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2018-10-10 18:09:52 UTC

its like bro just get guns lmao

2018-10-10 18:10:06 UTC

But since it's CNN, its all right

2018-10-10 18:10:11 UTC

Of course.

2018-10-10 18:10:25 UTC

thats because nobody listens to CNN anymore when it comes to this

2018-10-10 18:11:04 UTC

Funnily enough, CNN's branch in Indonesia is one of the few most neutral news outlet for us.

2018-10-10 18:11:13 UTC

lol

2018-10-10 18:11:38 UTC

They have competent journalists and casts here

2018-10-10 18:12:09 UTC

Thats totally possible, they probably work more or less independent

2018-10-10 18:12:10 UTC

brb moving to Indonesia for the fair press coverage

2018-10-10 18:13:20 UTC

Tbh, press coverage here is somewhat fair (when you're talking about national news networks)

2018-10-10 18:14:57 UTC

#votePrabowoSubianto

2018-10-10 18:15:01 UTC

Although the infrastructure in Indonesia is far from good

2018-10-10 18:15:28 UTC

Not a fan of prabowo tbh.

2018-10-10 18:15:31 UTC

you don't need much infrastructure for good journalism in current year anyway

2018-10-10 18:15:51 UTC

New order didn't fancy my taste

2018-10-10 18:15:58 UTC

better than Joko ๐Ÿ‘

2018-10-10 18:16:46 UTC

Not really, both candidates have their own demerits

2018-10-10 18:16:59 UTC

A New New Order honestly looks better than a Liberal Democracy given the state of West rn

2018-10-10 18:17:04 UTC

that's true

2018-10-10 18:17:29 UTC

Prabowo is not the Hero we need, but the one we Deserve ๐Ÿ˜‚

2018-10-10 18:17:46 UTC

New new order backed by religious extremists and oligarchs? Thanks, but no thanks

2018-10-10 18:17:57 UTC

like Russia!!!

2018-10-10 18:18:04 UTC

Russia is awesome

2018-10-10 18:18:17 UTC

uhhh

2018-10-10 18:18:22 UTC

Indonesia will be the Russia of the South

2018-10-10 18:18:38 UTC

yeap that broke my sarcasm counter

2018-10-10 18:18:51 UTC

In a couple of years he will annex Malaysia and Brunei

2018-10-10 18:19:03 UTC

It will be Great

2018-10-10 18:19:15 UTC

Very unlikely for us to break peace with ASEAN nations, stormtrooper

2018-10-10 18:19:26 UTC

A man can dream

2018-10-10 18:19:31 UTC

mostly because i dont think indonesia has the force projection

2018-10-10 18:19:34 UTC

If you even remotely understand international relations

2018-10-10 18:19:48 UTC

I just want to see the dream of Indonesia Raya be fulfilled

2018-10-10 18:19:53 UTC

Lol

2018-10-10 18:19:58 UTC

lol

2018-10-10 18:20:01 UTC

Not with that guy

2018-10-10 18:20:07 UTC

Singapore will get into the mix

2018-10-10 18:20:17 UTC

Singapore will be the Capital

2018-10-10 18:20:24 UTC

gotta watch out for those micro nations

2018-10-10 18:20:34 UTC

they're the small dogos of the international community

2018-10-10 18:20:39 UTC

Soon, maldives will rule Asia

2018-10-10 18:20:44 UTC

Lol jk

2018-10-10 18:20:48 UTC

in that they bark a lot

2018-10-10 18:20:51 UTC

honestly Putrajaya is a beautiful capital city

2018-10-10 18:21:14 UTC

Interesting data on global emissions

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/499647614682136591/IMG_20181010_234812.jpg

2018-10-10 18:21:36 UTC

I've been to Singapore. Lovely place but so expensive.

2018-10-10 18:21:41 UTC

Nah, solomon island will somehow annex everyone

2018-10-10 18:21:58 UTC

national review has an interesting bit about sweden

2018-10-10 18:22:12 UTC

Singapore is expensive because tourists go to all the touristy areas

2018-10-10 18:22:24 UTC

By lovely, you mean, a surveillance state ruled by an authoritaroan autocrat?

2018-10-10 18:22:34 UTC

@oprahsminge what's it about??

2018-10-10 18:22:43 UTC

put it in newsroom

2018-10-10 18:23:00 UTC

it talks about misconceptions the left and right have about the country

2018-10-10 18:23:05 UTC

I meant good place to visit not to live

2018-10-10 18:23:21 UTC

@oprahsminge can you give a gist if you read the whole thing?

