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2018-07-14 04:27:54 UTC


2018-07-14 04:28:06 UTC

Maybe someone should make a 3D scale of the spectrum

2018-07-14 04:28:08 UTC

I mean, look at the itallian fasces party

2018-07-14 04:28:08 UTC

That's not explicitly right wing

2018-07-14 04:28:11 UTC

Seems like Fascism is a form of Government by that def.

2018-07-14 04:28:19 UTC


2018-07-14 04:28:20 UTC

its has right wing characteristic

2018-07-14 04:28:23 UTC

I said, nationalism is associated with right wing beliefs.

2018-07-14 04:28:25 UTC

And left wing

2018-07-14 04:28:37 UTC

Actually I realized my mistake.

2018-07-14 04:28:38 UTC


2018-07-14 04:28:43 UTC

So, can there be a *Right-wing* faction of Communism?

2018-07-14 04:28:52 UTC

Communism isn't a form of government

2018-07-14 04:28:53 UTC

Yeah, I keep forgetting the left in the US used to love their country

2018-07-14 04:29:05 UTC

@missdanger Where have you heard this before?


2018-07-14 04:29:24 UTC

Anything red come into mind?

2018-07-14 04:29:24 UTC

yeah its all authoritarian

2018-07-14 04:29:30 UTC

Farming tools maybe?

2018-07-14 04:29:43 UTC

i read history books all day, i see it all the damn time

2018-07-14 04:29:57 UTC

Authority vs. Liberty.

2018-07-14 04:30:14 UTC

Not Right vs. Left.

2018-07-14 04:30:15 UTC

So was my initial statement right?

2018-07-14 04:30:22 UTC

Yeah I see the point there.

2018-07-14 04:30:54 UTC

British Raj come to mind.

2018-07-14 04:31:47 UTC

Ok lets just say that people in power can and will use whatever ideological and governing technique available to consolidate their control

2018-07-14 04:32:10 UTC

I think we got to look more in-depth into the tenets of fascism rather, to see the reason for that categorical differences

2018-07-14 04:32:14 UTC

Well, they will. The sorts of people who come to power are like that.

2018-07-14 04:32:32 UTC

"Is Fascism right wing, or just a form of government that is neither left nor right, like Democracy?"

2018-07-14 04:32:34 UTC

Well, like fascism as we know it now or fasces, when it used to be that wierd axe and faggot combo

2018-07-14 04:32:37 UTC

this was the first statement

2018-07-14 04:32:39 UTC

Bundle of sticks

2018-07-14 04:33:14 UTC

together we are strong

2018-07-14 04:33:43 UTC

Fascism is specifically right wing and communism is specifically left wing, but at the end its hard to tell the real difference in the pile of bodies

2018-07-14 04:33:52 UTC

Together, we are strong individually.

2018-07-14 04:33:56 UTC

Yeah that's the thing

2018-07-14 04:34:01 UTC

how is fascism right wing

2018-07-14 04:34:09 UTC

How is it an ideology

2018-07-14 04:34:11 UTC

nationalism is right wing

2018-07-14 04:34:12 UTC

Im pointing out the logic people use.

2018-07-14 04:34:20 UTC

They see nationalist, and they see right wing

2018-07-14 04:34:29 UTC

I dont agree with that acessment

2018-07-14 04:34:37 UTC

But thats how people tend to make the connection

2018-07-14 04:34:41 UTC

its an ideology because it dictates how people should behave and think

2018-07-14 04:34:48 UTC

No, missdanger

2018-07-14 04:34:49 UTC

But if you look into the actual policies they implement, they start looking more left

2018-07-14 04:34:59 UTC

but its also kinda of a government because it dictates how government should be managed

2018-07-14 04:35:10 UTC

Using State Power not to take control of keeping everyone happy but using State control making sure keeping national people happy.

2018-07-14 04:35:28 UTC

Like control of the industry, taking away firearms, heck, Hitler implement alot of anti smoking and animal rights laws.

2018-07-14 04:35:37 UTC

Hence, why the Far-Right is only interested in the Nation and the Far Left is interested in eveything bu the Nation.

2018-07-14 04:36:18 UTC

I mean, 8values has that as a separate value

2018-07-14 04:36:22 UTC

Nationalist vs Globalist.

2018-07-14 04:36:43 UTC

And argues that either are not supposed to be tied to one side or the other

2018-07-14 04:37:30 UTC

Indvidual vs. Collective.

2018-07-14 04:37:45 UTC

thats a different dimension

2018-07-14 04:37:48 UTC

Russian commies were pretty nationalist

2018-07-14 04:38:21 UTC

wait, does government inherently have ideological backing?

