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2018-09-10 21:04:37 UTC

its like that time on mean tweets when he said "At least I'll go down as president"

2018-09-10 21:07:57 UTC

Also, he seems to be trying to take credit for the economy

2018-09-10 21:08:13 UTC

I think past presidents should fade from public life, honestly, as is tradition

2018-09-10 21:10:14 UTC


2018-09-10 21:10:15 UTC


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2018-09-10 21:18:25 UTC

Yeah, Obama has seemed kind of like a smug dick lately. It's kind of weird like he's becoming a celebrity now. Meanwhile Trump is a blatant dick and started as a celebrity.

2018-09-10 21:49:07 UTC

Wasn't Obama a nazi like a month ago?

2018-09-10 21:50:41 UTC


2018-09-10 21:52:29 UTC

@Ghostler holy shit it's a ghghghghost

2018-09-10 22:11:11 UTC


2018-09-10 22:11:14 UTC

```the game```

2018-09-10 22:11:23 UTC

And no I won't give 2006 its joke back

2018-09-10 22:21:38 UTC

A pleb. Sweet

2018-09-10 22:27:12 UTC


2018-09-10 22:35:07 UTC

again didn't get yt notification, this time for "9 banned books".... glad there's <#463052787970998282>

2018-09-10 22:36:51 UTC

youtube banning tim notifications

2018-09-10 22:37:07 UTC

though not for every video

2018-09-10 22:37:26 UTC


2018-09-10 22:37:35 UTC

im having this weird issue and got an email on nike today from bitchute

2018-09-10 22:37:41 UTC


2018-09-10 22:37:45 UTC

why ?

2018-09-10 22:37:52 UTC

so im getting notifications 1-3 days after they are being uploaded

2018-09-10 22:37:54 UTC

idk why

2018-09-10 22:37:57 UTC

Kapernick supporter detected

2018-09-10 22:38:05 UTC

i contacted the owner of bitchute about it

2018-09-10 22:38:20 UTC

hopefully ray responds back to me on it

2018-09-10 22:39:11 UTC

let us know what happens

2018-09-10 22:41:43 UTC


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2018-09-10 22:41:48 UTC

i got my notif

2018-09-10 22:43:41 UTC

The Rise of the Matriarchy lel

2018-09-10 22:44:47 UTC

Im not joking.


2018-09-10 22:45:00 UTC


2018-09-10 22:45:16 UTC

this was sent today

2018-09-10 22:45:25 UTC

the video was uploaded 2 days ago

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2018-09-10 22:45:44 UTC

The soyfather

2018-09-10 22:48:04 UTC

>girl ignores me for 3 months
>confused why I didn't say hi on the bus

2018-09-10 22:48:16 UTC

oh the notifications are coming in with a delay @scaryred24 ?

2018-09-10 22:48:28 UTC

its immediate on their website

2018-09-10 22:48:34 UTC

you need to steal more souls

2018-09-10 22:48:42 UTC

its the emails that are delayed

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2018-09-10 22:50:13 UTC

well i forgot to refresh my browser there but you get what i mean

2018-09-10 22:50:57 UTC

i does

2018-09-10 23:10:12 UTC

Thomas Shea: Since you missed the point, maybe you can suggest a way that Black Americans can protest police brutality that doesn’t get your panties in a bunch. Or expound on your anger over some of the shootings of unarmed Black Americans we’ve seen the last few years.

2018-09-10 23:10:20 UTC

Mike Rowe: Hi Tom. What point do you suppose I'm missing? I've re-read the question several times, and don't see anything about police brutality. I've also examined my panties, and see no sign of bunching. As I stated, I don't dispute CK's right to protest, or Nike's decision to put his face on billboards across America. I just said that, personally, I'd have gone another way. You're welcome to disagree, obviously. But you're not welcome to restate a question I've already answered.

2018-09-10 23:24:55 UTC

In response to Timcast: Diversity is an equity. If a society can can find a way to listen all the different points of view and come up with new ways to advance itself, diversity is an asset to that society. If the disparate voices fracture the society and the society spends all it's attention fighting against itself, diversity is a liability.

2018-09-10 23:28:22 UTC


2018-09-10 23:34:56 UTC

Dang it. Thought I could back on Minds to talk about diversity... Then I remember that I already have: https://www.minds.com/nine_of_swords/blog/confessing-one-of-my-biases-873786516576108544

