first time I followed tim, it was OWS

I was in high school back then, I suppose

What can I do about it? These antifa assholes, and politics in general, is bringing out anger in me I didn't know I had. The most extreme stuff makes me want to get violent and I can't see that ending well, it would just give the leftists more fuel to their fire

What if I become the victim of one of their SJW witch hunts

that's why I keep a clean record of some sort

If you do any digging into me you'll find I'm the peak of oppression and hate (in their eyes)

Learn how to defend yourself, group up with others in your community

wow you just doxxed yourself you straight white male

I befriends people on all sides of the spectrum

I'm not in the mood for bs @Senny

i'm sorry I can't give you anything beside shitposting and trying to lighten the mood

How do I group up with others in my community, my campus? How can I trust any of them

look for people in the same hobby, or passion, or just look up on local communities

that's what I did

I've had rational conversations with people, but sooner or later someone is going to hear something and I'm going to end up as the shining symbol of the alt right

My bff and I have no standard for each other, thats how you can trust someone

zero expectation

I'm talking about politics though. I know how to make friends based on hobbies

I have to admit that I don't have much friends from uni days, except from my unit members

Like I met a group of people to play D&D and I bailed once they started spouting gender ideology into their gameplay

since you are allowed to receive military training while attending university in Indonesia

I made some pals on niche facebook groups, mostly autistic gamers

my people

I made friends from all walk of life

I'm also a huge introvert, can't stand going to any sort of event unless I believe I'll get something out of it

I'm an introvert as well, but eh.... I try to manage a social life because I find it to be useful for life

having a more, pragmatic approach had been rather beneficial

im too lazy for that, despite my wholy family constantly complaining about getting myself a smartphone, keep telling them to just call me on my phone

I have friends and stuff, that's not what I'm worried about

try to get more "influential" friends

I'm worried about how I fit in with politics. What I said earlier, Tim's video on antifa in Portland made me incredibly angry. What happens if I encounter something like that. I know that's kind of an extreme example but I'm always worried about getting caught in the crossfire of some far left dogma

improvise. adapt. overcome.

That doesn't tell me anything though

analyze the local situation

All I know how to do is to not get involved

know the probablity of the situation to happen in your local area

avoid any crossfire

keep vigilance at all times

Then I should just drop out of school then? I have to draw the line somewhere

no?

You said avoid all crossfire

is your school a politically hostile environment?

I'm too afraid to test it

To be honest

But I doubt it

It's a tiny bubble of far left ideology in a republican rust belt town

in Indonesia, any practical politics is banned on academic grounds

and people had been expelled for it

They try to make everything about politics

Well whilst i dont have any experience with these schools nor am i american, i would suspect you would know something was up because personal politics is literally their identity from what ive seen.
And they cant stop talking about it

It feels that way anyway. Not a good sign when your professors tell you they're ashamed to live in 2018 America because they think it's embarrassing. They're not wrong though, the far left idiots are the embarrassment

yeah

It's hilarious

probably a result of the lack of party diversity in america

at least, on a national level

well where i live its not any better and we got plenty of parties

Last year, I saw flyers up about a Republican Party club on campus

Sure we dont have ppl on the streets rioting or anything

They got torn down

Just mysteriously vanished

Like all overnight

I'm not Republican but I feel safer with them

Look you have to understand that nothing going on today is new, this has happened many times before.
The only difference (i think) is that social media is amplifying the effect and the frequence of mass hysterias.

to me, an outsider to american politics, American politics is rather worrisome because one is either a democrat or a republican, and people follow both party like it's a religion. heck, sometimes more important than religion.

that is something i quite dont get either kommissar

I want to be apolitical because it's just one big clusterfuck

"raised democrat" like what?

multiple party systems also have their own demerits, but you're not really limited to a few choices

I was apolitical untill i was 24

Not on paper kommissar

well i can only speak for my country ofc

where are you at, tritium?

in my country its simple you got:

singapore?

What most would say neocons

I think my politics align closest with Jill Stein (like she's relevant haha). I took a survey that compared how close you are to the 2016 candidates based on your opinions on policies

I was a 98% match

and then you got a variety of parties on the left that are all socialist

So I'm somewhere on the left

But the left gives a bad taste in my mouth

and then u got 1 hard right party and an actual communist party on the other side

Im from belgium anyways

It just screams "muh feel sleepy

but eh... american left are hardly leftists

"Muh feels"*

ah

Straight from the "shithole"' 😄

Fucking auto correct

at least it's not a 1-party system like in some countries, or a multiple party system to disguise their 1-party system like singapore

no its not that

Its more a fake idea of variety

when in reality u got 4 choices

and thats when you line up all their policies

in Indonesia, at least, you have different flavors of political leanings as each party have different flavors between religious, seculars, democratic, conservatives, socialists, etc.

Welp the green party here used to be very heavy on enviroment and stuff

but in recent years its more a socialist party with some enviromental flavours as an afterthought

yeah

it's rather weird to see the evolution of green party

but eh.... I don't think there's a way to get a third national party to show up in America

Not when large portions of the population still think of it as "raised as X"

yeah

i dunno what those numbers are, im just going off what i see people say about themselves

like seriously, my family have changed political party choice for so many times since it doesn't really matter on what you pick, but who you pick.

