Do we really want pettiness in here?

That is literally what you are doing

Get a room and hatefuck already

You are hoping that the startup works in the end and that your investment of time will payoff in the long run

When you people say "get a job" just say what you really mean

I think everyone that is for a universal basic income should have to fund it first. Then, once they are at the level of a universal basic income recipient, we can take them serious.

Someone got that clip from tropic thunder?

What do you mean you people

Say "join our rat race"

'trickle down economics does not work'

Nobody calls it that.

...

Okay but since there are people that call it that

Don't you wanna delete your post?

I feel like you do now.

Knowing that plenty of people have used that term

Who calls it that?

That's a pejorative

I did not expect to be asked that today, so I don't have a source ready to tell you.

All I have is "Plenty"

Holy shit.

It was used endlessly during the bailout.

And no, not just as a pejorative.

It was coined during Reagans tenure

You think SJW was always a pejorative too?

No.

Feminists made that up themselves.

They LIKED IT.

Trickle down economics was the same way.

It's become a joke NOW.

Don't be simple.

The main issue with the video is that he argues all basic ideas and brings in numbers at the start but never expands upon anything he says.

"UBI has increased entrepenuer ship everywhere its been tried"

Citation needed

"UBI hasnt increased inflation at all but if it does thats a good thing because you need inflation"

No countries, programs or years mentioned at all

I'd be impressed with both of you if you gave him any ground at all.

On **anything** he says.

Well, we don't take things at face value.

He's saying so many different things. Are ALL of them retarded? 9_9

We prefer facts and evidence

He also misrepresents factors that contribute to inflation

Im willing to pass over facts in philosophical areas or rights questions

Okay I have a page of complaints about the video. It's poorly argued rhetoric that grossly misunderstands the problems it describes

Beeman! You can't argue against it!

But in the history of humanity literally every econmic system has been tried at one point or another. Data from these countries should be readily avilable even if its integrity is questionable

Rye.

He's british

Rye.

The thing you're doing.

How many feminists have you seen do shit like that?

Because personally I've seen a lot.

That dogpile tactic.

Hes mocking what you're doing scribble

Like a feminist would, I agree.

Again, I've argued with many.

A cowardly lot.

He might as well be going "oh honey" "sweetie" to me as well.

So if hes imitating your actions and you think hes acting like a feminist....

Ah that response wasn't very good.

Try again.

Ive tried to argue the points and apparently you have nothing to say to against my stances

I'm not interested.

You waived your position earlier. Before anyone commented, I said watch the ENTIRE THING

And you, didn't.

You're not loyal to the conditions.

Ah right, cant have wrong think in your discussion

Why should I speak with you properly? You don't meet my standards.

I stated very clearly what I'd speak to.

In such simple english too.

Oh no you dont have to thats the best part about this

lolwow... pewdiepie still hasnt got his copyright strike removed from when he played despecito on his guitar

I finished the video

It's a shame you only finished the video after waiving.

Funny how he ends with 'I'm right and you're dumb'. Seems familiar

Because you shat in the punchbowl.

I'm not going to talk with you about it.

For the same reasons I just gave blackhawk.

I can understand that

Afterall if someone were able to refute the points after watching for less than 6 minutes your reasons would look pretty dumb

Because you can't handle disagreement?

Because I broke your rules?

Because I set standards at the beginning, and you violated them.

You can go back and read what I posted under the link.

No one can deny I said all that shit.

**Fuck you.**

So because I disagree fundamentally on the role of government and oppose the 'great society'

So argue with someone else.

1) cost of living is not 10k, welfare is more than cost of living
2) not including kids doesn't make any sense, since they still cost money and you're knocking out the systems governments use to incentivize childrearing
3) there's no reason to believe fraud would not still occur
4) rent is not the primary method of real estate cash accumulation
5) ignores the reasons for high healthcare cost in the US
6) military meme https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-military-budget-components-challenges-growth-3306320
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/U.S._Federal_Spending.png/800px-U.S._Federal_Spending.png

Why would you include kids?

