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2018-09-21 00:34:37 UTC

same depwnds on his subscriber ct tho

2018-09-21 00:34:38 UTC

he also has other places this streams

2018-09-21 00:34:48 UTC

ya like ctv

2018-09-21 00:34:54 UTC

Which stream are you guys talking about?

2018-09-21 00:34:59 UTC

Yeah I was rounding it off

2018-09-21 00:35:24 UTC

it's still going up, pretty rapidly

2018-09-21 00:35:33 UTC

I'm thinking he might peak at 20

2018-09-21 00:35:45 UTC

I dunno how long it lasts

2018-09-21 00:36:04 UTC

i think its like an hour and some change

2018-09-21 00:36:11 UTC

he goea T least an hr iirc

2018-09-21 00:36:13 UTC

1:20 or 30 or something like that

2018-09-21 00:36:34 UTC

Lso sorry foe typos. on a treadmill right now

2018-09-21 00:36:35 UTC

Will sargoy mention Jim

2018-09-21 00:37:10 UTC

im betting it will be about Sargon's recent visit to the EU parliment

2018-09-21 00:37:20 UTC

๐Ÿคžhe will

2018-09-21 00:38:00 UTC

its kind of a big deal that he did that, even if parliment bascially just ignored them

2018-09-21 00:39:21 UTC

If he does it'll just make shit worse

2018-09-21 00:39:31 UTC

lots of ๐Ÿ  ๐ŸŸ ๐Ÿก arond the accusation

2018-09-21 00:39:31 UTC

which is great because I'm loving the dumpster fires

2018-09-21 00:39:45 UTC

๐Ÿ”ฅ

2018-09-21 00:41:13 UTC

guam's a lot dustier than I member

2018-09-21 00:41:20 UTC

what IIIiiis mugclub?

2018-09-21 00:42:22 UTC

ugh dat short A

2018-09-21 00:42:43 UTC

newtons cradle

2018-09-21 00:43:17 UTC

yep

2018-09-21 00:43:30 UTC

unless he means "executive toys"

2018-09-21 00:43:39 UTC

oh right that story

2018-09-21 00:44:56 UTC

the ecosphere

2018-09-21 00:45:04 UTC

echosphere

2018-09-21 00:45:16 UTC

fashysphere

2018-09-21 00:46:31 UTC

so how long until the people on the list start getting the banhammer

2018-09-21 00:46:56 UTC

i think the littler names will be the ones to watch first

2018-09-21 00:47:02 UTC

i imagine itll ramp up when midterms.finish

2018-09-21 00:47:17 UTC

itll bave full news attention then

2018-09-21 00:47:19 UTC

im thinking itll happen in oct

2018-09-21 00:47:26 UTC

before the elections

2018-09-21 00:47:44 UTC

ooo to galavanize the left :0

2018-09-21 00:48:14 UTC

probably will happen when other things happen to try to hide the bans and act like they had more important things to talk about

2018-09-21 00:48:28 UTC

swept under the rug

2018-09-21 00:50:13 UTC

reeeeee

2018-09-21 00:50:21 UTC

Becca Lewis
I research media manipulation and misinformation at Data & Society. I write about media, technology, and politics.

2018-09-21 00:50:49 UTC

people will praise thw bans. its dosgusting. if any od this happend in bushII the left would be REEING their voice out

2018-09-21 00:50:55 UTC

There are too many levels of irony here

2018-09-21 00:51:46 UTC

ya they had some very interesting job titles at that place

2018-09-21 00:51:59 UTC

let me see if i can find it again

2018-09-21 00:52:54 UTC

"Provost for Prosocial Discourse"? xp

2018-09-21 00:52:58 UTC

ya thats right, they have a director of Media Manipulation

2018-09-21 00:53:11 UTC

<:TimThink:482277772497125378> <:TimThink:482277772497125378> <:TimThink:482277772497125378> <:TimThink:482277772497125378>

2018-09-21 00:53:46 UTC

yeah. tim has trouble speaking with leftists too. :(

2018-09-21 00:53:58 UTC

thats not the one i saw yesterday but i am not seeing the one that really made my jaw drop

2018-09-21 00:54:22 UTC

Media Manipulation/Platform Accountability Research Lead

2018-09-21 00:54:24 UTC

ugh. i wish it was an hr talk with Sargon

2018-09-21 00:54:59 UTC

As in they manipulate the media?

2018-09-21 00:55:01 UTC

first the took out sen computer ...then not gay jared ....

2018-09-21 00:55:02 UTC

decent length l. but yeah those are creepy job titles

2018-09-21 00:55:23 UTC

@โ™“โ™โ™‹ depends on your pol. alignment

2018-09-21 00:55:23 UTC

As in, they spread misinformation?