2018-09-10 23:39:58 UTC

why isnt your name "Nein of Swords" ?

2018-09-10 23:44:07 UTC

Some people rotate names to make them harder to track.

2018-09-10 23:52:18 UTC

I just use different names on different platforms.

2018-09-10 23:52:20 UTC

Nine was short and available

2018-09-10 23:52:54 UTC

Sounds to me like an argument against diversity. If everyone has this one goal....everyone being different is okay....but if everyone has this one goal...is that diversity?

2018-09-10 23:53:19 UTC

Plus Nine of Swords actually is a thing and a bit put-offish to anyone who knows what it means

2018-09-10 23:53:50 UTC


2018-09-10 23:54:15 UTC

Chaos in a box.

2018-09-10 23:55:03 UTC

without the box it spills all over, with the box, it's orderly.

2018-09-10 23:56:17 UTC

What's the box? I only see the diversity police pushing chaos.

2018-09-10 23:57:33 UTC

It's not religion, it's not morality, it's not law, it's not country....what is it?

2018-09-11 00:00:23 UTC

Part of what I was saying is that diversity is meaningless as an end goal. It's value is in that it helps us see potential flaws and refine our goals.

2018-09-11 00:00:28 UTC

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2018-09-11 00:00:28 UTC

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2018-09-11 00:01:24 UTC

oh, i agreed, the rest was just me pondering, though genuinely curious.

2018-09-11 00:01:25 UTC

more protests in germany

2018-09-11 00:04:39 UTC

Germans are so weird

2018-09-11 00:05:04 UTC

better that than antifa faggotry i guess

2018-09-11 00:05:09 UTC

if by germans you mean their government and by weird you mean an example of how to monumentally fail over and over again.

2018-09-11 00:06:01 UTC

no, i mean doing the whole buddhist doth thou protest thing

2018-09-11 00:08:24 UTC

Why does Germany fall prey to the worst popular academic ideas? Euthanasia + Peer group isolated learning with Nazis and current day Globalism + white guilt

2018-09-11 00:08:37 UTC

Sitting in rehearsal for Romeo and Juliet

2018-09-11 00:08:52 UTC

Yay I get to read mercutio since a person isn’t here

2018-09-11 00:09:04 UTC

At least he's fun

2018-09-11 00:09:22 UTC

thinking it's something in the water.

2018-09-11 00:09:24 UTC


2018-09-11 00:09:48 UTC

ya didn't they remove the swimsuit part?

2018-09-11 00:09:50 UTC

*sound of a plane crashing to the ground*

2018-09-11 00:09:53 UTC

wtf is that hsit.

2018-09-11 00:10:28 UTC

*The pageant drew a 0.7 rating in adults 18-49 and 4.3 million viewers, airing from 9-11 p.m. on ABC. That is down approximately 36% in the key demo and 19% in total viewers compared to the 1.1 and 5.4 million viewers the pageant drew last year.*

2018-09-11 00:10:38 UTC

Guess they forgot how much of Hollywood and America are pedos

2018-09-11 00:10:39 UTC

thats from variety

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2018-09-11 00:11:02 UTC

curious how much tv ratings are down in general.

2018-09-11 00:11:17 UTC

They were probably streaming it

2018-09-11 00:11:20 UTC

i mean, with online alternatives.

2018-09-11 00:11:30 UTC

What day was it?

2018-09-11 00:11:39 UTC

what does pedos have to do with miss america ratings going down after swim swit competitino removal?

2018-09-11 00:11:49 UTC

I wonder

2018-09-11 00:11:50 UTC

Why do you think Hollywood's getting crazy like the MSM? It's feeling the end is near

2018-09-11 00:12:04 UTC

because they are exposed

2018-09-11 00:12:05 UTC

I feel that

2018-09-11 00:12:08 UTC

well is the mid term elections

2018-09-11 00:12:28 UTC

Maybe Snl overshadowed it

2018-09-11 00:12:30 UTC

and i bet they are starting to lose all that money they saved in case of emergency

2018-09-11 00:12:38 UTC

or just insane, or maybe both...

2018-09-11 00:13:35 UTC

think about it, youtubers are becoming the modern celebrities.

2018-09-11 00:13:51 UTC

well nobody wants that,

2018-09-11 00:14:22 UTC

if it can't be controlled it must be squashed.

2018-09-11 00:14:34 UTC

i think you are giving youtubers too much credit

2018-09-11 00:14:55 UTC

id give more credit to people like you

