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It’s funny; there were these guys who were “totally not anti-Semites” who said Isreal would fall in the next coming decades
Which I find unlikely, as; Egypt is an Isreali ally, as is Jordan, and Syria won’t be in shape to contest the Golan heights for decades
Israel was able to stomp all rivaling countries in six days, and if needed can mobilize a large chunk of its population.
What do you think about all the stuff over Isreal and Palestine; I have a isreali friend so I think I might be biased towards the Israelites but I’ve heard from other sources that there have been egregious crimes against the Palestinian population from Isreal
And I don’t want to discount the accounts of Palestinian people
Nihilism is cancer.
Honestly it ultimately isn't a pretty situation either way you look.
I've never seen someone 100% anything on any of these tests
I got turbo middle ground on that one though, iirc
Israel is a shit show.
and it is partly our fault
I believe Israeli occupation is a result of Palestinian aggression, and that is true. The argument there though is that ultimately the Israelis never had a right to be a state in the first place
No they really didn't
I hope the muslims overrun isreal and destroy every last man woman and child there
Although the Israeli people were there originally it has been largely palestinian muslim territory since its conquest shortly after the death of Muhammad
but well, that goose is already cooked.
what are we going to do?
Move the entire country to Utah?
I mean, we can.
You're not going to unmake the state, and it isn't going to fall to foreign invasion anytime soon
So the argument comes down to who do you believe has a more legitimate claim to the land? To me I look at the situation practically and see that Islam is a religion antithetical to western values and those who support Palestine often do so more for a hate out of jews rather than a support for palestinian muslims.
Well Dvir, it isn't even that.
Look, we can remove Jewish rule and authority in the Middle East, or we can remove Muslims from the Middle East.
That argument ended the moment the UN stuck their dick in it
Or we can just let there be war and conflict.
so we have the choice of "let the Jews be completely exterminated" or not.
Well you are an idiot then
Genocide is generally frowned upon.
because the wholesale extermination of a people is idiotic
Well, not *necessarily*.
other than feelings?
I mean self determination states that all peoples have the right to choose how to govern themselves; and thus how can we deny the Jews the right to have a state? I don’t necessarily think that Isreal’s current location was a bad place to start one either, as Palestine has been usually sparsely populated for much of its history after the Jewish exodus. I think the biggest issue was the conflict over Jerusalem itself, that in retrospect probably should have been left to a international/co-faith administration
>I want a moral and historical basis for my government yeeting a demographic for people who want them dead anyway
>this couldn't possibly backfire
Though the Arab invasion threw that out the window
So we are left where we stand
@nAn00k because "Kill them cause we don't like em." sets a really bad precedent for the future descisions.
>implying thats not how things are historically done
Nationalism is treason.
>implying that how things are historically done is how we should do them going forewards.
Okay guys, we always shit in the ground instead of doilets
lets keep doing that
>governments regularly empower their enemies by committing genocide
I ate like... a 1x3mm sliver of what I thought was a scotch bonnet
not so sure it was
What's the shitting streets of india are called?
because my whole stomach is on fire
Note too that Palestine leadership is terrorists
"we always back isreal and now 70% of the world hates us lets keep doing that"
at the moment
Yeah... this is going to be nice.
the whole railroad
Antifa is going to love this.
"We (the west) caused this mess, and now it is either going to end with all the Jews dead or not."
>.>... I am going to love seeing what happens.
>ME is 70% of the world
>ME is going to do *anything* against America's militay
Fuckers need to realize there is more than one police officer and they are not built like a kung fu master. >.>
>making geopolitical decsions based on feelings of guilt
Y u haet the juce?
He takes down one officer, the rest come in and beat the shit out of him with several more patrons.
Then haul his ass away and put into prison for assault on a police officer.
Attacking a law officer is never a good idea
I mean, just abandoning an entire group wouldn't exactly be a good sign for anyone else who would be wanting to ally with us.
