Maybe someone should make a 3D scale of the spectrum

I mean, look at the itallian fasces party

That's not explicitly right wing

Seems like Fascism is a form of Government by that def.

Exactly

its has right wing characteristic

I said, nationalism is associated with right wing beliefs.

And left wing

Actually I realized my mistake.

so....

So, can there be a *Right-wing* faction of Communism?

Communism isn't a form of government

Yeah, I keep forgetting the left in the US used to love their country

@missdanger Where have you heard this before?

Anything red come into mind?

yeah its all authoritarian

Farming tools maybe?

i read history books all day, i see it all the damn time

Authority vs. Liberty.

Not Right vs. Left.

So was my initial statement right?

Yeah I see the point there.

British Raj come to mind.

Ok lets just say that people in power can and will use whatever ideological and governing technique available to consolidate their control

I think we got to look more in-depth into the tenets of fascism rather, to see the reason for that categorical differences

Well, they will. The sorts of people who come to power are like that.

"Is Fascism right wing, or just a form of government that is neither left nor right, like Democracy?"

Well, like fascism as we know it now or fasces, when it used to be that wierd axe and faggot combo

this was the first statement

Bundle of sticks

together we are strong

Fascism is specifically right wing and communism is specifically left wing, but at the end its hard to tell the real difference in the pile of bodies

Together, we are strong individually.

Yeah that's the thing

how is fascism right wing

How is it an ideology

nationalism is right wing

Im pointing out the logic people use.

They see nationalist, and they see right wing

I dont agree with that acessment

But thats how people tend to make the connection

its an ideology because it dictates how people should behave and think

No, missdanger

But if you look into the actual policies they implement, they start looking more left

but its also kinda of a government because it dictates how government should be managed

Using State Power not to take control of keeping everyone happy but using State control making sure keeping national people happy.

Like control of the industry, taking away firearms, heck, Hitler implement alot of anti smoking and animal rights laws.

Hence, why the Far-Right is only interested in the Nation and the Far Left is interested in eveything bu the Nation.

I mean, 8values has that as a separate value

Nationalist vs Globalist.

And argues that either are not supposed to be tied to one side or the other

Indvidual vs. Collective.

thats a different dimension

Russian commies were pretty nationalist

wait, does government inherently have ideological backing?

Left - Right isnt really accepted anymore

Yea. It's authority

hence the new square things

can there be a government without an ideology behind it?

it depends on how deep of a conversation you want to have

Can't think of any way that'd work.

to hell with the square thing, we need a tesseract

<:LVA:463089670520045579>

Isohedran.

Twenty-sided cube.

nah we need a dodecahedron

a web

nah better Bescon Polyhedral - 100 Sides

nth-dimension spherical map

its a goddman web

everything is connected

A Tholian Web!

now we're talking

oh shit we're getting to clsoe to the truth

Seven Degrees of Infinity.

the illuminati might try to kill us

kek

A Kek-tuse Traingle.

pfffft

I see your Right-Angle and raise you 90*.

Are you being Obtuse with me?!?

In the 1920s the Italian Fascists described their ideology as right-wing in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century".[53][54] Mussolini stated that fascism's position on the political spectrum was not a serious issue for fascists: "Fascism, sitting on the right, could also have sat on the mountain of the center ... These words in any case do not have a fixed and unchanged meaning: they do have a variable subject to location, time and spirit. We don't give a damn about these empty terminologies and we despise those who are terrorized by these words".[55]

@Deleted User

You forget yourself. If you eant to play games, then it will not happen in my office.

I am a communist

I am right wing

Therefore

communism is right wing

you sasssy bitch

rekt

i like you

Awww love you too sweetie

Seems about right

I am no wing. Therefore I am wingless. I win.

My wings are on both sides

I. Win. Done.

You Are Win

Win.

Win is good. Win is Life.

Win is Love

Win is Kek

KEK IS GOD

of win

I wonder if Kekistan will become a legit ethnicity

implying it wasnt already

lel

jk

Sargon said that's why he made it

We'll see

Man I love this server

Everyone is so nice

The server loves the server too, @Deleted User haha

lmao

Tim pool has a great audience

Yes, his fans are really subversive. Herpy derpy.

goddamnit

lmao

if everyone is kekistani noone is kekistani

then all the issues disappear

Kekistan, fuck ya! Coming home to a server to you! Kekistan, fuck ya!

Shadilay

shadilay

I unironically love shadilay

It's a good song

I like "Hello, my name is Jade." song.

Maybe I'll make a cover of it someday

though i sing worse than a frog

lol

reeeeeeeeee

lel

I love how dankula advocates for free speech

and runs his server like stalin

I was unaware fo that.

Free Speech Extremist

He demands that people be free

I demand no demands of those that do not want to be demanded.

