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2018-10-02 19:46:33 UTC

We will beat intolerance together

2018-10-02 19:49:54 UTC

I identify as a common mountain snail.

2018-10-02 19:50:05 UTC

My pronouns are your social security and credit card number.

2018-10-02 19:50:36 UTC

I will pray for you

2018-10-02 19:50:48 UTC

@Undead Mockingbird 446798981626371637 678 42 1579

2018-10-02 19:50:51 UTC

Thank you, but please address me with my proper pronouns.

2018-10-02 19:50:56 UTC

@tmg copper Thank you.

2018-10-02 19:50:57 UTC

I did

2018-10-02 19:51:03 UTC

Is that Visa or Master Card?

2018-10-02 19:51:14 UTC

Visa my fwiend

2018-10-02 19:51:17 UTC

thx

2018-10-02 19:51:21 UTC

Finally someone showing respect.

2018-10-02 19:51:49 UTC

@Undead Mockingbird share my go fund me so I can bring the fight to the surgeon himself in court

2018-10-02 19:51:55 UTC

I have nothing to gain

2018-10-02 19:52:01 UTC

I am a victim

2018-10-02 19:52:12 UTC

I am a victim with a funny hat.

2018-10-02 19:52:17 UTC

So, I have more victim points.

2018-10-02 19:52:38 UTC

And I had a cold last weekend ...

2018-10-02 19:53:00 UTC

Do you know how many people Hitler killed who had a cold?

2018-10-02 19:53:17 UTC

People with colds are the most victimized in the history of humanity.

2018-10-02 19:53:45 UTC

@Undead Mockingbird not as many as dumpald blimph killed for being mexican

2018-10-02 19:53:55 UTC

😦

2018-10-02 19:54:07 UTC

@Undead Mockingbird yeah now you know

2018-10-02 19:54:09 UTC

DAMN YOU DUMPALD BLIMPH!

2018-10-02 19:55:46 UTC

someone posted a thing in the quartening discord that made me remember the roots of the political parties and the democrat propaganda

2018-10-02 19:55:58 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/496772353108475904/19753_lg.png

2018-10-02 19:57:10 UTC

@Deleted User Wow, nice find.

2018-10-02 19:57:24 UTC

I would totally post this on Facebook, but it would probably get me suspended again.

2018-10-02 19:57:40 UTC

what if you cancel your facebook account, checkmate

2018-10-02 19:58:00 UTC

I could do that. I already have a Minds account, check

2018-10-02 19:58:45 UTC

I also have a Gab account, but some of my normie friends are still on FB, queen to e4

2018-10-02 20:01:09 UTC

🀷

2018-10-02 20:03:03 UTC

Deleting my Facebook doesn'tstop NPCs from using it

2018-10-02 20:05:14 UTC

I've always wondered instead of deleting their profiles shouldn't people remove everything but a link to a better social media platform. e.g. have twitter account that just points to your Gab

2018-10-02 20:05:30 UTC

Actually, you make a good point.

2018-10-02 20:05:49 UTC

Also, I keep telling people that they shouldn't stop using Google, etc. if they really want to boycott them.

2018-10-02 20:06:06 UTC

Keep using the free portion and never hand them a dime, i.e. block all ads, do not track.

2018-10-02 20:06:50 UTC

But DO use their free services, code, libraries, apps, and so forth. It's like the difference between boycotting a restaurant by no longer eating there and to keep going there for the free bread sticks - but then just leaving.

2018-10-02 20:07:29 UTC

hmm i can see that as a tactic, the problem is they get access to your information

2018-10-02 20:07:33 UTC

Styxhexenhammer says that's what he does with Facebook, just link people to his non-soylent social media presences.

2018-10-02 20:07:37 UTC

from what you do store on them

2018-10-02 20:07:48 UTC

and then they can still sell that

2018-10-02 20:07:49 UTC

Right. That's why I said you should have adblockers and tracking disablers.

2018-10-02 20:08:02 UTC

But, you should probably have those anyway.

