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2018-10-30 17:00:16 UTC

Then again, trump is somewhat authoritharian

2018-10-30 17:00:35 UTC

But even the authoritharian - libertarian axis isnt a left right thing

2018-10-30 17:00:39 UTC

@>_ So, like... any actual leftists? Like, people that are further left than the democratic party?

2018-10-30 17:00:44 UTC


2018-10-30 17:00:49 UTC

Like flat out communists

2018-10-30 17:00:51 UTC

and socialists

2018-10-30 17:00:55 UTC

who have been my friends for a while

2018-10-30 17:01:06 UTC

That I used to discuss with openly growing up

2018-10-30 17:01:08 UTC

And they wouldn't debate with you? That's funny.

2018-10-30 17:01:13 UTC

They wouldn't. Ever.

2018-10-30 17:01:18 UTC

Not past their talking points.

2018-10-30 17:01:22 UTC

To be honest

2018-10-30 17:01:26 UTC

Once they hit a wall they refused to go further.

2018-10-30 17:01:32 UTC

Most of my friends have been very open to discussion, though 90% of them are center - something

2018-10-30 17:01:38 UTC

Normal people are not the sort to go "hey I want to talk to someone I disagree with"

2018-10-30 17:01:38 UTC

If they didn't have a talking point to respond to me with it was just radio silence.

2018-10-30 17:01:44 UTC

Most people I've known seem to hate arguing about almost anything. And if you have a better term for it than "argument" that is more accurate please advise.

2018-10-30 17:01:54 UTC

I still think its just most people

2018-10-30 17:01:55 UTC

@Beef Taquitos discuss, talk

2018-10-30 17:01:56 UTC

Discussion Beef

2018-10-30 17:01:57 UTC

Most people dislike conflict

2018-10-30 17:02:07 UTC

No, that's not more accurate.

2018-10-30 17:02:21 UTC

Why not?

2018-10-30 17:02:35 UTC

So like...

2018-10-30 17:02:38 UTC

An argument doesn't have to be angry. A discussion is not as confrontational as an argument where you argue points and counter-points. A debate is too formal.

2018-10-30 17:02:39 UTC

Send money to gab?

2018-10-30 17:02:47 UTC

Both sides are presenting their ideas and going back and forth about them. A discussion can have disagreement without it being an arguement.

2018-10-30 17:02:48 UTC


2018-10-30 17:02:54 UTC
2018-10-30 17:02:56 UTC

JDM, being late to the party. Or having Tim be angry at him

2018-10-30 17:02:56 UTC

it's the whole "It's not my job to educate you" "Go read all of Karl Marx works before you ever even think of criticizing marxist theory" "I don't want to talk about this right now (or ever)" or flat out ghosting.

2018-10-30 17:03:00 UTC

Discussion is too general.

2018-10-30 17:03:12 UTC

holy shit that annoys me to no end

2018-10-30 17:03:24 UTC

@>_ in general, "read marx" is a pretty good argument, because he's covered almost all of the common talking points

2018-10-30 17:03:25 UTC

They expect you to go and learn their position

2018-10-30 17:03:27 UTC

*bring them fire*

2018-10-30 17:03:33 UTC

"I discussed this with him" could mean any number of things, you have no idea if it was just "hey I like cats" "yeah I like cats too" or whatever.

2018-10-30 17:03:36 UTC

iron law of oligarchy 😦

2018-10-30 17:03:37 UTC

why would I address an argument that's been addressed 100 years ago?

2018-10-30 17:03:40 UTC

I mean they can't defend their positions themselves.

2018-10-30 17:03:50 UTC

The issue is, if you make a claim, its on you to provide your bases

2018-10-30 17:03:59 UTC

rip why yall trolling my boi V

2018-10-30 17:04:03 UTC

Because if you can't defend your positions than really how deeply do you believe in them.

2018-10-30 17:04:10 UTC

If you argued with someone, you know that the two of you had very different views on something and tried to convince each other of things.