2018-10-10 18:23:24 UTC

i like, at least in theory, the idea behind their version of social security

2018-10-10 18:23:35 UTC

deregulation

2018-10-10 18:23:52 UTC

Singapore is a great place to live tbh, just that your voting doesn't really matter

2018-10-10 18:24:29 UTC

basically it talks about the rather unique circumstances that allow sweden to be sweden in terms of the way it runs

2018-10-10 18:24:54 UTC

they benefit from being a relatively low population country that has a very deep interpersonal trust

2018-10-10 18:25:05 UTC

on economic issues they are further right than the american right

2018-10-10 18:25:13 UTC

in some ways at least

2018-10-10 18:26:11 UTC

theres a film coming out called "Sweden: Lessons for America?"

2018-10-10 18:26:16 UTC

I may need to watch this

2018-10-10 18:26:59 UTC

based on the description there's a few things that simply wont work here

2018-10-10 18:27:23 UTC

some of these things require trust of government which americans simply don't have

2018-10-10 18:27:30 UTC

as much as the left pretends they do

2018-10-10 18:27:46 UTC

Sweden is becoming more America like right now, so they won't work over there either for much longer

2018-10-10 18:27:55 UTC

thats the problem in most of western EU countries

2018-10-10 18:28:00 UTC

not the solution

2018-10-10 18:28:14 UTC

people putting way to much trust in government

2018-10-10 18:29:42 UTC

@AdorableStormtrooper yes but we have a couple issues that we may be able to glean some ideas from

2018-10-10 18:29:50 UTC

they reformed their original pension system

2018-10-10 18:29:56 UTC

they partially privatized it

2018-10-10 18:30:05 UTC

now ultimately I want that entire system here gone

2018-10-10 18:30:16 UTC

but as a kind of intermediate step to remove it, that isn't a terrible idea

2018-10-10 18:30:16 UTC

i agree with that

2018-10-10 18:30:21 UTC

thats interesting

2018-10-10 18:30:24 UTC

public pensions are cancer

2018-10-10 18:30:29 UTC

in addition, they made them variable

2018-10-10 18:30:30 UTC

it's a ponzi scheme

2018-10-10 18:30:38 UTC

so the amount paid depends on the state of the economy

2018-10-10 18:30:41 UTC

they gonna have to do that over here as well i think

2018-10-10 18:31:08 UTC

the person interviewed say "while it may not be as generous now as it was, at least we know it will survive."

2018-10-10 18:31:39 UTC

economically, they are rated as a more free and open economy than america

2018-10-10 18:31:39 UTC

it can be done over a long time so current pension receivers and people who are just about to become eligible aren't affected, people who haven't paid into the system, their shit should be privatised

2018-10-10 18:31:47 UTC

i mean just imagine being 50+ and suddenly getting told that this pension you worked all your life for, paying huge amounts of taxes for.
Well you gonna get less now AND you gonna have to work longer as well!
Were very sorry ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-10-10 18:32:01 UTC

that is what happened here btw

2018-10-10 18:32:04 UTC

its not a hypothetical

2018-10-10 18:32:10 UTC

ive accepted that im going to pay into the system and not expect to get anything

2018-10-10 18:32:30 UTC

though tbh whatever SS can do for me wont really matter since my current retirement plan that is private will pay me several times it

2018-10-10 18:32:57 UTC

ah so ur one of the smart guys ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-10-10 18:33:04 UTC

they privatize over a long time i think don't they? i think they proposed that in NZ, and the proposal was that people who are aged over 40 will not be affected

2018-10-10 18:33:20 UTC

this is why, the sooner you do it, the lower the blow

2018-10-10 18:33:25 UTC

@tritrium not really. I mean social security isn't exactly a high pay system as it is

2018-10-10 18:34:00 UTC

I worked with a guy when I was 22 who was near retirement and he said, "Social Security isn't going to pay me enough to continue living here. So I'm going to supplement it with a part time job"

2018-10-10 18:34:20 UTC

well thats true pensions arent very high here either

2018-10-10 18:34:21 UTC

at that point i realized that "if this guy is boned, I'm definitely going to be boned"

2018-10-10 18:34:38 UTC

so i made some choices

2018-10-10 18:34:41 UTC

the more rightwing parties here keep bitching about unemployment payouts

2018-10-10 18:34:55 UTC

and how they need to cut on those

2018-10-10 18:35:20 UTC

but when u look at the numbers, it barely even shows up in the total budget figures

2018-10-10 18:36:17 UTC

Welfare needs to go anyway, charity should be a private affair

2018-10-10 18:36:23 UTC

cutting unemployment is not necessary

2018-10-10 18:36:39 UTC

he talks about the other EU countries being stupid for trying to mimic sweden

2018-10-10 18:36:52 UTC

basically they are taxing their populace and businesses to death

2018-10-10 18:36:58 UTC

and regulating them to death

2018-10-10 18:37:00 UTC

What is necessary is the formation of public support to tackle longer term issues

2018-10-10 18:37:23 UTC

what do you mean @Blackhawk342

2018-10-10 18:38:28 UTC

I mean that parties need to stop focusing on minutia and start having debates about the long term

2018-10-10 18:38:32 UTC

i wonder how simple the swedish tax system is?

