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Maybe someone should make a 3D scale of the spectrum
I mean, look at the itallian fasces party
That's not explicitly right wing
Seems like Fascism is a form of Government by that def.
its has right wing characteristic
I said, nationalism is associated with right wing beliefs.
And left wing
Actually I realized my mistake.
So, can there be a *Right-wing* faction of Communism?
Communism isn't a form of government
Yeah, I keep forgetting the left in the US used to love their country
Anything red come into mind?
yeah its all authoritarian
Farming tools maybe?
i read history books all day, i see it all the damn time
Authority vs. Liberty.
Not Right vs. Left.
So was my initial statement right?
Yeah I see the point there.
British Raj come to mind.
Ok lets just say that people in power can and will use whatever ideological and governing technique available to consolidate their control
I think we got to look more in-depth into the tenets of fascism rather, to see the reason for that categorical differences
Well, they will. The sorts of people who come to power are like that.
"Is Fascism right wing, or just a form of government that is neither left nor right, like Democracy?"
Well, like fascism as we know it now or fasces, when it used to be that wierd axe and faggot combo
this was the first statement
Bundle of sticks
together we are strong
Fascism is specifically right wing and communism is specifically left wing, but at the end its hard to tell the real difference in the pile of bodies
Together, we are strong individually.
Yeah that's the thing
how is fascism right wing
How is it an ideology
nationalism is right wing
Im pointing out the logic people use.
They see nationalist, and they see right wing
I dont agree with that acessment
But thats how people tend to make the connection
its an ideology because it dictates how people should behave and think
But if you look into the actual policies they implement, they start looking more left
but its also kinda of a government because it dictates how government should be managed
Using State Power not to take control of keeping everyone happy but using State control making sure keeping national people happy.
Like control of the industry, taking away firearms, heck, Hitler implement alot of anti smoking and animal rights laws.
Hence, why the Far-Right is only interested in the Nation and the Far Left is interested in eveything bu the Nation.
I mean, 8values has that as a separate value
Nationalist vs Globalist.
And argues that either are not supposed to be tied to one side or the other
Indvidual vs. Collective.
thats a different dimension
Russian commies were pretty nationalist
wait, does government inherently have ideological backing?
Left - Right isnt really accepted anymore
Yea. It's authority
hence the new square things
can there be a government without an ideology behind it?
it depends on how deep of a conversation you want to have
Can't think of any way that'd work.
to hell with the square thing, we need a tesseract
nah we need a dodecahedron
nah better Bescon Polyhedral - 100 Sides
nth-dimension spherical map
its a goddman web
everything is connected
A Tholian Web!
now we're talking
oh shit we're getting to clsoe to the truth
Seven Degrees of Infinity.
the illuminati might try to kill us
A Kek-tuse Traingle.
I see your Right-Angle and raise you 90*.
Are you being Obtuse with me?!?
In the 1920s the Italian Fascists described their ideology as right-wing in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century". Mussolini stated that fascism's position on the political spectrum was not a serious issue for fascists: "Fascism, sitting on the right, could also have sat on the mountain of the center ... These words in any case do not have a fixed and unchanged meaning: they do have a variable subject to location, time and spirit. We don't give a damn about these empty terminologies and we despise those who are terrorized by these words".
You forget yourself. If you eant to play games, then it will not happen in my office.
I am a communist
I am right wing
communism is right wing
you sasssy bitch
i like you
Awww love you too sweetie
Seems about right
I am no wing. Therefore I am wingless. I win.
My wings are on both sides
I. Win. Done.
You Are Win
Win is good. Win is Life.
Win is Love
Win is Kek
KEK IS GOD
I wonder if Kekistan will become a legit ethnicity
implying it wasnt already
Sargon said that's why he made it
Man I love this server
Everyone is so nice
Tim pool has a great audience
Yes, his fans are really subversive. Herpy derpy.
if everyone is kekistani noone is kekistani
then all the issues disappear
Kekistan, fuck ya! Coming home to a server to you! Kekistan, fuck ya!
I unironically love shadilay
It's a good song
I like "Hello, my name is Jade." song.
Maybe I'll make a cover of it someday
though i sing worse than a frog
I love how dankula advocates for free speech
and runs his server like stalin
I was unaware fo that.
Free Speech Extremist
He demands that people be free
I demand no demands of those that do not want to be demanded.
