I put proud boys as far right as bernie is far left

antifa is well past bernie

well past DSA

well past no borders and abolish ice

they are full blown violence advocating authoritarians

antifa is just rampant destruction and mob rule

Yet socialists see antifa as not being left enough.

Or at least the ones I've talked to.

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no no no

antifa forums were really angry with DSA

talking about how they are "too liberal"

"You're too kind, for our kind and all loving ways"

US antifa supposedly is more right than EU antifa.

nah, just more cucked

US antifa is larpers

EU antifa is commie death squads

advocating violence

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/96du0k/be_that_guy/

he gonna get keeled

h3h3 was banned for the crime of talking about alex jones. Pretty sure they just went all in with this. No more pretending "ermmm hmm but but but they deserved the ban for hate speech" I think theyre going deep this time.

Yeah, this double standard is nothing new. I'd agree with Tim assessment of Proud Boys being the Bernie supporters of the right. Antifa is a terrorist group but they don't get banned

Then again, Louis Farrakhan is still on Twitter as well lol

I think they pardoned H3H3

yea a couple hours later

they reversed it

So are the government accounts of countries with tons of human rights violations

H3H3 can livestream again?

Westboro Baptist Church is still on Twitter ffs.

H3H3 got the strike removed, so they can proceede as normal

thats good

https://twitter.com/WBCSaysRepent

And so are some terror groups

the left is so biased these days

it's ridiculous

If the left didnt have double standards, they would have none

I wonder how they're going to react after the mid-terms if they get trounced

Probably go full Weather Underground.

But I don't think they'll get trounced. It'll be close.

I've got a feeling the Republicans will get a few more senate seats

The house will be interesting

Yeah the Senate isn't going anywhere so the democrat plan of removing Trump from office is completely cuckoo bananas. They can impeach but not remove. So it's utterly pointless.

And that's all they have. They have no other plan or policy.

Best plan they have besides failing to remove Trump is declare everything free.

And yet they have ~50% of the electorate. Boggles the mind.

There is definitely room for left-wing economic policies, but the democrats are just being silly.

Automation is going to be incredibly disruptive to traditional free market economics and is going to cause significant wealth disparity but instead of trying to grapple with that they just say "everything is free now".

Free healthcare, free university, free housing, free food, free phone, free car, free whatever.

Automation and globalization are going to cause some real dystopian shit in the next decade and the republicans are not able to mentally engage with it due to ideological blindness. It's an opportunity to rebrand themselves that democrats are fucking up.

FREE 💰

The traditional republican reflex of "the free market will fix it" is going to lead to increasing numbers of Americans being priced out of homes and food.

And you're going to see more and more wealth being concentrated in the hands of tech firm owners and investors, and those with the mental acuity to add value in technology sectors.

I don't think that's the kind of society anyone really wants, but there aren't any politicians even thinking about it let alone talking about it.

because such ideas are radical, and they're scared of stepping out of the status quo

why do you think so many reps who were anti trump fel in line?

They were scared and were like "ooh he's weird, we're not like that"

Then they saw it WORKED and people love it, and now they're "ooh yes, we side with Trump, he's our guy see?"

afaik only McCaine is still against Trump, and he's got a brain tumor

Isn't Paul Ryan also anti Trump still?

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I don't think so? Paul Ryan was trumps buddy initially?

Trump supporters hate him.

Preventing society destroying levels of wealth disparity is the kind of problem you want to get ahead of, because if you're merely reacting to it after it has already happened then by definition you're fighting against entrenched wealthy powerful tech firms.

step 1 of humanity,

It is better to be right after the problem,
Than be right BEFORE the problem

I want the migrant crisis solved because being right after the problem will have far greater consequences.

yes

but our glorious leaders don't

Migrant crisis is part of the larger problem. How are illiterate migrants with no skills or capital going to be able to contribute to an economy where all the low-skilled jobs are being eliminated due to automation?

They probably won't

They're going to be competing with citizens for the dwindling number of low-skilled jobs remaining that require human touch.

That's not the goal of the crisis though.

They aren't being brought in for economic reasons.

It's a race-to-the-bottom in terms of wages.

It's for "moral" reasons.

Look at it from this angle:

A leader who has a stable economy, and pre-emptively defeated Islam terrorists,

"Nice, but you wasted tax money on something that MIGHT have happened... what else did you do?"

A leader who rebuilt an economy and defeated terrorists who bombed stuff

"Thank you for saving our economy and saving our lives, you're a hero"

also they're not brought in for moral reasons, they're brought in for votes

IF the overwhelming public was "Fuck those people" and was vocal about it,

You'd have a country that blocks its borders, thats why Hungary and Poland do it

While stupid sobbing female university students in Sweden may justify uncontrolled migration for "moral" reasons, Merkel and her Eurocrats are justifying it as "they'll pay for our retirement".