2018-07-14 04:38:29 UTC

Left - Right isnt really accepted anymore

2018-07-14 04:38:49 UTC

Yea. It's authority

2018-07-14 04:38:55 UTC

hence the new square things

2018-07-14 04:38:57 UTC

can there be a government without an ideology behind it?

2018-07-14 04:39:03 UTC

it depends on how deep of a conversation you want to have

2018-07-14 04:39:36 UTC

Can't think of any way that'd work.

2018-07-14 04:39:37 UTC

to hell with the square thing, we need a tesseract

2018-07-14 04:39:40 UTC


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2018-07-14 04:40:19 UTC

Twenty-sided cube.

2018-07-14 04:40:33 UTC

nah we need a dodecahedron

2018-07-14 04:41:17 UTC

a web

2018-07-14 04:41:18 UTC

nah better Bescon Polyhedral - 100 Sides

2018-07-14 04:41:20 UTC

nth-dimension spherical map

2018-07-14 04:41:22 UTC

its a goddman web

2018-07-14 04:41:31 UTC

everything is connected

2018-07-14 04:41:40 UTC

A Tholian Web!

2018-07-14 04:41:47 UTC

now we're talking

2018-07-14 04:42:06 UTC

oh shit we're getting to clsoe to the truth

2018-07-14 04:42:22 UTC

Seven Degrees of Infinity.

2018-07-14 04:42:29 UTC

the illuminati might try to kill us

2018-07-14 04:42:33 UTC


2018-07-14 04:42:52 UTC

A Kek-tuse Traingle.

2018-07-14 04:43:28 UTC


2018-07-14 04:44:05 UTC

I see your Right-Angle and raise you 90*.

2018-07-14 04:44:23 UTC

Are you being Obtuse with me?!?

2018-07-14 04:44:55 UTC

In the 1920s the Italian Fascists described their ideology as right-wing in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century".[53][54] Mussolini stated that fascism's position on the political spectrum was not a serious issue for fascists: "Fascism, sitting on the right, could also have sat on the mountain of the center ... These words in any case do not have a fixed and unchanged meaning: they do have a variable subject to location, time and spirit. We don't give a damn about these empty terminologies and we despise those who are terrorized by these words".[55]

2018-07-14 04:44:57 UTC
2018-07-14 04:45:11 UTC

You forget yourself. If you eant to play games, then it will not happen in my office.

2018-07-14 04:45:22 UTC

I am a communist

2018-07-14 04:45:25 UTC

I am right wing

2018-07-14 04:45:28 UTC


2018-07-14 04:45:32 UTC

communism is right wing

2018-07-14 04:45:40 UTC

you sasssy bitch

2018-07-14 04:45:40 UTC


2018-07-14 04:45:42 UTC

i like you

2018-07-14 04:45:57 UTC

Awww love you too sweetie

2018-07-14 04:46:03 UTC

Seems about right

2018-07-14 04:46:30 UTC

I am no wing. Therefore I am wingless. I win.

2018-07-14 04:48:00 UTC

My wings are on both sides

2018-07-14 04:48:02 UTC

I. Win. Done.

2018-07-14 04:48:14 UTC

You Are Win

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2018-07-14 04:48:30 UTC

Win is good. Win is Life.

2018-07-14 04:49:03 UTC

Win is Love

2018-07-14 04:49:29 UTC

Win is Kek

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2018-07-14 04:50:32 UTC

of win

2018-07-14 04:51:27 UTC

I wonder if Kekistan will become a legit ethnicity

2018-07-14 04:51:43 UTC

implying it wasnt already

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2018-07-14 04:51:57 UTC

Sargon said that's why he made it

2018-07-14 04:52:12 UTC

We'll see

2018-07-14 04:52:46 UTC

Man I love this server

2018-07-14 04:52:54 UTC

Everyone is so nice

2018-07-14 04:53:03 UTC

The server loves the server too, @Deleted User haha

2018-07-14 04:53:09 UTC


2018-07-14 04:53:24 UTC

Tim pool has a great audience

2018-07-14 04:53:43 UTC

Yes, his fans are really subversive. Herpy derpy.

2018-07-14 04:53:49 UTC


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2018-07-14 04:54:13 UTC

if everyone is kekistani noone is kekistani

2018-07-14 04:54:23 UTC

then all the issues disappear

2018-07-14 04:54:40 UTC

Kekistan, fuck ya! Coming home to a server to you! Kekistan, fuck ya!

2018-07-14 04:55:34 UTC


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2018-07-14 04:55:48 UTC

I unironically love shadilay

2018-07-14 04:55:53 UTC

It's a good song

2018-07-14 04:56:06 UTC

I like "Hello, my name is Jade." song.

