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2018-09-24 06:08:19 UTC

and also all the pesticides

2018-09-24 06:09:00 UTC

@Abel <#463059337162653716>

2018-09-24 06:09:13 UTC

the bowl of water under a light doesn't do much

2018-09-24 06:09:34 UTC

That's good to know. What about vinegar?

2018-09-24 06:10:16 UTC

idk, didn't have the fleas here, but visited my parents when they had a problem

2018-09-24 06:10:30 UTC

my sister + outdoor cats

2018-09-24 06:10:47 UTC

it's easier to deal with if the animals are outside

2018-09-24 06:10:57 UTC

Ah, damn. Yea, having outdoor cats bringing back fleas would suck.

2018-09-24 06:11:32 UTC

one thing to know is that the eggs can keep hatching for months, but you can mostly get them with the vacuum

2018-09-24 06:12:16 UTC

isk about all flea types, but the ones that like cats actually need to feed on a cat on order to lay eggs

2018-09-24 06:12:36 UTC

so if they're cut off from their food source, it's easier to get rid of them

2018-09-24 06:13:10 UTC

That's going to be hard. We have, um, 7 cats? I think it's 7 now.

2018-09-24 06:13:25 UTC

wow

2018-09-24 06:14:06 UTC

the flea drops would probably be your best bet, but they're pricy

2018-09-24 06:14:53 UTC

flea baths did help with the outdoor cats, but idk how often you have to do that

2018-09-24 06:14:55 UTC

We put Frontline on all of the cats. Got a bunch of spray cans of Pet Armor for the rugs and furinature. Then there's the washing of all the blankets and stuff.

2018-09-24 06:16:25 UTC

Oh, and combing the fleas off with a flea comb and putting them into soapy water to kill them.

2018-09-24 06:16:28 UTC

I've heard good stuff about diatomaceous earth, but never tried it

2018-09-24 06:17:08 UTC

I read some on that but from what I read you had to leave the room empty for a few days. Not really practical around here.

2018-09-24 06:17:28 UTC

it's possible you can have technically solved the problem, but still have hatching eggs

2018-09-24 06:18:26 UTC

The flea spray claims that it gets eggs, too.

2018-09-24 06:18:50 UTC

So in the coming week we'll have to do another spray down of the house as much as possible.

2018-09-24 06:19:30 UTC

vacuum is the best for eggs; they just fall off of pets and lay on top of the floor

2018-09-24 06:20:42 UTC

Good to know. Always more of that to do.

2018-09-24 06:21:06 UTC

good luck, bug infestations are the worst

2018-09-24 06:21:21 UTC

You're damn right.

2018-09-24 06:22:45 UTC

had a pantry pest problem a couple moves ago; it was about a year before I bought flour again

2018-09-24 06:26:41 UTC

Never had to deal with any of that. Worst was moths back when we had a dog. We opened a box of milk bones and they came flying out by the dozens. I think we were still finding and kill them weeks later.

2018-09-24 06:27:42 UTC

yikes

2018-09-24 06:29:26 UTC

these were tiny flightless beetles, found my stash of cocoa in the summer and had a grand time

2018-09-24 06:30:07 UTC

didn't notice until we got home from a trip and had left the ac turned down

2018-09-24 06:30:29 UTC

bugs hate cold, btw, that helps slow 'em down

2018-09-24 06:37:03 UTC

Too bad it's just getting to be fall here. If it was winter maybe we could leave the windows open for a few hours, turn off the heat, and freeze'em.

2018-09-24 06:37:17 UTC

But I'm out for the night. Take it easy and thanks for the tips.

