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2018-12-04 02:18:46 UTC

It’s funny; there were these guys who were “totally not anti-Semites” who said Isreal would fall in the next coming decades

2018-12-04 02:19:29 UTC

Which I find unlikely, as; Egypt is an Isreali ally, as is Jordan, and Syria won’t be in shape to contest the Golan heights for decades

2018-12-04 02:20:08 UTC

Israel was able to stomp all rivaling countries in six days, and if needed can mobilize a large chunk of its population.

2018-12-04 02:21:10 UTC

What do you think about all the stuff over Isreal and Palestine; I have a isreali friend so I think I might be biased towards the Israelites but I’ve heard from other sources that there have been egregious crimes against the Palestinian population from Isreal

2018-12-04 02:21:41 UTC

And I don’t want to discount the accounts of Palestinian people

2018-12-04 02:23:15 UTC

Nihilism is cancer.

2018-12-04 02:23:43 UTC


2018-12-04 02:23:49 UTC

Honestly it ultimately isn't a pretty situation either way you look.

2018-12-04 02:24:01 UTC

I've never seen someone 100% anything on any of these tests

2018-12-04 02:24:16 UTC

I got turbo middle ground on that one though, iirc

2018-12-04 02:24:34 UTC

Israel is a shit show.

2018-12-04 02:24:43 UTC

and it is partly our fault

2018-12-04 02:24:43 UTC

I believe Israeli occupation is a result of Palestinian aggression, and that is true. The argument there though is that ultimately the Israelis never had a right to be a state in the first place

2018-12-04 02:25:18 UTC

No they really didn't

2018-12-04 02:25:24 UTC

I hope the muslims overrun isreal and destroy every last man woman and child there

2018-12-04 02:25:25 UTC

Although the Israeli people were there originally it has been largely palestinian muslim territory since its conquest shortly after the death of Muhammad

2018-12-04 02:25:32 UTC

but well, that goose is already cooked.

2018-12-04 02:25:43 UTC


2018-12-04 02:25:45 UTC

what are we going to do?

2018-12-04 02:25:52 UTC

Move the entire country to Utah?

2018-12-04 02:26:00 UTC

I mean, we can.

2018-12-04 02:26:01 UTC

You're not going to unmake the state, and it isn't going to fall to foreign invasion anytime soon

2018-12-04 02:26:25 UTC

@Bookworm would that mean Nethenhau is Thor?

2018-12-04 02:26:57 UTC

So the argument comes down to who do you believe has a more legitimate claim to the land? To me I look at the situation practically and see that Islam is a religion antithetical to western values and those who support Palestine often do so more for a hate out of jews rather than a support for palestinian muslims.

2018-12-04 02:27:17 UTC

Well Dvir, it isn't even that.

2018-12-04 02:27:21 UTC

Look, we can remove Jewish rule and authority in the Middle East, or we can remove Muslims from the Middle East.

2018-12-04 02:27:29 UTC

That argument ended the moment the UN stuck their dick in it

2018-12-04 02:27:31 UTC

Or we can just let there be war and conflict.

2018-12-04 02:27:42 UTC

so we have the choice of "let the Jews be completely exterminated" or not.

2018-12-04 02:27:50 UTC

THe former

2018-12-04 02:27:54 UTC


2018-12-04 02:28:01 UTC

Well you are an idiot then

2018-12-04 02:28:05 UTC


2018-12-04 02:28:15 UTC

Genocide is generally frowned upon.

2018-12-04 02:28:20 UTC

because the wholesale extermination of a people is idiotic

2018-12-04 02:28:27 UTC


2018-12-04 02:28:29 UTC

Well, not *necessarily*.

2018-12-04 02:28:31 UTC

But usually.

2018-12-04 02:28:34 UTC

other than feelings?

2018-12-04 02:28:55 UTC


2018-12-04 02:29:05 UTC

I mean self determination states that all peoples have the right to choose how to govern themselves; and thus how can we deny the Jews the right to have a state? I don’t necessarily think that Isreal’s current location was a bad place to start one either, as Palestine has been usually sparsely populated for much of its history after the Jewish exodus. I think the biggest issue was the conflict over Jerusalem itself, that in retrospect probably should have been left to a international/co-faith administration

2018-12-04 02:29:25 UTC

>I want a moral and historical basis for my government yeeting a demographic for people who want them dead anyway
>this couldn't possibly backfire

2018-12-04 02:30:00 UTC

Though the Arab invasion threw that out the window

2018-12-04 02:30:05 UTC

So we are left where we stand

2018-12-04 02:30:26 UTC

@nAn00k because "Kill them cause we don't like em." sets a really bad precedent for the future descisions.