2018-10-30 17:04:22 UTC

people can understand things without being able to articulate them

2018-10-30 17:04:26 UTC

@GingaBomber the bases is "marx proved this" @>_ the defense is "marx proved this"

2018-10-30 17:04:27 UTC

I mean the burden of proof is on the person making the claim

2018-10-30 17:04:37 UTC

And marx said millions of things

2018-10-30 17:04:45 UTC

I don't have to prove the pythagorean theorem when I'm doing trigonometry homework, because it's already been proved

2018-10-30 17:04:47 UTC

If I ask someone what they believe and then ask why they think that I expect a response of some sort. What i dont expect is to have a book thrown in my face and as they run away screaming "READ NIGGA"

2018-10-30 17:04:54 UTC

Its like when nazis basically post a dozen links and say, just read them and you will understand

2018-10-30 17:05:00 UTC

If you can't defend your position without giving required read, you are either lazy (which happens) or don't understand the argument enough to repeat it nor truly understand it.

2018-10-30 17:05:12 UTC

"Marx proved this"
Only he didn't

2018-10-30 17:05:12 UTC


2018-10-30 17:05:13 UTC

Except polticis isnt math, there is no one truth like math

2018-10-30 17:05:14 UTC

@Grenade123 that's decently accurate

2018-10-30 17:05:17 UTC

the issue with a lot of you people is that you think its genuinly about ideas and certain things being right, when in reality its closer to a religious war

2018-10-30 17:05:18 UTC

who dares to summon the mighty l0de ray dio

2018-10-30 17:05:21 UTC

@Grenade123 Most people will just disconnect at that point I've found

2018-10-30 17:05:22 UTC

Which also means you are unable to properly prove it wrong

2018-10-30 17:05:26 UTC

Oh shit, it's l0de

2018-10-30 17:05:30 UTC

yes hello

2018-10-30 17:05:31 UTC

l0de here

2018-10-30 17:05:34 UTC

I love to argue ideas and they usually just shut down

2018-10-30 17:05:36 UTC

It’s like when the left says β€œIt’s not my job to educste you”

2018-10-30 17:05:37 UTC

The funny thing is I think V is right

2018-10-30 17:05:39 UTC

I think its because people hate it when someone goes "educate yourself"

2018-10-30 17:05:39 UTC

What about with hitler. Do you expect me to read all of hitlers work before I dismiss nazism?

2018-10-30 17:05:45 UTC

holy shit @Termer did you see LRH this week

2018-10-30 17:05:50 UTC

I'm subscribed to you but I haven't watched a single video

2018-10-30 17:05:52 UTC

They would say yes V

2018-10-30 17:06:00 UTC

we filmed at a literal trap house in salt lake city and pranked mormons

2018-10-30 17:06:05 UTC

But have they taken the time to read all of Hitlers work?

2018-10-30 17:06:10 UTC

youtube demonetized, confirmed, my video talking about dems trying to register dead people and non citizens

2018-10-30 17:06:16 UTC


2018-10-30 17:06:19 UTC

nothing offensive, no swearing, all source to mainstream media

2018-10-30 17:06:19 UTC

hitler only put out one book

2018-10-30 17:06:26 UTC

i dont wanna say it

2018-10-30 17:06:27 UTC

Well, it's yt

2018-10-30 17:06:28 UTC

you said democrat

2018-10-30 17:06:28 UTC

but im gonna

2018-10-30 17:06:29 UTC

the rest is just correspondence

2018-10-30 17:06:29 UTC

nono just judge him based on your preconceptions that you were received through propaganda that targets your emotions @>_

2018-10-30 17:06:30 UTC

Went against the narrative tim

2018-10-30 17:06:32 UTC


2018-10-30 17:06:33 UTC

@>_ if you ask somebody for a rebuttal to X, and they respond with "read Y, it contains a rebuttal and proof", then I expect you to read it if you care about the discussion

2018-10-30 17:06:35 UTC

Im kinda surprised that they didnt give you a strike

2018-10-30 17:06:36 UTC

democrat is a racial slur now i guess

2018-10-30 17:06:42 UTC


2018-10-30 17:06:42 UTC

Mass censorship here we come.

2018-10-30 17:06:42 UTC

youtube is killing itself to be a TV station, what do you expect, Tim?

