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same depwnds on his subscriber ct tho
he also has other places this streams
ya like ctv
Which stream are you guys talking about?
Yeah I was rounding it off
it's still going up, pretty rapidly
I'm thinking he might peak at 20
I dunno how long it lasts
i think its like an hour and some change
he goea T least an hr iirc
1:20 or 30 or something like that
Lso sorry foe typos. on a treadmill right now
Will sargoy mention Jim
im betting it will be about Sargon's recent visit to the EU parliment
๐คhe will
its kind of a big deal that he did that, even if parliment bascially just ignored them
If he does it'll just make shit worse
lots of ๐ ๐ ๐ก arond the accusation
which is great because I'm loving the dumpster fires
๐ฅ
guam's a lot dustier than I member
what IIIiiis mugclub?
ugh dat short A
newtons cradle
yep
unless he means "executive toys"
oh right that story
the ecosphere
echosphere
fashysphere
so how long until the people on the list start getting the banhammer
i think the littler names will be the ones to watch first
i imagine itll ramp up when midterms.finish
itll bave full news attention then
im thinking itll happen in oct
before the elections
ooo to galavanize the left :0
probably will happen when other things happen to try to hide the bans and act like they had more important things to talk about
swept under the rug
reeeeee
Becca Lewis
I research media manipulation and misinformation at Data & Society. I write about media, technology, and politics.
people will praise thw bans. its dosgusting. if any od this happend in bushII the left would be REEING their voice out
There are too many levels of irony here
ya they had some very interesting job titles at that place
let me see if i can find it again
"Provost for Prosocial Discourse"? xp
ya thats right, they have a director of Media Manipulation
<:TimThink:482277772497125378> <:TimThink:482277772497125378> <:TimThink:482277772497125378> <:TimThink:482277772497125378>
yeah. tim has trouble speaking with leftists too. :(
thats not the one i saw yesterday but i am not seeing the one that really made my jaw drop
Media Manipulation/Platform Accountability Research Lead
ugh. i wish it was an hr talk with Sargon
As in they manipulate the media?
first the took out sen computer ...then not gay jared ....
decent length l. but yeah those are creepy job titles
@โโโ depends on your pol. alignment
As in, they spread misinformation?
thats what i would think of if i had someone tell me they were in the business of media manipulation
oh fuck glenn pecker head
He turned into Guy Fieri
right?
i think he is hoping it will make him look like a "wise old man"
ikr @yvaN_ehT_nioJ i hope he doesnt take us to flavor town
makes him look 2000s af
If you are anti antifa...
Are you just fa? ๐ค
party like its 1999
"If you have to ask..." /s
false. the left would
who's read benito mussolini's 1932 "the doctrine of fascism"?
Give me the tldr
who reads?
its a lot like the european court of human rights articles
is there a videogame about it?
reading ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
na fam ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
its like "hey you can do anything you want! but we will arrest you if you do it..."
jk but seriously. all my reading is mainly MS material
sims might be the videogame version of that book
oh so wait, its like gta5
MS material?
ah, sorry. master's.
they say youre done with scyool after undergrad. Nope!
At least it's not slave's material.
read the UNuniversal human rights articles.... then read the doctrine of fascism ... then read the european court of human rights... and tell me they didnt just rip everything from mussoini
huh
ill add those to my list. <:TimThink:482277772497125378> materials always good.
Mussoloni wanted to restore the old Roman empire so it doesn't surprise me.
so a quote from mussolini (from memory) ... "fascism accepts the individual" ... that would be where the UNs HR ends... it continues... "only in so far as his interests coincide with the states"
also. if they were.blind stinking drunk how couls they manage to pin her down??
now lemme copy the ECHR article on freedom...
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right
shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart
information and ideas without interference by public authority
and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States
from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema
enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it
duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities,
conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and
are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national
security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention
of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for
the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing
the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for
maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
tldr "we accept your freedom; only in so far as your interests coincide with the states"
btw... UNs version..
Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
see how it just ends at "you have freedom" ๐
It seems like the governments of Europe were all in agreement that authoritarianism works. The only question for the past 100 years was who was going to be in charge.
wait. the un version is the short one??
yeah
UN = freedom of the individual
ECHR = state comes before individual
UN = Freedom of the individual, unless it's offensive
Never forget their letter to Japan
And that they had Saint Anita there talking about how it was violence that people said that she "sucked." Or something like that.
i dont think the UN has anywhere near the amount of influence over a sovereign nation inside it than the EU does
if the EU was like the UN ... brexit would probably not have happened
theyd pull a czech uprising on it
Oh absolutely. I'm glad the UN basically can't do shit
Because their decisions have been awful
Pretty sure Anita didn't actually talk to the real UN, but the UN women's commission
the UN ambassadors for both the UK and US are female
doesnt matter much. ive read mult. places say UN is inundated with socjus and feminist ideology
hearsay though. j couldnt ref anything concrete so take it with a few jars of salt
The Japan thing wasn't Beata Anita
does james damore havea youtube channel
Wasn't that anti-anime/anti-Japan stuff pushed by a major UK paper? The Guardian spring to mind.
As I understand Damore has a channel but it's tiny. <1000 subscribers and basically nothing worth seeing.
I can't find it on Youtube.
But you might do better than me.
I've only seen Damore giving interviews on other people's channels.
Possibly. All I know is that Japan got told to stop making weird porn and the *women* who made it told the UN to get fucked
its been happeni g for years in lead up to 2020
damore is in the AIN study
but hes not a youtuber
At the end of the day, Data and Society just released it's enemies list. And let's face it. Tim's on it. And nothing is really going to get him removed short of becoming a full evangelical SJW. If you read between the lines, it seems Data and Society is more concerned about Social justice and Identity politics than economics or really anything else.
It's literally a heretics list.
the censorship ajd deceny brigades there got Aki Sora canceled years ago ;_;
theyve admitted its false already
And the problem is what to do about it.
so things are moving
I don't know. I don't think truth really matters here.
I've been around some of these types long enough to believe they're going to just make some small revisions that don't matter and keep up the assault.
yeah, its alreadg out. but do we know if npr et al have covered the AIN stuff?
im ootl with normieland
channel started sep 26 2006
Tim please stop giving these Data Society people the benefit of the doubt.
looks like 6 videos with none newer than 6 months. ~8000 views, 200 subscribers.
What Atkins said. We've known what was going to happen ever since Alex Jones.
he links to it from his twitter account
And Alex Jones wasn't just deplatformed by Oliver Darcy.
and was started september 2006
his neutrality is why we like him and you know it ๐
There was an entire organization behind him.
This is not a mistake on their part. It's not a case of them being stupid or ignorant or misinformed. They know that James Damore is basically no one on youtube. They don't care. It's a scary name to lefties and they can draw lines from other names to him. That's all that matters.
And that next organization is probably going to be Data and Society.
It's also a scary name to Google.
It's just about power. Not truth, not genuinely caring about extremism.
Just power.
Who is who they really want to pressure.
everyone really. people fell for the damore = misogynist bigot meme
It's not science, it's not journalism, it's not public service. It's simply a power play and you're on their hit list for a reason.
Along with a whole number of other people.
And distancing yourself is only delaying the inevitable.
They don't care about your denials or disavowals.
There are people to distance from, but at some level, you should atleast be talking with Rogan and Rubin.
And seriously looking into options.
^
They've played this game at the Universities for deacades.
It works. Don't underestimate it.
You should be looking at that list and asking yourself who you're willing to work with and how you can collaborate MORE not less.
And don't play into their hands.
I'm not sure video collaborations really help.
But looking into legal options (a la Prager), and trying to push people to start really fighting back would be a good step.
Hang together or surely you will hang separately.
Collectivism versus individualism be damned. Sometimes you have to fight a common threat.
Individuals banding together isn't collectivism. Where did this meme come from?
Some of the discussions I get here make me wonder.
But I'll leave it there.
But the idea of "common threat" can easily be tossed out by someone just to get you to help them defeat their enemy.
Here we go again...
