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Can't tell if trolling, or serious
I never could spell that word, it always felt weird writing that down. I am predominately Caucasian.
But I am like 1/4th native american.
im hu'white af
If the government had their way, I would been adopted into a native tribe.
But my birth mom hide the fact I was native from government, so I could be adopted out to my current mother.
oh are you involved in any native american groups?
No I am not... because I have no connection to tribes except by blood.
Actually, this brings up an interesting point when people talk social justice. At which point does a mixed person become a PoC.
The answer I tend to hear is 1/8. Which is funny, because that's the threshold the South used for Jim Crow and slavery.
well tbh i think we ignore the amount of shit the reservations are dealing with
Im everything sjw's hate
im predominately Northern European
Native American reservations are suffering from a lot of crap.
hello my hu'white friend
People tend to treat them as foreigners instead of Americans.
I'm guessing you're a Nazi too. You're good at hiding it, but you've just exposed yourself!
It makes me mad.
We are United States citizens too.
Just because we have reservations, doesn't mean we are foreigners.
OH NO ive been found out
oh also my BS is in both History and Political Science, forgot to mention the other earlier
If I was placed on that reservation like I should have been, I would have been closed off to United States in many ways.
Only got it in history, but i minored in PS and IR
AH DAMN IVE BEEN HAD kek
Since I am outside the reservations, I have a unique angle to look at things.
yea I want to change the US governments relations with the reservations to be more symbiotic
You never know or understand the other side unless you are on the other side.
i know someone who is a tribe member that i hope to try to discuss the topic with
I feel that there been attempts to isolate Native Americans into tribes.
I should ask, how does jurisdiction work with Native American tribes?
Yes we should practice and respect the culture, but use is it to keep them isolated and not allow them to participate in our politics?
well alot of them are separate tribes
In our states growth? They are in fact citizens of our nation.
If they arent going to assimilate then yes
I always was under the impression the feds try and avoid interfering with the reservations for fear it would be overstepping the Indian nations powers.
Heres your qasai legal status now dont interfere
See the main issue is with the reservation host states
Pratel... it is more of a isolation and bubble.
they wont just give that land up to become a state
A lot of bad problems are imported into the reservations, but there is no effort to help them solve those problems.
No they dont get to be a state, theyd be part of whatever state they are currently in
nor are they willing to take on responsibility for the land should it fully intergrate
Then they barely get any say in the direction of our nation's growth.
I don't advocate giving land back, that time has long since past.
the problem is getting the states to take more responsiblity
I think though, we should focus on co-existing and making amends for past transactions by doing something positive to help both of us.
like what specifically?
Why should I stay bitter about the past, the past I wasn't directly impacted by?
You shouldn't. But that's not really something that can really be legislated. And it requires mutual agreement.
well the states and the federal need to take more responsibility for one, instead of ignore them
I'm not sure, my thoughts are not complete because I don't have access to any tribes at the moment.
But I feel we can't ignore them and leave them to their own demise.
thats why i want to talk with the tribe member i know
I can only talk about my experiences outside the reservations as a native American.
At somepoint they have to work things out themselves
And what I see from peering into the reservation.
Cant have the government running their lives, even if it is to lead them to salvation
in some regards they need to take responsibility too
But the government can fix the problems that they created themselves.
The tribes near me always seemed to be doing ok. Alot of the issue I hear about are pretty universal of that part of the world. Stuff like alcohol and opiate addiction.
but we have to work together to ease the burden
Its not like addiction is stuck inside of reservations
its mostly north mid-west
that the problems occur iirc
Open an center to help fight addiction in native reservations would be a good step.
Yeah, addiction is getting kinda bad in the rural parts of the country.
subsidize treatment centers?
Give them a door to step away from that life.
I get the impression a big part of it is actually like alot of the rural parts of the country. Alot of the best people who might fix things tend to leave.
provide incentive for new businesse
No I am not talking about that... I am talking about like AAA meetings to help them get away from addictions.
Work towards being addiction free.
yea young people move out
gotta give them less reason too
I wonder if native americans view themselves as different from white people
No... not really Black.
i think soooome do
They do feel neglected and ignored.
which is a breeding ground for extremism
hence why i think ignoring them is ultimately bad
There really isn't much extremist ideologies in native tribes.
I think it has something to do with the culture.
I'd wager it's probably size personally.
I don't hear as much extremism in rural counties either.
they dont have a reason too
Rural areas tend to be more neighbor friendly and close netted group of people.
