the Ghomeshi case was resolved extremely well, the courts were verymuch on his side

These people engaged in some of the most corrupt conduct in decades and all they got was a slap on the wrist.

Was Ghomeshi the one who was restricted from using the Internet by the judge because of accusations by women?

the judge wrote extensively on the poor quality of the witnesses, and their bare and brazen misconduct and conspiracy against Jian

We have feminazi lawyers like Gloria Allred making a fortune.

@Malt_Hitman no that was another guy

Have you honestly not been paying attention?

the lawyers sure

@Timcast I have to ask, when you gonna post stuff on Tim gaming channel?

It couldn't be better for feminists in courts right now.

they somehow make their way

They are having a heyday.

the courts themselves, however...

I think that the courts have remained remarkably impartial.

in Canada and the U.S. at least

for the most part, judges and jury selectorates are not yet swayed by SJ nonsense

Then why are half of the Innocence Project's exonerations for false rape convictions?

because rape allegations are very often false

more of them go to trial, because people care about women

Feminists have spent the last decades absolutely corrupting due process.

http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/mens-rights-feminism/rapists-proven-innocent-are-majority-57-of-prisoners-released-by-innocence-project

Some of those rape shield laws that have been introduced are horrendous.

Everywhere states are extending or even getting rid of statutes of limitation.

Seems like we may need to #believemen.

In Canada, courts will require the defense to disclose all exculpatory evidence.

This is a disaster.

even so

even with all this shit

the courts are still applying the law to a degree of fairness

and to the extent that the laws themselves remain fair

the courts generally remain fair

if you allow your legislature to pass these laws, yes, justice will suffer

so don't allow them to pass these laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWZWGs9lacE

Now, you have the added advantage in the U.S. legal system that the constitution speaks to this.

The changes in courts that have been pushed through in recent laws are some of the most dramatic erosions of due process we have seen in a century.

The supreme court has also tremendously expanded the protection of the accused

And you are acting like it's no big deal?

as it regards access to a defense attorney, the rules of evidence

We are going to see hundreds of thousands of men falsely convicted, because activist lawyers are busy plugging all holes through which men have been able to defend themselves.

This is one of the most horrendous developments in decades.

I honestly can't believe what I'm reading.

Then make that argument loud and clear to people

people who don't already agree.

Dude, what are you saying?

I am making that argument right here, right now.

And all I am getting is fog.

I agree that they are perverting it

and that thousands of people have already been victimized

I'm just saying that it ain't the courts doing it.

It's almost everyone else's fault but the courts.

No offense, but I feel like you are not arguing in earnest.

I feel like I am getting a heap of BS.

You've been talking this whole time about _legislation_

except in the case of Zuker

I've been giving you a whole list of concrete examples, and all I feel I am getting is hyperbole.

in the U.S, the Congress makes legislation

the innocence project is 7 years old

If you don't want to honestly debate me, dont.

the post*

@Timcast IIRC the up to date data are similar

I found that 73% of the cases on their site involved rape in some way

Yes, the article is a little older.

All indicators are that it has become worse since, not better.

I'm not arguing against that

Rape are about 1/20th of all violent crimes, according to the DoJ.

I'm saying that these issues do not come from _the courts_, which is why I bothered to dissent from what you were saying in the first place.

The Innocence Project takes all cases, based on merit. Yet, more than half of their exonerations are for rape.

To me that indicates that rape cases are staggeringly overrepresented in exonerations.

my point is that the courts are still as faithful to legislation as they were 20, 40 years ago

even if the rights of the accused have been degraded legislatively

I feel like I am just being given bullshit for a problem that has taken on epidemic proportions.

You are reading what I'm saying and plastering a generic disagreement over an actual point I'm making.

No, there is not just the law, but also the implementation of it.

most of the problems which have arisen recently in regard to this come from legislation

Starr, Sonja B. "Estimating gender disparities in federal criminal cases." American Law and Economics Review 17.1 (2014): 127-159.

the propensity of courts and juries to misjudge rape cases is nothing new

Starr, Sonja B., and M. Marit Rehavi. "Mandatory sentencing and racial disparity: Assessing the role of prosecutors and the effects of Booker." Yale LJ 123 (2013): 2.