2018-09-11 00:14:55 UTC

I would say video games were getting the chance, but they've been hindered by their Hollywood envy

2018-09-11 00:15:16 UTC


2018-09-11 00:18:01 UTC

my point is that the structure is becoming more decentralized. that's creating panic, not only in industry but in government. Which is why you have things like internet censorship starting to take the forefront. It must be controlled or squashed.

2018-09-11 00:18:08 UTC

"we don't want a homogeneous culture"

oh i see, 20 different cultures will totally lead to a strong nation when not a single one calls themselves American....

2018-09-11 00:19:25 UTC

a strong 3rd world nation

2018-09-11 00:20:47 UTC

Think this a good saying? You can tell a thousand lies, but they will never be able overwhelm truth.

2018-09-11 00:20:54 UTC

keep us all so busy trying to feed ourselves, we don't notice the leashes.

2018-09-11 00:21:19 UTC

holy shit

2018-09-11 00:21:32 UTC

@Timcast TIM!!

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2018-09-11 00:21:46 UTC

i understand what tim was trying to say, but his "strength" has a big built in assumption: that everyone wants the same thing solved.

2018-09-11 00:21:50 UTC

Gulag alert!

2018-09-11 00:25:59 UTC

>wall with different shaped holes


2018-09-11 00:26:01 UTC

and why sending a bigot to one is actually a compassionate, non-violent course of action...

2018-09-11 00:27:07 UTC

...How does the left turn everything Russian?

2018-09-11 00:27:33 UTC

because the real russian collusion is with the left

2018-09-11 00:27:34 UTC

You'd think they'd want to be Russia πŸ˜‰

2018-09-11 00:34:30 UTC

oh, he made a vid, that's what u guys are talking about.

2018-09-11 00:35:24 UTC

ya, definitely a disagree with him, but only because he hasn't completely thought the idea through. It's like a house with many rooms, more rooms is fine and dandy and good, but it has to be built on a solid foundation.

2018-09-11 00:37:53 UTC

and in the same house

2018-09-11 00:38:13 UTC

gonna have problems if someone from a different house says one of your rooms is actually part of their house

2018-09-11 00:39:17 UTC

There's a lot of potential for conflating race and culture when talking about the diversity argument.

2018-09-11 00:39:33 UTC

well that just complicates my simile

2018-09-11 00:39:54 UTC

I don't think there's much room for argument against diversity of genes (maybe excepting genes predisposing people to diseease).

2018-09-11 00:40:06 UTC

i'm taking diversity to the most general definition.

2018-09-11 00:40:15 UTC

But certain cultures have really shitty ideas that out to be shitcanned.

2018-09-11 00:40:19 UTC

even if you both are talking about culture, there is a line between enjoying mexican food on some nights and making a part of town that speaks only Spanish and calls everyone white dirty Americans.

2018-09-11 00:41:38 UTC

Is it a good idea to embrace pederasty because it's part of different cultures?

2018-09-11 00:41:44 UTC

having a section of a city that is under sharia law is not a strong city. but forcing everyone to be Christian isn't a strength either.

2018-09-11 00:41:57 UTC

Imagine if you have a goal, the goal is to win a math competition. One team has nothing but mathematicians. The other team has a cook, a carpenter, a telemarketer, a pizza delivery man, etc. Who do you think is more likely to reach the goal?

2018-09-11 00:43:00 UTC

there needs to be something unifying. otherwise it doesn't matter if you have someone who can fit in the hole if they refuse to go through the hole

2018-09-11 00:43:16 UTC

exactly. in genetics, the unifying force is life.

2018-09-11 00:43:17 UTC

Tucker's argument wasn't that everyone needs to be the same; Tucker's argument was that there needs to be some common basis around which a functional society can be formed. Some minimum agreed upon cultural norms.

2018-09-11 00:43:34 UTC

everyone in a country should at least speak 1 language. you can speak more but everyone needs to speak 1.

2018-09-11 00:43:41 UTC

for example

2018-09-11 00:44:07 UTC

well, i would say the goal changes and that's what I asked earlier. mentioning chaos in a box. What's the box?

