents a way to actually save aborted fetuses so they can still grow outside the womb.

2018-10-11 18:47:18 UTC

How can someone be pro-choice but anti death penalty?

2018-10-11 18:47:28 UTC

I just think death penalty should only be reserved for the absolute worst crimes. Like mass murders and assassinations.

2018-10-11 18:47:30 UTC

Well, the main issue with abortion is that people argue two different points.

2018-10-11 18:47:45 UTC

As for Abortion... I couldn't care less either way.

2018-10-11 18:47:47 UTC

@Timcast fine but i definitely want the government completely and utterly out of it then

2018-10-11 18:48:00 UTC

Death penalty is tempting but dangerous.

2018-10-11 18:48:02 UTC

It's not a matter of life for pro-choice, it's not a matter of choice for pro-life.

2018-10-11 18:48:34 UTC

I'm going to have to disagree there.

2018-10-11 18:48:35 UTC

If I had a choice... I would choose pro-choice.

2018-10-11 18:48:40 UTC

im not pro life. I'm just anti abortion

2018-10-11 18:48:47 UTC

People should have the right to choose.

2018-10-11 18:48:51 UTC

I'm pro-choice only because I understand that circumstances are complicated.

2018-10-11 18:48:54 UTC

We shouldn't be forcing people to do things.

2018-10-11 18:48:59 UTC

but if it means that all I can do is keep the govt out of the business of being involved in it im ok with that

2018-10-11 18:49:10 UTC

I actually believe that babies should get a chance to live but reality has other ideas.

2018-10-11 18:49:33 UTC

This rabbit hole of a conversation would go on for ages

2018-10-11 18:49:42 UTC

If we do go Pro-life, we should encourage people to put babies up for adoption.

2018-10-11 18:49:45 UTC

I don't trust to the government with the death penalty. I recognize that there's an emotional response that I would have to a child molester or mass murderer, and you can't act legally based on emotions, especially when there's life on the line.

2018-10-11 18:49:49 UTC

but to say the least, I think you are deeply mistaken @Dusty Morgan

2018-10-11 18:49:54 UTC

The abortion debate is pretty much a stalemate IMO.

2018-10-11 18:50:23 UTC

specifically regarding the "forcing people to do things" part of it

2018-10-11 18:50:36 UTC

as for the death penalty, im all for it

2018-10-11 18:50:38 UTC

How am I deeply mistaken? I think we should have pro-choice up to a certain point. After that it should be pro-life and if people don't want, they should be encourage to put baby up for adoption.

2018-10-11 18:50:43 UTC

yeah nobody asked but still

2018-10-11 18:50:44 UTC

lol

2018-10-11 18:51:17 UTC

But the truth is that we don't have a proper punishment people who do commit serious crimes, because we can't really impose anything that would serve justice for some crimes. I'm not sure what my stance is on it still.

2018-10-11 18:51:21 UTC

@Dusty Morgan you made a choice by being sexually active and, in a wildly large number of cases, unprotected

2018-10-11 18:51:33 UTC

prison should not be punishment

2018-10-11 18:51:36 UTC

it should be rehabilitation

2018-10-11 18:51:42 UTC

no the death penalty should be punishment though

2018-10-11 18:51:45 UTC

That's a fair point.

2018-10-11 18:51:53 UTC

Well punishment does need to happen, but there should be some rehabilitation centers in prison.

2018-10-11 18:51:57 UTC

Why not both?

2018-10-11 18:52:01 UTC

To help people get back into society.

2018-10-11 18:52:07 UTC

punishment is illogical

2018-10-11 18:52:16 UTC

Tim, some ppl are beyond help. And some ppl deserve to be punished.

2018-10-11 18:52:20 UTC

Explain what you mean Tim.

2018-10-11 18:52:20 UTC

no they dont

2018-10-11 18:52:24 UTC

its just emotional satisfaction

2018-10-11 18:52:27 UTC

it does nothing

2018-10-11 18:52:32 UTC

waste of time and energy

2018-10-11 18:52:35 UTC

right

2018-10-11 18:52:36 UTC

so kill them

2018-10-11 18:52:37 UTC

either we rehabilitate or we dont

2018-10-11 18:52:41 UTC

kiling is wrong

2018-10-11 18:52:46 UTC

is it though?

