I wouldn't exactly call Beto gun-friendly.

And that vote is what matters at the end of the day.

@Beemann I think it's already undergone that purge and has been growing.

If they aren't enthusiastic about voting for him, and think he's going to win anyway because it's Texas, then they might stay home assuming the seat is safe.

Which is how you lose.

But the reason they're not enthusiastic about voting for him has nothing to do with Beto spamming ads.

Nah, I think they got smacked a bit and have mostly been ignored. Like how Anons were for a while. They're also compromised anyway

What with all the front page curating and modshit

I think the big "organic" net neutrality stunt they pulled removed any notion of objectivity.

down to the minute of hate every time someone says "ajit pai"

Absolutely

Except it trickles into the real world. Almost every kid I see has an unseen hatred for Pai.

It's frankly terrifying.

It's a ministry of truth with the passions of the mob.

And the social media companies will let nothing slow their grab for power.

Right and I think that's only going to get worse as influence is exerted

Reddit has been nothing if not pliable over the years

I agree.

Reddit's not pliable. Reddit's *complicit*

On an admin level sure

I suspect no small fraction of this is coming straight from Reddit itself.

I'm referring to the userbase, only a portion of which is complicit

Nunuanananananannan

BEEMAN

beeman

*beeman**

I suspect the majority of the userbase is outright brainwashed.

It's all gotta go though basically

The consolidation level is too high

They embody the hivemind in all walks of their life.

No, it doesn't. Power being centralized does not imply a devolution of power.

If anything, it only becomes increasingly hardened with time.

Power being centralized makes it ripe for absolute fuckery

Which is what is happening.

Right, so what I'm saying is the way to handle it is to kick out the support beams, or let someone else do it for you

It was a mistake to give a single organization so much power, much less do the same trick 5 or so times over

What *exactly* are you proposing to do.

And "make alternatives" isn't an answer.

We've seen how that went and is going.

They just go after funding. And they get infested with alt-right racists and you'll never get the mainstream onboard.

We've had that conversation already, and how your general assumption is that all of these alternatives must fail, and how all the problems can't possibly ever go away

It's not an assupmtion.

It's how it has played out in practice.

Look at all the people deplatformed on Patreon.

Tbh the goal of building a second twitter is the issue. That was never a good idea in the first place

Mastercard.

Voat is an alt-right shithole.

BitChute is not much better.

The answer shouldn't be to rebuild the shit site but now with a different spin

And you can't get the mainstream onboard and have no plans to fix it.

THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PLAN!?!

The mainstream is not a monolith

I'm arguing with a brick wall.

Just tell me YOU PLAN.

quit spinning around.

Either admit my point or give a proposal.

No, you've just built up a plethora of assumptions, and are just nuh uh-ing every aspect

We fight over this for hours and you never address my points.

Which is what you've done every time

THAT'S WHAT YOUR DOING!

Is tim tam the jim jam a lizard? why he have trouble pronouncing basic words?

Just give me you plan!

The sites are not going to survive lol

Type up what you propose to do instead.

Stop using them, encourage others to stop using them

Amplify every mistake they make

Except that's not how it works.

There are plenty

People aren't leaving social media.

It's too ingrained.

>no site has ever died. People have never left websites

No, they move from one to another.

But the alternatives aren't much better.

Leave Tinder for Bumble.

One of these bans anyone with a picture of a gun.

One of these is more social justice than the other.

One of these is much more likely to kick you for being on this discord.

You do nothing but say "it's all going to just die" and never give a reason why.

And then you "nuh-uh" me whenever I tell you *exactly* why this needs to be addressed.

That's fine. It's not up to us to police which stupid alternative people pick

And when I give more reasons you repeat yourself.

Then get silenced.

No, you assert that it needs to be addressed because you're placing undue emphasis on fucking twitter

And its role in society

No, I'm asserting that the social media giants are starting to gain absolute control and it needs to be opposed.

And as Europe and the Democrats are going to regulate it and via a cooperation of government and corporate power silence any opposition now and in the future, the only plausible solution is to preemptively regulate.

And things only get worse as freedom of speech becomes a paper tiger.

You're just saying "it's all going to die and deserves to die anyway, lol" Which isn't addressing anything.

Like how people will always seek social connections and will, and have, always found them. And as long as the internet exists, they will form social media giants.

Preemptive regulation doesn't stop Europe from regulating

No, but it does prevent it from coming over here.

And it's not entirely preemptive either. Europe has already done it in parts.

Like you can have your pro freedom bill and Germany will still have the cuck bill, and then what?

We have freedom on this side of the Atlantic, at the very least.

You have some freedoms*

You'd just propose we have cuck bill on both sides because the social media companies will go with Germany by default.

Technicalities not addressing the point and not elaborated anyway.

No, I'd propose you have no bill and try to unfuck Germany

HOW!?!

You aren't giving an answer.

You're just saying "it's all going to die" and not telling how you fill the social need.

Or the fact that people will seek to use the internet.

The social need for twitter only exists because people are using twitter

Or that the alternatives will also be subject to regulation.

You're a dumbass. I could care less about twitter in particular and more what Twitter and the other companies are doing.

QUIT SIDETRACKING ON TWITTER!

You're a dumbass. Europe us just going to cuck itself into China 2.0

The idea that the internet is ruined because of the great firewall is absurd

And you think that's a good solution, how?

It's not a solution. It's a self correcting problem

And didn't you jsut say your solution was to "un-cuck Germany"

No, it's not.

I see no evidence that China is in any way becoming less censorious. If anything, It's becoming more.

You can't talk about Winnie the Pooh in China.

>Europe is structured the same as China
>China is going to survive

And "people use VPNs" isn't an answer when the VPNs are targeted and the US and Europe are the same.

Not an argument.