2018-12-04 02:30:45 UTC

>implying thats not how things are historically done

2018-12-04 02:30:53 UTC

Nationalism is treason.

2018-12-04 02:31:06 UTC

>implying that how things are historically done is how we should do them going forewards.

2018-12-04 02:31:16 UTC

Okay guys, we always shit in the ground instead of doilets

2018-12-04 02:31:19 UTC

lets keep doing that

2018-12-04 02:31:32 UTC

>governments regularly empower their enemies by committing genocide

2018-12-04 02:31:38 UTC

woooooo lad

2018-12-04 02:31:42 UTC


2018-12-04 02:31:48 UTC

I ate like... a 1x3mm sliver of what I thought was a scotch bonnet

2018-12-04 02:31:53 UTC

not so sure it was

2018-12-04 02:31:56 UTC

What's the shitting streets of india are called?

2018-12-04 02:31:57 UTC

because my whole stomach is on fire

2018-12-04 02:31:59 UTC

Note too that Palestine leadership is terrorists

2018-12-04 02:31:59 UTC

I forgot

2018-12-04 02:32:00 UTC

"we always back isreal and now 70% of the world hates us lets keep doing that"

2018-12-04 02:32:07 UTC

at the moment

2018-12-04 02:32:09 UTC

@Uksio it's called the railroad

2018-12-04 02:32:13 UTC

Yeah... this is going to be nice.

2018-12-04 02:32:13 UTC

No Nanook.

2018-12-04 02:32:15 UTC

the whole railroad

2018-12-04 02:32:20 UTC

Antifa is going to love this.

2018-12-04 02:32:36 UTC

"We (the west) caused this mess, and now it is either going to end with all the Jews dead or not."

2018-12-04 02:32:41 UTC

>.>... I am going to love seeing what happens.

2018-12-04 02:32:55 UTC

>ME is 70% of the world
>ME is going to do *anything* against America's militay

2018-12-04 02:32:56 UTC

Fuckers need to realize there is more than one police officer and they are not built like a kung fu master. >.>

2018-12-04 02:33:22 UTC

>making geopolitical decsions based on feelings of guilt

2018-12-04 02:33:30 UTC

Y u haet the juce?

2018-12-04 02:33:34 UTC

He takes down one officer, the rest come in and beat the shit out of him with several more patrons.

2018-12-04 02:33:51 UTC

Then haul his ass away and put into prison for assault on a police officer.

2018-12-04 02:33:58 UTC

Attacking a law officer is never a good idea

2018-12-04 02:34:00 UTC

I mean, just abandoning an entire group wouldn't exactly be a good sign for anyone else who would be wanting to ally with us.

2018-12-04 02:34:05 UTC

Unless you are in France

2018-12-04 02:34:14 UTC

It is something I would certainly look at when choosing to ally with a nation.

2018-12-04 02:34:17 UTC

Attacking french policeman is not punished

2018-12-04 02:34:22 UTC

I am just saying... these how to defend yourself against riot police really isn't smart.

2018-12-04 02:34:36 UTC

Let them try

2018-12-04 02:34:44 UTC

How much funding does Israel genuinely need to stay dominant in the area?

2018-12-04 02:34:49 UTC

I need a dose of antifa fails in my life

2018-12-04 02:35:25 UTC

I mean obviously allying Isreal doesn’t ruin all of our opportunities to work with Muslim nation’s

2018-12-04 02:35:48 UTC

We’re allies with Saudi Arabia(though we should have invaded them instead of Iraq), we work with Pakistan and Afghanistan

2018-12-04 02:35:53 UTC

Can we convince jews to colonise Mars?

2018-12-04 02:36:05 UTC

Would satisfy everyone I think

2018-12-04 02:36:26 UTC

Love how this video makes fun of both sides at times.

2018-12-04 02:36:30 UTC


2018-12-04 02:36:32 UTC

@Emperor of USA We could end our alliance with Saudi Arabia if we got our energy policy straight.

2018-12-04 02:36:43 UTC

It seems to not be either left or right, just makes fun of the exchanges between both sides on the internet.

2018-12-04 02:36:44 UTC

disclaimer for the humour-impaired: it is a joke

2018-12-04 02:37:06 UTC

having allies in goverments is not the same thing as allied peoples

2018-12-04 02:37:33 UTC

I am not saying it's alliens...