2018-10-02 20:08:07 UTC

if you are logged in to use a google service

2018-10-02 20:08:10 UTC

they know its you

2018-10-02 20:08:19 UTC

no matter which blocking software you use

2018-10-02 20:08:35 UTC

which is why you dont log into social media while doing illegal shit behind a VPN

2018-10-02 20:08:39 UTC

Anonymity is a sham unless you put a 100% effort into it

2018-10-02 20:08:48 UTC

Right, but you don't necessarily have to give them your data. You make a good point, because they now require phone numbers for sign up, but you can use burner numbers.

2018-10-02 20:08:57 UTC

if you log in to a session behind a VPN, they can tell its you

2018-10-02 20:09:19 UTC

Some extensions even go further and mass click every add that your browser encounters, without displaying them, to mess up their analytics.

2018-10-02 20:09:52 UTC

the only way i can see your method working in the end, is if you encrypt all your data before you share it with google

2018-10-02 20:09:55 UTC

@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth Right. You can't associate anything useful to your account then.

2018-10-02 20:09:59 UTC

>not adblocking on principle

2018-10-02 20:10:02 UTC

so all they have is a large uninterpretable chunk of data

2018-10-02 20:10:18 UTC

The adblockers that fake clicks are hard to get updates for

2018-10-02 20:10:18 UTC

@♓♏♋ Whitelist sites you want to support.

2018-10-02 20:10:33 UTC

but i dont think you can do that with all the applications they provide.. like calc is literally online excel

2018-10-02 20:10:40 UTC

no way to encrypt your stuff from google in that

2018-10-02 20:10:54 UTC

or gmail, unles you manage to get everyone that ever mails you to play along

2018-10-02 20:11:00 UTC

>not intentionall creating an entirely fake profile with fake friends and interests to mislead the data mining algorithms

2018-10-02 20:11:14 UTC

Yes, there are limitations to that.

2018-10-02 20:11:17 UTC

My Facebook is full of forum friends I'll never meet IRL

2018-10-02 20:11:25 UTC

the problem with creating a fake profile is that they can still track habits

2018-10-02 20:11:56 UTC

But, I have throwaway Google accounts just for the storage space from Google Drive, for example, or I use YouTube for streaming. I do not see what data they get from me, while I am using their bandwidth.

2018-10-02 20:11:58 UTC

its not enough for a court of law, but if they notice person A and B are never online at the same time, but do do all the same things..

2018-10-02 20:12:06 UTC

they can add that shit together automatically

2018-10-02 20:12:31 UTC

i stoped using chrome a while ago

2018-10-02 20:12:36 UTC

that shit si a spy program

2018-10-02 20:12:38 UTC

Right. There have been cases in which such similar correlations have been used.

2018-10-02 20:13:14 UTC

the google account i am using for this discord is my account number 200 or something lol

2018-10-02 20:13:23 UTC

Anyway: What I meant is that there might be ways to still use what these companies provide for free, while avoiding to give them anything of value. That's all I'm saying.

2018-10-02 20:13:53 UTC

And, of course they are trying to minimize that as far as possible.

2018-10-02 20:14:27 UTC

Chrome is quickly going down the crapper even for people who didn't care about it spying on them

2018-10-02 20:14:33 UTC

its a fools erand

2018-10-02 20:14:47 UTC

From tims vid ....eewww

2018-10-02 20:14:51 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/496777103598026772/image0.png

2018-10-02 20:15:26 UTC

you will never hurt alphabet this way, even if you manage to convince everyone you talk too, which is not gonna happen, but even if you do, there just is not enough time in the day to talk to enough people to touch google like this

2018-10-02 20:15:46 UTC

especially if you cant make it absolute, aka they gain NOTHING at all

2018-10-02 20:15:52 UTC

Eh, that pic isn't repulsive, I feel neutral towards it

2018-10-02 20:15:53 UTC

they will always get something

2018-10-02 20:16:20 UTC

I am not talking about getting some movement off the grounds. It's something anyone can do for themselves.

2018-10-02 20:16:44 UTC

I still use some Google services, and I am relatively certain that I am not giving them anything of value through my particular use.

2018-10-02 20:17:33 UTC

For example, I haven't stopped using YouTube through MPV-YT, which is my current music player.