2018-09-21 00:56:14 UTC

thats what i would think of if i had someone tell me they were in the business of media manipulation

2018-09-21 00:56:17 UTC

oh fuck glenn pecker head

2018-09-21 00:56:34 UTC

He turned into Guy Fieri

2018-09-21 00:56:39 UTC

right?

2018-09-21 00:57:01 UTC

i think he is hoping it will make him look like a "wise old man"

2018-09-21 00:57:05 UTC

ikr @yvaN_ehT_nioJ i hope he doesnt take us to flavor town

2018-09-21 00:57:39 UTC

makes him look 2000s af

2018-09-21 00:57:39 UTC

If you are anti antifa...

2018-09-21 00:57:48 UTC

Are you just fa? ๐Ÿค”

2018-09-21 00:58:03 UTC

party like its 1999

2018-09-21 00:58:10 UTC

"If you have to ask..." /s

2018-09-21 00:58:28 UTC

false. the left would

2018-09-21 00:58:32 UTC

who's read benito mussolini's 1932 "the doctrine of fascism"?

2018-09-21 00:58:42 UTC

Give me the tldr

2018-09-21 00:58:45 UTC

who reads?

2018-09-21 00:59:07 UTC

its a lot like the european court of human rights articles

2018-09-21 00:59:09 UTC

is there a videogame about it?

2018-09-21 00:59:10 UTC

reading ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚

2018-09-21 00:59:25 UTC

na fam ๐ŸŒ  ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ‘Œ

2018-09-21 00:59:49 UTC

its like "hey you can do anything you want! but we will arrest you if you do it..."

2018-09-21 00:59:50 UTC

jk but seriously. all my reading is mainly MS material

2018-09-21 00:59:51 UTC

sims might be the videogame version of that book

2018-09-21 01:00:06 UTC

oh so wait, its like gta5

2018-09-21 01:00:12 UTC

MS material?

2018-09-21 01:00:21 UTC

ah, sorry. master's.

2018-09-21 01:00:34 UTC

they say youre done with scyool after undergrad. Nope!

2018-09-21 01:00:44 UTC

At least it's not slave's material.

2018-09-21 01:00:51 UTC

read the UNuniversal human rights articles.... then read the doctrine of fascism ... then read the european court of human rights... and tell me they didnt just rip everything from mussoini

2018-09-21 01:01:01 UTC

huh

2018-09-21 01:01:40 UTC

ill add those to my list. <:TimThink:482277772497125378> materials always good.

2018-09-21 01:01:59 UTC

Mussoloni wanted to restore the old Roman empire so it doesn't surprise me.

2018-09-21 01:03:46 UTC

so a quote from mussolini (from memory) ... "fascism accepts the individual" ... that would be where the UNs HR ends... it continues... "only in so far as his interests coincide with the states"

2018-09-21 01:04:07 UTC

also. if they were.blind stinking drunk how couls they manage to pin her down??

2018-09-21 01:04:31 UTC

now lemme copy the ECHR article on freedom...

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right
shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart
information and ideas without interference by public authority
and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States
from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema
enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it
duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities,
conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and
are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national
security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention
of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for
the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing
the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for
maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

2018-09-21 01:05:17 UTC

tldr "we accept your freedom; only in so far as your interests coincide with the states"

2018-09-21 01:06:41 UTC

btw... UNs version..
Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

2018-09-21 01:06:52 UTC

see how it just ends at "you have freedom" ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-09-21 01:06:54 UTC

It seems like the governments of Europe were all in agreement that authoritarianism works. The only question for the past 100 years was who was going to be in charge.

2018-09-21 01:07:38 UTC

wait. the un version is the short one??

2018-09-21 01:07:45 UTC

yeah

2018-09-21 01:08:31 UTC

UN = freedom of the individual
ECHR = state comes before individual

2018-09-21 01:10:35 UTC

UN = Freedom of the individual, unless it's offensive
Never forget their letter to Japan

2018-09-21 01:11:40 UTC

And that they had Saint Anita there talking about how it was violence that people said that she "sucked." Or something like that.