2018-10-30 17:06:46 UTC

Is the CDU/CSU of Germany a bad group?

2018-10-30 17:06:46 UTC

That would be funny

2018-10-30 17:06:47 UTC

Dildocrat is the prefered term

2018-10-30 17:06:53 UTC

I mean its that sort of thing that gets you banned on twitter for "election meddling"

2018-10-30 17:06:55 UTC

Or is it its ties to Merkel

2018-10-30 17:06:59 UTC

@Timcast looks like the free marketplace of ideas has spoken, my dude

2018-10-30 17:07:05 UTC

Or Demoncrat

2018-10-30 17:07:06 UTC

Youtube is trying its damnedest to be as financially defunct as twitter for some godawful reason

2018-10-30 17:07:21 UTC

Youtube has never made money

2018-10-30 17:07:23 UTC

CDU is one of the largest parties in germany, its the Christian Democratic Union and yes it is merkel's party

2018-10-30 17:07:25 UTC

during its entire existence

2018-10-30 17:07:28 UTC

it never will

2018-10-30 17:07:28 UTC I wrote some shitty paragraph, but it needs to be improved

2018-10-30 17:07:37 UTC

it's a massive money sink

2018-10-30 17:07:39 UTC


2018-10-30 17:07:43 UTC

god, Christian Democratic Union, what a complete garbage name for a party

2018-10-30 17:07:44 UTC

Honestly though, I wish people can be more sussict and specific than just saying "educate yourself"

2018-10-30 17:07:45 UTC

The funny thing is I used to be a socialist and these people used to call me an intellectual before and never asked me to read anything. However as soon as I start questioning them personally they refuse to defend their own positions and now call me uneducated and under read.

2018-10-30 17:07:46 UTC

....who knows the deal with this whole Gab thing?
As I understand it, it was the hosting platform who revoked their service from Gab.. are there any hosting providers which have a committment to free speech?

It's all well and good with people trying to make alternatives to censorious social media platforms, but its all irrelevant if they're beholden to censorious hosts or payment providers.

2018-10-30 17:07:47 UTC

"election meddling" is an absolutely stupid thing to ban someone for, they could easily just ban you for advocating a political party they dislike

2018-10-30 17:07:53 UTC

Yes, but it's trying to be as much of a monetary detriment as twitter now

2018-10-30 17:07:54 UTC

I know the deal with the whole gab thing

2018-10-30 17:08:00 UTC

Marx's work is a whole book coveringseveral topics

2018-10-30 17:08:06 UTC

they stupidly used godaddy for their registrar

2018-10-30 17:08:11 UTC


2018-10-30 17:08:13 UTC

and their hosting provider saw their chance to get out

2018-10-30 17:08:14 UTC

godaddy is shit

2018-10-30 17:08:15 UTC

@>_ why are you no longer socialist

2018-10-30 17:08:17 UTC

This is bananas.

2018-10-30 17:08:18 UTC

godaddy is a horrible hosting service

2018-10-30 17:08:23 UTC

V its not just that, ive found that socailists i talked with for hours on end suddenly clammed up in late 2017 and early 2018

2018-10-30 17:08:24 UTC

they'd gotten dumped by azure for not responding to ms's takedown requests

2018-10-30 17:08:24 UTC

2018-10-30 17:08:27 UTC

Maybe... youtube is trying to take down google by bankrupting them?

2018-10-30 17:08:28 UTC

@>_ It really is.

2018-10-30 17:08:29 UTC


2018-10-30 17:08:31 UTC

>use azure
>use godaddy
>get btfo'd

what were they expecting?

2018-10-30 17:08:47 UTC

tim is spooki

2018-10-30 17:08:48 UTC

Yeah black, you see you've experienced it too.

2018-10-30 17:08:49 UTC

The CEO is a literal Ford level "international jewry rules the world" nut

2018-10-30 17:08:53 UTC

Tim is mega-spooky

2018-10-30 17:09:04 UTC

@Termer >switch to other hosts, still get yeeted immediately

2018-10-30 17:09:13 UTC

Time to self-host

2018-10-30 17:09:14 UTC

The responses became automatic and dismissive . I did manage to get them to admit that they thought "if someone doenst understand your position then its their fault".