2018-10-02 20:18:15 UTC

All I am doing is grabbing the stream, but I do not believe that Google gains anything from that. Some people, not saying you, seem convinced that the best way to boycott a company is to completely avoid using any of their products or services.

2018-10-02 20:18:39 UTC

Alphabet Inc is just a company, if they get woke go broke often enough they might adjust

2018-10-02 20:18:48 UTC

As someone who doesn’t like the Democratic Party I don’t think pointing out their time as an anti-black party is not a good way to change people’s opinion.

2018-10-02 20:18:51 UTC

I am saying that this might not necessarily be the case, as there are steps you can take through which you prevent them from getting to what they want out of you.

2018-10-02 20:19:11 UTC

i do wonder now

2018-10-02 20:19:13 UTC

lets say

2018-10-02 20:19:22 UTC

you take a video you upload on youtube

2018-10-02 20:19:25 UTC

you can play it just fine

2018-10-02 20:19:38 UTC

The democrat party is worse now as a counter to the Southern Strategy than they were as racists

2018-10-02 20:19:45 UTC

but the data it plays in encrypted in such a way that its seemingly just random

2018-10-02 20:19:48 UTC

all these companies need moeny

2018-10-02 20:19:48 UTC

but you get an addon

2018-10-02 20:19:51 UTC

As racists they gave us the new deal

2018-10-02 20:19:55 UTC

that decrypts the live video while you watch it

2018-10-02 20:20:02 UTC

Now they stand for nothing but virtue signalling

2018-10-02 20:20:06 UTC

@Risotto is right

2018-10-02 20:20:09 UTC

they will adjust

2018-10-02 20:20:10 UTC

Yes, you can create such a vieo.

2018-10-02 20:20:11 UTC

this way the YT algorithm can not read the file, but people in the know can

2018-10-02 20:20:25 UTC

It sounds like a wacky example, but I like those kind of thought experiments. Let's go there.

2018-10-02 20:20:31 UTC

the issue is, do we want them to adjust after all they did?

2018-10-02 20:20:37 UTC

if this was automatable

2018-10-02 20:20:52 UTC

but also exclusive so youtube cant also get those decryption keys

2018-10-02 20:20:59 UTC

that could be interesting

2018-10-02 20:21:09 UTC

I think this is very close to watermarking and data stenciling, I believe it's called, which is basically hiding data in files.

2018-10-02 20:21:48 UTC

It's pretty easy to do. For example, a GIF has headers that let the image library know where the picture ends, so additional data at the end of the file will not bother standard compliant libraries.

2018-10-02 20:22:07 UTC

So, you can append as much data to the end of the GIF as you like, upload it, nobody knows, and your data is at the end of the file.

2018-10-02 20:22:44 UTC

For example, I tried this on Minds and other social media services. I made a zip file in which I put some random cat memes, uploaded it to Minds, and my friend downloaded it, unzipped the file and got the cat memes out.

2018-10-02 20:22:52 UTC

The GIF was only 1 pixel in size.

2018-10-02 20:23:25 UTC

So, it is not too hard to hide data in a video stream, by watermarking. You can create any kind of pattern in your video, but it might make it harder, because many services will transcode your data first.

2018-10-02 20:23:53 UTC

YouTube, for example, will transcode your video to MP4 and AAC codec, so your data will likely get lost, as the transcoder only grabs the data it knows about.

2018-10-02 20:24:05 UTC

thats not new

2018-10-02 20:24:26 UTC

aye, but you have different codecs, and what i am saying is that you use the literal footage not something added they might trow away

2018-10-02 20:24:26 UTC

Other sites use a library called PNGCRUSH, which performs a similar function, and reduces extraneous data before storing and serving the image.

2018-10-02 20:24:29 UTC

like,t heres software with algorythingms that scans files for hiden files inside file formats

2018-10-02 20:24:29 UTC

@Risotto I think that might be a bit much. They are right now horrible but I think they were worse before the, β€œparty flip” or whatever they call it

2018-10-02 20:24:31 UTC

like.. uploading static

2018-10-02 20:24:41 UTC

No, that's not new. I am not saying it is. I am just answering the quesiton.