China is getting reamed by it's own media now

No it's not.

The media in the US and Europe, maybe.

But as a whole the government is completely in control.

I'm done. You're not arguing. Just "nu-uh-ing"

The Chinese media has criticized the government multiple times in the past couple of years. Openly

Only when the party is OK with the criticism.

They can kill the criticism at any time.

And they do if it becomes too much or they don't plan to change something later.

You're delusional if you think it's not controlled.

Whatever happened to "un-cuck Germany"

You still haven't said anything about how to do that.

You're ignorant if you don't see how historically that shit has worked out

Germany is going to get fucked by the collapse of the EU and the anger of its own people

You're ignorant if you don't see how censorship has survived and thrived in most of history.

No, it's not.

It's just going to clamp down in some parts and adapt in others.

As will the EU.

How long do authoritarian governments last once they start being openly mocked?

A couple protests don't matter. Those are routine.

Potentially generations.

Most civilizations in history made fun of the king in parts.

>in parts

There's genuine unrest in China, on multiple fronts

This isn't "everyone becomes silenced" it's "the people who are debating are the approved people"

You'll always see something like unrest but it's all controlled.

This isn't black-and-white.

And there's been unrest in China since the dawn of Chinese civilizations.

>it's either controlled or it doesn't happen
>stop being so binary

M8

Please

They still had dynasties that lasted longer than the US

Nice ad hominim.

I'm done. You're worse than a brick wall.

You're not giving ideas.

When did I insult you instead of addressing your argument?

You're not making arguments.

You're just giving snark.

I have made arguments

That's your usual arguing style and I'm done.

You're just projecting hard

We've done this before.

Many times.

Yes, and you just nuh uh'd everything

And insisted everyone but you has their head in the mud

If only they could *see*

No, I give specific examples that you ignore.

No, you've just said there will be legislation as though that's the be all and end all

There's no connection from cuck bill to internet ruined for everyone forever

Else China would have fucked it already

Weren't you arguing that all internet regulation was bad the last time we argued?

The EU was and is counting on the UK's money, as one of the largest payers in the Union

Because I ws saying we needed some.

I was, I'm also not saying the articles are good

and now you're saying that Chinese censorship is OK because the Chinese internet "survivied"

That's not what I said at all

Slow down and address my actual points please

China cucking its internet did not cuck the whole internet

"There's no connection from cuck bill to internet ruined for everyone forever | else China would have fucked it already"

Yes

As in the larger network isn't fucked because one segment is

That's pretty clearly saying "we have a cuck bill in China but the Chinese internet is fucked"

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

You let harmful practices and regulations spread to the US and the remaining free parts of the internet and it gets worse for everybody.

No, you said I was saying that the internet *in China* survived so it's okay

So you have to take preemptive steps to stop it.

Name the Chinese policies that have spread to the US

Well, we now have the beginnings of a "great firewall" in the UK

We have people calling for hate speech regulations in the US.

People calling for hate speech != Chinese policies in place

*hate speech being originally pushed by Stalin and common throughout the communist block

No, but it's very plausibly going there.

I have no doubt there are Democrats *right now* who are looking to draft regulation to ban it.

You can already see it in some proposals.

We're not getting hate speech legislation with a Trump dominated SCotUS

I would not be so sure.

Suppose Trump unelected 2020.

Dems decide to expand the federal bench.

What do you plan to do about it.

Nothing,. You have nothing.

>dems decide to undermine checks and balances

You are going to just whine on the internet.

Like everyone else here.

Sorry how does legislating the internet fix this?

It blocks it ahead of time.

No it doesn't lol

It forces the issue to stop censorship for the meantime.

They can just fucking overturn that shit

What?

No they can't.

If you're required to host all political discussion as a public square, there's nothing to overturn.

That's the most retarded solution I've ever heard

Unless you are saying the laws applied to shopping malls and telephone lines for nearly a half century are unconstitutional.

Not an argument.

>all political discussion

It cannot possibly be that broad

Or you're just saying fuck property rights

Fine. If you want a more specific solution, I can find it.

But there's pretty standard precidents.

Which is what I'm advocating for.

The only way Trump would put hate speech production in is if it is hate speech protection for trump, which honestly nobody wants to do. Except trump.

He's saying the dems will

After Trump leaves

Or they get rid of him somehow or something.

It doesn't really matter, it's very near future from what I can tell.

But the thing is that either the Dems can't cuck the supreme court, or you were fucked anyway

You place way too much emphasis on precidents.

The arguments to overturn your precidents are common in law schools.

More common than the arguments for the status quo.

And the forces of censorship want to make it even more that way.

You're naive if you think the goal isn't to turn the censorious and one-sided style of academia into the broader society.

>it's easy to overturn the checks and balances of the country
>it's impossible to overturn a regulation or law

And there are reasons the arguments are so one sided in the academy.

Sure. Fine. You can overturn or change things later.

But the regulations are coming.

Then they're coming no matter what

And the power is all one sided once the censorship is sufficiently underway.

And there's fuck all you can do about it by your own logic

No, I'm saying you force open the channel so you can *fight at all*

You'd lose the platform and then just say "lol we just burn it" without a fight.

>blue wave
>dems get majority
Oh boy, how do you fight now?

I don't know. Which is why this needed to be done yesterday.

Oooh now who could it be? https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1037880524516282370?s=19

My bet is Mattis

>we need to change a changeable factor before people can inevitably change it

SO WHAT IS YOUR PLAN?

Like literally from the perspective you're arguing, abandon ship is the more logical option

Mattis would never do this anonymous leaking shit.

I'm arguing this from *your* rebuttals m8

@Beemann non squitar

Please use one fallacy right today

Hmm, older, conservative, Male

I'm done you're worse than a brick wall @Beemann