Tillyer, Rob, Richard D. Hartley, and Jeffrey T. Ward. "Differential treatment of female defendants: Does criminal history moderate the effect of gender on sentence length in federal narcotics cases?." Criminal justice and behavior 42.7 (2015): 703-721.

the legislation harming the defense's ability to present a case _is_ new, as you were saying.

Lim, Claire SH, Bernardo S. Silveira, and James M. Snyder. "Do judges’ characteristics matter? ethnicity, gender, and partisanship in texas state trial courts." American Law and Economics Review 18.2 (2016): 302-357.

Are you going to give me more fog or do you actually want to honestly debate me?

I don't want to debate you, because I agree with you

Yay me.

except on the small matter of _the courts_ getting worse.

I don't think that _the courts are getting worse_.

Okay, I'm not sure if that's some kind of nitpicking, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt there.

I think that the courts have been as bad at the things mentioned in that body of research for the last 40-60 years as they are today.

Fine. I'm just a bird.

Is there any other crime as emotionally charged as rape?

No, not really.

And in fact, the meta-emotional nature of it is astounding.

Yes, ordering pineapple on pizza.

The fact that it is emotionally charged leads people to tell people about how emotionally charged it is

Except for the fact that men falsely accused of rape are, to be blunt, rarely go to trial, let alone get convicted

and the emotionality becomes amplified by people hearing others be emotional about it.

Did you get that from a fortune cookie or a feminist infographic? @Ace K

It's called reality dude, but thanks for being a whiner about it.

...

Sorry for being so whiny.

guys

It's in my nature.

calm the fuck down, both of you

this is no way to converse about anything.

If I calmed down any further, you might no longer detect a pulse.

@Ace K If you want to come in here and just stir the pot, you'll be the least missed among us.

WOW WO WOW

DUDE CALM DOWN!

WHA TTHE HELL

DOES IT RELALY MATTER WHICH POKEMON IS BEST?1

you too man

quit having a seizure

Squirtle or you're dead

it's embarrassing

I've been here for a long while dude. And how the heck is stating reality 'stiring the pot'?

https://giphy.com/gifs/vk7VesvyZEwuI

@Ace K because you couch it in this snooty "it's called reality, faggot, you've just been SEEEERVED" attitude.

Just makes people want to punch you in the face, so to speak.

Though I'm not the sort to do or even think of such things.

Reality and feminism mix about just as well as bleach and ammonia.

LOL what.....

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1048728639829893120

But doing that kills people. Oh, wait....

@Undead Mockingbird bleach and ammonia mix just fine, thank you very much.

I think it's safe to say that if you use the phrase "fortune cookie or a feminist infographic?" when pointing out that men rarely go to trial when falsely accused; being snooty should be the least of your problems. Makes you look like snowflakes who can't handle dissenting opinion.

Not bad, huh?

I thought that up myself.

you see, both of you resorted straight to name calling

if you just want to fight, do it in a DM.

nobody here can benefit from watching you bicker about what mean names you call eachother next.

I NEVER CALLED THAT JERK ANY NAMES!

What are you talking about?

Fuck you, you butt.

you compared his stupid snooty comment to a "fortune cookie feminist infographic"

which, while accurate, doesn't really help much with anything.

AH, right.

That was a good one.

Good times.

The irony is really lost on you, Xorgy.

shut up

Um: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_Project

I think i'll frame that one.

Look at how many are about rape/sexual assault

It's better to go the Registry of Exonerations.

You have a full text search there.

True, it was a quick look up

And how many are about rape/sexual assault?

278 of the cases they list on their site

of 362

Really? Well in that case. That proves my point.

so ~%77

Men are more frequently falsely convicted for rape than any other crime.

If that does not give you pause, you've had too much of the feminist koolaid.

It's time to turn off CNN.

Especially black men, it seems.

All MSM talk about is "muh hands up don't shoot"

BOOM

mic drop

False rape tends to affect "dangerous" minorities most

I think your reading the numbers in bad faith, folks.

Is it mostly white women doing the accusing?

I think you should start reading the numbers to begin with.

@Ace K what is your interpretation of the particular numbers here?

Then you can explain "reality" to me.

@Ace K I mean, I understand your point, but it says nothing about _the convicted_

your point seems to mostly concern the ability of the legal system to prevent obviously false claims from making it to trial

We won, boys

or perhaps the ability of interrogators to convince people to plead guilty when they are not

`False rape tends to affect "dangerous" minorities most`
"dangerous" minorites do statistically rape most.