I demand that you must agree to not agree to disagree to agree
I dont think he really mods his own channel
You know, I miss the time before third wave feminism turned from benign termor to terminal cancer. I miss when they were advocating for equal social norms like women being topless without a bra like how men can be topless and not cover their nips.
Well they moved from wanting women to have the same rights and responsibilities, to all the priviliges and no responsibilities
Just like abortion. "This is a horrible option that should only be a last resort" apparently turned into "it's the best birth control"
All the high functioning mentally I'll have left leaving only those who should be in a mental hospital
Give it time. People are finding them sillier by the year
Arguably, they are better at sending people to the right than the right itself.
And well, I dont think the Right are that good at attracting support.
Its gonna weed out the extremists from the real Liberals
I prefer no court or branch of goverment making decisions of those deciding what they want to do with a secondary lifeform.
And well, how many left to join the right since the right is closer to liberalism than the dems
again left - right isnt really used anymore
Still do overseas
The US has progressed that far
they parallel so often
i mean maybe it is a US thing
Well dosent help that we have 2 sides. Social democracy vs relligious fundamentalists
Here, not the US
Everyone right of Stalin is on the right these days
but yea it would be more accurate to say conservative and liberal
and the far left
Really far left
i just go by ideology tbh
I dont really care, the only socialism Ill even tolerate is social democracy
even then im skeptical
Though understand here. People compare right wing here to US right wing
So they assume the US is full of relligious fundamentalists that think LGBT is sinful but are okay with cousin marriage and child brides.
alot of people compare to us
its weird cause they often misinterpret
What they dont realize, that the US has progressed so much, that Malaysia's liberal and progressive party is the right wing in the US
Is closer to the right wing in the US i mean
yea just one of the reasons i try not to use left-right cause other countries have differences
And well, I tend to say left and right in regards to the US unless specified otherwise
authoritarian vs libertarian is the more important axis anyways
And dosent help that the current US left candidates are authoritharian, but somehow, the right wing is very libertarian for some reason.
At least according to ISideWith
varies per candidate imo
they're both moderate authoritarian parties, but at the moment the right is less authoritarian than the left
The most authoritharian is Pence.
ANd hes leaning libertarian as well
probably because trump is in charge and he's more interested in getting us a wall than any other changes he might want
Actually, Trumps closest to center I check
Pence is the most conservative
But Trump is the most centrist.
Trump has his own quadrant. haha
According to the site at least.
It floats around.
Populism is right or left wing again?
It depends on the policy.
So more accurate to say neither
populism is dependent on public demand
Bernie and Trump both campaigned as a populist
Populism can be either Left or Right. It's based on passion and not policy.
Usually, popularist candidates gain power when people are dissatisfied with the current political order
That basically the U.S. lol
Gaius Julius Ceasar was a member of the populares
His death was very unpopular with the common folk
Just gonna lay it out there. I WILL find every opportunity to add a historical comment to every conversation
History repeats itself
The roman civil war that resulted in the dissolution of the republic and the formation of the empire, began with the normalization of political assassinations following the killings of the gracchi brothers.
Calling it now, a US politician will get assassinated and the MSM will be cool about it
That will lead to civil war
That being said. GLORY TO THE AMERICAN EMPIRE
Do debates about firearms go in <#463068752725016579> or <#467577750325297162>? Just curious.
I didnt know we had a firearms chat
I think it's new.
I say it should go to debate chnnel
I broke it in a bit.
Firearms chat should be about talking how cool guns are
How about dem mauser am I right
I was watching about how the boers loved mausers so much
do the dance
The safety dance?
sure why not
make ends meet
But I feel stupid when I'm dancing:
Dancing is gay
Change my mind
Its always been, but that should not mean you dont do your best to eliminate politics from your results
Which is worse CNN or Fox News
If you asked me when I was 13, FOX
If you ask me now, CNN
Cause news was all bad when I was 13. I remember when FOX was the whole "games turn kids into murderers"
Now its CNN and "Games turn people sexist"
Now, it's Games without Frontiers.
CNN is also "games turn people violent" now too
I miss when it was just atheists versus Christians
Everything was so simple
I don't get into religion because it's actually a pretty complex debate.
Now it's Progressive Christians versus Evangelical Christians and Athiests versus New Athiests.
Atheists vs Atheism+
But that was finished long ago
This dude is leaving the same reply under every top comment in the latest thinkery video. It's hilarious.
They guy who cried socialist