Reeee

I demand that you must agree to not agree to disagree to agree

I dont think he really mods his own channel

You know, I miss the time before third wave feminism turned from benign termor to terminal cancer. I miss when they were advocating for equal social norms like women being topless without a bra like how men can be topless and not cover their nips.

Well they moved from wanting women to have the same rights and responsibilities, to all the priviliges and no responsibilities

Just like abortion. "This is a horrible option that should only be a last resort" apparently turned into "it's the best birth control"

All the high functioning mentally I'll have left leaving only those who should be in a mental hospital

Give it time. People are finding them sillier by the year

Arguably, they are better at sending people to the right than the right itself.

And well, I dont think the Right are that good at attracting support.

Its gonna weed out the extremists from the real Liberals

I prefer no court or branch of goverment making decisions of those deciding what they want to do with a secondary lifeform.

And well, how many left to join the right since the right is closer to liberalism than the dems

again left - right isnt really used anymore

it overgeneralizes

Still do overseas

The US has progressed that far

they parallel so often

i mean maybe it is a US thing

Well dosent help that we have 2 sides. Social democracy vs relligious fundamentalists

Here, not the US

Everyone right of Stalin is on the right these days

but yea it would be more accurate to say conservative and liberal

and the far left

Really far left

Commie?

i just go by ideology tbh

democratic commie

I dont really care, the only socialism Ill even tolerate is social democracy

same

even then im skeptical

Though understand here. People compare right wing here to US right wing

So they assume the US is full of relligious fundamentalists that think LGBT is sinful but are okay with cousin marriage and child brides.

alot of people compare to us

its weird cause they often misinterpret

What they dont realize, that the US has progressed so much, that Malaysia's liberal and progressive party is the right wing in the US

Is closer to the right wing in the US i mean

yea just one of the reasons i try not to use left-right cause other countries have differences

And well, I tend to say left and right in regards to the US unless specified otherwise

authoritarian vs libertarian is the more important axis anyways

ye

And dosent help that the current US left candidates are authoritharian, but somehow, the right wing is very libertarian for some reason.

At least according to ISideWith

varies per candidate imo

they're both moderate authoritarian parties, but at the moment the right is less authoritarian than the left

The most authoritharian is Pence.

ANd hes leaning libertarian as well

probably because trump is in charge and he's more interested in getting us a wall than any other changes he might want

Actually, Trumps closest to center I check

Pence is the most conservative

But Trump is the most centrist.

Trump has his own quadrant. haha

According to the site at least.

It floats around.

Populism is right or left wing again?

It depends on the policy.

So more accurate to say neither

?

populism is dependent on public demand

Bernie and Trump both campaigned as a populist

Populism can be either Left or Right. It's based on passion and not policy.

Yep

Usually, popularist candidates gain power when people are dissatisfied with the current political order

That basically the U.S. lol

Pretty much

Gaius Julius Ceasar was a member of the populares

His death was very unpopular with the common folk

Just gonna lay it out there. I WILL find every opportunity to add a historical comment to every conversation

History repeats itself

Pretty much

The roman civil war that resulted in the dissolution of the republic and the formation of the empire, began with the normalization of political assassinations following the killings of the gracchi brothers.

So...

Calling it now, a US politician will get assassinated and the MSM will be cool about it

That will lead to civil war

That being said. GLORY TO THE AMERICAN EMPIRE

Do debates about firearms go in <#463068752725016579> or <#467577750325297162>? Just curious.

I didnt know we had a firearms chat

I think it's new.

I say it should go to debate chnnel

I broke it in a bit.

Firearms chat should be about talking how cool guns are

How about dem mauser am I right

I was watching about how the boers loved mausers so much

do the dance

The safety dance?

sure why not

make ends meet

But I feel stupid when I'm dancing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMlNQ_AsFsc\

Dancing is gay

Change my mind

https://twitter.com/ColdWarScience/status/1017211382176059392?s=19

Lmao

Its always been, but that should not mean you dont do your best to eliminate politics from your results

^

Which is worse CNN or Fox News

CNN

If you asked me when I was 13, FOX

If you ask me now, CNN

Cause news was all bad when I was 13. I remember when FOX was the whole "games turn kids into murderers"

Now its CNN and "Games turn people sexist"

Now, it's Games without Frontiers.

CNN is also "games turn people violent" now too

I miss when it was just atheists versus Christians

Everything was so simple

I don't get into religion because it's actually a pretty complex debate.

Now it's Progressive Christians versus Evangelical Christians and Athiests versus New Athiests.

Atheists vs Atheism+

But that was finished long ago

Atheism+ won

This dude is leaving the same reply under every top comment in the latest thinkery video. It's hilarious.

They guy who cried socialist

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