2018-10-11 18:52:49 UTC

killing is immoral

2018-10-11 18:52:51 UTC

yes

2018-10-11 18:52:51 UTC

It should be neither punishment nor rehabilitation, but separation. Prison is to keep society safe from criminals. It's not for the criminal's benefit, it's for society's.

2018-10-11 18:52:52 UTC

Punish people for doing wrong, encourage people for doing right. Set them on right path.

2018-10-11 18:52:57 UTC

in ALL cases killing is wrong?

2018-10-11 18:53:01 UTC

punishment doesnt change behavior

2018-10-11 18:53:02 UTC

You're right, Tim. I should have used a different word. I suppose I meant more of... there's no way to bring justice to it.

2018-10-11 18:53:03 UTC

But give them the tools to help them on right path.

2018-10-11 18:53:12 UTC

exactly

2018-10-11 18:53:16 UTC

The fear of prison does put some ppl off commiting crime.

2018-10-11 18:53:19 UTC

gaming content when

2018-10-11 18:53:23 UTC

^

2018-10-11 18:53:27 UTC

Only if they arent desperate

2018-10-11 18:53:28 UTC

we should have prison "colonies" in the sense that they have to fend for themselves and live together

2018-10-11 18:53:31 UTC

but you're telling me all killing is immoral?

2018-10-11 18:53:32 UTC

What is with "saudi assassination squad"

2018-10-11 18:53:34 UTC

they do it in scandanavia

2018-10-11 18:53:38 UTC

@Timcast A lot of people are very broken. This is a lot to ask others to pay for, it would be very expensive if not impossible to solve the worlds problems like this.

2018-10-11 18:53:41 UTC

If you don't punish a murderer or rapist... they just blow it off. Like it doesn't matter if they go to prison, they are being taught and they can ignore it.

2018-10-11 18:53:43 UTC

like, drop them on an island

2018-10-11 18:53:45 UTC

Id like to point to Brevik as a person who cannot be rehabilitated

2018-10-11 18:53:54 UTC

Can we have pubg?

2018-10-11 18:53:54 UTC

you cant kill someone becuase you dont want to feed them

2018-10-11 18:53:56 UTC

You got to encourage people on right path.

2018-10-11 18:53:57 UTC

more Australias?

2018-10-11 18:54:04 UTC

Discourage them going on wrong path.

2018-10-11 18:54:04 UTC

Completely in control of his faculties, no mental or psychological disorders

2018-10-11 18:54:05 UTC

either lock them up and assume responsibility or let them go

2018-10-11 18:54:06 UTC

I think this was done before

2018-10-11 18:54:10 UTC

see now that's totally different to what it sounded like

2018-10-11 18:54:14 UTC

In a movie

2018-10-11 18:54:21 UTC

Make the other path less inviting.

2018-10-11 18:54:30 UTC

death penalty doesnt deter crimes either

2018-10-11 18:54:32 UTC

its in a game called S

2018-10-11 18:54:33 UTC

SCUM

2018-10-11 18:54:35 UTC

no one cares about the punishment

2018-10-11 18:54:39 UTC

100% unapologetic of his killings and in court said his only regret was "that i didnt kill more pople"

2018-10-11 18:54:44 UTC

@Timcast im not using it to DETER peopel

2018-10-11 18:54:46 UTC

**people

2018-10-11 18:54:59 UTC

You absolutely can. If some one has proven to sociaty that they are broken and sever no purpose but to be fed and clothed you kill them.

2018-10-11 18:54:59 UTC

That is because we allow Prison to end up as training camps for criminals.

2018-10-11 18:55:01 UTC

But who gets tossed in there... anyone that committed a violent crime?

2018-10-11 18:55:02 UTC

To become a better criminal.

2018-10-11 18:55:07 UTC

in all seriousness gaming content when

2018-10-11 18:55:08 UTC

its primary function is to remove individuals who releasing, or even keeping in the prison system, is dangerous

2018-10-11 18:55:10 UTC

Okay. Let's play this thought game for a second. You have someone who is so broken that they want to get the high score for making as many people as miserable as possible. Unless you really want to do some heavy brainwashing you won't change them.

2018-10-11 18:55:28 UTC

I think we need both punishment and rehabilitation.

2018-10-11 18:55:29 UTC

Contain until we can fix 'em.

2018-10-11 18:55:31 UTC

I don't have a job, so rob a bank and get free rehabilitation and maybe free education in Bernie's world.