2018-10-02 20:24:46 UTC

but then, depending on the pattern, you can watch the actual video

2018-10-02 20:25:02 UTC

Right. That's not too hard to program.

2018-10-02 20:25:15 UTC

they cant just toss away literal video data, thats whats actually being requested to be played

2018-10-02 20:25:37 UTC

they proccess video data

2018-10-02 20:25:39 UTC

and images

2018-10-02 20:25:41 UTC

For example, QR codes just encode images. You could write a plugin that transforms each image on the fly and renders the "hidden" video.

2018-10-02 20:25:42 UTC

upon upload

2018-10-02 20:25:59 UTC

In computer security this is very similar to what is known as a "side channel".

2018-10-02 20:26:45 UTC

@Deleted User Yes, I know. But, it could be in the video frame itself. For example, QR codes encode URLs. You can create an arbitrary encoding for data that you then display in each frame.

2018-10-02 20:27:02 UTC

Even just morse code. They then represent bits.

2018-10-02 20:27:15 UTC

It might not be very compact, but creating such a "coded" video is doable.

2018-10-02 20:27:29 UTC

You could even go so far that it only makes sense if the watchers have a particular private key.

2018-10-02 20:27:55 UTC

It would look like static, unless you have the decryption key. It's not so different from the encoding that TV channels used.

2018-10-02 20:28:17 UTC

>removed as cohost on a podcast because someone claimed he was mean to her

2018-10-02 20:28:27 UTC

<:homeThonk:484732324198744097>

2018-10-02 20:28:46 UTC

Anyway. It's pretty wacky, but I am just going along with the thought experiment.

2018-10-02 20:28:59 UTC

yea but all that encoded data

2018-10-02 20:29:03 UTC

is going to be stored in a server

2018-10-02 20:29:08 UTC

probably FOR EVER

2018-10-02 20:29:11 UTC

Side channel?

2018-10-02 20:29:21 UTC

matter of time till ai catches on into this shit

2018-10-02 20:29:24 UTC

What you want to know?

2018-10-02 20:29:47 UTC

Yes. Somebody brought up uploading an encoded video to YouTube that can be played, but is not viewable in its original form until decoded.

2018-10-02 20:29:49 UTC

the best is just dont send em any info to them

2018-10-02 20:30:01 UTC

I was just walking through how one could create such an encoded video.

2018-10-02 20:30:14 UTC

@Undead Mockingbird what the fick does that mean?

2018-10-02 20:30:23 UTC

theres this war against hardware in silicon valley

2018-10-02 20:30:37 UTC

I was mentioning side channels, because in computer security, there have been amazing bugs that kind of inferred data through very unlikely means, such as the pattern of memory access by another process.

2018-10-02 20:30:37 UTC

is like there a red tape on hardware

2018-10-02 20:30:47 UTC

and only big ones are allowed to have hardware

2018-10-02 20:30:48 UTC

Side channel attack would be taking a camera phone and record it while it is playing

2018-10-02 20:30:53 UTC

So in confused

2018-10-02 20:31:02 UTC

lol

2018-10-02 20:31:12 UTC

Huh? No, I just explained what a side channel attack is in the context of computer security.

2018-10-02 20:31:42 UTC

I do not know what term you are talking about, but if you are correct, there might be different uses of the term in different contexts.

2018-10-02 20:32:16 UTC

This is what I am talking about: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Side-channel_attack

2018-10-02 20:33:26 UTC

Just like binary is just an arbitrary encoding, you can also encode arbitrary data in movies.

2018-10-02 20:34:03 UTC

Just like any of the letters of this sentence can be represented in numbers, such as their unicode encoding.

2018-10-02 20:34:14 UTC

But the issue is you want to decrypt it in a mitm attack?

2018-10-02 20:34:26 UTC

Why not just record it on the player level

2018-10-02 20:34:31 UTC

I don't know if that was the intention.

2018-10-02 20:34:59 UTC

I was using the example of the side channel attacks as an example of how regular communication and processes can be piggy backed on to communicate other information.