2018-12-04 02:38:01 UTC

Its aliens.... it is always aliens.

2018-12-04 02:38:06 UTC

We have lizard people running the world.

2018-12-04 02:38:09 UTC

And revolting against Trump.

2018-12-04 02:38:11 UTC

Now now

2018-12-04 02:38:16 UTC

They hate Trump... Trump stands up against lizard people.

2018-12-04 02:38:17 UTC

Hillary is not a Lizard Person

2018-12-04 02:38:23 UTC

That is an insult to actual Lizard people

2018-12-04 02:38:41 UTC

Hillary is a defective drone

2018-12-04 02:38:51 UTC

@ryuplaneswalker your correct; though TBF turning their dessert into sand and conquering them would give us all the oil we need

2018-12-04 02:38:52 UTC

At this point I'm willing to entertain the idea that HRC is involved in some kind of demonic possession.

2018-12-04 02:39:05 UTC

And end their funding of radical mosques globally

2018-12-04 02:39:19 UTC

But then we have to lke..

2018-12-04 02:39:20 UTC

hold the place

2018-12-04 02:39:24 UTC

and I dun wanna do that.

2018-12-04 02:39:31 UTC

Give it to Israel :^)

2018-12-04 02:39:37 UTC

@Bookworm Well, the rich of this world do attend some satanic ceremonies... maybe it does work

2018-12-04 02:39:50 UTC

Tfw tim supports trans ageism 🤔 <:TimThink:482277772497125378>

2018-12-04 02:39:59 UTC

@Beemann switch that with the Iraqi Kurds and yeah that would be my idea.

2018-12-04 02:40:14 UTC

it is really amazing those folks like us at all considering the shit we pulled in the Gulf War.

2018-12-04 02:40:31 UTC

Any major groups that aren't Goddamned commies?

2018-12-04 02:40:42 UTC

Beemann - the Iraqi ones aren't

2018-12-04 02:40:48 UTC


2018-12-04 02:40:50 UTC

the Turkish and the Iraqi ones are waaay different

2018-12-04 02:41:00 UTC

they don't even speak the same language IIRC

2018-12-04 02:41:22 UTC

Your probably right that another war in the Middle East would just be a waste of money at this point; but I think the Middle East would have been a much different place if we hit the heart of Sunni terrorism, rather than attacking one of the only secular states in the Middle East

2018-12-04 02:41:41 UTC

Turkish language is unique

2018-12-04 02:41:44 UTC

Make Iran Zoroastrian Again tbh

2018-12-04 02:41:55 UTC

It is the only one in its language branch

2018-12-04 02:42:02 UTC

Make Iran Manichaean, basically reformed Zoroastrianism

2018-12-04 02:42:08 UTC


2018-12-04 02:42:20 UTC


2018-12-04 02:42:43 UTC

They even got their own Jesus, the Prophet Mani


2018-12-04 02:43:03 UTC

I understand that incest isn’t *actually* a tenant of Zoroastrianism, but I played too much CK2

2018-12-04 02:43:05 UTC

Make iran Persia again

2018-12-04 02:43:10 UTC


2018-12-04 02:43:33 UTC

Was about to ask

2018-12-04 02:43:51 UTC

Besides, it isn't like the feudal Christians were that much better

2018-12-04 02:44:13 UTC

But Persia was always Iran @Uksio; Persia is just what the Greeks called Persia

2018-12-04 02:44:17 UTC

And that spread to the Wes t

2018-12-04 02:44:33 UTC



2018-12-04 02:45:54 UTC

@xorgy Rip Tumblr

2018-12-04 02:45:56 UTC

To be fair, the Hapsburgs were an exception to the general rule of medieval marriage, and even back then cousin marriage was a sin: it’s just corrupt church officials allowed it

2018-12-04 02:46:00 UTC

With enough bribes

2018-12-04 02:46:00 UTC

@Emperor of USA Duuh, no shit Sherlock. But what i mean by that is the period of their prosperity when they were effectively secular trade empire, and not a religious zealot state

2018-12-04 02:46:40 UTC

Yeah but Iran came to have this new common western name under the Pahlavis that turned it into a secular trade empire

2018-12-04 02:47:04 UTC

And they are not that any more

2018-12-04 02:47:15 UTC

Modern Iran is *far* from secular. As theistic of a state as they come.