2018-10-30 17:09:15 UTC

Ultimately gab has always been a smoldering trash heap

2018-10-30 17:09:17 UTC

You mean the CEO of Gab?

2018-10-30 17:09:20 UTC

It's Brazilian death squad Tim pool

2018-10-30 17:09:20 UTC


2018-10-30 17:09:25 UTC

No it hasn’t

2018-10-30 17:09:26 UTC

Honestly I wasnt confident it would have taken off

2018-10-30 17:09:28 UTC

he's a real dingus from what I can make out

2018-10-30 17:09:29 UTC

Gab is free speech

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2018-10-30 17:09:33 UTC

I return to the tweet I posted earlier

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2018-10-30 17:09:34 UTC

spoopy scary Poolingtons send news down your spine

2018-10-30 17:09:39 UTC

Still it takes a crazy person to pull that off

2018-10-30 17:09:40 UTC

It's free speech but just because something is free doesn't mean it's good

2018-10-30 17:09:43 UTC

gabbai is laughing at its users

2018-10-30 17:09:50 UTC

Cause sane people will think its a waste of time

2018-10-30 17:09:55 UTC

@l0de i agree it also doesnt make it bad

2018-10-30 17:09:56 UTC

I tried streaming on gab a few times, their CDN sucks

2018-10-30 17:10:07 UTC

Gab's backend is retarded

2018-10-30 17:10:08 UTC

Right, but my contention is gab was always pretty shitty

2018-10-30 17:10:08 UTC

Gee i wonder why

2018-10-30 17:10:15 UTC

I agree.

2018-10-30 17:10:17 UTC

way too nazified for anyone even close to moderate

2018-10-30 17:10:18 UTC

Yeah there is a real lack of personal responsibility on the left. Demanding everyone else around them do everything else. "It's everyone elses job to care. It's everyone elses job to propagandize themselves into believing *my* philosophy."

2018-10-30 17:10:18 UTC

The Gab ceo was acually a pretty horrible person

2018-10-30 17:10:25 UTC

well no shit they're still small and can't get much going because they're being stomped on at every turn

2018-10-30 17:10:27 UTC

I agree abel

2018-10-30 17:10:28 UTC

I'm annoyed that Gab was censored, but the Gab guy was a COCK.

2018-10-30 17:10:32 UTC

are there any hosting platforms that have a dedicated protection of free speech/free expression? Which will host anything as long as its legal?

2018-10-30 17:10:32 UTC


2018-10-30 17:10:39 UTC

I've had three or four people who know him tell me he's bad news

2018-10-30 17:10:39 UTC

His lolicon stance was **shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit**

2018-10-30 17:10:39 UTC

He was flagging people on twitter, so they could get banned and move to his shitty site

2018-10-30 17:10:41 UTC

buying into a poll

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2018-10-30 17:10:45 UTC

and advise me not to use his platform

2018-10-30 17:10:48 UTC

and then LITERALLY got yeeted by every service that still gave them a chance

2018-10-30 17:10:49 UTC

and I'm glad I didn't

2018-10-30 17:10:52 UTC

is this a betting pool for the elections?

2018-10-30 17:10:55 UTC

even if we'll eventually get banned from youtube

2018-10-30 17:10:55 UTC

Still it takes a special kind of crazy to go out there to make a product to rival Twitter

2018-10-30 17:10:57 UTC

implying other CEOs are good guys

2018-10-30 17:11:02 UTC

Minds is a better social media

2018-10-30 17:11:05 UTC

move there

2018-10-30 17:11:05 UTC


2018-10-30 17:11:09 UTC

they know

2018-10-30 17:11:12 UTC

seems to be hosting platforms and payment providers which are holding back the solutions to this shit

2018-10-30 17:11:14 UTC

"Real communism has never been tried" <:NPC:500042527231967262>

2018-10-30 17:11:17 UTC

It's actually better designed

2018-10-30 17:11:23 UTC

Honestly just wondering, why isnt minds mentioned more?

