That's bigger than the parties though.

It's a huge social problem.

This is what happens whenever you make progress.

yea but they are a platform for it

A backlash in the opposite direction occurs

The Democrats are receptive to the new academic left. Which is all IDPol.

yea we are in the middle of a paradigm shift i think

"The American Brahmins" as I've heard it called.

I should say. I really dislike the terms 'right side of history" "progressive" and "regressive" it's too easy to make these things mean whatever you want.

I think IDPol will ultimately have to change to be more receptive to everyone

if it hopes to survive the paradigm

i use regressive in regards to IDPol as pushed by both the alt-left and alt-right to justify their racism

I think IDPol may not necessarily be inherently insidious but can easily be used as such

Going back to Tim's question

The Right will say that The Great Society really destroyed the Country.

The Moynihan Report really mirrors modern discourse well.

I use regressive on both sides to refer to any reverse in what social progress we have ACTUALLY achieved

Its not that we dont need more ACTUAL progress, its that we seem to be trying to go about it in such a way that the reverse is occuring, just from a different "perspective"

idk im ultimately a solutions guy, and i dont think IDPol is a viable way to reach said solutions

@Timcast Any particular areas you had in mind with respect to the Democrats doing messed up stuff?

no im good

uhhhh

its fake

lmao

ok that makes sense

I know shes made a sport out of PR blunders but that would be a step up

I was going to say. It looked fake. But could almost be real. Had she not said "It's time for us to come home" and then brought up reparations or something I would totally believe it.

i just think its funny that anyone would try to use history as evidence of good deeds or honor

Hang on I have a meme for this

especially when the kkk and jim crow were AFTER ther new deal

History obsession is how wars continue and never stop.

Seeking "justice" and never offering "forgiveness"

See as someone with a BS in history i can say that understanding history and learning from it is important, but you cannot allow yourself to get trapped in it.

you have to live in the present

learn from the past

and strive for a better future

I was going to say hope for a better future, but yours is better

Just got to the vid about the berniebro who got his head bashed in

i say strive because one must be actively involved to make it happen but hopes not bad either

Antifa just needs to fuck off at this point eh

Lagomaster, hence why I said yours is better

Hoping for change does as much good as liking a facebook page for a worthycause

glad they are considered terrorists but idk if we've done enough about them

they are hard to pin down

Its not worth devoting resources to them

for the moment it would do nothing but increase the validity of their rhetoric

Democrats were the creators and solders of the Confederate army. Democrats were the founders of the KKK in attempt to segregated and keep blacks from mingling with the whites, then when civil rights era came along they found against black's getting their rights. Democrats fought against almost every single civil rights piece except for the last one, they figured if they can't win, they will use the blacks by keeping them under their party as loyal voting block.

Blackhawk, if we don't devote resources to them, there is also a risk they become more bold

i remember posting a complaint about internet activism or "clicktivism" on Facebook awhile back and someone tried to argue that it actually made a difference pffffft

Why the heck would I support a party that attempts to blame Republicans for their past? It doesn't make sense. The tearing down statues and the destruction of the "Racist" history is working in favor of the democrats.

Why would people research the past if there isn't any reminders of the past?

The right amount of resources were the level used at the rally time was at in portland I think it was?

it might have been seattle

Statues play a good role in making people remember the past and thus remembering never to go down that path again.

Yeaaaaa Dems in some ways are the same as they ever were

Use the police to keep people from fighting and use the law to crack down when they get violent

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

but i think we are at a perfect opportunity to change even that

Lagomaster, how exactly do you reckon that?

"Those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it, for it is a required course" - oxford university student

well first of all, all the walk awayers could quit running and take back the party, and second make legitimate and permeant changes to the parties platform

I created an saying throughout my debates, tell me what you think. "The reminders of past are there to remind of us our past. People that attempts to erase those reminders has no good intentions, for they are willing to run the risk of repeating it in the future. Only selfish people erase the past in the present without consideration for the future."

yea Tim kinda brought that up in the Silent Sam vid

Lagomaster, I think it would be better if the #walkaway people went and founded a new political party. We need more than just a bipartisan system

I think the entire center should move to a new party

That is why when Tim brought that up... I was squealing with delight.

Well I am a third party advocate

Make it so fast that the Republicans and Democrats can't absorb them

I didn't know how I felt, but I felt vindicated in some sense with my saying that I been saying for years.

I want to try to get the US Intellectual Dark Web to establish one

Id personally call it the Moderate Party

I honestly can't think of a perfect label for the center, they are made of a wide diverse group of people.

I don't think that any party should name themselves after their political leanings, because their overall political leanings would change over time

Were called centrists

Still doesn't describe us accurately.

Centrists have a bad rep

Moderate fits better imo

Moderates lack some kind of special feeling.