2018-09-24 06:46:40 UTC

night, and np, hope it helps

2018-09-24 06:47:08 UTC
2018-09-24 06:51:02 UTC

@Risotto as a 30 year old (temporary) NEET i take offense to that

2018-09-24 06:51:24 UTC

Sorry

2018-09-24 06:51:25 UTC

i was working but all depressed and emo looking when i was 20, i haven't gained any weight and know far more about taking care of myself

2018-09-24 06:51:31 UTC

no idc lol

2018-09-24 06:51:42 UTC

It was too generalizing

2018-09-24 06:51:49 UTC

I'mma NEET too

2018-09-24 06:51:55 UTC

So I'm not judging

2018-09-24 06:53:56 UTC

I'm judging

2018-09-24 06:54:05 UTC

Get a job ya lazy fucks

2018-09-24 06:54:33 UTC

easy to say if you haven't been through major depression

2018-09-24 06:54:53 UTC

I'm joking, don't take it too seriously.

2018-09-24 06:55:09 UTC

i am not πŸ‘Œ

2018-09-24 06:55:37 UTC

embodying stuff like get a job hippy honestly gets me out doing things, just hard to hold enough together to always embody that

2018-09-24 06:55:53 UTC

weeee rollercoaster

2018-09-24 06:56:16 UTC

@Ottobon Why does yo avater have a hat?

2018-09-24 06:56:54 UTC

because hes in the wastes

2018-09-24 06:57:08 UTC

Fallout

2018-09-24 06:57:50 UTC

I need to do some fallout NV hardcore some day.

2018-09-24 06:58:13 UTC

me too actually haven't played through enough of it, but the lore gets me

2018-09-24 06:58:30 UTC

I should find something to do with my time that makes money but isn't a job, like my dad brewing beer

2018-09-24 06:59:02 UTC

I'll sell his beer for cryptocurrency so neither of us have to report

2018-09-24 07:00:16 UTC

thats the thing that bugs me, i don't have a 401k so ill probably need to work till im ancient, so gotta find something reasonably decent, atleast not totally soul crushing lol

2018-09-24 07:00:39 UTC

I'm doing a internship for a content writing job. It's pretty fun

2018-09-24 07:02:20 UTC

One thing that seems smart is listening to books while doing menial jobs

2018-09-24 07:02:57 UTC

I listen to this guy on youtube while doing menial stuff like cleaning, Tim Pool he has some good stuff.

2018-09-24 07:11:49 UTC

A quick word of advice, concerning bomb threats and evacuation. You don't evacuate people. You evacuate buildings. If the people evacuate, you may have to call hazmat in addition.

2018-09-24 07:12:08 UTC

(read one of Tim's tweets)

2018-09-24 07:12:42 UTC

this community and other similar ones are good entertainment, but i think it would be helpful to just read more academic written books and getting a better grasp on things

2018-09-24 07:13:42 UTC

I do that too, I was just kissing arse.

2018-09-24 07:15:14 UTC

Well..depending on the severity of the threat, the people evacuate..then the building gets evacuated.

2018-09-24 07:15:56 UTC

yo speaking of books

2018-09-24 07:16:23 UTC

anybody read anything that helps with the art of storytelling

2018-09-24 07:18:53 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/493682723760766977/Screenshot_20180924-021429_1.jpg

2018-09-24 07:19:31 UTC

Yeah I knew about that tweet, and it is a good joke.

2018-09-24 07:20:02 UTC

took me a moment to add two and two with it, but I snickered.

2018-09-24 07:20:46 UTC

It's an archaic use of the word, but...

2018-09-24 07:21:12 UTC

but it is a poop joke, and you can't go wrong with a good poop joke

2018-09-24 07:23:07 UTC

Subtle poop jokes are best.

2018-09-24 07:24:04 UTC

Note though that I highlighted the tweet in brown.

2018-09-24 07:25:15 UTC

Not surprised. He's getting the full Roy Moore treatment.

2018-09-24 07:25:40 UTC

Since anyone can demand FBI investigations, I'd like to demand that the FBI investigate a pair of stolen RayBans that I really want back. The lens were prescription. Very costly.

2018-09-24 07:25:53 UTC

Not surprised at all..so uhh whatever happened to Roy Moore and those accusations?

2018-09-24 07:26:30 UTC

The accusations weren't a legal matter.