2018-10-02 20:35:08 UTC

Not really

2018-10-02 20:35:23 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/496782270510661632/Screenshot_20181002-133512_Firefox.jpg

2018-10-02 20:35:46 UTC

Side channel is using hardware to decrypt it since 1 uses power vs 0

2018-10-02 20:35:52 UTC

"In computer security, a side-channel attack is any attack based on information gained from the implementation of a computer system, rather than weaknesses in the implemented algorithm itself (e.g. cryptanalysis and software bugs). Timing information, power consumption, electromagnetic leaks or even sound can provide an extra source of information, which can be exploited."

2018-10-02 20:36:18 UTC

Well youtube has a major vulnerability on encrypted video. It is decrypted with the player

2018-10-02 20:36:35 UTC

I don't want to get off topic.

2018-10-02 20:36:40 UTC

So you can record the overlay of the video

2018-10-02 20:37:09 UTC

So im confused, why would you use YouTube for eyes only video...

2018-10-02 20:37:23 UTC

Like for limited access

2018-10-02 20:37:33 UTC

I was responding to a hypothetical question.

2018-10-02 20:38:02 UTC

The question, as I understood it, was whether one can "hide" data in an otherwise valid video.

2018-10-02 20:38:06 UTC

You talking about youtive contentid algorithm?

2018-10-02 20:38:12 UTC

No.

2018-10-02 20:38:40 UTC

It is a obfuscation technique you can do against YouTube ai...

2018-10-02 20:39:30 UTC

But you cant hide data in the audio channels since YouTube will check it and see does it conform to a known audio format

2018-10-02 20:39:51 UTC

But there has been an idea on using audio format to hold data outside of sound

2018-10-02 20:40:04 UTC

Yes, but you can still encode whatever you please in the data you upload.

2018-10-02 20:40:24 UTC

Lol

2018-10-02 20:40:39 UTC

Tim's new vid

2018-10-02 20:40:39 UTC

But, that's really, REALLY hypothetical.

2018-10-02 20:40:49 UTC

imaginemyshock.jpg

2018-10-02 20:40:52 UTC

I was just playing along, because I liked the thought experiment.

2018-10-02 20:41:03 UTC

Which video? @♓♏♋

2018-10-02 20:41:25 UTC

Left eating their own?

2018-10-02 20:42:11 UTC

Anyway, we're so far off topic now, we took the safari to Russia.

2018-10-02 20:43:17 UTC

Yes

2018-10-02 20:43:32 UTC

It's amazing to me how far people can dig in their heel.

2018-10-02 20:43:54 UTC

When I heard of the Kavanaugh thing, I thought: "Man, this one they really have to concede is crazy."

2018-10-02 20:44:09 UTC

Then, I go to TYT and it's basically all: "BELIEVE WOMEN! BELIEVE WOMEN!"

2018-10-02 20:44:32 UTC

Men and women are perfectly equal, except men are all rapists and women never lie. Got it.

2018-10-02 20:45:16 UTC

Most people only learn when they got burned by this anti-rational madness. So, as sad as it is to see some people get ruined, it's the only way to wake them up.

2018-10-02 20:45:25 UTC

You know what gets me is tim being surprised this is happening

2018-10-02 20:45:35 UTC

OMFG YES!

2018-10-02 20:45:41 UTC

NOthing against Tim.

2018-10-02 20:45:41 UTC

Fucking right

2018-10-02 20:45:47 UTC

But he has some serious blind spots.

2018-10-02 20:46:02 UTC

But, so did I. I was a full on lefty.

2018-10-02 20:46:11 UTC

Then, I started reading books ...

2018-10-02 20:46:21 UTC

He acts like omg this happened im like bitch they have been doing this all year

2018-10-02 20:46:27 UTC

Sorry, not trying to be condescending.

2018-10-02 20:46:53 UTC

UVA, Duke Lacrosse, Jian Ghomeshi, Brian Branks, ...

2018-10-02 20:46:54 UTC

I think he just has blinders on

2018-10-02 20:47:10 UTC

Mattress Girl, Mustafa Uruay, Marvin Zuker, Mandi Gray

2018-10-02 20:47:17 UTC

Exactly

2018-10-02 20:47:32 UTC

Roy Moore, Jemma Beale, Brian Banks

2018-10-02 20:47:44 UTC

Oh, wait I already said brian banks

2018-10-02 20:47:51 UTC

The mattress girl even made a β€œart video” where we can see her nudes and her having sex

2018-10-02 20:48:00 UTC

Pretty much all high profile rape cases turned to sh*t.