2018-12-04 02:47:49 UTC

Ofc; were talking about the last Imperial Iranian dysnatyv

2018-12-04 02:47:49 UTC

Did you just badmouth the feudal Christians and then link a picture of Charles II?

2018-12-04 02:48:14 UTC

I myself am not too fond of secularism and prefer a pluralist state over a secular, theistic, or atheistic one.

2018-12-04 02:48:20 UTC

This is some awesome stuff

2018-12-04 02:48:42 UTC

It is now hate speech to criticize the government

2018-12-04 02:49:02 UTC

Ironically the “oppressive” Pahalavis were one of the most secular states in the Middle East

2018-12-04 02:49:09 UTC

Lol its 1984ism

2018-12-04 02:49:09 UTC

You know... I saw that coming Zuihou.

2018-12-04 02:49:47 UTC

A state is better off maintaining a religious stance while allowing the existence of any and all other religions that share the same fundamental values.

2018-12-04 02:49:57 UTC

If they can criminalize hate speech, what is stopping them from making the government a protected class.

2018-12-04 02:50:00 UTC

If I remember correctly the Mohammad Reza Shah even gave the population dividends of the oil industry

2018-12-04 02:50:14 UTC

The line between secular and pluralist is fine, and I would argue the United States is a judeo-christian pluralist state, not a secular one.

2018-12-04 02:50:22 UTC

My elite privlidge

2018-12-04 02:50:28 UTC

Though he was still an oppressive dictator that was heavily influenced by American oil companies

2018-12-04 02:50:37 UTC

what does judaism have to do with the US?

2018-12-04 02:51:08 UTC

Any ideology can become dictatorial or tyrannical if those that follow it make the mental leaps.

2018-12-04 02:51:20 UTC

imo, the US is a christian nation

2018-12-04 02:51:47 UTC

I would say that it is overall, but it is compatible with judaic ethics

2018-12-04 02:52:03 UTC

The laws for both come from the same source

2018-12-04 02:52:08 UTC

jews dont really fit in with the free speech part

2018-12-04 02:52:10 UTC

@Dusty Morgan what about ideologies focused on decentralized power?

2018-12-04 02:52:19 UTC

Actually United States were founded on secular ideals, but the founding fathers were Christians with a few that are Atheist.

2018-12-04 02:52:21 UTC

Many jews believe in free speech

2018-12-04 02:52:39 UTC

They agreed that religion when mixed with government is bad.

2018-12-04 02:52:45 UTC

oh yeah? what about criticizing israel?

2018-12-04 02:52:51 UTC

Separation of church and state.

2018-12-04 02:52:54 UTC

Anarchy seems to end up being gang like in theory and practice; where they essentially kill everyone that doesn’t want anarchy

2018-12-04 02:52:56 UTC

*“We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”*

2018-12-04 02:52:57 UTC

Criticizing Israel is legal

2018-12-04 02:53:00 UTC

And it devolves into Stalinism

2018-12-04 02:53:10 UTC

Anarchy can end up with one group dominating the rest.

2018-12-04 02:53:12 UTC

That statement to me doesn't sound like one coming from a secular state

2018-12-04 02:53:17 UTC

yeah but jews also think its anti semitic

2018-12-04 02:53:29 UTC

If you basically do anything to compromise anarchy, you will be punished.

2018-12-04 02:53:33 UTC

Thinking it is anti-semitic doesn't mean it shouldnt be allowed

2018-12-04 02:53:34 UTC

So it can end up as a dicatorship

2018-12-04 02:53:38 UTC


2018-12-04 02:53:49 UTC

Let’s not forget that for a society that can function anarchisticly, it must be homogenous

2018-12-04 02:53:50 UTC

Today I learned decentralization of power = anarchy

2018-12-04 02:53:52 UTC

its ridiculous to call it anti semitism in the first place

2018-12-04 02:53:59 UTC

Which you know what that means kiddies; genocide

2018-12-04 02:54:06 UTC

Good to know it's all federal or bust

2018-12-04 02:54:11 UTC

Actually decentralization of power doesn't mean anarchy.

2018-12-04 02:54:13 UTC

To criticize it no, but often the criticisms are founded on anti jewish sentiment

2018-12-04 02:54:20 UTC

It means there that the government doesn't have too much power.

2018-12-04 02:54:24 UTC

There is a government.

2018-12-04 02:54:28 UTC

Right, and that was my point

2018-12-04 02:54:30 UTC

secondly, anti semitism carries a hefty... connotation
as if its "hating jews" ... while ... criticizing
israel, and hating jews, are 2 completely different things

2018-12-04 02:54:39 UTC

I would agree

2018-12-04 02:54:43 UTC

IF there is no government, what is there to decentralize?