2018-10-11 18:55:46 UTC
2018-10-11 18:55:53 UTC

Give them the tools to become better citizen, but at the same them make the criminal path less inviting and less rewarding.

2018-10-11 18:55:57 UTC

I'd garnish wages.

2018-10-11 18:55:59 UTC

Theoretically the idea would be to focus on rehabilitating non violent criminals to start with

2018-10-11 18:56:11 UTC

So people are pissed at trump for selling arms to saudi Arabia?

2018-10-11 18:56:15 UTC

why?

2018-10-11 18:56:21 UTC

we've done that hundreds of times

2018-10-11 18:56:25 UTC

@Zuihou I'm pissed anyone sells anything to SA ever

2018-10-11 18:56:25 UTC

they didn't bitch then

2018-10-11 18:56:30 UTC

Ever

2018-10-11 18:56:34 UTC

So crime does pay. Free rehabilitation.

2018-10-11 18:56:39 UTC

Because a journalist went missing and people assumed the government ordered the journalist execution

2018-10-11 18:56:39 UTC

Because they should have the least amount of work to be done of them

2018-10-11 18:56:44 UTC

I am all for rehabilitation, but I am for a mix type.

2018-10-11 18:56:47 UTC

@TraderPropShop The issue is reoffense.

2018-10-11 18:56:53 UTC

Without rehab reoffense isa thing

2018-10-11 18:56:53 UTC

yeah that's my thinking

2018-10-11 18:56:54 UTC

@Zuihou he went missing inside the saudi embassy in turkey

2018-10-11 18:56:58 UTC

you're just saying crime gets you somewhere

2018-10-11 18:57:19 UTC

obviously probably not murder but definitely petty crime

2018-10-11 18:57:23 UTC

ofc we need rehabilitation but that is not saying that prison should not be pounishment. Not everyone can be fixxed. I think it is cruel to lock up people that have been done for petty crimes with hardened criminals. One should be punished the other should be helped.

2018-10-11 18:57:25 UTC

72% Reoffense rate for arrested violent criminals in USA

2018-10-11 18:57:30 UTC

@Blackhawk342 is it proven or this is conspiracy theory time

2018-10-11 18:57:31 UTC

72%.

2018-10-11 18:57:33 UTC

how about non violent?

2018-10-11 18:57:43 UTC

That SA killed the journalist

2018-10-11 18:57:49 UTC

They spend time in prison, they must pay a price for their actions. But also give them a path to a better life through rehabilitation. Make it much more inviting to go down rehabilitation. If they keep going down the other path, they will receive more punishment.

2018-10-11 18:57:56 UTC

I don't think you can have one without the other.

2018-10-11 18:58:00 UTC

cuz im sorry you're not going to convince the public to prefer rehabilitation for violent criminals

2018-10-11 18:58:01 UTC

We honestly should charge the prison any time they get a reoffender.

2018-10-11 18:58:01 UTC

@Zuihou Thats where the world is stuck currently, the american government says he went into the embassy and never came out, the saudis say he left shortly after arriving

2018-10-11 18:58:12 UTC

@ArdBoy that's a good idea

2018-10-11 18:58:14 UTC

Watch them go full rehab REAL fast

2018-10-11 18:58:34 UTC

Wow, left pushing a conspiracy theory

2018-10-11 18:58:36 UTC

<:springTea:427818533431410691>

2018-10-11 18:58:41 UTC

i mean even if they didn't, there would be a profit incentive in our private prison system

2018-10-11 18:58:46 UTC

Logic is; if a prisoner reoffends, it means the prison did not do the job it contractually agreed to do.

2018-10-11 18:59:05 UTC

Breach of contract=Give the US Gov the moneys back

2018-10-11 18:59:07 UTC

Currently, since job history is so important to job seeking, imprisonment is a double whammy against people who have served time.

2018-10-11 18:59:07 UTC

Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say?

2018-10-11 18:59:22 UTC

im not sure I saw what you said

2018-10-11 18:59:34 UTC

oh ok

2018-10-11 18:59:42 UTC

yeah I'm not sure anyone necessarily disagrees with you

2018-10-11 18:59:43 UTC

He wants punishment for severe crimes and rehab for non violent ones

2018-10-11 18:59:43 UTC

I cant wait for saturday

2018-10-11 18:59:45 UTC

unless you're tim

2018-10-11 18:59:45 UTC

They spend time in prison, they must pay a price for their actions. But also give them a path to a better life through rehabilitation. Make it much more inviting to go down rehabilitation. If they keep going down the other path, they will receive more punishment.