2018-09-11 00:44:12 UTC

In western cultures that is generally democratic participation in governance, separation of church and state, assumption of innocence, unbiased disinterested courts, rule-of-law, etc

2018-09-11 00:44:44 UTC

Sharia law, for example, is fundamentally incompatible with western civilization.

2018-09-11 00:44:48 UTC

an emphasis on individual rights too?

2018-09-11 00:44:53 UTC

Not sure that's really the case anymore...and that's where ppl have a problem with diversity.

2018-09-11 00:45:12 UTC

the west isn't very western currently

2018-09-11 00:45:18 UTC

its like post-western

2018-09-11 00:45:19 UTC

they don't know what the box is, what the goal is, what the foundation is. Diversity can only be a strength when there is a commonality.

2018-09-11 00:46:09 UTC

in his genetic example. Change the species, you have a cat and a dog. Is that diversity a strength?

2018-09-11 00:46:18 UTC

do we need people who are diseased and dying? is that a strength? i mean, you are not diverse if you don't have failed genes along with surviving ones

2018-09-11 00:46:55 UTC

If we want to continue the analogy of genetic diversity, eventually you get to the point where there is so much diversity within a gene pool that speciation happens and interbreeding stops being possible.

2018-09-11 00:47:42 UTC

So, like I said. I agree diversity can be a strenght, but I disagree that it must be.

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2018-09-11 00:48:14 UTC

legal immigration is a way of ensuring diversity that is a strength

2018-09-11 00:48:29 UTC

but thats wasict

2018-09-11 00:49:27 UTC

ok, ima watch the rest now, maybe he covers these points in what i haven't watched.

2018-09-11 00:49:45 UTC

then again, its racist to say you don't want your daughter to be raped if the local rape gang is known to be muslim

2018-09-11 00:49:55 UTC

and i mean known...to the police known.

2018-09-11 00:50:00 UTC

if you're still watching the Tucker video, I think that's most of the point Tim made.

2018-09-11 00:50:26 UTC

Are you in the UK, Grenade123?

2018-09-11 00:50:46 UTC

his fault is assuming that Tucker wasn't making the same point

2018-09-11 00:50:48 UTC

and no, why?

2018-09-11 00:51:16 UTC

Oh, that comment about the rape gang known to the police sounds like something people talk about concerning the UK.

2018-09-11 00:51:16 UTC

This is perhaps another formulation of the paradox of tolerance.

2018-09-11 00:51:32 UTC

i watch sargon

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2018-09-11 00:51:40 UTC

Ah, ok.

2018-09-11 00:51:49 UTC

but that was more or less the joke

2018-09-11 00:52:22 UTC

saying you are afraid of your daughter being raped becomes racist and therefore "bad" if the perp is Muslim. which is ridiculous .

2018-09-11 00:53:40 UTC

What's going on the UK is bonkers. Somewhere they went off the god damn rails.

2018-09-11 00:54:20 UTC

when you are so afraid of being called racist, you stop going after criminals, you have lost your way

2018-09-11 00:55:53 UTC

So @Timcast brings up the difference between legitimate and illegitimate authority in his banned books video today. I'd like you to reconsider the anarchist position on authority, Tim -- because even by your definition you acknowledge that authority is not something held by a person over another, but rather a deferment by a person to another they think is authoritative.

2018-09-11 00:55:54 UTC

well if you think that law is our commonality, I would agree.

2018-09-11 00:56:15 UTC

a lack of enforcement...we can no longer breed.

2018-09-11 00:56:25 UTC

we are too diverse. cat and a dog.

2018-09-11 00:56:30 UTC

Using your argument, anyone can say "I'm a doctor, put your hands on that wound" whether they're a doctor or not. Anyone can put on a uniform and say they're a police officer and "enforce" frozen zones.

2018-09-11 00:57:34 UTC

That doesn't mean authority exists, it means people are deferring to someone they perceive as authority. It's no different than faith. People can have faith, but that does not objectively assert the existence of God -- it only subjectively asserts the deferment to God in that person's mind.

