Russia fears China and doesn't fear United STates.

id be more afraid of china tbh

I think they understand... better the evil they know than the evil they don't know.

China economy is on the brink of collapse.

@Dusty Morgan agreed, Russia could be a good ally if the left would stop trying to demonize them

the Left can't blame anyone else, thats why Russia is the scapegoat

yep

they can't blame china, cuz they're communists 😛

I have a theory that Europe's culture was hurt long term by all the people who valued freedom immigrating to America back in the 18-1900's

lol if russia meddled in the election so did every mainstream news source

cant blame their chinese overlords

or they will get reprogrammed

Europes culture is just suffering cuz our current leadership is incompetent and living in Ivory Towers

@madchatter dint forget two world wars that wiped out tons of men

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

United States is in a good position, China's GDP is on verge of collapse, Russia is slowly repairing economy and aiming to ally with United States, Britain has left EU with Italy and Hungray following soon, EU is collapsing under its stupid policies, and finally peace in Korea Peninsula is slowly making headway.

That is the situation right now.

seems about right yeah

oh don't forget Iran is also abut to collapse

the whole thing with the EU parilaiment being modeled unironically after the tower of babel is just...........................................

but those are all from The Obama Economy^tm. not Orange Man

/s

stop watching Sargon so literally Julz 😛

if china collapses so does the US

XD yeah lol i know its not litteral

nah US is stronk! 😛

Actually the Collapse is due to China's terrible economic policies.

you'll justh ave to give up Iphones and Nike shoes 😉

United States has imported different nation's resources and starting to export more to different nations.

the US and china are two elefants with each a stilt of debt leaning on each other

@JULZIFICATOR brings up a good point though, america would loose its friggin mind if we lost access to cheap chinese goods

we have the porn industry so i think we'll make it

actually most of the US debt is to itself

that was the best analogy ive heard for it

United States is making it so they are less dependent on China and China is hurting because of that.

yes but debt gets sold

and subsidiesed and resold and resold and resold

eventually the bill comes due though

@yvaN_ehT_nioJ yeah, but Russia had a huge number of casualties, and their culture went a different path (they did suffer under communism, though)

China already sold off the debt.

thats why Trump is bringing jerbs back, and making the economy boom,

So when the bill comes, they're the ones that are ahead

had to look it up finally

I think.

from the national debt wiki

"As of December 2017, $6.3 trillion or approximately 45% of the debt held by the public was owned by foreign investors, the largest being China (about $1.18 trillion) then Japan (about $1.06 trillion)"

so still a sizeable chunk, even if they have sold some off

yep indeed

and when you take into account how intertwined their trade still is

zo china had about 1/5 of our debt

even in the era of trump

1/5 is still a LOT

1/5 is hueg

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-chinas-treasury-hoard-isnt-much-of-a-weapon-in-trade-spat-with-us-2018-04-06

like a scary ammount

for a country that was trying to peg their currency to ours for the longest time

i think that part has finally been stopped

pretty sure

OH, didn't expect THAT:
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/972960-linux-without-linus-linus-apologies-and-is-taking-time-off/?page=3&tab=comments#comment-11765997

but still leaves them holding a hell of a bill to call in

Hell Russia done it already and nobody noticed...

https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/30/investing/russia-us-debt-treasury/index.html

People are pissed at SJW it seems.

they really don't like them

ya but russia didnt have anywhere near as much of the debt as china does

Russian holdings were pretty small

from what i understand

now if china did that

we would be in trouble, i think

It would be barely felt... :\

you are crazy

Our economy is growing at a fast pace, consumers confidence is high, and we are starting to create a lot of our products here in United States.

not that much

Most of that debt is OWNed by American corporations located in China.

We are bringing those Corporations back.

i think you really overestimate that growth if you think that growth would balance out china already

in a few years it could be done

probably 5 to 10

relax guys heres what will happen if China goes broke

but we def are Not there yet

We are heading in a positive direction like I said.

apple and nike become useless cuz they can't produce

So they get nationalised as companies

And the US will use that company money to pay the debt

done 😉

The debt that American companies in China that own will come with them to United States.

So really, if you look at the technicals... most of the money is own by American Companies in China.

While maybe 1/4th of that debt is owned by China itself.

i think a lot of that is incorrect, but i have no sources at the moment to back it up

For it to be impactful, they would have to take over United States companies somehow without forfeiting that debt.

its a communist state, dont put that behind them

Venezuela seized companies too

It would make that debt useless.

ya that is what would happen next, the seizures

and we know how that goes

They wouldn't be able to claim it.

Seizing a foreign nation's company and trying to claim that debt makes it invalid.

The debt would be defaulted, leading to United States being free from it.

If China goes bankrupt, they'll need bail-out money from the US which they'll get, in exchange for removing the debts, and adding to the debt China has to the US

which they'll pay off slowly cuz the low economy, causes a boom in industry cuz they're cheap now

investors will flood to China, making it wealthy again, to pay off the US

ima bail out now 😛

i think what doc says makes a bit more sense to play out

Dusty i think you are looking at it from a consumer debt point of view

i dont believe a nations debt works the same

i could be way off

but i do think a trade of canceling debt for relief money is the likely scenerio

or the relief money wil just be the repayment not really a canceling

the question is

do we really have enough to prop up china if we have to?

i think that is a much bigger question

im not so sure we do

oh lord. europe would probably have to chip in too i bet

at the very least

would likely take the whole world chipping in to stop the collapse if it came to that point

Besides I don't think China would sell off debt, even if their economy collapses.