2018-09-24 07:26:38 UTC

They served their purposes.

2018-09-24 07:27:00 UTC

huh, funny how that worked. I wonder if they are trying that playbook again since it worked the first time.

2018-09-24 07:27:46 UTC

(of course..I am partly convinced that President Trump doesn't really care if Kavanaugh gets through, he just threw someone out into the meat grinder because the Democrats are crazy and would cause a scene no matter who he put up)

2018-09-24 07:28:28 UTC

I like this new standard of proof: Demand that the FBI do something that the FBI doesn't do and when they do not, insist that it's a conspiracy.

2018-09-24 07:28:46 UTC

It's a good tactic.

2018-09-24 07:30:13 UTC

yeah, because the MSM will never say that the FBI doesn't do that. Instead they'll give air time to politicians who will insist that the FBI not doing it proves what the FBI would find if Trump didn't stop them.

2018-09-24 07:30:17 UTC

It's particularly funny how they waited the way they did.

2018-09-24 07:32:34 UTC

Oh it is a wonderful strategy, If the M5M and the Democrats weren't freaking crazy the past 2 years..it would work wonderfully

2018-09-24 07:35:31 UTC

wtf

2018-09-24 07:42:37 UTC

The world keeps getting more insane.

2018-09-24 07:43:22 UTC

maybe reasonable question

2018-09-24 07:43:33 UTC

what was the last point in history its been like this, if there ever was one?

2018-09-24 07:43:39 UTC

like late 60s maybe?

2018-09-24 07:43:51 UTC

just very different groups fighting for different things in different ways

2018-09-24 07:45:21 UTC

Is this meant to be an epic burn or something? There's no way he can be serious

2018-09-24 07:48:07 UTC

Well in 1972 we had over 1900 domestic bombings in the US, mostly by far left terrorist groups, but maybe they only did that because they didn't have twitter.

2018-09-24 07:57:00 UTC

Though the Oklahoma City Bomber really stepped up the game for right-wing bombings...

2018-09-24 07:59:34 UTC

spooks me that radicals got normalized in colleges

2018-09-24 08:41:31 UTC

They count the bombings as far right for some reason

2018-09-24 08:41:44 UTC

Like the ones targeted at those "abortion centers"

2018-09-24 09:33:59 UTC

radicals always get normalized in college,

because college is for exploring ideas regardless of if they work. AND college is full of young impressionable people who believe their teachers are all the masters who part their knowledge with them,

2018-09-24 09:35:15 UTC

So you get people told to think about supposed "Great ideas" like socialism, and methods of "Planning" society etc, and theres no wrong answers

Hence you get ideas that sound great, but are unable to work in reality

2018-09-24 09:36:30 UTC

-A society where theres no government, and everyone does what they want for work, they share and are all equal, and everyone can live and enjoy themselves

-A society where theres no government, and people can become succesful and powerful by their own work, if they're smart enough they can make it happen!

etc

2018-09-24 09:36:34 UTC

"Ideas that sound great"
Top communist propaganda kek

2018-09-24 09:36:42 UTC

College is about exploring ideas...? Huh?

2018-09-24 09:37:16 UTC

@Jasse Thats what they sell it under πŸ˜„

but in Reality, it doesn't work, its tried, tested and failed every time

2018-09-24 09:38:10 UTC

and yes Paradox, its about exploring ideas without it having a chance to fail

ofc nowadays its also a risk if you just have the wrong ideas to explore, thats baaaaaad πŸ˜›

2018-09-24 09:47:45 UTC

@Ottobon According to Haidt, it was exactly like this in the 70s

2018-09-24 09:48:08 UTC

Except the colleges were way worse

2018-09-24 09:52:12 UTC

The problem is only specific ideas are explored

2018-09-24 09:52:49 UTC

and some are actively lied about

2018-09-24 10:44:43 UTC

Don't forget that the MSM is considering Avenatti to be a potential Democrat candidate in 2020

2018-09-24 10:50:49 UTC

2018

2018-09-24 10:51:04 UTC

Fighting terrorism with the right words

2018-09-24 10:51:08 UTC

☝

2018-09-24 10:53:06 UTC

The word β€œcaliphate” gives false legitimacy as it is not a state, and should be replaced with β€œDaesh-held territory” it advises. It also warns care over using words such as β€œjihad”, β€œjihadi”, and β€œjihadi bride” which often ignore the complex religious meanings of jihad. β€œIf reporting insists on its usage, ensure it is distinguished as β€˜violent jihad’,” it states.