I have yet to vote for the same party twice

since we pick a candidate on each candidate's merit

instead of purely on their political party

(although some people do pick party choices)

u have ppl like that here as well

I guess that's why it's unlikely for a party to reign on multiple terms

Yes but,

over here they can put a majority party out of the whole system

if the other parties decided to band together against said party

and it only has to collect enough to form a majority

essentially you can end up with your vote being the majority vote and still end up in the opposition

and when you are dealing with an increasing partisan mentality

well, look at trump and how everything he says or does is bad per default according to some ppl

ive seen that already in my country with a certain party, which are pretty far right lets be honest

I mean, he does say a lot of awful stuffs

to be honest

Good

yea but my point is

but I do get your point

Yeah well

i gotta vote in a few days

presidential election in Indonesia is in 2019

i gotta vote for local stuff i believe, cant remember

but damn, I'm more eager to see who's going to be the new mayor after her term ends next year

heh

since it would be a tough job to continue her excellent work

federal level politics here, honestly at this point i dont see how those matter anymore

it does matter here tho

yea i been pretty happy with the mayor we had here for the last few years

but im very unhappy with his party on the federal level

since the current mayor and the one before her had been excellent mayors and helped to clean up the mess from the new order era

tidied up the streets, made canals and better sewer system

I'm both eager and worried on what kind of candidate will come forward

I know nothing of indonesian politics but didnt u guys have some serious authoritarian issues not so long ago? or am i confusing that with some of the other countries there

yeah, we had an american-backed authoritarian regime from 1966 to 1998

where people had been killed and jailed for diverging from the reigning party

and we've had some transition era to dismantle much of the damages

although very slowly

see thats the thing with these authoritarian regimes

they never last

Its always a question about how much damage is going to be done before it collapses

Well i always think of those things and then it puts thing in perspective from the stupid things we need to deal with here

I remember that we were sent to another town to avoid troubles since there were plenty of anti-chinese tensions

like having a 30 year+ long debate about wether or not we gonna build a bridge.

ye man i cant really imagine how that is

i only heard stuff like that from my grandparents

there were riots, rapes and lootings in the capital as the regime changed.

it was a rather tense situation

especially when there were insurrections and racial civil wars that erupted

oh yeah i know about that

like the massacre of sampit, where maduranese were persecuted by borneo-born dayaks; Ambon civil war, where christians and muslims fought a bloody civil war; Rise of GAM (aceh freedom movement); rise of OPM (free papua organisation); etc.

and the advent of 9/11 also resulted in the rise of wahhabists and religious extremists who were heavily suppressed during the authoritarian regime

nice

we got a party here now called "islam"

and everyone was hysterical about it when it popped up

eh.... we've always had an islamic party in Indonesia. heck, even before it was called Indonesia

We dont

😄

when it was still called Dutch East Indies

the "conservative" islamists party had mostly been moderate here

Unlike our friend at the party "islam"

heck, they literally just banned a wahhabist movement.

yeah this islam party we got here is not wahabist

I always compare it to what the christian party wouldve said 2-300 years ago

heck, islam in Indonesia is a rather unique blend of islam teachings and hindu-buddhist influences

since the islamic saints in Indonesia was told to have used shadow puppet theatre and epic drawings to spread their religion

heck, most muslim here never thought of visiting buddhist or hindu temples of old as something sacrilegious

they just think of it as it's part of the culture

over here theyre becoming more conservative then certain countries in the middle east are, at least when it comes to day to day life.

Which i find strange

or maybe its not that strange given what has been done in the past 30 years

tbh, I was extremely worried when tim posted the anti-islam persecution by the CCP since wow.... if that made a national news here... I can only feel dread on the consequences

while his comments on that vid was filled with people exclaiming that they agree with the news.

im not following

i dont think ive seen that video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PgkF1pF4kg

that one

Ok just read the first bunch of comments

when I saw that, I was immediately horrified

See thats what you get

When you do not adress reality and the issues

and instead decide to sweep it under the rug and call everyone racist

then that festers and festers

and then you get this

yeah

Its not that i am agreeing with their assesment

its more like im not surprised by this at all

it's disturbing as heck

i see this stuff everyday

IRL mind you

while I'm seeing the reverse version of this stuff everyday

I mean i get called a racist quite often

or rather islamophobic

which is quite funny to me

given half my family is morrocan

and they say way harsher things then i do lol

whenever I have people call me a white cis male, I just laugh.

they only got male right

but yeah, I feel you

I've seen people on the far left calling people intolerant and fascists, while they spout they're going to kill a certain group of people

and I'm like, gtfo you rascal.

you spoke A but you do B

Well here is one example

I got a morrocan friend

hes in his late thirties

He speaks he native language fluently

the*

But, he came here illegally, hes legal now this was years ago

mhmm

Now what i find disturbing

or what i often put out rather

How do you expect immigrants to function in our society

when u dont even expect them to speak the language

What is the most important thing to function in different society

be able to communicate

aye

My friend learned it the hard way

that's why most immigrants tend to stick to areas where they have a similar or same language, I suppose

So when i hear "the left" sitting there talking about how demanding immigrants to learn the native language or at least one, is somehow a bad thing

lolwut

Well that is effectively what happened

"das raycis"

on the long term that is

I mean, sure, you might struggle with speaking the language, or not fluent at all

like my friends did when they got a scholarship to germany

but they had to take language courses

and tbh, it's for the betterment of themselves to communicate

these days that is called racist yes inquisition

Do u know what is on EVERY job application here

since we've yet to invent the universal translator device

no matter how basic your job is?

or a babel fish

"We are an equal opportunity employer."?

german or french language capacity?

dutch

oh right

just basic understanding for the most basic jobs

its on all of them

I thought of swiss' requirement

whoops

The way i see this, is that they are handicapping these people from the getgo by not giving them even the most basic tool to function in this country

but clearly many people disagree with me on that

Ofc you have to be abel to communicate if you want to work.

you do and thats how my friend learned it the hard way

basically how i learned english

by annoying the shit out of english speaking people by constantly asking what words meant

there's not really a language requirement in Indonesia, just make sure you're able to communicate properly and well enough with other people.