2018-07-14 04:56:13 UTC

Maybe I'll make a cover of it someday

2018-07-14 04:56:21 UTC

though i sing worse than a frog

2018-07-14 04:56:23 UTC


2018-07-14 04:56:36 UTC


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2018-07-14 04:57:53 UTC

I love how dankula advocates for free speech

2018-07-14 04:58:00 UTC

and runs his server like stalin

2018-07-14 04:58:46 UTC

I was unaware fo that.

2018-07-14 04:58:48 UTC

Free Speech Extremist

2018-07-14 04:58:58 UTC

He demands that people be free

2018-07-14 04:59:19 UTC

I demand no demands of those that do not want to be demanded.

2018-07-14 05:00:51 UTC


2018-07-14 05:01:30 UTC

I demand that you must agree to not agree to disagree to agree

2018-07-14 05:11:56 UTC

I dont think he really mods his own channel

2018-07-14 05:13:36 UTC

You know, I miss the time before third wave feminism turned from benign termor to terminal cancer. I miss when they were advocating for equal social norms like women being topless without a bra like how men can be topless and not cover their nips.

2018-07-14 05:14:19 UTC

Well they moved from wanting women to have the same rights and responsibilities, to all the priviliges and no responsibilities

2018-07-14 05:15:16 UTC

Just like abortion. "This is a horrible option that should only be a last resort" apparently turned into "it's the best birth control"

2018-07-14 05:15:58 UTC

All the high functioning mentally I'll have left leaving only those who should be in a mental hospital

2018-07-14 05:17:09 UTC

Give it time. People are finding them sillier by the year

2018-07-14 05:17:52 UTC

Arguably, they are better at sending people to the right than the right itself.

2018-07-14 05:18:10 UTC

And well, I dont think the Right are that good at attracting support.

2018-07-14 05:20:29 UTC

Its gonna weed out the extremists from the real Liberals

2018-07-14 05:21:25 UTC

I prefer no court or branch of goverment making decisions of those deciding what they want to do with a secondary lifeform.

2018-07-14 05:21:44 UTC

And well, how many left to join the right since the right is closer to liberalism than the dems

2018-07-14 05:23:29 UTC

again left - right isnt really used anymore

2018-07-14 05:23:42 UTC

it overgeneralizes

2018-07-14 05:23:46 UTC

Still do overseas

2018-07-14 05:24:04 UTC

The US has progressed that far

2018-07-14 05:24:05 UTC

they parallel so often

2018-07-14 05:24:22 UTC

i mean maybe it is a US thing

2018-07-14 05:24:43 UTC

Well dosent help that we have 2 sides. Social democracy vs relligious fundamentalists

2018-07-14 05:24:51 UTC

Here, not the US

2018-07-14 05:24:55 UTC

Everyone right of Stalin is on the right these days

2018-07-14 05:24:55 UTC

but yea it would be more accurate to say conservative and liberal

2018-07-14 05:25:04 UTC

and the far left

2018-07-14 05:25:07 UTC

Really far left

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2018-07-14 05:25:42 UTC

i just go by ideology tbh

2018-07-14 05:25:48 UTC

democratic commie

2018-07-14 05:26:07 UTC

I dont really care, the only socialism Ill even tolerate is social democracy

2018-07-14 05:26:14 UTC


2018-07-14 05:26:23 UTC

even then im skeptical

2018-07-14 05:27:06 UTC

Though understand here. People compare right wing here to US right wing

2018-07-14 05:27:29 UTC

So they assume the US is full of relligious fundamentalists that think LGBT is sinful but are okay with cousin marriage and child brides.

2018-07-14 05:27:31 UTC

alot of people compare to us

2018-07-14 05:28:04 UTC

its weird cause they often misinterpret

2018-07-14 05:28:08 UTC

What they dont realize, that the US has progressed so much, that Malaysia's liberal and progressive party is the right wing in the US

2018-07-14 05:28:21 UTC

Is closer to the right wing in the US i mean

2018-07-14 05:29:40 UTC

yea just one of the reasons i try not to use left-right cause other countries have differences

2018-07-14 05:30:01 UTC

And well, I tend to say left and right in regards to the US unless specified otherwise

2018-07-14 05:30:09 UTC

authoritarian vs libertarian is the more important axis anyways

2018-07-14 05:30:31 UTC


2018-07-14 05:31:18 UTC

And dosent help that the current US left candidates are authoritharian, but somehow, the right wing is very libertarian for some reason.

2018-07-14 05:31:23 UTC

At least according to ISideWith

2018-07-14 05:32:09 UTC

varies per candidate imo

2018-07-14 05:32:40 UTC

they're both moderate authoritarian parties, but at the moment the right is less authoritarian than the left

2018-07-14 05:32:55 UTC

The most authoritharian is Pence.