2018-09-24 10:53:25 UTC

Tfw not participating in non violent jihad

2018-09-24 10:53:29 UTC

πŸ˜„

2018-09-24 10:53:52 UTC

Thats like the alt rights non violent ethnic cleansing meme

2018-09-24 10:55:07 UTC

This is such a postmodernish aproach

2018-09-24 10:55:10 UTC

Yikes

2018-09-24 11:02:49 UTC

🀦

2018-09-24 11:15:06 UTC

well, thing is, if we don't do something now, we loose our chance for a non violent approach

2018-09-24 11:16:21 UTC

considering jihadists want us all dead, we're already past that point

2018-09-24 11:16:37 UTC

now now Zutt, I like Daesh Held Territory..only because it reminds me of the Kurdish song that made fun of ISIS

2018-09-24 11:16:51 UTC

@Dr.Wol they don't kill us (yet), so there is still hope

2018-09-24 11:16:54 UTC

we could deport them

2018-09-24 11:17:14 UTC

something something Trucks of peace

2018-09-24 11:17:58 UTC

True and its happening on a regular basis every couple of weeks or months. But it is still possible to round them up, put them in a C130 and bring them over to where they came from

2018-09-24 11:19:20 UTC

possible, sure

Will it be done, the past has a poor track record in Europe

2018-09-24 11:19:55 UTC

No, because our politicians are in female-mother mode, who are protecting foreign people more than the indiginous people

2018-09-24 11:20:31 UTC

that too

2018-09-24 11:21:01 UTC

When they tell the population "this is not a time for hate, we must not be racist", after some migrants kill an indiginous person, things are totally fucked up

2018-09-24 11:21:24 UTC

but in Europe there have been many-a cases where they declared some people are set for deportation, and then pardonned them say "Well, they've been here for 4-5 years, they're slowly integrating and learning the language, so lets just keep them here"

2018-09-24 11:22:11 UTC

i agree with u guys, but... i think its the wrong way to approach these issues (when talking to people you or i would dissagree with, i mean)
i am interested in how this could work, hypothetically,
so muslims in the west, how should they act? how should they adapt to the culture? should they adapt? why? why not?
there are some things in islamic culture that are opposed to values in the western culture, like the praying, and the views on women and minorities, and well... enlightenment values really, seperating religion from state, respecting other religions worldviews etc...

2018-09-24 11:23:00 UTC

Aghost have you heard the old saying ?

2018-09-24 11:23:24 UTC

```there are some things in islamic culture that are opposed to values in the western culture, ```
No, its everything!
There is no common ground with Muslims. THAT is the Problem.

2018-09-24 11:23:24 UTC

When in Rome ......

2018-09-24 11:23:50 UTC

Act as the Romans do

2018-09-24 11:23:58 UTC

@Aghost You agree that Rape is a very very bad thing and should be punished, right?

2018-09-24 11:24:53 UTC

The thing is most of moslims i know are well adapted

2018-09-24 11:25:07 UTC

But you need to clamp down on the extremists

2018-09-24 11:25:12 UTC

Or it spreads

2018-09-24 11:25:24 UTC

As it is spreading rn

2018-09-24 11:25:36 UTC

@Stefan Payne yeah, i already told you, i agree with u guys' position :P

2018-09-24 11:25:50 UTC

```The thing is most of moslims i know are well adapted```
Then they are hypocrites and not real muslims.