2018-09-11 00:57:38 UTC

this vid popped up on my youtube frontpage

2018-09-11 00:57:57 UTC

But even the idea of diversity is too diverse to properly quantify. It includes far too many factors just to say that you need more "diversity".

2018-09-11 00:57:59 UTC

i don't watch youtube anymore, if i can help it.

2018-09-11 00:58:37 UTC

u must watch jootube

2018-09-11 00:58:45 UTC

Race? Skin color? Income? Wealth? Family? Relationships? Geographical location? You can't take everything into account all of the time.

2018-09-11 00:58:54 UTC

Are different kinds of courts and legal systems within the same country "diversity of thought"?

2018-09-11 00:59:01 UTC

generally we take it case by case.

2018-09-11 00:59:12 UTC

for example. when someone breaks the law...

2018-09-11 00:59:59 UTC

What about in France where some McDonalds franchise owners put up signs saying "no women allowed". It's not all McDonald's. You can just go to another. Is that diversity?

2018-09-11 01:00:19 UTC

it's diversity amongst mcdonalds.

2018-09-11 01:00:31 UTC

some allow, some don't, that is diversity.

2018-09-11 01:00:46 UTC

Just make us fat McDonald’s please

2018-09-11 01:01:04 UTC

Diversity of law breaking. White collar crime. Violent crime. Nonviolent crime. Drug crime. Miscegenation. Slavery. And it goes on...

2018-09-11 01:01:24 UTC

this is why i think tim's thought was just not thought out completely. maybe he was rushed, or maybe his leftist bubble is real πŸ˜›

2018-09-11 01:02:10 UTC

I think the main problem is that when someone says "diversity" you get a different answer per person.

2018-09-11 01:02:12 UTC

He's probably just not playing devil's advocate enough and being far, far, FAR too generous when it comes to assuming people are 'good' or like him.

2018-09-11 01:02:32 UTC


2018-09-11 01:02:49 UTC

Like that black Apple diversity woman who got fired for saying that 12 white men could be diverse for having different backgrounds.

2018-09-11 01:03:23 UTC

A lot of the liberals I know have this inherent believe that people from other cultures think exactly like them, and that the only differences are different languages, cloths, food, music, etc.

2018-09-11 01:03:50 UTC

context, that's why i took it to the most general definition. differences

2018-09-11 01:04:34 UTC

Like if you strip away the superficial differences that people from other cultures would share the same beliefs with respect to the role of religion, justice, government, family, gender, etc.

2018-09-11 01:05:11 UTC

there was actually an interesting paper a teacher handed out that kind of pointed the differences in perspective of cultures out.

2018-09-11 01:05:16 UTC

Then they're shocked when a man from Jordan or Syria is completely against the idea of their sister or daughter working and living independently.

2018-09-11 01:05:41 UTC

But even there you run into a problem if a certain person just doesn't follow their culture's norms/beliefs/what-have-you.

2018-09-11 01:05:56 UTC

it was describing standard things that americans take for granted, in a very odd way, the way an outsider might see them. To show us, how our perspectives are different.

2018-09-11 01:06:10 UTC

Oh yeah I'm not saying to pigeonhole people or pre-judge people based on their nationality.

2018-09-11 01:06:30 UTC

No, I think I just jumped to the conclusion you were making.

2018-09-11 01:06:33 UTC

I'm saying that you can't take it for granted that all people everywhere believe in the same basic philosophy you do.

2018-09-11 01:07:08 UTC

Some people might legitimately believe there is a role for religion in government, or that families must have the final say in who you marry.

2018-09-11 01:07:37 UTC

Or that it's OK to exclude people based on inherent characteristics. These notions are very shocking to liberals.

2018-09-11 01:07:57 UTC

So they patronize them.

2018-09-11 01:08:27 UTC

I remember that Nacirema from back in high school sociology class.

2018-09-11 01:08:54 UTC