2018-12-04 02:54:53 UTC


2018-12-04 02:55:02 UTC

Not all people who hate israel hate jews, all people who hate jews hate israel

2018-12-04 02:55:13 UTC

I wonder if a Arab who says “I want to kill white Christians” will he arrested for hate crime

2018-12-04 02:55:14 UTC

no shit

2018-12-04 02:55:20 UTC

because jews keep saying israel is a jewish nation

2018-12-04 02:55:20 UTC


2018-12-04 02:55:26 UTC

I consider Anarchy as starting from scratch, because eventually some centralize power or form of government will form.

2018-12-04 02:55:29 UTC

Well Israel is a jewish nation

2018-12-04 02:55:29 UTC

which is ethno nationalism

2018-12-04 02:55:42 UTC

so most jews are ethno nationalist?

2018-12-04 02:55:44 UTC

It is inevitable.... people don't always agree.

2018-12-04 02:55:48 UTC

“Jew” isn’t necessarily a ethnicity

2018-12-04 02:55:50 UTC

They band together to protect themselves.

2018-12-04 02:55:55 UTC

Look at the beta Isreali

2018-12-04 02:55:56 UTC

Basically that is how governments were formed.

2018-12-04 02:56:03 UTC

So you are once again relying on jewish ethnicity argument even though there are multiple jewish ethnicities

2018-12-04 02:56:05 UTC

They are all black

2018-12-04 02:56:17 UTC

Like how there are multiple christian ethnicities

2018-12-04 02:56:18 UTC

@Dvir so can i become jewish?

2018-12-04 02:56:20 UTC


2018-12-04 02:56:20 UTC

i dont think i can

2018-12-04 02:56:23 UTC


2018-12-04 02:56:24 UTC

I did

2018-12-04 02:56:35 UTC

dont you need a jewish mother?

2018-12-04 02:56:39 UTC

to become full jew?

2018-12-04 02:56:46 UTC

Your nation have a majority of a certain race doesn't make that nation a Ethno state..

2018-12-04 02:56:50 UTC

Also the Jewish “ethnicity” allows a level of intermarriage with other Populations

2018-12-04 02:56:52 UTC

That is only a thing in mainly orthodox jewish denominations

2018-12-04 02:57:04 UTC

But it does make it that race state... because it is made up of that race.

2018-12-04 02:57:07 UTC

can i move to israel, if i tell them im jewish?

2018-12-04 02:57:15 UTC

probably not ay...

2018-12-04 02:57:30 UTC

Like European nations and United States are considered White nations.

2018-12-04 02:57:30 UTC

@Aghost I think you could be an Isreali, but not Jewish

2018-12-04 02:57:32 UTC

If you had a Rabbi and a Synagogue and similar credentials probably

2018-12-04 02:57:38 UTC

Because they are made up majority of white race.

2018-12-04 02:57:44 UTC

There are Arab citizens of Isreal

2018-12-04 02:57:47 UTC

But there are other races there.

2018-12-04 02:57:58 UTC

is this accurate?

2018-12-04 02:58:06 UTC

But in the same vein ethnic jews who are messianic jews were denied right of return

2018-12-04 02:58:08 UTC

An full blown Ethno State means there is no room for other races in that state.

2018-12-04 02:58:13 UTC

All other races will be ran out.

2018-12-04 02:58:37 UTC

I'm not dissapointed yet

2018-12-04 02:58:49 UTC

United STates is honestly becoming more and more... Mix Race state.

2018-12-04 02:58:55 UTC

I probably wouldn't be accepted purely on the right of return since I am a judeo-christian with aramaean ancestry, but I could still become an Israeli citizen, I am just not guaranteed citizenship because of my background

2018-12-04 02:58:56 UTC

Basically no full races, just mixs.

2018-12-04 02:59:00 UTC

Basically a nation of mutts.

2018-12-04 02:59:05 UTC

Israel is a ethno nationalist state
and im fine with that, but let other nations be ethno nationalist as well pls...
but then all of the sudden, jews come out of there woodworks claiming "oy vey that will be like another shoah"

2018-12-04 02:59:46 UTC

I consider Israeli to a religious state, with one primary religion that dominates.

2018-12-04 02:59:48 UTC

You seem to have the habit of characterizing an entire religion with a single opinion and attitude

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