2018-09-24 11:26:03 UTC

Yep

2018-09-24 11:26:06 UTC

in english: Should be Converted to Christianity as the true religion.

2018-09-24 11:26:11 UTC

As are the Christians

2018-09-24 11:26:13 UTC

they see islamic law above the law of their "host" country lets say

2018-09-24 11:26:43 UTC

The issue is generalisation,

Theres plenty that are well adjusted, but those reject muslim culture and the quran in big pieces

And those are used as an example of why we should just let the dangerous ones walk free cuz "See its not their religion"

completely ignoring that those people abandoned large chunks of their religion

2018-09-24 11:26:52 UTC

Most ppl arent fundamentalist believers

2018-09-24 11:27:13 UTC

Yep doc

2018-09-24 11:27:24 UTC

Its the extremists we need to stop

2018-09-24 11:27:36 UTC

```The issue is generalisation,```
No, the issue is peer preassure from the Community.
Especially for Muslims.

2018-09-24 11:27:41 UTC

Also the fact that moderate ones are excusing the extremists

2018-09-24 11:27:41 UTC

what about the idea that islam should split off ? like... european islam? (enlightened islam)
personally i dont think its going to work, and personally i think they should do this outside of europe xD
haha, but people that arent aware of the dangers of islam, think that the "radical" muslims are radical, cuz of racism or some other nebulous hard to check thing xD

2018-09-24 11:27:48 UTC

Is not helping

2018-09-24 11:28:11 UTC

Exactly stefan

2018-09-24 11:28:15 UTC

@Stefan Payne thats the inner issue,

But society deems this okay, cuz "Look, this family of muslims living in a christian only community changed, so its possible"

2018-09-24 11:28:34 UTC

Islam is a cancer

2018-09-24 11:28:38 UTC

Change my mind

2018-09-24 11:28:57 UTC

for me to change your mind would be to try and get you to ignore reality? πŸ˜›

2018-09-24 11:29:13 UTC

No reality sorcery allowed.

2018-09-24 11:29:37 UTC

Strictly going off the book they follow

2018-09-24 11:29:51 UTC

```Also the fact that moderate ones are excusing the extremists```
They can't, as that would show them to be false muslims and be killed.
That is the Problem with that shit, that nobody in politics is really informed about the issue and has read the qua'ran...

2018-09-24 11:30:46 UTC

@Mayor going purely by the book would make Exterminatus Protocols on them acceptable

2018-09-24 11:30:57 UTC

Genocide is ok -

2018-09-24 11:31:00 UTC

muslims

2018-09-24 11:31:21 UTC

<:chael:319116001092567041>

2018-09-24 11:31:23 UTC

theres a category of muslims that i can talk to easily, and agree with on a lot of issues, but they are hard to find, and usually are politically incorrect
they understand that demography is destiny, and the ones that i talked to are for reduced immigration from muslim countries.
But these would probably be the first targets for extremists to shut down their speech if the muslim mob becomes big enough

2018-09-24 11:31:27 UTC

Yes, that is what the Koran propagates - Genocide based on religion.

2018-09-24 11:31:37 UTC

R e P oR T eD

2018-09-24 11:31:50 UTC

@Aghost Yes, Islam needs a reformation. Christianity had one however Islam never really had the chance to hash out its issues.

2018-09-24 11:32:03 UTC

Religion or lack of religion πŸ˜„

2018-09-24 11:32:12 UTC

how can they? they kill anyone who wants to try and hash it out

2018-09-24 11:32:24 UTC

The West sorta..just..put insane madmen in control of the region for near a century and kept Islam from advancing into the 20th century.

2018-09-24 11:32:34 UTC

@Aghost Yesh, there are some, those are not bound by faith and more in the Agnostic religion. And that is why we should help them to convert to Christianity and expell anyone who makes death threats against those people.

2018-09-24 11:33:02 UTC

That there are people who speak out against Islam, who have to live in a secret place under constant protection is just wrong.