Which is nonsense, and everyone knows it's nonsense.

I was watching a video about how ungrateful people aren't happy and how people who are ungrateful see themselves as victims. Basically the TDS faction in a nutshell. They don't see how much good Trump has done and how many future issues are being defused preemptively.

oh its true...

It will be an "early retirement" though 😉

Left unchecked what'll happen is massive wealth concentration and a return to something akin to feudalism, with moneyed lords living head and shoulders above teeming masses living at bare subsistence.

aristocracy

Aren't the coasts of the US basically an aristocracy now?

Not quite that bad, but heading that way.

yeah

CA is ran by the Hollywood Elite

NY is ran by the Wall Street Elite

Silicon Valley vs. junkies living in tents under overpasses.

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To be fair, SF does basically encourage homelessness

SF is an extreme, yes. Caused mostly by their own mismanagement and stupidity.

whens this Unite the Right rally again?

But it's illustrative.

When self-driving cars are mainstream, and Google Duplex has eliminated phone support and receptionists, and kiosk ordering has been deployed at most restaurants, and drone delivery is feasible, that's when the disruption in low-skill employment will start to happen. So not too far off.

People pushed out of those sectors are going to be numbered in the millions, and they'll be forced to compete in other low-skilled sectors that are more difficult to automate.

Forcing down wages in those areas.

and then, self-driving cars will kill suspected Nazi's by intentionally driving them to their deaths 🤔

Jobs that will remain will be those for which a human touch is desired. Like healthcare, or childcare and education.

Wages will be driven down in those sectors, which is both a negative and a potential positive.

Negative in that the people doing those jobs will, all else being equal, be more miserable.

Potential positive in that if you reduce the price of something, you can buy more of it for the same money.

A society that has more nurses, home care workers, physiotherapists, primary school teachers, daycare workers, etc, is probably a pretty good society.

Education is gonna fade, it doesn't need a human touch

Assuming you can keep those people from hating their lives due to oppressive poverty.

@Dr.Wol college level yes. K-12 probably not.

you can get homeschooling for that

Kids in front of screens aren't going to learn shit you want them to learn.

That's another thing.

If wages are really low, you might see stay-at-home parenting become competitive (assuming one parent has a tech job).

Like why should a software engineer making half a million bucks have their partner wiping old people's bums for a living making $20k.

exactly

so with that, comes less need for primary schooling

Only for those who have one parent making sufficient moeny.

Two people making $20k aren't going to be able to afford to have one stay at home.

At least in the current market paradigm. We're going to have to figure something out that augments the free market in order to bring about a societal structure that we can bear.

space colonisation / mining

Doesn't help. Who owns the capital?

companies

And the couple scraping by on $40k combined income ain't going to be holding much stock.

much like how the family of military people get full cover for everything, cuz those soldiers lay their lives on the line,

You will get companies that pay for hazard pay in space etc good money

Military people get less than you'd think, and only because governments can print money.

Remember: we're thinking about a world in which human labor is even cheaper than now.

Companies will have market power.

They can fuck whoever they want for whatever they want.

My dad got really good money and amazing benefits

governments can't just print money, that will destroy the currency

It'll be a permanent employer's market.

What's the US deficit again?

the deficit it owes itself you mean?

if it could print money like that, it wouldn't have a deficit

the whole reason there IS a deficit is cuz the government CAN'T just print money to cover costs

and that is WHY those military people get less, because the government can't afford it

but if a company can earn Trillions by strip-mining asteroids, its not gonna care about racking out a few extra million for hazard pay

Look into Khan's education system, that will be the future

I think talking about strip-mining asteroids is deflecting from the problem we're facing in the near future.

Sci-fi hand-waving.

i'll grant you the term is far fetched,

That doesn't take away the future of economy after labor jobs are automated, lies in the stars

If anyone is freaking out about automated Jobs the solution or at least a big part of it is quite simple

Or in war

90% of the labor people aren't fit for higher education,

They need simple jobs

so either give them a drill or a gun

Shorter work weeks

This whole conversation is something that should be happening as part of the national political dialogue. Instead we get "free healthcare, free university, free housing, free this, free that".

Thats because its more appealing

"free"

"You get another job" sounds awful compared to

"You get free housing and education"

thats why the Universal Basic Income is such a non-debate

people all talk about it

No one debates about the truth which is that its unsustainable

its all just wishful thinking to sway the guillible masses

Certainly even if necessary the conditions are way off from now

UBI can't work, but I think negative income tax is worth exploring.

dafuq is negative income tax?

Work is still required; it's just that your income is augmented.

so just higher wages?

Or cutting the tax you have to pay to SS?

Let's say that $35k is deemed subsistence income, and that you have a labor income of $25k. You would receive monthly tax credits totaling $10k.