2018-09-21 01:11:44 UTC

i dont think the UN has anywhere near the amount of influence over a sovereign nation inside it than the EU does

2018-09-21 01:12:19 UTC

if the EU was like the UN ... brexit would probably not have happened

2018-09-21 01:13:19 UTC

theyd pull a czech uprising on it

2018-09-21 01:14:01 UTC

Oh absolutely. I'm glad the UN basically can't do shit

2018-09-21 01:14:08 UTC

Because their decisions have been awful

2018-09-21 01:14:39 UTC

Pretty sure Anita didn't actually talk to the real UN, but the UN women's commission

2018-09-21 01:15:11 UTC

the UN ambassadors for both the UK and US are female

2018-09-21 01:15:18 UTC

doesnt matter much. ive read mult. places say UN is inundated with socjus and feminist ideology

2018-09-21 01:16:17 UTC

hearsay though. j couldnt ref anything concrete so take it with a few jars of salt

2018-09-21 01:22:39 UTC

The Japan thing wasn't Beata Anita

2018-09-21 01:23:39 UTC

does james damore havea youtube channel

2018-09-21 01:23:46 UTC

Wasn't that anti-anime/anti-Japan stuff pushed by a major UK paper? The Guardian spring to mind.

2018-09-21 01:24:53 UTC

As I understand Damore has a channel but it's tiny. <1000 subscribers and basically nothing worth seeing.

2018-09-21 01:24:58 UTC

I can't find it on Youtube.

2018-09-21 01:25:06 UTC

But you might do better than me.

2018-09-21 01:25:10 UTC

I've only seen Damore giving interviews on other people's channels.

2018-09-21 01:25:53 UTC

Possibly. All I know is that Japan got told to stop making weird porn and the *women* who made it told the UN to get fucked

2018-09-21 01:26:50 UTC

its been happeni g for years in lead up to 2020

2018-09-21 01:27:07 UTC

damore is in the AIN study

2018-09-21 01:27:11 UTC

but hes not a youtuber

2018-09-21 01:27:13 UTC

At the end of the day, Data and Society just released it's enemies list. And let's face it. Tim's on it. And nothing is really going to get him removed short of becoming a full evangelical SJW. If you read between the lines, it seems Data and Society is more concerned about Social justice and Identity politics than economics or really anything else.

It's literally a heretics list.

2018-09-21 01:27:23 UTC

the censorship ajd deceny brigades there got Aki Sora canceled years ago ;_;

2018-09-21 01:27:24 UTC

theyve admitted its false already

2018-09-21 01:27:24 UTC

And the problem is what to do about it.

2018-09-21 01:27:26 UTC

so things are moving

2018-09-21 01:27:38 UTC

I don't know. I don't think truth really matters here.

2018-09-21 01:28:03 UTC

I've been around some of these types long enough to believe they're going to just make some small revisions that don't matter and keep up the assault.

2018-09-21 01:28:08 UTC

yeah, its alreadg out. but do we know if npr et al have covered the AIN stuff?

2018-09-21 01:28:17 UTC

im ootl with normieland

2018-09-21 01:29:04 UTC

channel started sep 26 2006

2018-09-21 01:29:38 UTC

Tim please stop giving these Data Society people the benefit of the doubt.

2018-09-21 01:29:42 UTC

looks like 6 videos with none newer than 6 months. ~8000 views, 200 subscribers.

2018-09-21 01:30:05 UTC

What Atkins said. We've known what was going to happen ever since Alex Jones.

2018-09-21 01:30:06 UTC

he links to it from his twitter account

2018-09-21 01:30:17 UTC

And Alex Jones wasn't just deplatformed by Oliver Darcy.

2018-09-21 01:30:19 UTC

and was started september 2006

2018-09-21 01:30:20 UTC

his neutrality is why we like him and you know it ๐Ÿ˜

2018-09-21 01:30:24 UTC

There was an entire organization behind him.

2018-09-21 01:30:35 UTC

This is not a mistake on their part. It's not a case of them being stupid or ignorant or misinformed. They know that James Damore is basically no one on youtube. They don't care. It's a scary name to lefties and they can draw lines from other names to him. That's all that matters.

2018-09-21 01:30:41 UTC

And that next organization is probably going to be Data and Society.

2018-09-21 01:30:57 UTC

It's also a scary name to Google.

2018-09-21 01:30:58 UTC

It's just about power. Not truth, not genuinely caring about extremism.

2018-09-21 01:31:00 UTC

Just power.

2018-09-21 01:31:03 UTC

Who is who they really want to pressure.

2018-09-21 01:31:20 UTC

everyone really. people fell for the damore = misogynist bigot meme

2018-09-21 01:31:45 UTC

It's not science, it's not journalism, it's not public service. It's simply a power play and you're on their hit list for a reason.

2018-09-21 01:32:02 UTC

Along with a whole number of other people.

2018-09-21 01:32:15 UTC

And distancing yourself is only delaying the inevitable.

2018-09-21 01:32:33 UTC

They don't care about your denials or disavowals.