2018-09-24 11:33:28 UTC

yeah, its very weird that its happening in the west

2018-09-24 11:33:29 UTC

"Insane madmen",

I rather see people like Assad and Sadam in charge there than the current people

Your argument makes no sense at all

2018-09-24 11:34:21 UTC

muslims get a pass when rioting and terrorizing neighborhoods... in my country, they sometimes refuse to shut down mosques where extremist activity has been happening, but the worst thing is, you hardly ever hear about it on the news :S

2018-09-24 11:34:27 UTC

instead of Peace and killing opposition,

Its not Warfare and killing opposition over there

Those dictators are horrible, but atleast they keep order, because power is all that matters in those regions

2018-09-24 11:34:56 UTC

Muslims are voters, and media listens to the people collecting those votes (the government)

2018-09-24 11:35:02 UTC

Dr. Wol - I would like to see the Iraqi Kurds in charge..because they are the only ones who actually adopted rationality and western values.

2018-09-24 11:36:09 UTC

So would i, but the people there aren't used to western values, so to stop them from seeing "Freedom!" as a right to kill people who aren't as radical as you, you have to keep them under control by force, which means taking that freedom away

2018-09-24 11:36:35 UTC

Menawhile on youtube

2018-09-24 11:36:36 UTC

And..you really can't force that people.

2018-09-24 11:36:43 UTC

Seen it

2018-09-24 11:36:50 UTC

Cant believe they let it there loo

2018-09-24 11:37:16 UTC

We live in the best timeline

2018-09-24 11:37:16 UTC

I thought Lenin was spelled with 1 n in the middle

2018-09-24 11:37:20 UTC

yeah that scares me a bit, some leftists (the more extreme ones), are for muslim immigration (that usually have high birthrates), but hate having kids themselves...
like.. are they really that confident in the idea that these muslims will become "westerners" in a couple of generations? :S i dont understand

2018-09-24 11:37:29 UTC

It is

2018-09-24 11:37:37 UTC

It's some other person named Lennin

2018-09-24 11:37:47 UTC

oh xD

2018-09-24 11:38:04 UTC

i thought it was literally just comparing their names, like how Trump is called hitler etc

2018-09-24 11:38:09 UTC

that you have a right-winger vs a communist

2018-09-24 11:38:24 UTC

So

2018-09-24 11:38:33 UTC

can we discuss the fact that somebody named their kid hitler?

2018-09-24 11:38:36 UTC

So business as usual in the media?

2018-09-24 11:38:40 UTC

This is also true

2018-09-24 11:39:02 UTC

Like..that had to be uncomfortable in school

2018-09-24 11:39:11 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/493748229637144579/image0.jpg

2018-09-24 11:39:13 UTC

@Aghost
These are people so isolated from "Harsh reality" that they don't even understand how someone could be hateful for others being who they are

Its like those bikers who went on a bike ride through Syria, got caught by ISIS and beheaded

2018-09-24 11:39:30 UTC

I thought that got debunked

2018-09-24 11:39:35 UTC

Or was that another story

2018-09-24 11:39:45 UTC

<:TimThink:482277772497125378>

2018-09-24 11:40:17 UTC

I dunno i haven't heard any update on the headless bicyclists

2018-09-24 11:40:21 UTC

Tim reported on a story and then said it was fake news

2018-09-24 11:40:27 UTC

Which one was that

2018-09-24 11:40:51 UTC

That report claiming he's Alt-right and talking with people like warski

2018-09-24 11:40:57 UTC

cuz they were at the same convention once or something

2018-09-24 11:41:06 UTC

BIG THINK

2018-09-24 11:41:31 UTC

@Dr.Wol oh yeah
i think thats the core issue that you just touched upon, there is a large group of people in the west like that

2018-09-24 11:42:04 UTC

"what do you mean? why would other people come here and do bad things?"