Rather negative income would probably take for SS then givre you money from a different pool

SS is a different beast.

It shouldn't exist.

Ponzi scheme.

so subsidiaries?

Subsidies?

yes

I guess.

English not my 1st Language 😛

Is Federal government funding this?

Ideally this would be state level.

But I don't know if that would work.

Subsidies don't work, the netherlands have them,

The people become convinced they're entitled to the money, as a bonus

And then complain their regular income is too low, completely forgetting they're getting extra money already

I don't know if any of this would work.

Do you offer this to people who choose to live in expensive areas?

The subsistence level wouldn't really permit them to survive there, but sure.

This isn't meant to insulate people from bad decisions.

I don't know if this would work, but I think it would be a better solution than UBI or the free market forcing a return to feudalism.

free market wouldn't create feudalism

There's nothing about a free market that requires a middle class.

Well if they would be able to comfortably live somewhere cheaper at 25k what's to stop them from spending an extra 10k just to have a more expesive lifestyle, ie. Living in the city

you generate the middle class, by having more work than workers

The work is automated.

so companies are forced to pay more for the better people

There isn't more work than workers.

hence my two solutions,

Space colonisation

Warfare

You either find them a new place to work labor-ish

Or you have them kill each other

"Space colonization" isn't a solution. It's magic as far as this conversation is concerned.

"A wizard did it" basically.

you know, i had that argument used against me when places like Patreon started

and youtube monetization

"No one will pay for that"

How's that doing these days.

ask Tim, he seems to be holding on well enough

"well enough" in that he's not starving. I don't think Tim is thriving.

How much travel is the guy doing these days?

How much is there to travel TO these days?

Tim already said he wont go to extremist rallies, only to neutral ones

or Sargon, he's not going anywhere, and earning enough

Tim makes really good money from what I understand

and dozens of famous pundits etc

granted the entry market is shrinking for YT and Punditry

Extra money goes to improving his content

So this justifies faith in space colonization solving economic problems that will happen in our lifetimes....

This is not a convincing argument.

neither is your "Oh I dont see it happening, so its magic" argument

Dozens of pundits are not starving due to patreon, therefore ???

Elon Musk, notorious optimist, claims that one-way travel to Mars will cost $250,000 in current dollars by 2050.

Being a little more realistic I think we can say that merely traveling to another planet will still be outside the means of a low-skilled worker for the remainder of my lifetime at least. Let alone being able to afford the cost of living there without a skill.

thats only cuz theres no race to get there ASAP

So Joe Truckdriver ain't going to get a ticket to Mars to solve his financial problems.

This is a nonsense argument.

Nor is he going to get Patreon support.

You realise it took less than 20 years to get to the moon right? Cuz we finally wanted to

I think I'm a little better positioned than Joe Truckdriver to survive in the coming economy, but if I had to live off Patreon money I think I'd starve.

How many people live on the moon.

This is silly.

Thats so not the point

Yes it is

Zero money is generated on the moon.

yes and thats not the point

You are being silly.

the point was that you can easily upgrade space-flight if you just get a competitive market for it

Why not talk about replicators and warp drives \

now who's being silly

Or fucking stargates

We could all just warp to a new planet.

"Oh i don't see it happening, therefore it must be impossibruuu"

Wanna go pray to the sky-gods for rain too?

There could be a competitive market for stargates.

We could have Apple stargates that would be white glossly plastic, and Google stargates that could be all matte black.

so your argument is, You saw Star Trek on tv, therefore space flight is impossible

No I'm very bullish on SpaceX. But it's not in any way shape or form a solution to problems in the labor market coming in the next ten years.

This is happening right now.

Space colonization is not going to happen in our lifetimes.

You're the one using SpaceX as the template

The next generation might see small bases. The generation after that might see self-sustaining.

so 20 years?

But we have to deal with the real world now, and waving your hands and saying SPACE is not real.

50 years is self-sustaining, got it

I'm going to stop talking to you now because it's clear you're not a serious person.

You're the one who can't even get his arguments straight

you do know a generation is ~25 years right?

so by your own words, you have self-sustaining bases in 50 years

thats atleast MY lifetime, maybe not for you

but hey, keep on believing in TV

fun fact, I'm talking to you by electrocuting Sand 😉

Poor sand 🙁

you're doing it too! 😛

Silicone... IS PEOPLE!! i mean...

IS SAND!!

Do love your argumenting Atkins

"You think Sci-fi!"
"Lets build stargate"
"I'm gonna stop arguing cuz you're not serious"

I think we should build something feasible first, like a Death Star

but Antifa will fire torpedos into the core 😦

Nah, it'd be intelligence agencies that do that. Antifa would be banging on the side panels and wondering why nothing was happening