2018-10-10 18:38:47 UTC

For the left, stop harping on LGBTQQIIAA2SP+ issues

2018-10-10 18:39:00 UTC

For the right stop nagging people about abortions and unemployment

2018-10-10 18:39:03 UTC

LGBTQIAAACO-OP

2018-10-10 18:39:11 UTC

Political Parties in a Democracy will never talk long term because that's not how the incentives are set up

2018-10-10 18:39:12 UTC

if you're ubisoft

2018-10-10 18:39:17 UTC

@Timcast can you release videos at 5pm instead of 6pm ? 6pm is midnight here and I often have to postpone watching your videos in order to not be sleep deprived at work ๐Ÿ˜‰ I will understand if you can't.

2018-10-10 18:39:21 UTC

ah ur talking about the stupid navel gazing

2018-10-10 18:39:34 UTC

They're only elected and running for the next 5 years and the public doesn't care about the long term

2018-10-10 18:39:40 UTC

they want shit NOW

2018-10-10 18:39:41 UTC

Thats because the public doesnt care yes

2018-10-10 18:39:52 UTC

@Blackhawk342 I will not stop nagging people about abortions when they ask me if I support them

2018-10-10 18:39:59 UTC

if they don't ask, I wont talk typically

2018-10-10 18:40:04 UTC

Which is why its necessary to rally public support for those issues

2018-10-10 18:40:10 UTC

@oprahsminge if its anything close to the belgian one, its ridicilously confusing but dont take the belgian stuff as a standard, everything is confusing here

2018-10-10 18:40:13 UTC

When I say nagging i dont mean debate or discussions

2018-10-10 18:40:28 UTC

I mean stop having campaigns about it, stop letting it take up air time

2018-10-10 18:40:36 UTC

Abort Leftist Babies

2018-10-10 18:40:38 UTC

that's not going to happen

2018-10-10 18:40:44 UTC

though I don't control it

2018-10-10 18:40:54 UTC

obviously

2018-10-10 18:41:05 UTC

If there's a Will, There's a Way

2018-10-10 18:41:05 UTC

Hence the need to rally public support for long term not just the short term

2018-10-10 18:41:13 UTC

short term support is how you end up with flint michigan situations

2018-10-10 18:41:14 UTC

#AbortLeftistBabies

2018-10-10 18:41:45 UTC

my dude, democracy doesn't lend itself to long term solutions

2018-10-10 18:41:47 UTC

tbf if the leftists continue to be single and not produce children, only the right wing will remain

2018-10-10 18:41:56 UTC

so in a generation, they'll be extinct

2018-10-10 18:41:59 UTC

not currently it doesnt

2018-10-10 18:42:01 UTC

not atleast in the public's interests

2018-10-10 18:42:12 UTC

because the public is in charge and they typically dont think long term

2018-10-10 18:42:31 UTC

most of them dont think a year ahead and anything beyond four years is unheard of

2018-10-10 18:42:48 UTC

All the left needs to do is to stop with the negative, destructive message and find something positive and new.

2018-10-10 18:42:52 UTC

then de-incentivize the federal politics and re-incentivize the state politics

2018-10-10 18:43:04 UTC

if you want longer term strategy

2018-10-10 18:43:20 UTC

Local long term political focus will save the world

2018-10-10 18:43:37 UTC

Not sporadic federal level pushes every 4 years

2018-10-10 18:43:42 UTC

it has to start local

2018-10-10 18:43:45 UTC

yup

2018-10-10 18:43:59 UTC

what works in michigan won't necessarily work in florida

2018-10-10 18:44:12 UTC

no

2018-10-10 18:44:24 UTC

How can you promote smaller, more local government while still being in a federal union?