Pegging their Currency to ours aka Debt keeps their currency afloat.

yes

im not 100% sure about this, but didnt trump make a move recently to stop that practice?

i thought i had heard something about that

Sell off that Debt ensures they will have no way to regrow economy.

No he didn't. He did place 200 billion tarrifs on China.

this isn't a topic I know much about, but why would we want to save the oppressive communist government in China?

Anyways AFK.

@madchatter because they own a sizable chunk of our debt, and make all of our cheap items

in a nutshell

those are the 2 biggest reasons for us as americans

it'd be better for them to rebuild as a free country, though

what would we do while we wait for that to happen though

thats at the fastest possible, like a 5 year move

plus, as long as they're communist, they will have increasing problems (housing situation for normal citizens is terrible there)

i had someone the other day try to tell me china didnt count as communist anymore... i was like wait what?

I guess it feels like a dick move to prop up the communist government for our own benefit

ya that is the problem i have always had with out relationship with china to begin with

we like getting the cheap stuff

people are really suffering there, and the usual way communism gets overthrown has been for it to collapse economically

but we just look away at what they are doing

trying to read up on that now, i think i see the arguements why people say they arent

anyways, gotta afk, unfortunately

they own all the land

ya i need some lunch

and im sure my rambling is annoying enough of you by now lol

sick day makes for a good chat day

auch

1.3 trillion is still more than i can find in my couch cushions

just by a little

you know in america we count like dumbasses?

old chart too

2016

a billion is actually a thousand millions

ill bite

a million of a million is a billion

how do we count like dumbasses in america

a billion of a billion is a trillion

way more money than i know what to do with

wow. really puts ir into perspective

1 000 000 million
100 000 000 hundred million

100 000 000 000 hundred thousand millions

1 000 000 000 000 billion

thats the actual decimal system

china owns 1 billion of us debt

only 1 billion?

a real billion

which is a million of a million

Thats like a dollar a chink

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15478580

is spreading out

they are using it to fuck with pppl

so listening to shapiro here, he mentions the polls look bad for the Republicans at the moment. I wonder how many people are not being truthful about who they plan to vote for for fear of reprisal if someone knows they are going to vote republican. Is it possible there is a bit of that out there right now? Honestly curious what everyone thinks here

could we be looking at a situation where the people doing the polling are just cherry picking who to ask possibly?

you know what happened last time polls were really really really bad for republicans?

ya

trump

lol

but, by that is a falacy to asume that it will happen again

when i talk to people around town, granted i have a small view, it seems like a decent number of people want to vote republican that were not going to before

but as we did see last election the polls arent always right

in texas everybody is doing great and want to keep republicans

at least in frisco

ya i wouldnt expect texas to do any different

maby in austin

where california refugees live

you can smell the triggered ppl b4 entering austin

Styx keeps coverage of multiple polls and points out the outliers

would be great if dems fail really bad

im worried that democrats as what they are , are the only thing trying to keep republicans accountable

and what i mean as what they are, a group of corrupted crybaby politicians

they need to fail to build up clean

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336233207269687299/491636872255111168/unknown.png

at jre discord

Jelon Rusk

Mom got on my ass when I commented on the Anderson cooper photo and I thought it was from Florence because I lacked context.

it wasnt

Then all I could think about is that CNN has been lying for years

thats what happens when people lie

they become liers

and no one believe in them

you dont need to feel sorry about that

I was gonna turn over and talk about last year, but she got really mad at me. She’s also watching that Rachel lady, I think she’s slowly bluepilling herself.

is the cry wolf thingy

i lost the last big of respect i had for maddow when she did the whole fake cry thing recently

give me your mom phone number ill talk to her

was like, really, this crap... are you serious

😏

jk

Me want Maddow video

the cnn picture of the hurricaine is not even important

im too sick to go hunting for that one

"the cnn is not even important" FTFY

it isnt

i would like to see cnn course correct

i just dont see it in the cards

the imporant stuff is that white race have more kids than minorities to keep power

lol

She was watching some guy talk about how the kavanaugh accusation was ridiculous

And then I think some Carlson, but I’m not sure.

dems are good at becoming sneaky

they aready are sneaky, not becomming

they can make republicans call fake news on a shit that uncovers something worse

I am fully aware Anderson Cooper looks like a faggot

republicans are getting a little better at being sneaky but still need to train up some more

he is a faggot

he came out as one long time ago

republicans for the most part are naive

^

the last line, i cant say the other 2 lines lol

i throw low balls to see ho is really racist and homophobic in servers that i am not sure whats the consensus

Like what?

i hear ya

because one thing is joking about faggots

other thing is hating on them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQHCjPwr7G0

I agree with Razorfist.

What the fuck, Norm.

You loser.

God.

Ah great something I can’t click

i got too many gay people in my family, i try to be respectful

i have gays on the fam too

i am not respectful at all

cuz thats how we roll in my fam lol

no one respects shit

honestly the only one i chose to respect is my niece, because she isnt an asshole about it

I just have an idiot cousin who works in a bakery, I don’t think he’s grasped the concept of being gay.

my mom is def in the lib camp of DO IT LIKE WE SAY or we will beat you camp

thats sounds like mexican mom

my neighbours are mexicans

i can hear her yell at her kids

and must def some beatings here and there

with the slippers

we used to get the woodenspoon back in the day in my house

wont get any arguements from me about having to lay down the law from time to time, but there is a line to draw

we need to bring child beatings back in fashion