forcing workers into a lose/lose

For being wealthy.

fine

yeah

he just dislikes wealthy people

its fine, i grew up poor as dirt

best friend was rich, and i got into a lot of fights

You aren't so much in favor of helping the poor as it is that you just want to stick it to the rich man

because his rich friends didnt like me because i was poor

the wealthy tend to be born into wealth. they get their wealth from their parents who often times ripped off others who were dumber or less honorable than themselves a hundred years ago or more.

Always remember that achieving equality doesn't mean the same as "getting even"

they didnt rip off others

you shitlord

lol

you're all quite biased

stop reading marx

no dude

okay

https://twitter.com/RenaSofer/status/1059901071584223232

WEW

i don't read marx

"exploitation of workers"

Pot calling the kettle black, Ix.

is literally marx theory

FUCKING WEW

he didnt understand

funny, that's how i see it, "haah"

that someone with the resources and organization

could hire people, so that the whole team could produce more than any could on their own

i'm not calling for a redistribution of wealth

and he didnt see the value in that

Furthermore, you're treating "Sins of the father" as valid in the case of the wealthy

it's not black and white

people win large sums of money all the time

they aren't good with it

You are calling for having people with greater incomes being taxed more

had a good friend who had 2 wealthy relatives die

first got 400k, then got another 300k

How is that not a calling for a redistribution of wealth?

over the course of 6 years

yes, i think people should be limited in their power. do you disagree

he's dead ass broke

working a 15/hr job

they are

then i guess i want more limitation than you

they are limited in their competency to grow their power and keep it

"limited in their power" is just a side effect of your main goal being sticking it to people wealthier than you.

yeah because im actually liberal

i want liberty

it's not the way you're saying, "haah"

and freedom

that's a strawman

You're painting with a brush too broad Ix. Saying that people should have their power limited is not the same thing as what you've been arguing

"strawman":

that's what I mean to say

what?

lol

In other words, it's convenient for you that a wealthy person's power may be limited from having to give away more money

i'm not responsible for how you interpret me

If you're trying to communicate to us you are

no

If the limitation of power of individuals was so important for you, why did it take until now for you to bring it up?

not true

You brought up your loathing of the wealthy first and foremost.

i mean, Ix, you're basically no different than typical college tier liberals

?

you'll qoute marx

but then claim it's not marx

i never quoted marx

because you dont read marx

and dont know that it's literally marx

what did I say that quoted marx

its like wanting to kill all jews and save the master race, but not reading mein kampf

okay

you consider it exploitation of workers

when wealth is created

when did I say that

Ripping off workers

This is a marxist idea

"the wealthy tend to be born into wealth. they get their wealth from their parents who often times ripped off others who were dumber or less honorable than themselves a hundred years ago or more."

tend to, yes

i think that's obvious

Just because you didn't explicitly use the word "exploitation", it doesn't mean you didn't say it.

hey, i asked

he provided

however, I don't follow marxist ideology to some extent

"Tend to" isn't enough to discount claims that you referenced or quoted Marx.

I just don't trust powerful entities

and I certainly don't trust anyone who wants full reign over mass wealth

or pwoer

power*

Then why are you okay with the government raising taxes on people?

"they're taking advantage of us by saying we deserve it for being stupid"

"we're basing this off a system we're forced into already by the ultra wealthy"

On anyone?

taxes

are not a fucking tool of wealth redistribution

Btw the only figures on inherited vs earned wealth for millionaires says that 80% are 1st generation rich.

Or is it okay because it's the government taking money and not the not-government?

lol

because to help the common man who is loyal, and works to better the world, they require a system which pays them

its a way for people to pay for the services the government provides

and the ultra-rich tend to only make their money by taking advantage

I mean, I know a lot of people who genuinely think "It's okay when the *GOVERNMENT* does it, not a businessman"

are you all ultra-libertarians?