Because kids are citizens with a cost of living

```3) there's no reason to believe fraud would not still occur```
???
Alright?

Did you know the reason there are carvings on the sides of coins?

He made some valid points as to why it's debatably better than current social programs

Because people used to whittle away at them and making counterfeit coins out of the real material.

But those current social programs are a mess for other reasons.

>we save money by not having to deal with bureaucracy due to fraud, making sure people get their cash
>no reasons why UBI avoids this

Well, it's universal.

The inflation and trickle down thing is a whole nother list

Appapappa

Stop

It's universal. How can you fraud it? You're a person.

"My dead grandmother isn't dead lol"

Presumably it compacts the numerous programs into one streamlined social program

People already do that shit

Collect cheques from dead people

That's why it would 'save money'

Welfare has so many other conditions.

It's really nosey why you qualify or why you don't.

If you're divorced you make more, for example.

Yes, but there's a difference between "save money on" and "doesn't need"

UBI doesn't have that level of minutiae.

Are you denying that these things are important.

Really.

You still need admin, and a lot of it

Not as much, right?

Admit this or I'm putting you in the same camp as Blackhawk and Rye.

Possibly, depends on how its handled

Lol

"Possibly"

Fuck you.

I'll take that as a dishonorable "Yes, you're right"

Agree or gulag comrade

I've seen people fuck up simpler concepts

Okay, so I'd ask them not to fuck up what's on the tin

"What if you buy chocolate, AND IT'S POOP?!"

Never underestimate the bureaucracy

I'd ask them not to give me poop, and hope for the best.

I'd go through the proper channels "This guy is selling poop and not chocolate, can we fix this"

>I hope nobody abuses the power I give them over me, but I won't think about how that could happen

?

I think what we saying is, if theres an org capable of handling such a task. It might not be so... well, bad

Well not only capable but trustworthy

You're just sorta gainsaying non-specifically.

The only reason you're doing this, is because there's this mob energy in here, against me.

If this were you and I in private, you wouldn't be trying this.

**Be honest.**

No lol. I'll do this in DMs too if you want

"Government could fuck it up!"

OKAY?

Scrib! This is My damned point

I COULD TRIP ON A STEP AND BREAK MY SOUL

~~could~~ probably will

Could happen!

I didn't need to watch the whole fucking video for this argument

I did and my opinion never changed

Right. You just needed to watch the whole video to have my attention.

👋

Thats ok rye im still open for discussion

And this whole 'agree or you just aren't smart' attitude is straight up authoritarian.

👋

That's nice.

Follow the parameters next time, eh?

Fuck your authority

You child.

Get a job

And I quote. ```You child.```

Hey comrade Rye you want to discuss communism in gulag?

Marx was perpetually unemployed too...

Keep trying to formulate your workarounds for work.

😄

It's work done for free.

It's nobler than yours.

🖕

Good night, I hope you guys kiss and make up when I get back up. If.. I get back up

You don't mean "Get a job" when you say it

Jesus, worst keto flu

You mean "Get paid more!!"

keto flu?

Yes.

is that related to the keto diet?

diet thing, nothing to worry about.

I mean do work that actually carries value.

It does.

Second time, and it isnt going down as easy as the first time

Dopey cunt.

And claim that value as your own.

ugh

gl with that

So basically, Rye is a cuck.

A corporatist cuck.

thanks. Luck with what ever you are dealing with

Who only knows value because he was charged for it.

Own your labor. If you're not obtaining paycheck, good sign what your labor is worth.

Like i said rye hes making an investment

Using his time instead of his money

So am I. I'm building a media company, slowly but surely.

Rye is the sort that falls for designer clothing brands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP3Q7bO6V2I

Perfectly fine thing to do and plenty of people get by on it

Lol

I avoid designer labels like the plague.

Doesn't matter.

You fall for scams precisely like it.

You're only aware of **that one.**

And I know it because of the way you're talking to me.

You don't even know what I do.

I mean I do pay taxes...

So you're right there.

You just assume, because i'm not making money doing it at the moment, it's not real work.

Now.

That first bit

"Not knowing"

That's all I'd need really.

You fall for scams.

The issue with the basic core of the argument is that this may result in a tax increase

Yeah why would I pay taxes if I'm not making money I can hoard?

I'm not taking money from anyone, so what's your issue?

So you're an anti-capitalist.

Thus paying taxes would provide a stronger basis to argue from since you would be putting your own assets on the line

No stupid.

I'm going to quote it again.

```Yeah why would I pay taxes if I'm not making money I can hoard?
I'm not taking money from anyone, so what's your issue?```

None of the green paper is flowing in my direction.

There should be ZERO ISSUE

I am not a vacuum for it.

That's what an illegal immigrant is, that I am not. Savvy?

Or are you still angry for no reason?

"I WANNA BE MAD!! >A<" - Rye

The UBI comes from the government. The government takes money from other people. You want a UBI which may result in a tax increase. Ergo you want to tax me more thus taking money from me that I would otherwise use.

Nigga.

Ignore the tax increase

Automation is a job abbatoir.

It's irrelevant. That argument was sound.

Plus you cant tax the the UBI, so taxes would have to come from post UBI income.

Subtract the people who are already on social security from working and those under 18

And I agree that automation is a labor nightmare.

Agreeing to that puts you on a hook you won't soon be let off.

A hook called the truth which elbows its way into every argument we're having.

But workarounds are not going to fix it.

Automation is HUGE and a permanent fixture of every conversation like this.

I've had this exact debate, with far more civility, with someone else.

There's no putting it behind us.

And my positions haven't changed.

Oh I guess you expect me to care that you had it before.

Well lemme give it a try.

Rude

Rye. I care.

I care a lot.

So much.

Ubi is pointless because automation will crash the dollar to begin with.

So let's kill ourselves now.

That is a larger worry isnt it

No point living in a future with so much suffering.

#youfirst

I don't want to be a survivor of mad max future.

There's nothing to look forward to.

🤔

I don't particular see the concern over automation

Automation will be the 21st century Pandora's box