2018-10-10 18:44:27 UTC

but i still think we shouldn't give up on banning abortions, it's a scourge on the society

2018-10-10 18:44:37 UTC
2018-10-10 18:44:50 UTC

great now were back to square one

2018-10-10 18:44:50 UTC

That's what the country did for practically a hundred years

2018-10-10 18:44:58 UTC

Your country. ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-10-10 18:45:07 UTC

it was that way it was until 1950's

2018-10-10 18:45:12 UTC

local governments Everywhere matter a lot in most people's lives whether they realize or not

2018-10-10 18:45:14 UTC

but look, for various reasons people here cant stand our government and think theyre completely disconnected from the public.
But at the same time they seem to think that way bigger much further away government (EU) will solve all our problems.
Its very weird

2018-10-10 18:45:19 UTC

Muh womens rights muh murder etc

2018-10-10 18:45:21 UTC

I'm not super up on US political history.

2018-10-10 18:45:38 UTC

@Inquisition our federal government wasn't built to do most of the shit it does now

2018-10-10 18:45:47 UTC

allow free abortions and free sterilization procedures for single left leaning women so they can forever be promiscuous and never reproduce

2018-10-10 18:45:47 UTC

thats because the government is an arcane insitution

2018-10-10 18:45:52 UTC

how is Belgium still a country

2018-10-10 18:45:52 UTC

certainly not imo

2018-10-10 18:45:59 UTC

the average person has no idea how it functions

2018-10-10 18:46:03 UTC

let France and Netherlands annex you

2018-10-10 18:46:13 UTC

>netherlands

2018-10-10 18:46:23 UTC

@Blackhawk342 yeah but the average person in any country doesn't actually understand how their gov works

2018-10-10 18:46:25 UTC

go reclaim some more water you swamp germans

2018-10-10 18:46:34 UTC

lol swamp germans

2018-10-10 18:46:38 UTC

lol

2018-10-10 18:47:47 UTC

in most Western Countries, US, UK, Germany.. local Govt's matter just as much if not more to most people than the federal government

2018-10-10 18:48:09 UTC

Municipal local?

2018-10-10 18:48:23 UTC

in US, if you're able to control city, district level, district Court and school board Politics, you have a lot of power

2018-10-10 18:49:04 UTC

I don't know about that, in Canada at least.

2018-10-10 18:49:05 UTC

governors trend Republican don't they?

2018-10-10 18:49:05 UTC

this is the stuff for what Leftists organize and everybody else doesn't

2018-10-10 18:49:16 UTC

Once the elections are over, nobody thinks about municipal governments

2018-10-10 18:49:24 UTC

@AdorableStormtrooper you're in Indonesia, right? Did you felt the earthquake just now?

2018-10-10 18:49:29 UTC

duh, why do you think they wanted to let illegals vote for school board?

2018-10-10 18:49:41 UTC

@Der Kommissar I'm in Singapore m8, you good?

2018-10-10 18:49:45 UTC

@Der Kommissar we keep telling you to stop sitting on the vibrator

2018-10-10 18:49:47 UTC

From there it becomes "shouldnt they have the right to vote in other district elections?"

2018-10-10 18:50:02 UTC

Then shortly after "shouldnt they have a voice in the state government?"

2018-10-10 18:50:07 UTC

^

2018-10-10 18:50:21 UTC

@AdorableStormtrooper all good in my city, but idk about where the epicenter is

2018-10-10 18:50:23 UTC

Followed by "they need to be able to have a say in the national government, its the same reason for the american revolution"

2018-10-10 18:50:45 UTC

@Der Kommissar you in Java?

2018-10-10 18:51:28 UTC

Yep

2018-10-10 18:51:39 UTC

The epicenter is in Bali, it seems

2018-10-10 18:51:48 UTC

I hope my friends there is safe

2018-10-10 18:51:49 UTC

@Blackhawk342 And this is why federalism is so essential.

2018-10-10 18:52:26 UTC

When California gives illegal aliens the franchise, it can only be allowed to affect two senate seats.

2018-10-10 18:52:40 UTC

(and the electoral footprint of California)

2018-10-10 18:53:06 UTC

This local school board and district judge and city politics is really what dissident movements on the right and center should be focusing on

2018-10-10 18:53:18 UTC

Californians like to think they're ahead of the country by a decade

2018-10-10 18:53:27 UTC

I really really dont want to live in california

2018-10-10 18:53:31 UTC

nobody will care that much about it to focus the national media and call y'all Nazis

2018-10-10 18:53:52 UTC

theyll do it anyway

2018-10-10 18:54:00 UTC

Some Californians are ahead of the country by a decade, it's just they don't realize that they are so because the _actual_ progress moved faster than the state could suppress it.