I think the threat is pretty obvious in this case. Let's not go fighting over abstract nonsense that just distracts from the core issue.
Hold to individualist principles, fight as a group. Not complicated
Easiest thing to rally around is free speech.
Well I think there's something to be said for false targets
People make shit up on the 'net
False targets are for the birds.
I'm just saying that we saw how that "common threat" worked out during WWII.
What have they ever done for us?
And here's where it begins "where did this meme come from"
I'm out.
Fuck you, false targets. Go back where you came from.
Scrib I have a hard time differentiating your thought process from that of the average angry Marxist sometimes
@Timcast if you want to talk strategies and idea, let me know. But this is a real threat and the truth and the specific report doesn't really matter at the end of the day. Even minor capitulations won't save you. We've known this since Alex Jones. It's a witch hunt that wants to expand and censor everyone who doesn't toe the proper (in this case identitarian) line.
And everyone has known it.
The point is that you dont go off half cocked. You act decisively
It's a joke, stupid.
No, you fight half cocked when the threat is half cocked.
Treating false targets like a tribe. It's the most jokey things you could imagine.
>like a tribe
I didn't do this
If you just cede ground, when it's time to get serous you're sitting in the swamp and they're on the hills.
--No, I did that.
You pick battles selectively.
I made the joke.
I'm out.
BE OUT ALREADY GODDAMN
Whatever it is you're talking about
Say "I'm out" once
And then be out.
Don't say it 3 fucking times.
>not frothing at the mouth like an idiot is ceding ground
Man, is this still happening?
Apparently
How do you have the energy to be upset all day, @Scribblehatch ?
Wasnt scrib
oh?
Appraise the situation more accurately.
Speak after, not before.
oh, here we go again.
"Here we go again with the logic and shit"
"Fuckin'... faggoty ass logic."
Is it Redbull?
5 Hour Energy?
My point was super simple
>the left attacks bad targets on bad info on a whim
>we shouldn't do that. We should verify targets and act decisively
Apparently this is ceding ground now?
Super Male Vitality?
suck on my super male vitality
Caveman > SMV
sorry, did somebody do something unwise w.r.t. an unprincipled attack on a left-wing person, @Beemann ?
Water filters > all. Keep the gay frog water away
No, we were talking about combating the left
Ahh, well, I think that's probably the wrong way to look at it.
I said it's not good to go off half cocked
Guys, you can't just rely on physical options like water filters and super male vitality. That's only half the battle. You have to reign in the powers those give you with the Gorilla Mindset
I personally want the left to survive, even if they are responsible for an unruly wave of violence and corruption in the present.
If you don't want to go off half cocked have you considered the use of nuclear weapons against all major population centers?
I didn't say helicopter all lefties either
not a half bad idea.
The left will always survive as long as we have a two party system and the right is still around. The hope is just to boot the crazies out of the left
But there is a need to hit specific targets to undermine the power imbalance
I think media is an own goal. They're wholly dependent on Trump now
But yeah, I've seen more and more people over the last year who want to use the left's tactics against them, and while I think that would work in the short term I fear for what it would bring in the long term. And I'm not willing to give up on my principles like that
The good news is that the legal system is still largely intact, so corruption, violence, and certain forms of misrepresentation can be tried and righted in a court.
Which leaves us with Academia and basically HR
A couple of Project Veritas clones would be great.
(At some monetary cost)
Infiltrate and expose. Make lefties scared of each other.
I think it depends on what it means when you say "the left's tactics"
Tape conversations.
I mean the extremist left. Basically everything we complain about.
I think generally they mean dishonesty, misrepresentation, and possibly violence.
Right, you don't need any of those though
You need examination, application of standards and actual communal support
Lindsay Shepherd was incredibly disruptive from a single ~30 minute taped conversation.
The problem is, those tactics are designed to produce narratives which energize the left in particular.
And yeah, record all your shit
recording your shit is not a partisan issue, it's a matter of basic prudence.
Sure, but it disproportionately hits the far left
If it is legal for you to record your conversations (which is unfortunately not the case in many places), then you should do it.
Particularly in institutions they depend on
it is so cheap these days
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