2018-10-11 18:59:50 UTC

It's outcome policing instead of trying to gauge the situation on the ground.

2018-10-11 18:59:51 UTC

That is what I said.

2018-10-11 18:59:52 UTC

in which case disagreement is what he does

2018-10-11 18:59:59 UTC

@Dusty Morgan Isn't that what happens now though?

2018-10-11 19:00:00 UTC

Get to see more sjw cry about goblin slayer episode 2

2018-10-11 19:00:01 UTC

Okay. Here's a good question. Should people in prison have the right to vote? If you say no, you have to admit that this is suspending their rights until they've served their time, and that would mean it is, in fact, a form of punishment. I think Dusty is right, you can't have one without the other, but that's more a matter of the reality of time in prison.

2018-10-11 19:00:05 UTC

If the prison did it's job, the prisoner won't reoffend. If they fucked up, we'll know.

2018-10-11 19:00:15 UTC

@Tress In prison? no

2018-10-11 19:00:19 UTC

Out fo prison, yes.

2018-10-11 19:00:20 UTC

Now really @Inquisition We are sorely lacking on rehabilitation.

2018-10-11 19:00:27 UTC

yeah definitely not in prison

2018-10-11 19:00:35 UTC

committing a crime means you violated the social contract

2018-10-11 19:00:35 UTC

We need more rehabilitation centers in prisons.

2018-10-11 19:00:45 UTC

But the punishment needs to be adjusted to fit the crime.

2018-10-11 19:00:52 UTC

And drug war needs to end.

2018-10-11 19:00:53 UTC

by violating that contract you are in effect stating you didn't want to be a part of the social and governmental system

2018-10-11 19:00:53 UTC

But does rehabilitation work?

2018-10-11 19:00:56 UTC

I am absolutely in favor of rehabilitation in prison. I've seen the numbers for re-offending

2018-10-11 19:00:57 UTC

it does

2018-10-11 19:01:08 UTC

It works.

2018-10-11 19:01:10 UTC

Honestly as long as we don't get reoffense and we aren't violating human rights, whichever works

2018-10-11 19:01:11 UTC

There is evidence to support that it does work.

2018-10-11 19:01:16 UTC

let the prisons spend the money figuring it out

2018-10-11 19:01:17 UTC

Just needs to be encouraged while the other path is discouraged.

2018-10-11 19:01:18 UTC

ok saying "it works" isn't evidence

2018-10-11 19:01:26 UTC

so just post something please

2018-10-11 19:01:29 UTC

anything

2018-10-11 19:01:40 UTC

fuck it, it can even be from Occupy Democrats

2018-10-11 19:01:46 UTC

I'm sure they have a few hundred memes

2018-10-11 19:01:50 UTC

I like the idea of, if you are not contributing to society, you can't vote. Hence pay not tax and you can't vote, with a few exceptions (education, etc ...).

2018-10-11 19:01:50 UTC

KEK

2018-10-11 19:02:01 UTC

Starship troopers

2018-10-11 19:02:05 UTC

@TraderPropShop Ehh thats eh

2018-10-11 19:02:08 UTC

@TraderPropShop i dislike that idea

2018-10-11 19:02:10 UTC

only people who served can vote

2018-10-11 19:02:10 UTC

The pros for Rehabilitation needs to outweigh the cons for criminal life.

2018-10-11 19:02:10 UTC

Like I get it

2018-10-11 19:02:15 UTC
2018-10-11 19:02:17 UTC

And ther eis a logic to it

2018-10-11 19:02:19 UTC

no way

2018-10-11 19:02:34 UTC

But the issue is, you NEED voting as a social safety valve

2018-10-11 19:02:34 UTC

From the point at which you are able to be drafted until you die you have a right to vote

2018-10-11 19:02:38 UTC

Constitutional rights shouldn't be infringed upon.

2018-10-11 19:02:43 UTC

Or you get commie insurrections

2018-10-11 19:02:47 UTC

Sorry... I am against taking away voting rights.

2018-10-11 19:02:51 UTC

look i love the guys I served with, but man...

2018-10-11 19:02:54 UTC

@Timcast Served time in prison, or served time in the military?

2018-10-11 19:03:20 UTC

Hes talking about service garuntees citizenship meme

2018-10-11 19:03:21 UTC

military

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