2018-10-10 18:54:01 UTC

People have been calling the republicans nazis since 2006

2018-10-10 18:54:01 UTC

it's much harder though

2018-10-10 18:54:10 UTC

and people don't care as much after a few times

2018-10-10 18:54:25 UTC

thats the point of the media exhaustion strategy trumps doing

2018-10-10 18:54:33 UTC

im a pretty great nazi tbh

2018-10-10 18:54:42 UTC

keep saying and doing outrageous things and eventually no one will care

2018-10-10 18:54:45 UTC

The state's recent moves imply that they are ready to suppress actual progress (in the economy and private lives of Californians) faster than Californians can make their lives better.

2018-10-10 18:55:09 UTC

the state of california has been slowly destroying their own economy over years

2018-10-10 18:55:12 UTC

It is now illegal in California for a man to incorporate a company alone, period.

2018-10-10 18:55:20 UTC

They'll all move to Texas when Texas goes blue

2018-10-10 18:55:21 UTC

and, shocker, the only people doing well are executives and celebs

2018-10-10 18:55:48 UTC

everyone else is getting put below the line to be able to live in even a one bedroom apartment. Of course that depends on where you are in Cali apparently

2018-10-10 18:56:09 UTC

@AdorableStormtrooper based on latest polling, it aint gonna go blue this time

2018-10-10 18:56:18 UTC

well eventually

2018-10-10 18:56:19 UTC

beto fell further behind Cruz

2018-10-10 18:56:25 UTC

which he fuckin should

2018-10-10 18:57:10 UTC

@AdorableStormtrooper Texas is somewhat stayed against this kind of nonsense, due to their unique structure.

2018-10-10 18:57:21 UTC

@AdorableStormtrooper They defer a _lot_ to the counties.

2018-10-10 18:58:14 UTC

California used to be very Republican too before the Demographic Shift, idk if it will be different with Texas, we can hope i suppose

2018-10-10 19:00:52 UTC

Voter ID would help a lot.

2018-10-10 19:01:15 UTC

And a citizenship question on the census.

2018-10-10 19:04:43 UTC

@xorgy the more i read about texas, the more i love it

2018-10-10 19:05:01 UTC

Yeah, it's NH or TX for me, when I get around to moving USward.

2018-10-10 19:05:15 UTC

Possibly both, I guess.

2018-10-10 19:05:20 UTC

are you european?

2018-10-10 19:05:23 UTC

not sure why voter id is such a huge fighting point in the US
canada and provincial elections require either the voter card + id (medical/drivers license/passport) or bill with name + id

2018-10-10 19:05:30 UTC

@oprahsminge I'm Canadian, but I have U.S. citizenship.

2018-10-10 19:05:35 UTC

oh thank god

2018-10-10 19:06:18 UTC

@Tornzy It's because the American left is packed with horrible racists, and they'll believe anything if it means they get to think less of blacks without feeling guilty about it or looking bad to their friends.

2018-10-10 19:06:23 UTC

Voter ID is an issue for the democrats because they want illegals to vote.

2018-10-10 19:06:27 UTC

Voter ID is a huge fighting point because Fraud Voters/Illegal Voters will be a huge base for the Democratic Party

2018-10-10 19:06:29 UTC

@Tornzy Combination of soft racism and voter fraud being a big part of certain party action.

2018-10-10 19:06:47 UTC

That's the whole point of the Amnesty Push that's eventually gonna come again

2018-10-10 19:06:54 UTC

ugh

2018-10-10 19:06:57 UTC

pls no

2018-10-10 19:07:04 UTC

Remove Amnesty

2018-10-10 19:07:11 UTC

holy fuck man. Yeah fuck amnesty

2018-10-10 19:07:53 UTC

welp, u damn well know it's coming during a Democrat Administration as "Immigration Reform"

2018-10-10 19:08:01 UTC

I mean, criminal amnesty would be reasonable (but no voting rights) if something drastic were done, and a commitment were made to reject future entrants aggressively.

2018-10-10 19:08:26 UTC

they're already asking for abolition of ICE, they will do whatever it takes to get to power, even if they have to import voters

2018-10-10 19:08:35 UTC

i.e. Amnesty registrations close in Jan. 2019, and bye-bye goes anyone who didn't register.

2018-10-10 19:08:52 UTC

Completely stop issuing the papers at that point.

2018-10-10 19:09:13 UTC

Put ads in the newspapers of every major south and central american country

2018-10-10 19:09:20 UTC

so that nobody can tell you that they didn't know.

2018-10-10 19:09:21 UTC

it's millions of people who are not getting deported anytime soon, they said no more amnesty last time and here we are

2018-10-10 19:10:06 UTC

once you have a huge number of people in the country, it's really hard to get them out, especially when one of your major parties craves them as a voter base

2018-10-10 19:10:17 UTC

@xorgy amnesty is only pertaining to illegals. Not to what I think you're talking about

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