2018-09-21 01:32:38 UTC

There are people to distance from, but at some level, you should atleast be talking with Rogan and Rubin.

2018-09-21 01:32:46 UTC

And seriously looking into options.

2018-09-21 01:33:03 UTC

^

2018-09-21 01:33:12 UTC

They've played this game at the Universities for deacades.

2018-09-21 01:33:18 UTC

It works. Don't underestimate it.

2018-09-21 01:33:24 UTC

You should be looking at that list and asking yourself who you're willing to work with and how you can collaborate MORE not less.

2018-09-21 01:33:24 UTC

And don't play into their hands.

2018-09-21 01:33:33 UTC

I'm not sure video collaborations really help.

2018-09-21 01:33:57 UTC

But looking into legal options (a la Prager), and trying to push people to start really fighting back would be a good step.

2018-09-21 01:34:02 UTC

Hang together or surely you will hang separately.

2018-09-21 01:34:43 UTC

Collectivism versus individualism be damned. Sometimes you have to fight a common threat.

2018-09-21 01:35:17 UTC

Individuals banding together isn't collectivism. Where did this meme come from?

2018-09-21 01:35:44 UTC

Some of the discussions I get here make me wonder.

2018-09-21 01:35:53 UTC

But I'll leave it there.

2018-09-21 01:36:35 UTC

But the idea of "common threat" can easily be tossed out by someone just to get you to help them defeat their enemy.

2018-09-21 01:36:45 UTC

Here we go again...

2018-09-21 01:37:09 UTC

I think the threat is pretty obvious in this case. Let's not go fighting over abstract nonsense that just distracts from the core issue.

2018-09-21 01:37:15 UTC

Hold to individualist principles, fight as a group. Not complicated

2018-09-21 01:37:23 UTC

Easiest thing to rally around is free speech.

2018-09-21 01:37:24 UTC

Well I think there's something to be said for false targets

2018-09-21 01:37:35 UTC

People make shit up on the 'net

2018-09-21 01:37:39 UTC

False targets are for the birds.

2018-09-21 01:37:42 UTC

I'm just saying that we saw how that "common threat" worked out during WWII.

2018-09-21 01:37:43 UTC

What have they ever done for us?

2018-09-21 01:37:48 UTC

And here's where it begins "where did this meme come from"

2018-09-21 01:37:49 UTC

I'm out.

2018-09-21 01:38:15 UTC

Fuck you, false targets. Go back where you came from.

2018-09-21 01:39:18 UTC

Scrib I have a hard time differentiating your thought process from that of the average angry Marxist sometimes

2018-09-21 01:39:27 UTC

@Timcast if you want to talk strategies and idea, let me know. But this is a real threat and the truth and the specific report doesn't really matter at the end of the day. Even minor capitulations won't save you. We've known this since Alex Jones. It's a witch hunt that wants to expand and censor everyone who doesn't toe the proper (in this case identitarian) line.

2018-09-21 01:39:36 UTC

And everyone has known it.

2018-09-21 01:39:38 UTC

The point is that you dont go off half cocked. You act decisively

2018-09-21 01:39:46 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/492510218132127749/1398160688114.png

2018-09-21 01:39:50 UTC

It's a joke, stupid.

2018-09-21 01:39:54 UTC

No, you fight half cocked when the threat is half cocked.

2018-09-21 01:40:08 UTC

Treating false targets like a tribe. It's the most jokey things you could imagine.

2018-09-21 01:40:15 UTC

>like a tribe

2018-09-21 01:40:18 UTC

I didn't do this

2018-09-21 01:40:19 UTC

If you just cede ground, when it's time to get serous you're sitting in the swamp and they're on the hills.

2018-09-21 01:40:24 UTC

--No, I did that.

2018-09-21 01:40:26 UTC

You pick battles selectively.

2018-09-21 01:40:28 UTC

I made the joke.

2018-09-21 01:40:34 UTC

I'm out.

2018-09-21 01:40:41 UTC

BE OUT ALREADY GODDAMN

2018-09-21 01:40:46 UTC

Whatever it is you're talking about

2018-09-21 01:40:49 UTC

Say "I'm out" once

2018-09-21 01:40:54 UTC

And then be out.

2018-09-21 01:40:59 UTC

Don't say it 3 fucking times.

2018-09-21 01:41:36 UTC

>not frothing at the mouth like an idiot is ceding ground

2018-09-21 01:42:19 UTC

Man, is this still happening?

2018-09-21 01:42:24 UTC

Apparently

2018-09-21 01:42:32 UTC

How do you have the energy to be upset all day, @Scribblehatch ?