Centrists have a bad rep because both sides try to shame them as being idiots who want half of a bad thing

People think of Moderates as average.

because it implies adoption of both left and right policies in a balanced manner

In reality it means they pick and choose their issues and dont have a single political ideology that they support

Oh I know

but average is the voter

It should be called the Socialist Party

-_-

noooooo

get all the people who believe in Socialism to join it :P

Good luck with that

No average american will vote for the socialist party

NO... absolutely no way would I want to be associated with the socialists.

I mean, I was mostly joking

Average Americans are Moderate

I think it's Sweden that has the Pirate Party

yea

lol

How about the Independent Thinkers Party of America?

That's really long for a party name

Good starting point

Now we just need to make it something that isnt ironic

But I think labeling the center is a bad idea.

Id love to hostile take over the Progressive/Bull Moose Party lel

Because it would end up being division along party lines.

Like republicans and democrats became.

Libertarians and Independents arent unified enough

Bull Moose party still exists

If any label I think should fit, it would be "The Citizens"

at least for now

yea they are the progressive party

I think we should dust off the Whig Party name

but they are essentially socialists

WHIGS LOL

Something new must be created

Why isn't the Citizens a good name? I mean they are the citizens of this nation who doesn't ascribe to group think or party lines.

cant use something from the past or well be stuck with the labels of that party

The Citizens Of (Nation's Name)

United Americans Party?

Thats a decent name

Citizens of United States

Citizens of England

Citizens of etc, etc...

It is a group that doesn't ascribe to any party line or group think.

They are the citizens of that nation.

Im still partial to The Moderate Party of America but thats just cause i want to appeal to the common man

Coffee Party

That doesnt really make sense because the point of a political party is to have a group consensus

since Tea Party has already existed

Cofvev party lel

Tea Party lazy imo

I honestly think Trump makes mistakes on purpose so media highlights the policies he wants to be highlighted, get people talking about it aka manipulating the media into doing what he wants.

Greens exist too

lol

*shrugs.*

Mark, that thought had crossed my mind once or twice in the past

Greens are russian interference according to the left

IDW is too fractured to have a clear party line.

If he legitimately uses that tactic, he either uses it sparingly or extremely well

There is always a mistake in the twitter rants, they media always hones in on that in attempt to ridicule him.

I think a better possibility is a grassroots movement.

idk i think that first thing we need to make a new party is a platform and like minded founder membership

That pressures institutions.

You start running for office and it's just a punch out with two massive parties in a system that really only wants 1 or 2.

Idk if id want ALL of the IDW but some maybe

A grassroots movement could change the conversation. Which I think is more important in the long run.

Someone once asked me what would I run on if I was running as a cadidate... do you guys want to see what I wrote?

the biggest hurdle is the first past the post system

Actually, I wonder... there are always the jokes about people being "Ascended" on the political spectrum instead of being on the chart, but they always put that over the exact center of the chart

I actually think the biggest hurdle is connections and fundraising.

Why not become the Ascended Party?

oh def

These things take years to build.

but that may be more possible than we think

And no one is going to contribute to a loser.

Let me find what I wrote... hang on.

we are used to big donors

A grassroots movement is a better 1st step.

but increasingly small donors are becoming popular

Pick particular targets for pressure like universities.

No political party has ever been founded in the information age we live in

that too

If planned well, the party could take over on Social Media and spread quickly

This is what I wrote if I was running as a candidate for senator for my state.

I am going to post it now, don't get mad.

Strong Constitutionalist Independent With Right Leaning
Open Minded When it Comes to Solutions (Flexible)

Domestic Issues:

Revitalizing Our Forgotten Towns (Stop Decay)
Repave All Roads In Oklahoma (Fix Infrastructures, More Jobs)
Encourage Business To Move Here (More Jobs)
Better Spending And Budgeting In State (Stop Over budgets and Delays)
State Elections:

Make It Vital to Have Voter I.D. to Prove Your a Citizens (Don't Want Foreign Interference In Elections)
Only Legal Immigrants Who Been Here For More Than 7 Years Can Vote (Precaution From Foreign Interference)
Immigration:

Campaign In Congress To Streamline Our Immigration System For Legal Immigrants (No More Excuses About It Being Hard)
Encourage Foreign Transfer Students in Our College to Legally Immigrate to Oklahoma! (No Overstay Visas, Become a Citizen)
Discourage Any Illegal Immigrants From Coming to OKlahoma (Oklahoma Citizens Come First)
Schooling:

Increase Funding in Schools, Get Better Text Books That Do Not Have an Bias Slant (I Want to Give the Tools for Students to Succeed, Not Create Sheeps For Politicians)
Encourage Important Figures to Come To Our Schools, Regardless What Political Ideology They Are From (Better Them to Be Exposed to Diversity of Ideas Than to be Closed To No New Ideas)
I Want Our State's Colleges to Get A Major Overhaul, Implant the Best Teaching Methods If I Can For Our Students (No More Political Slants)
Only way to crush bad ideas is to give them a platform, they will crush themselves with their terrible ideas. My platform would only change if there is new issues to handle or if my ideas prove to be unfruitful, I will look for another way to fix issue. I am willing to be flexible when it comes to solutions to fixing our state. That is how I would be if I was running...