Seems like I have a knack for kicking up shit.

well, the statistics come from the convictions @Jasse

though there is no doubt that even by the best estimates, yes, the rates are still higher when you account for the innocent.

The average falsely convicted man spends 11 years in prison.

false accusations have their own problems

when things escalate to a false _conviction_

some shit has gone down.

Keep in mind that that the numbers only focus on cases they are looking at.

When DNA testing became available, there was a slew of exonerations. At the same time feminists were trying to combat the granting of later DNA testing.

If you do not think THAT is evil, your moral compass is not working.

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2018.html

The report here breaks down the prison population by the crimes they committed (which is under the jail system they are in).

that infographic is pretty confusing

they have the same categories split up among slices

which is fair enough, but still a bit of a mess

This article does not mention rape or sexual assault once.

What point do you want to make?

Looking at sexual assault/rape, the numbers (if they are to be taken as truth) lists the number of people convicted at over 160,000.

https://static.prisonpolicy.org/images/pie2018.png?v=1 It's in the infographic Mockingbird, with the numbers for sexual assault/rape at the bottom of the pie chart

America has altogether too many laws.

I am happy to see that women are catching up to men in something.

for example rape rates per 100 000
blacks rape 12,59
and whites 5,06

Wow, all that baby bashing and student diddling really boosted their numbers.

Go, women!

Stunning and brave.

Too bad feminists are calling for the end of all incarceration for women, though.

thats convicted, not accused😉

http://i.imgur.com/DB7yHQB.jpg

I'm really glad we have an impartial justice system.

Try not to confuse the system with the people in it.

But if left too long, those people will poison the system.

How long? Is 50 years enough?

@Ace K You know, looking at one of those charts, it seems that women are joining the prisonforce

Will half a century do?

Because that's how long they've been at this.

And if we keep acting as if it's all not a big deal, they'll be at it for another 50 years.

You do make a good argument for term limits on positions like Judges though.

Don't say I haven't been raving and ranting about this.

Are you guys ready for some more Salem Witch Trials? Because that is how you get Salem Witch Trials.

https://giphy.com/gifs/archer-dance-happy-BmX38GoChnxRe

Identifying a problem is a small step towards making a lasting solution.

But that lasting solution takes a lot more work.

Yes, but from the way it sounds, we're not even done with the first step.

@Malt_Hitman Does he? That seems like it would accelerate the problem.

Are you saying you think term limits on Judges would make the problem worse?

@Undead Mockingbird The judge pictured arguably should not be sitting there.

Yes ...

I mean, that is strikingly partial.

And you shouldn't have mandatory feminist legal theory for judges, EITHER.

she has a literal political symbol on her head

People are talking like the left has lost lol

But here we are ... potato.

@Undead Mockingbird where is that a thing?

@♓♏♋ I mean, in a sense they have, but only if the center and right don't act like they know the left has lost

Trump is winning. And with every win for Trump the left does lose a little bit.

Why can't they act like they've lost?

The right is taking back its country, woo hoo

You guys need to watch Diana Davison's channel. Seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVRQqUgDRBevsDGOeE1DL3A/videos

Yeehaw!

The thing is, the left is militant now.

Tim pointed out that there's plenty of anger on the left. That anger does point to them acting like they're losing.

They don't lose, they retreat and plan counter-attacks.

There's plenty of anger on both sides.

Eww

Like rats

Exactly.

Militant?

Just biting at the heels of the people who are actually in charge

They can't hold a gun right side up.

They can't even roundhouse kick a lady properly

This is the perfect tie in to the legal topic, because that's exactly how the left operates.

Rats are adorable. Adorable like those cute little baby scorpions on their mother's back

Violence can be committed with more than just guns.

The left's weapon is the institution.

Bike locks, for example.

They can barely open their bottle of soy milk.

The right's weapon used to be the institution too.

The church.

Don't forget, it's more than just left or right.

Maybe they'll hit you with a bike lock here and there, but if the left had not so dramatically skewed courts and academia ALREADY, they would not be getting away with this shit.

It's authority or liberty too.

The left is not militant. They never will be.

Why? Because they use the institutions, like the little cowards they are.

The political spectrum, kind of like the autism spectrum.

Sure, they hit you with a bike lock or roundhouse kick you if you are a little woman advocating against abortions.

Everybody REEs.