That care and help each other up, we don't usually think about identity politics like the west coast and east coast does.
I despise identity politics, I view it as a way to divide people and put them against each other.
Im in an area that tries to use IDpol to get votes
its irritates the hell out of me
because it turns off potential moderate or switch voters
Be happy you're not a pseudo-academic. They use it for deciding the allocation of resources. And speaking turns. And...
they dont want that shit so they vote for the guy that doesnt do it
All the SJW stuff people think is extreme and crazy is the norm in academia.
If not worse.
yea i somehow got out of college right before the sjw take over
You can open most academic rags and find people wailing about white privilege more often than not.
I wish people stop looking down on the middle America aka "Fly over states" they call us, but actually look to us for solutions. We have many solutions for the problems that they have. A lot of what they wish for happens down here naturally without the government intervening.
Thankfully i didnt have to deal with any instances of it in my university
Though there was one time a KKK effigy appeared, but apparently it was taken down before it could be seen by any press
Some of my favorite states ive visited are middle american
The talk about White Privilege is turning whites against minorities. I don't understand why they can't see that.
they do all to often go ignored
You're lucky then. I had "white privilege" explained to me before I ever set foot on campus.
Is Boogie alright
Because they see their ideology as right and those who dont agree as the enemy
Everyone made fun of it at the time. But now it's escaped campus and isn't a joke anymore.
I mean personally my campaign slogan might be "Seeking Solutions" when that time finally comes
They did have us watch a series of videos about "rape culture" but everyone just let them run and did other things
lol i had a "rape culture" convo with some sjw at a local con
@Dusty Morgan They think it's going to reconcile differences. And it didn't turn *them* against the minorities. The ones that do just suffer from "white fragility" and need to be fixed.
Unity is a bad word now.
i basically said "but rapes illegal and actively looked down on by the wider society"
Too be honest, I think all this talk about identity politics and new problems is just the product of people who have too much free times on their hands, thinking to freaking hard on subjects that really isn't a problem in the first place. Or I could be wrong, there is a more sinister motive to it.
Alot of it is a bit of a meme in the original sense Dawkins wrote it.
i cant tell you how good it feels to barely use Facebook
Social Justice is more or less custom designed to seize power and resist attempts to dethrone it.
A true uber-meme so to speak.
So it persists by creating problems that it claims to solve and seizes resources and influence as it persists.
Becoming ever stronger.
Including it's particularly totalitarian impulses.
its the new class conflict
Fire people who oppose it as intolerant and hire those that support it.
its ultimately self-destructive
Just look at #metoo
and all the #resettheclocks
@Lagomaster24 I actually like comparing it to Chivalric codes. Alot of those tended to be abused by the knights who claimed to follow them. But it was a very good way to separate the knightly class from the peasants.
Antifa comes along and equates words to violence, thus justifying their use of violence against anyone who show even a slight hint of being against their views. Then that escalates when the right decides to stand up to them, trying to show them what kind of hypocrites they are. Antifa is acting very similar to the brown shirts from the 1930's to the point, it is hard to separate them from actual real Nazi's from the 1930s.
didnt think about it that way
Antifa might as well BE the brown shirts
When both of these sides collide, I just shake my head and sigh. They are feeding off each other, they are not going anywhere and people are being hurt because of it.
instead theyd be the black shirts
they thrive off of it though
so they continue
even if they havent realized it yet
If the news media ignored these two sides, we wouldn't be here. Laugh at them and ignore them, don't do anything to them at all. Don't bring legitimacy to their arguments by attacking them.
the problem with MSM is that they make bank off of it
I think you have to remember where Antifa got their ideas from. Words are violence and intolerance of intolerance (including double standards) is a core idea of Marcuse.
Thats part of the reason, but i dont think it would have gone to that extent without the media doing what they do
Who is one of the most highly cited authors in the humanities right now.
However, its not as if a media blackout would solve the issue
gets them more clicks, views, etc. keeps them relevent
Profit drives them, someone getting hurt be damn, they will still make a buck.
More terrifying to e is that they are getting cover as the brownshirts did.
By *not* calling out Antifa's violence they are feeding it.
By *not* convicting them of assault they are encouraged by the system.
Thats what Antifa says about white supremacists
What made the Brownshirts dangerous is that the Nazis found them useful and let them persist.
Also I don't like how the media publican shames people and sends the "Mobs" on people. People's lives are destroyed because of the media and when they are proven innocent, they move on without any correction or fixing the issue that they caused. We should allow people to sue the media for defamation because the media is getting wildly out of control and feel they are above the law.