Part of the reason Islam gets a pass in extreme liberal communities. They don't really believe that some muslims have such views. They think there's a misinterpretation or misunderstanding somewhere, or that they're being tricked or deceived.

2018-09-11 01:09:24 UTC

That the Muslims are somehow victims for having these beliefs.

2018-09-11 01:10:07 UTC

An entire religion of victims. That's liberal paydirt.

2018-09-11 01:10:12 UTC

I think they look at Muslims seeing the Koran the same way that *they* view the Bible.

2018-09-11 01:10:21 UTC

And some totally do.

2018-09-11 01:10:34 UTC

That it's just an old book with a bunch of outdated rules.

2018-09-11 01:12:08 UTC

Had a Kuwaiti roommate once that gave zero fucks. But I think it's a safe bet that the old beliefs are widely held. Shapiro did a video on it.

2018-09-11 01:12:23 UTC

Anyway, when the fundamentals of the west are being asked to be changed. That we are individuals, that we have rights and responsiblities, that we are all the same under the law, etc. That kind of diversity is not a strength. That's a recipe for chaos.

2018-09-11 01:13:12 UTC

As we can see being played out...

2018-09-11 01:13:30 UTC

Paradox of tolerance. We have lost confidence in the idea that our core beliefs with respect to law, governance, epistemology, metaphysics, human nature, etc, are correct.

2018-09-11 01:13:45 UTC

Yep. There's a bedrock of culture that needs to be shared for people to coexist peacefully.

2018-09-11 01:14:01 UTC

One thing Tucker pointed out was language.

2018-09-11 01:14:23 UTC

If you literaly can't communiate with someone you can't really interact meaningfully.

2018-09-11 01:17:48 UTC

A big part of diversity is assimilation which is when the people who enter a community leave their bad ideals behind and only bring in good new ones. What is gong on now isn’t that kind of diversity.

2018-09-11 01:20:04 UTC

Also you can get diversity of thought by visiting other places without needing to import people.

2018-09-11 01:20:17 UTC

Or via the internet

2018-09-11 01:20:27 UTC

Like how Tim was saying he goes into conservative spaces.

2018-09-11 01:20:44 UTC

@Timcast I'm curious, did you think Turcker was talking about Diversity of Thought?

2018-09-11 01:21:41 UTC

Bringing in people with vastly different beliefs and expecting them to change/become a net positive isn’t always based in reality.

2018-09-11 01:21:53 UTC

Bringing in is the key phrase

2018-09-11 01:22:26 UTC

If people can make it in via the normal process, want to join the society etc then I see 0 issues

2018-09-11 01:22:56 UTC

If they want to join and will change to fit in.

2018-09-11 01:23:16 UTC

Part of joining a group is adopting some of the practices of the group

2018-09-11 01:23:32 UTC

If you show up and refuse to participate you haven't really joined anything

2018-09-11 01:23:45 UTC

There's a big difference between someone willing to work hard and play by the rules and put down something to be included vs. people just being imported without any real sacrifice on their part.

2018-09-11 01:23:52 UTC

Yes you don’t get to join a group and then force the group to be like you.

2018-09-11 01:24:17 UTC

(See Islam)

2018-09-11 01:24:35 UTC

I've said this before, here and elsewhere, but I often find that people who deliberately move here are way more patriotic and defensive of western values than those born here

2018-09-11 01:25:02 UTC

Because they chose to be here, and worked for it, and because they can see the cultural differences

2018-09-11 01:25:26 UTC

Whereas a lot of people in the west have gone culture-blind when it comes to their own nation

2018-09-11 01:25:33 UTC

Depends. If they're second generation in an ethnic enclave they're likely to experience problems.

2018-09-11 01:25:35 UTC

They don't want to lose what they just worked so hard to get.

2018-09-11 01:25:41 UTC

by "here" you mean the US right?

2018-09-11 01:25:42 UTC

People who move have merit (if the immigration system is done properly). People who are born somewhere didn’t have to work to be there.

2018-09-11 01:25:47 UTC

my Dem candidate is pro public option thank fucking god

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