2018-09-21 01:42:41 UTC

Wasnt scrib

2018-09-21 01:42:46 UTC

oh?

2018-09-21 01:42:52 UTC

Appraise the situation more accurately.

2018-09-21 01:42:57 UTC

Speak after, not before.

2018-09-21 01:42:59 UTC

oh, here we go again.

2018-09-21 01:43:07 UTC

"Here we go again with the logic and shit"

2018-09-21 01:43:13 UTC

"Fuckin'... faggoty ass logic."

2018-09-21 01:43:15 UTC

Is it Redbull?

2018-09-21 01:43:25 UTC

5 Hour Energy?

2018-09-21 01:43:29 UTC

My point was super simple
>the left attacks bad targets on bad info on a whim
>we shouldn't do that. We should verify targets and act decisively
Apparently this is ceding ground now?

2018-09-21 01:43:35 UTC

Super Male Vitality?

2018-09-21 01:43:48 UTC

suck on my super male vitality

2018-09-21 01:44:11 UTC

Caveman > SMV

2018-09-21 01:44:34 UTC

sorry, did somebody do something unwise w.r.t. an unprincipled attack on a left-wing person, @Beemann ?

2018-09-21 01:44:34 UTC

Water filters > all. Keep the gay frog water away

2018-09-21 01:44:49 UTC

No, we were talking about combating the left

2018-09-21 01:45:03 UTC

Ahh, well, I think that's probably the wrong way to look at it.

2018-09-21 01:45:11 UTC

I said it's not good to go off half cocked

2018-09-21 01:45:35 UTC

Guys, you can't just rely on physical options like water filters and super male vitality. That's only half the battle. You have to reign in the powers those give you with the Gorilla Mindset

2018-09-21 01:45:35 UTC

I personally want the left to survive, even if they are responsible for an unruly wave of violence and corruption in the present.

2018-09-21 01:45:49 UTC

If you don't want to go off half cocked have you considered the use of nuclear weapons against all major population centers?

2018-09-21 01:45:54 UTC

I didn't say helicopter all lefties either

2018-09-21 01:46:07 UTC

@Beemann Now that you mention it...

2018-09-21 01:46:19 UTC

not a half bad idea.

2018-09-21 01:46:22 UTC

The left will always survive as long as we have a two party system and the right is still around. The hope is just to boot the crazies out of the left

2018-09-21 01:46:24 UTC

But there is a need to hit specific targets to undermine the power imbalance

2018-09-21 01:46:59 UTC

I think media is an own goal. They're wholly dependent on Trump now

2018-09-21 01:47:18 UTC

But yeah, I've seen more and more people over the last year who want to use the left's tactics against them, and while I think that would work in the short term I fear for what it would bring in the long term. And I'm not willing to give up on my principles like that

2018-09-21 01:47:23 UTC

The good news is that the legal system is still largely intact, so corruption, violence, and certain forms of misrepresentation can be tried and righted in a court.

2018-09-21 01:47:25 UTC

Which leaves us with Academia and basically HR

2018-09-21 01:47:26 UTC

A couple of Project Veritas clones would be great.

2018-09-21 01:47:38 UTC

(At some monetary cost)

2018-09-21 01:47:44 UTC

Infiltrate and expose. Make lefties scared of each other.

2018-09-21 01:47:47 UTC

I think it depends on what it means when you say "the left's tactics"

2018-09-21 01:48:13 UTC

Tape conversations.

2018-09-21 01:48:19 UTC

I mean the extremist left. Basically everything we complain about.

2018-09-21 01:48:21 UTC

I think generally they mean dishonesty, misrepresentation, and possibly violence.

2018-09-21 01:48:35 UTC

Right, you don't need any of those though

2018-09-21 01:48:50 UTC

You need examination, application of standards and actual communal support

2018-09-21 01:48:50 UTC

Lindsay Shepherd was incredibly disruptive from a single ~30 minute taped conversation.

2018-09-21 01:48:56 UTC

The problem is, those tactics are designed to produce narratives which energize the left in particular.

2018-09-21 01:49:01 UTC

And yeah, record all your shit

2018-09-21 01:49:15 UTC

recording your shit is not a partisan issue, it's a matter of basic prudence.

2018-09-21 01:49:36 UTC

Sure, but it disproportionately hits the far left

2018-09-21 01:49:37 UTC

If it is legal for you to record your conversations (which is unfortunately not the case in many places), then you should do it.

2018-09-21 01:49:55 UTC

Particularly in institutions they depend on

2018-09-21 01:49:57 UTC

it is so cheap these days

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