Or create a network that brings up particular issues or companies to encourage certain behaviors.

yea being in the information age may give the founding of a new party a head start

i think the IDW would be a valuable asset

You will inevitably get problems, especially with schooling bills

I wonder if Tim is aware that there are actually people planning to potentially start a new political party on his Discord server

For example, North Carolina almost passed a bill funding their schools for a decade

@Dusty Morgan Funding issues for 1. You'd have to raise taxes or something for the roads.

Also, "Get better textbooks that do not have a bias slant" will be immdiately decried as Fascisim.

Then democrats added an amendement that applied gun control across the state to the bill

And you'd be skewered alive by the existing institutions.

lol i mean i have unironically been writing up a platform sooooooo

What, I want history and nothing but history. I don't want any political bias in history class.

So for me trying to make things better for my citizens would get me skewered alive?

Following this they had a sit in at the NC capitol with juice boxes

you will never satisfy everyone

just know that going in

It's impossible to satisfy everyone

The goal is to find a solid base and stick to them while appealing to moderates

I want to give them choices, the tools, and the ability to better thanselves aka equal opportunity.

Dont disallow the press and act like everything you say will end up on the nightly news

END THE TEXTBOOK MONOPLY

sorry

had to

Dont say equal opportunity

Youll go down a bad road very quickly

How?

It's better to appeal to the political center for 2 reasons, as I see things:

1. You get more support if you appeal to the political center
2. Your policies are more balanced if you appeal to the political center

There may be other positives, but I haven't thought of them

*Sighs.* Equal opportunity allows for people the chance to pull themselves out of poverty and earn the life they want to live.

Why is that a bad thing?

Because it will be twisted into something its not

It's also the law as written for now under the 14th amendment.

because of the current dialogue around it i assume

Equality on the other hand is forcing people to be equal.

Dont use taglines, say what you will do

you could argue instead to enforce the 14th

Equal opportunity starts at the family level, before you ever enter school

@Dusty Morgan They now use the word "equity" for that.

Some people have families that can afford books and encourage them to read. Other families dont care/cant afford those books.

Obviously those kids who are encouraged to read will have an unfair advantage over other students

There in, that is why there is the "CHANCE."

Hence there is no equality of opportunity in that situation

They get a chance... when other countries they don't get a chance.

@Dusty Morgan I think a better way to start into the textbooks would be to run on a policy of reducing textbook costs.

"provide better access to educational material" - maybe?

@Blackhawk342 I'd actually emphasize the Equal opportunity angle. It drives a nice wedge and most people (minorities included) really want "equal opportunity" It's only really academics and activists at this point who favor "equity"

Almost everybody agrees that textbooks are way too expensive because the publishers have monopolies on them

But there is a lot of bias being introduced in school books now.

It's a bunch of philosophizing. But it plays well and establishes a point.

its all about playing the game

@Dusty Morgan You have no idea. There are schools Using A People's History of the United States as an unbiased text.

I think the reason text boxes are expensive is because where they are made at.

If you can introduce legislation that forces competition in the textbook market, that forces prices down and will potentially also create less biased textbooks at the same time

Not to mention all the museums reworking themselves for the agenda.

you gotta know how to express things in ways that appeal to your base but arent obvious to the extremes i guess

@Revan Not really. The issue is that writing textbooks is actually pretty hard and unpopular.

Oh that is a great idea Revan, free market tends to drive prices down... but there is the problem with equality of the books.

Textbooks are essentially a monoply

They might cut corners to save money aka miss important lessons.

^

That ^ was for Lagomaster24.

lol

figured

but yea

By the way, I am not running for anything.

You were asking for a bit of a review.

But that is how I think, the general idea on how to make my state better.

the textbook industry needs to anti-trust lawed

I think so too Lagomaster.

One thing you could look into is where the textbooks and tests are being sourced.

There's more than just one industry that needs to be hit with anti-trust laws

See now that is an issue you can definitely go in on

There's really 2 education systems right now.

ISPs, for example

California and TX.

People will whole heartedly support it

Because these are the biggest states.

Also SOLs gotta go

imo

Obviously, you'd want TX. CA is nothing but Social Justice. TX is balanced.

I'm mixed myself... Native American and Caucasion... could never spell that right.

If you want to seggust equality of opportunity go for it

Be prepared to deal with insane people with large followings though

Mark, all you need is an 'a' where you have the 'o' and it's right

its all about how you present it

Coucasion or Caucaoison?

Most midwestern states will choose CA or TX based on politics. But some will choose for financial reasons.