2018-10-02 20:48:02 UTC

Like dude wtf

2018-10-02 20:48:23 UTC

Yeah, right ... that's exactly what someone who was sexually assaulted would do.

2018-10-02 20:48:52 UTC

But, there is no typical behavior for rape victims now, the left tells us.

2018-10-02 20:49:25 UTC

I saw emma’s art piece bitch basically had dick in her then changed her mind and claimed rape

2018-10-02 20:49:28 UTC

During the Satanic Panic it was "Believe the children!"

2018-10-02 20:49:34 UTC

Now it's "Believe the women!"

2018-10-02 20:49:54 UTC

Wait, did she claim rape AGAIN?!

2018-10-02 20:50:15 UTC

No it was in the art piece

2018-10-02 20:50:20 UTC

oh ....

2018-10-02 20:50:24 UTC

@Undead Mockingbird it's been that way since Hillary was running. She had it as a campaign slogan and then changed it because people were like what about bill

2018-10-02 20:50:42 UTC
2018-10-02 20:50:54 UTC

But, I think false rape allegations are a little oder than that.

2018-10-02 20:51:13 UTC

All the studies that pre-date feminist cleansing found a false allegation rate of 40-80%.

2018-10-02 20:51:25 UTC

McDouglas, Kanin, studies from Germany, UK, Australia

2018-10-02 20:51:50 UTC

Most frequent reason for lying: VIndictiveness and avoiding societal shaming.

2018-10-02 20:52:27 UTC

Currently, about HALF of all exonerations by the Innocence Project are of men having been falsely convicted of rape, conclusively exonerated.

2018-10-02 20:53:14 UTC

Rape, however, only makes up 1/20th of all violent crime. The Innocence Project takes on all cases that seem to have a chance to succeed. Roughly speaking, we can say that false allegations happen at a rate 4 times as high for rape.

2018-10-02 20:53:23 UTC

(source: DoJ)

2018-10-02 20:53:44 UTC

The average falsely convicted man spends 11 years in prison.

2018-10-02 20:53:52 UTC

There are 300,000 rapes in federal prison per year.

2018-10-02 20:54:22 UTC

The rate of HIV infections in penal institutions is 4-8x that of the general population, depending on type of institution.

2018-10-02 20:55:11 UTC

If this doesn't scare people, they are not paying attention.

2018-10-02 20:55:27 UTC

I don't like how people assume all accusation that aren't proven one way or another are assumed true.

2018-10-02 20:55:39 UTC

They never are.

2018-10-02 20:56:03 UTC

Yes, the statistic padding has been infamous in the feminist peddled studies.

2018-10-02 20:56:34 UTC

One of the most egregious cases are probably the study by Koss in 1994, the Duluth Model, or the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA).

2018-10-02 20:57:11 UTC

All were peddled and sponsored with a degree of manipulation and conflicts of interest that would have immediately disqualified any other scientific publication.

2018-10-02 20:57:32 UTC

Feminism is one of the biggest shams in the 20th century - and we are all paying, men, boys, girls, and women alike.

2018-10-02 20:57:46 UTC

Nobody is being helped by these lies. I am absolutely disgusted by it.

2018-10-02 20:58:22 UTC

When I first listened to Erin Pizzey at the ICMI, I was absolutely blown away.

2018-10-02 20:59:28 UTC

But, I am also really delighted - I don't use that word a lot - that people here actually seem to know about those things, that it's finally seeping into the general knowledge.

2018-10-02 21:00:12 UTC

People here are probably a cut above the normie population, so add another 10 years and the state of knowledge here might be the normie knowledge. One can only hope.

2018-10-02 21:03:06 UTC

I thought Counter arguments did a good job on the listen and believe thing earlier this year. here's the video for those who have not seen it: https://youtu.be/YVy3EnOrfok

2018-10-02 21:03:26 UTC

oof

2018-10-02 21:03:29 UTC

imagine her bald

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