Unless you are in France
It is something I would certainly look at when choosing to ally with a nation.
Attacking french policeman is not punished
I am just saying... these how to defend yourself against riot police really isn't smart.
Let them try
How much funding does Israel genuinely need to stay dominant in the area?
I need a dose of antifa fails in my life
I mean obviously allying Isreal doesn’t ruin all of our opportunities to work with Muslim nation’s
We’re allies with Saudi Arabia(though we should have invaded them instead of Iraq), we work with Pakistan and Afghanistan
Can we convince jews to colonise Mars?
Would satisfy everyone I think
Love how this video makes fun of both sides at times.
@Emperor of USA We could end our alliance with Saudi Arabia if we got our energy policy straight.
It seems to not be either left or right, just makes fun of the exchanges between both sides on the internet.
disclaimer for the humour-impaired: it is a joke
having allies in goverments is not the same thing as allied peoples
I am not saying it's alliens...
Its aliens.... it is always aliens.
We have lizard people running the world.
And revolting against Trump.
They hate Trump... Trump stands up against lizard people.
Hillary is not a Lizard Person
That is an insult to actual Lizard people
Hillary is a defective drone
@ryuplaneswalker your correct; though TBF turning their dessert into sand and conquering them would give us all the oil we need
At this point I'm willing to entertain the idea that HRC is involved in some kind of demonic possession.
And end their funding of radical mosques globally
But then we have to lke..
hold the place
and I dun wanna do that.
Give it to Israel :^)
@Bookworm Well, the rich of this world do attend some satanic ceremonies... maybe it does work
Tfw tim supports trans ageism 🤔 <:TimThink:482277772497125378>
@Beemann switch that with the Iraqi Kurds and yeah that would be my idea.
it is really amazing those folks like us at all considering the shit we pulled in the Gulf War.
Any major groups that aren't Goddamned commies?
Beemann - the Iraqi ones aren't
the Turkish and the Iraqi ones are waaay different
they don't even speak the same language IIRC
Your probably right that another war in the Middle East would just be a waste of money at this point; but I think the Middle East would have been a much different place if we hit the heart of Sunni terrorism, rather than attacking one of the only secular states in the Middle East
Turkish language is unique
Make Iran Zoroastrian Again tbh
It is the only one in its language branch
Make Iran Manichaean, basically reformed Zoroastrianism
They even got their own Jesus, the Prophet Mani
Tumblr bans 99% of their content.
I understand that incest isn’t *actually* a tenant of Zoroastrianism, but I played too much CK2
Make iran Persia again
Was about to ask
Besides, it isn't like the feudal Christians were that much better
But Persia was always Iran @Uksio; Persia is just what the Greeks called Persia
And that spread to the Wes t
KEEP THE BLOODLINE PURE
To be fair, the Hapsburgs were an exception to the general rule of medieval marriage, and even back then cousin marriage was a sin: it’s just corrupt church officials allowed it
With enough bribes
@Emperor of USA Duuh, no shit Sherlock. But what i mean by that is the period of their prosperity when they were effectively secular trade empire, and not a religious zealot state
Yeah but Iran came to have this new common western name under the Pahlavis that turned it into a secular trade empire
And they are not that any more
Modern Iran is *far* from secular. As theistic of a state as they come.
Ofc; were talking about the last Imperial Iranian dysnatyv
Did you just badmouth the feudal Christians and then link a picture of Charles II?
I myself am not too fond of secularism and prefer a pluralist state over a secular, theistic, or atheistic one.
This is some awesome stuff
It is now hate speech to criticize the government
Ironically the “oppressive” Pahalavis were one of the most secular states in the Middle East
Lol its 1984ism
You know... I saw that coming Zuihou.
A state is better off maintaining a religious stance while allowing the existence of any and all other religions that share the same fundamental values.
If they can criminalize hate speech, what is stopping them from making the government a protected class.