2018-07-14 05:33:03 UTC

ANd hes leaning libertarian as well

2018-07-14 05:33:12 UTC

probably because trump is in charge and he's more interested in getting us a wall than any other changes he might want

2018-07-14 05:33:36 UTC

Actually, Trumps closest to center I check

2018-07-14 05:33:42 UTC

Pence is the most conservative

2018-07-14 05:33:52 UTC

But Trump is the most centrist.

2018-07-14 05:33:59 UTC

Trump has his own quadrant. haha

2018-07-14 05:34:04 UTC

According to the site at least.

2018-07-14 05:34:09 UTC

It floats around.

2018-07-14 05:34:20 UTC

Populism is right or left wing again?

2018-07-14 05:34:38 UTC

It depends on the policy.

2018-07-14 05:34:53 UTC

So more accurate to say neither

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2018-07-14 05:35:39 UTC

populism is dependent on public demand

2018-07-14 06:07:24 UTC

Bernie and Trump both campaigned as a populist

2018-07-14 06:08:14 UTC

Populism can be either Left or Right. It's based on passion and not policy.

2018-07-14 06:08:28 UTC


2018-07-14 06:09:21 UTC

Usually, popularist candidates gain power when people are dissatisfied with the current political order

2018-07-14 06:09:35 UTC

That basically the U.S. lol

2018-07-14 06:09:42 UTC

Pretty much

2018-07-14 06:13:01 UTC

Gaius Julius Ceasar was a member of the populares

2018-07-14 06:13:20 UTC

His death was very unpopular with the common folk

2018-07-14 06:16:32 UTC

Just gonna lay it out there. I WILL find every opportunity to add a historical comment to every conversation

2018-07-14 06:23:22 UTC

History repeats itself

2018-07-14 06:24:38 UTC

Pretty much

2018-07-14 06:28:16 UTC

The roman civil war that resulted in the dissolution of the republic and the formation of the empire, began with the normalization of political assassinations following the killings of the gracchi brothers.

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2018-07-14 06:28:50 UTC

Calling it now, a US politician will get assassinated and the MSM will be cool about it

2018-07-14 06:28:57 UTC

That will lead to civil war

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2018-07-14 06:29:29 UTC

Do debates about firearms go in <#463068752725016579> or <#467577750325297162>? Just curious.

2018-07-14 06:29:48 UTC

I didnt know we had a firearms chat

2018-07-14 06:30:02 UTC

I think it's new.

2018-07-14 06:30:09 UTC

I say it should go to debate chnnel

2018-07-14 06:30:25 UTC

I broke it in a bit.

2018-07-14 06:30:27 UTC

Firearms chat should be about talking how cool guns are

2018-07-14 06:31:02 UTC

How about dem mauser am I right

2018-07-14 06:35:47 UTC

I was watching about how the boers loved mausers so much

2018-07-14 07:14:20 UTC

do the dance

2018-07-14 07:33:52 UTC

The safety dance?

2018-07-14 07:42:28 UTC

sure why not

2018-07-14 07:42:35 UTC

make ends meet

2018-07-14 08:55:47 UTC

But I feel stupid when I'm dancing:

2018-07-14 09:32:25 UTC

Dancing is gay

2018-07-14 09:32:38 UTC

Change my mind

2018-07-14 09:41:08 UTC


2018-07-14 09:44:14 UTC

Its always been, but that should not mean you dont do your best to eliminate politics from your results

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2018-07-14 11:02:27 UTC

Which is worse CNN or Fox News

2018-07-14 11:07:08 UTC


2018-07-14 11:18:33 UTC

If you asked me when I was 13, FOX

2018-07-14 11:18:40 UTC

If you ask me now, CNN

2018-07-14 11:19:11 UTC

Cause news was all bad when I was 13. I remember when FOX was the whole "games turn kids into murderers"

2018-07-14 11:19:21 UTC

Now its CNN and "Games turn people sexist"

2018-07-14 11:30:52 UTC

Now, it's Games without Frontiers.

2018-07-14 11:35:45 UTC

CNN is also "games turn people violent" now too

2018-07-14 11:38:46 UTC

I miss when it was just atheists versus Christians

2018-07-14 11:39:01 UTC

Everything was so simple

2018-07-14 11:39:34 UTC

I don't get into religion because it's actually a pretty complex debate.

2018-07-14 11:45:20 UTC

Now it's Progressive Christians versus Evangelical Christians and Athiests versus New Athiests.

2018-07-14 11:51:58 UTC

Atheists vs Atheism+

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But that was finished long ago

2018-07-14 11:52:17 UTC

Atheism+ won

2018-07-14 11:53:24 UTC

This dude is leaving the same reply under every top comment in the latest thinkery video. It's hilarious.




2018-07-14 11:53:59 UTC

They guy who cried socialist

2018-07-14 12:01:17 UTC

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