Commies also had a large presence in Germany at the time
Night of the Long Knives
I couldn't find any better example of this than what CNN said straight to our faces.
Indeed. Antifa was basically founded to fight the brownshirts.
Iron Front i think?
Let me find youtube video of what I am talking about.
This is what I am talking about.
Pratel... you don't know how ironic that is that Antifa is formed to fight brown shirts, but today they became the brown shirts.
I think in terms of the youtube sphere, sjws and antis alike should be more involved in the real world instead of just proselytizing from their bedrooms
But suppose someone make a good point
From the safety of their bedroom
The media (and the academies) sees itself as the enlightened rulers of the country.
Like I like that Sargon and Dank are getting out there instead of just making vid after vid
Basically they say it is illegal for us to view stolen documents, but it is okay for them to view stolen documents. Basically they view themselves above the law.
Sargon and Dank got STARTED with their bedrooms
Followings which made it all possible
i have nothing against people talking from their bedrooms its a platform builder
Bedroom means nothing. Content rules the sphere
A lot of those youtubers that the media nickname as "Alt-right" have good intentions, but their message has been corrupted by the media.
Imagine if everything Sargon ever did in public was actually computer graphics.
More important are networks. But you should never underestimate the information war.
literally the reason im working to start my own channel is to get a platform and form a following then take that into the real world
And Tim just voice acted for his own appearances in Sargon's videos.
@Lagomaster24 I think you might want to skip to something else personally. I'd bet there are too many Youtubers already *and* I don't think you have a message Google would like.
I like Timcast... even though I don't agree with him on all topics, I value his views that gives me alternative views to subjects. He does his research which I highly appreciate more than you realize. Most people don't do research and have kneejerk reactions to subjects.
Were you around when we were discussing intermediary American organizations?
Ive already set up for Bitchute
Bitchute needs an API
i jsut cant be public atm
So I can automatically download videos from there
That is one of the reason I appreciate Timcast as a source of news for me. I look at other news which has slants, then I compare to Timcast who I know does research it.
@Dusty Morgan I like that he's an actual journalist with a good sense of what is actually happening and is willing to say exactly what he sees.
He doesn't allow his politics cloud his reporting of the news.
Tim imo is actually a journalist
not an activist
I already rarely visit youtube because my computer automatically downloads my subscription feed when I boot my PC
which is why i respect him
and became a patron recently
I would be a patron, but I'm poor as dirt
Anyways, @Lagomaster24 I think on the ground organization is actually more relevant.
And it's something the anti-SJW side sorely lacks
I wish the Mainstream Media would fire any activism and makes it against company policy to do activism, but I highly doubt I will ever see that.
Much better niche and I think it would be more effective.
Than fighting with all the other YouTube talking heads.
Activism in my opinion clouds the subject and makes it harder to discern truth from fiction.
^ This is the problem with Academia.
I care about objective truth, not activism
The channel would potentially be a means of getting said on the ground organizations message out
What's the point of activism, if it doesn't lead to truth?
What's the point of defending falsehood?
I see no reason other than evil and power
I hardly see journalist these days putting themselves in danger like back during world war 2, when they felt it is very important for people to see what is happening and they were willing to risk their lives for it.
My primary concern right now is to get myself a platform, network, and eventually start organizing
Today journalists except for Timcast who has done that, are lazy and sit in their air conditioned buildings, filling in the gaps.
and the channel is a means to that end
@Dusty Morgan I wouldn't be sure if WWII is the correct war. WWII required all reporting to pass through the government and be censored to support the effort.
Why not just start a new NEWS organization that is based off objective truth, the real truth with real on the ground reporting like Timcast?
Vietnam is probably closer. It's what the journalists idolize. It's also where the journalists became activists.
It blew past fair reporting to activism around the end of the war.
What worries me is the censorship on youtube and twitter. Not because there aren't exponentially better places to be, but too many people are on these centralized platforms. My goal is to get people OFF of twitter, not necessarily to fix twitter
The censorship scares the hell out of me.
Censorship is the real threat in all this.
Yea the push for the "internet bill of rights" needs to be an organized effort
I was shadow banned from Twitter for talking about the constitution and advocating the protection our rights to engage each other.
I've been evangelizing for some kind of public square regulation.
and currently it is not
I had to deactivate my account, because I was getting no response from twitter at all. I am not important enough.