If I remember correctly the Mohammad Reza Shah even gave the population dividends of the oil industry
The line between secular and pluralist is fine, and I would argue the United States is a judeo-christian pluralist state, not a secular one.
My elite privlidge
Though he was still an oppressive dictator that was heavily influenced by American oil companies
what does judaism have to do with the US?
Any ideology can become dictatorial or tyrannical if those that follow it make the mental leaps.
imo, the US is a christian nation
I would say that it is overall, but it is compatible with judaic ethics
The laws for both come from the same source
jews dont really fit in with the free speech part
Actually United States were founded on secular ideals, but the founding fathers were Christians with a few that are Atheist.
Many jews believe in free speech
They agreed that religion when mixed with government is bad.
oh yeah? what about criticizing israel?
Separation of church and state.
Anarchy seems to end up being gang like in theory and practice; where they essentially kill everyone that doesn’t want anarchy
*“We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”*
Criticizing Israel is legal
And it devolves into Stalinism
Anarchy can end up with one group dominating the rest.
That statement to me doesn't sound like one coming from a secular state
yeah but jews also think its anti semitic
If you basically do anything to compromise anarchy, you will be punished.
Thinking it is anti-semitic doesn't mean it shouldnt be allowed
So it can end up as a dicatorship
Let’s not forget that for a society that can function anarchisticly, it must be homogenous
Today I learned decentralization of power = anarchy
its ridiculous to call it anti semitism in the first place
Which you know what that means kiddies; genocide
Good to know it's all federal or bust
Actually decentralization of power doesn't mean anarchy.
To criticize it no, but often the criticisms are founded on anti jewish sentiment
It means there that the government doesn't have too much power.
There is a government.
Right, and that was my point
secondly, anti semitism carries a hefty... connotation
as if its "hating jews" ... while ... criticizing
israel, and hating jews, are 2 completely different things
I would agree
IF there is no government, what is there to decentralize?
Not all people who hate israel hate jews, all people who hate jews hate israel
I wonder if a Arab who says “I want to kill white Christians” will he arrested for hate crime
because jews keep saying israel is a jewish nation
I consider Anarchy as starting from scratch, because eventually some centralize power or form of government will form.
Well Israel is a jewish nation
which is ethno nationalism
so most jews are ethno nationalist?
It is inevitable.... people don't always agree.
“Jew” isn’t necessarily a ethnicity
They band together to protect themselves.
Look at the beta Isreali
Basically that is how governments were formed.
So you are once again relying on jewish ethnicity argument even though there are multiple jewish ethnicities
They are all black
Like how there are multiple christian ethnicities
i dont think i can
dont you need a jewish mother?
to become full jew?
Your nation have a majority of a certain race doesn't make that nation a Ethno state..
Also the Jewish “ethnicity” allows a level of intermarriage with other Populations
That is only a thing in mainly orthodox jewish denominations
But it does make it that race state... because it is made up of that race.
can i move to israel, if i tell them im jewish?
probably not ay...
Like European nations and United States are considered White nations.
If you had a Rabbi and a Synagogue and similar credentials probably
Because they are made up majority of white race.
There are Arab citizens of Isreal
But there are other races there.
is this accurate?
But in the same vein ethnic jews who are messianic jews were denied right of return
An full blown Ethno State means there is no room for other races in that state.
All other races will be ran out.
I'm not dissapointed yet
United STates is honestly becoming more and more... Mix Race state.
I probably wouldn't be accepted purely on the right of return since I am a judeo-christian with aramaean ancestry, but I could still become an Israeli citizen, I am just not guaranteed citizenship because of my background
Basically no full races, just mixs.
Basically a nation of mutts.
Israel is a ethno nationalist state
and im fine with that, but let other nations be ethno nationalist as well pls...
but then all of the sudden, jews come out of there woodworks claiming "oy vey that will be like another shoah"
I consider Israeli to a religious state, with one primary religion that dominates.
You seem to have the habit of characterizing an entire religion with a single opinion and attitude