2018-09-24 11:42:18 UTC

"they are only violent because they are oppressed"

2018-09-24 11:42:24 UTC

or something

2018-09-24 11:42:41 UTC

https://youtu.be/lvg7lRsCVJ8?t=9s

this was already a mindset little over 35 years ago

2018-09-24 11:43:11 UTC

"If we only avoid direct confrontation, they'll forget their evil ways and learn to love us"

2018-09-24 11:43:38 UTC

and all who oppose it are called Warmongers (or Fascists in todays case)

2018-09-24 11:44:08 UTC

hmm interesting

2018-09-24 11:45:29 UTC

"A nation that prefers disgrace to danger, is prepared for a master, and deserves one"

Does that remind you guys of anything? Something about people being scared of being politically incorrect?
Having to eternally apologise without ever being truely forgiven?

2018-09-24 11:46:00 UTC

i wonder what the root cause of the spreading of that idea is, like... people think the 70 years of "peace" in europe (after ww2) was a great thing, and i agree, peace is great, but it also made people a bit... docile or something

2018-09-24 11:46:03 UTC

Giving in, because they're scared of being branded racist

2018-09-24 11:46:18 UTC

Its success that causes this

2018-09-24 11:46:36 UTC

People no longer understand how hard the struggle for life is in the west

2018-09-24 11:47:28 UTC

I think it is a good many causes

2018-09-24 11:47:33 UTC

You work behind a desk for 8 hours, have the choice of food you want 3x per day, If its too hot in the summer theres Air conditioning, if its too cold in the winter, theres heating.

2018-09-24 11:47:47 UTC

for a while, there was no real racial tension, people were happy, people were prosperous

2018-09-24 11:48:01 UTC

Fear of dying became an all time low

2018-09-24 11:48:46 UTC

So people started thinking "well, I'M doing fine, but theres still OTHERS out there that need help, And rich people being so rich they don't need all that money, cuz I don't need it for MY life, so they're mean and don't wanna share!"

2018-09-24 11:49:46 UTC

Achieving success is no longer a goal, because people can live a succesful life 90% of the time in the west

2018-09-24 11:51:39 UTC

Its that for everything,

divorces are cuz people are no longer willing to sacrifice,
Cuz you can just find someone else.

Who cares if she doesn't wanna sleep with you, you can just find some tramp who will

2018-09-24 11:51:59 UTC

Well that depends on how success is measured, one of the major problems we have in the West in regards to debt and happiness is that Success is defined as "own specific things" vs "Live comfortably while doing things you enjoy"

2018-09-24 11:52:04 UTC

yeah, i think those are all connected indeed
ive been thinking about that, maybe thats why in some cultures they have/had "warrior" trials, where when a boy would approach "adulthood" or "manhood" they would do a series of trails to prove to the tribe that they where worthy of that.
for example, they would have to survive /endure for x amount of time in a completely dark and enclosed area, i guess to let them feel how it is to be completely isolated from a society, or to stresstest or something.
i think something like this is needed xD but a modern version

2018-09-24 11:52:29 UTC

Exactly Aghost

2018-09-24 11:52:37 UTC

And success is measured in blood, yours or your enemies!

2018-09-24 11:53:11 UTC

sorry warhammer 40k quote :P

Success is its own specific thing, which is that you're running a stable life with what you have / have been given

2018-09-24 11:53:24 UTC

hahah cool, i love warhammer

2018-09-24 11:54:30 UTC

whats it called? like... mandatory army service for 1 year for adults? after they finish school?
there was a name for something like this, i used to hate the concept but i agree with it more and more the older i get

2018-09-24 11:55:04 UTC

a person with Downs syndrome, who can like, work at like Walmart, collecting those carts outside on the parking lot, they have a home, they earn enough to live, and enjoy that they're able to work, and have friends etc

They will never be a Rockefeller, or Bill Gates, or Zuckerberg, but i'd still consider them succesful

2018-09-24 11:56:03 UTC

yeah i agree

2018-09-24 11:57:03 UTC

and Mandatory army service is bad πŸ˜› cuz thats meant to have you as emergency soldiers in case of war

But something like that should be done yeah to teach children the price of success

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