Even when it's something like censorship

no

it sounds like it

just people who understand capitalism

lol wow

you're arguing for ultimate libertarian capitalism

i am?

hahahahaha

qoute that

no regulation of the wealthy or businesses

mother fuckaaa

i said that?

weirrrrd

Strawman

"No regulation"

that isn't a strawman

That's retarded

actually you said the right doesnt even want to tax the rich

literally with your words

"Wealth is inherently illegitimate"

yes

Ix, let's say you end up developing some amazing new tech that makes you a billionaire. Then what?

while you claim i made a claim that i never even suggested

i said that the same % is their fair shair

libertarians also don't want to tax anyone

i'm not wrong in saying that

Yet you want to tax people more.

i said that 1% pays over 50% of our taxes, and 20% pays 85%

And we never said to abolish taxes

The wealthy, yes, but still.

I want to tax the rich, not the poor

thats not saying "lets not have taxes"

"we"

"we" never said

Yes the 3 of us arguing with you

no one

ever

said

so randoms are coming in and claiming to be party

abolish taxes

lmao

well i did

like i'm arguing against a random collective

nativeinterface

I'm not sure there's anyone currently here who agrees with you Ix

you're 192k to me

currently, sure

its fine that nobody agrees with him

my suggeestion

meanwhile this is a discord dedicated to a leftist/centrist independent

as i have actually read marx

is to read karl marx

What's your point, Ix?

its not going to hurt you

anyway maybe we can have one person ask me a question at a time if i am a target of inquiry

Are you accusing us of being too right wing for this Discord?

and THEN you can see if you've been subliminally fed his viewpoints

lmao

You acted like randoms were coming in and acting like a party

every 3 seconds i get 3 questions or accusations

i like outliers

When no, it's a group of individuals who are already here who happen to disagree with you collectively

because you're an outlier

center left

gonna go to bed now boys, see ya tomorrow

isnt marxist rhetoric

Are you saying there's something wrong with non-leftists/non-centrists being in here?

Lol

lol

Capitalism wins again

just a general disdain for wealthy

wew

Marxist Rhetoric is NEET ideology

and a narrow interpretation of how wealth is created, to the point that it only looks like exploitation

i could explain marxism shorthand to you

Virgin Marxist crumbles before Chad An Caps who want to abolish taxes and the state.

and then you could tell me if you disagree with it

marxn't

hahahah a marxnt

i mean dude

i am a centrist

but im not libertarian or ancap

No you're not. We're a 3 man collective of Mad Max Ancaps

i actually think if left alone capitalism will kill itself

Didn't you hear?

but i also think democracy will kill itself

As far as ideology and labels go,

theres a 3rd? when did we get a 3rd?

but damn

do i want mad max

HaahWaaw is our 3rd

cant we all move to like... fucking arizona

nice

I'm pretty much a "Guy who browses 4chan/8chan" conservative

and flip it full anarchy

US is so divided, irreconcilable differences that will never be resolved. Why keep this charade going? Why not split up?

divided

dude

im going to let you in on a secret

So house is lost i see.

That is to say, I am rather right wing myself, just not old generation right wing

you know how the parties have flipped multiple times in history?

news flash

we're in the middle of it again

im a conservon't and a liberon't

Party flipped ahahhaa

All we need to do is get Mexico to Annex the commie cities in Cali, then deport them (Mexico included) to Africa

but people are dumb and think it's "red pilled"

but in reality

I'm a lot more anti-left than I am pro-right though

liberals are now conservatives

and the new liberals are conservative

so atm theres like 2 groups in each wing

Democrats were the slave owners and nothing changed. Now their new slaves are the illegals. They hold those slaves in legal bounds.

that dont understand each other

i'm a staton't

Their new slaves are still African.

liberal minded republicans and old guard actual republicans

And now also female.

And illegla.

and you have old school liberals

And religious(except for Christians)

and new school conservatives

Kyle ahut yp your are stupid

dont believe me?

so who got PTSD this time ? 😉

Shit zinged

Yep

okay

Funny how you don't see leftists infighting with Africans given how spiritual and Christian African-Americans are

Lek

you familiar with the concept of the moral mind?

no

Says a moral relativist

the 5 basic universal moral dimensions

I heard GOP have taken to the streets torching cars and screeching loudly -not

that are damn near universal

Not smae

Same

every single culture on the planet

has those 5 values

in various quantities and forms

cultures are stupid

@beaker cos they are not for majority a bunch of crybabies and have jobs

sound familiar yet/

give me full immersion VR, a real matrix and I will never have to hear or see another lib again