2018-10-30 17:11:30 UTC

and has more people from all sides

2018-10-30 17:11:30 UTC

I doubt the SPD and CDU are that contested, they both seem to be around the same principles

2018-10-30 17:11:32 UTC

is it because gab is controversial?

2018-10-30 17:11:34 UTC

yeah ive never used Gab but I use minds

2018-10-30 17:11:35 UTC

so recently on the rubin \ cucker mywifes'sson podcast they talked about a billionaire considering running his own free speech yt

2018-10-30 17:11:41 UTC

how is minds

2018-10-30 17:11:45 UTC

minds was a mess when I last checked it

2018-10-30 17:11:48 UTC

Minds is great so far

2018-10-30 17:11:52 UTC

I'll take a gander at it

2018-10-30 17:11:52 UTC

Minds is still glitchy on mobile, imo

2018-10-30 17:11:53 UTC

They made it good

2018-10-30 17:11:53 UTC

Minds is pretty good for what its supposed to be

2018-10-30 17:12:02 UTC

Havent used it on mobile though

2018-10-30 17:12:05 UTC

Like to be honest, I hear mixed reactions so I dont know

2018-10-30 17:12:06 UTC

Just ask Tim, he's on minds

2018-10-30 17:12:14 UTC

If the AfD took over, and I find they are perceived as far right, then I think SPD and CDU would merge

2018-10-30 17:12:20 UTC

It kinda helps that Sargon was pimping it from early on

2018-10-30 17:12:36 UTC

someone who could bring tens of thousands of butts

2018-10-30 17:12:47 UTC

they need more pub n traffic

2018-10-30 17:12:49 UTC

minds is underused

2018-10-30 17:12:50 UTC

You guys know Kim dotcom?

2018-10-30 17:12:54 UTC

but not sur eif their framework can handle it

2018-10-30 17:12:57 UTC

does it have an oily taquito fingers film like everything else sargon touches

2018-10-30 17:12:58 UTC

lol ofcourse

2018-10-30 17:12:59 UTC


2018-10-30 17:13:00 UTC

The guy who made mega upload?

2018-10-30 17:13:03 UTC


2018-10-30 17:13:06 UTC

I know kim dotcoms

2018-10-30 17:13:11 UTC

kim dongcom

2018-10-30 17:13:11 UTC
2018-10-30 17:13:13 UTC

He's making his own site

2018-10-30 17:13:15 UTC

kim datcums

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with voluntary mods

2018-10-30 17:13:30 UTC

Who would earn crypto

2018-10-30 17:13:33 UTC

I can't put my program on a site run by a guy who could have a heart attack literally any second

2018-10-30 17:13:40 UTC

orly shittt any info on where its shalls be locateds on teh internets

2018-10-30 17:13:52 UTC

He's just talking about on twitter so far

2018-10-30 17:14:01 UTC

28 US marines

2018-10-30 17:14:09 UTC

pullin up

2018-10-30 17:14:13 UTC

I'm looking forward to it. Kim actually knows his shit

2018-10-30 17:14:15 UTC

in black Ford raptor trucks

2018-10-30 17:14:22 UTC

at the border?

2018-10-30 17:14:22 UTC

helicopters landing

2018-10-30 17:14:30 UTC

ram ranch is under siege

2018-10-30 17:14:33 UTC

You at the border or something?

2018-10-30 17:14:33 UTC

under lockdown

2018-10-30 17:14:37 UTC

Speaking of

2018-10-30 17:14:42 UTC

Whats the update on that caravan?

2018-10-30 17:14:46 UTC

could you like type like an adult instead of a middle-school teen girl?

2018-10-30 17:14:50 UTC

ohhhh u mean his place

2018-10-30 17:14:51 UTC

still longs ways outs

2018-10-30 17:14:58 UTC

But theres an ETA?

2018-10-30 17:15:07 UTC

long after midterms

2018-10-30 17:15:09 UTC

I know we mobilized 5,200 more soldiers to the border but that's it

2018-10-30 17:15:11 UTC

also wtf is a ford raptor?

2018-10-30 17:15:12 UTC

yeah a few weeks lol

2018-10-30 17:15:17 UTC

its a truck

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2018-10-30 17:15:21 UTC

are they gonna shoot the caravan

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