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Then again, trump is somewhat authoritharian
But even the authoritharian - libertarian axis isnt a left right thing
@>_ So, like... any actual leftists? Like, people that are further left than the democratic party?
Like flat out communists
who have been my friends for a while
That I used to discuss with openly growing up
And they wouldn't debate with you? That's funny.
They wouldn't. Ever.
Not past their talking points.
To be honest
Once they hit a wall they refused to go further.
Most of my friends have been very open to discussion, though 90% of them are center - something
Normal people are not the sort to go "hey I want to talk to someone I disagree with"
If they didn't have a talking point to respond to me with it was just radio silence.
Most people I've known seem to hate arguing about almost anything. And if you have a better term for it than "argument" that is more accurate please advise.
I still think its just most people
Most people dislike conflict
No, that's not more accurate.
An argument doesn't have to be angry. A discussion is not as confrontational as an argument where you argue points and counter-points. A debate is too formal.
Send money to gab?
Both sides are presenting their ideas and going back and forth about them. A discussion can have disagreement without it being an arguement.
JDM, being late to the party. Or having Tim be angry at him
it's the whole "It's not my job to educate you" "Go read all of Karl Marx works before you ever even think of criticizing marxist theory" "I don't want to talk about this right now (or ever)" or flat out ghosting.
Discussion is too general.
holy shit that annoys me to no end
@>_ in general, "read marx" is a pretty good argument, because he's covered almost all of the common talking points
They expect you to go and learn their position
*bring them fire*
"I discussed this with him" could mean any number of things, you have no idea if it was just "hey I like cats" "yeah I like cats too" or whatever.
iron law of oligarchy 😦
why would I address an argument that's been addressed 100 years ago?
I mean they can't defend their positions themselves.
The issue is, if you make a claim, its on you to provide your bases
rip why yall trolling my boi V
Because if you can't defend your positions than really how deeply do you believe in them.
If you argued with someone, you know that the two of you had very different views on something and tried to convince each other of things.
people can understand things without being able to articulate them
I mean the burden of proof is on the person making the claim
And marx said millions of things
I don't have to prove the pythagorean theorem when I'm doing trigonometry homework, because it's already been proved
If I ask someone what they believe and then ask why they think that I expect a response of some sort. What i dont expect is to have a book thrown in my face and as they run away screaming "READ NIGGA"
Its like when nazis basically post a dozen links and say, just read them and you will understand
If you can't defend your position without giving required read, you are either lazy (which happens) or don't understand the argument enough to repeat it nor truly understand it.
"Marx proved this"
Only he didn't
Except polticis isnt math, there is no one truth like math
the issue with a lot of you people is that you think its genuinly about ideas and certain things being right, when in reality its closer to a religious war
who dares to summon the mighty l0de ray dio
@Grenade123 Most people will just disconnect at that point I've found
Which also means you are unable to properly prove it wrong
Oh shit, it's l0de
I love to argue ideas and they usually just shut down
It’s like when the left says “It’s not my job to educste you”
The funny thing is I think V is right
I think its because people hate it when someone goes "educate yourself"
What about with hitler. Do you expect me to read all of hitlers work before I dismiss nazism?
I'm subscribed to you but I haven't watched a single video
They would say yes V
we filmed at a literal trap house in salt lake city and pranked mormons
But have they taken the time to read all of Hitlers work?
youtube demonetized, confirmed, my video talking about dems trying to register dead people and non citizens
nothing offensive, no swearing, all source to mainstream media
hitler only put out one book
i dont wanna say it
Well, it's yt
you said democrat
but im gonna
the rest is just correspondence
nono just judge him based on your preconceptions that you were received through propaganda that targets your emotions @>_
Went against the narrative tim
ALEX JONES WAS RIGHT
@>_ if you ask somebody for a rebuttal to X, and they respond with "read Y, it contains a rebuttal and proof", then I expect you to read it if you care about the discussion
Im kinda surprised that they didnt give you a strike
democrat is a racial slur now i guess
Mass censorship here we come.
youtube is killing itself to be a TV station, what do you expect, Tim?
Is the CDU/CSU of Germany a bad group?
That would be funny
Dildocrat is the prefered term
I mean its that sort of thing that gets you banned on twitter for "election meddling"
Or is it its ties to Merkel
@Timcast looks like the free marketplace of ideas has spoken, my dude
Youtube is trying its damnedest to be as financially defunct as twitter for some godawful reason
Youtube has never made money
CDU is one of the largest parties in germany, its the Christian Democratic Union and yes it is merkel's party
during its entire existence
it never will
https://spookwithtim.cf/ I wrote some shitty paragraph, but it needs to be improved
it's a massive money sink
god, Christian Democratic Union, what a complete garbage name for a party
Honestly though, I wish people can be more sussict and specific than just saying "educate yourself"
The funny thing is I used to be a socialist and these people used to call me an intellectual before and never asked me to read anything. However as soon as I start questioning them personally they refuse to defend their own positions and now call me uneducated and under read.
....who knows the deal with this whole Gab thing?
As I understand it, it was the hosting platform who revoked their service from Gab.. are there any hosting providers which have a committment to free speech?
It's all well and good with people trying to make alternatives to censorious social media platforms, but its all irrelevant if they're beholden to censorious hosts or payment providers.
"election meddling" is an absolutely stupid thing to ban someone for, they could easily just ban you for advocating a political party they dislike
Yes, but it's trying to be as much of a monetary detriment as twitter now
I know the deal with the whole gab thing
Marx's work is a whole book coveringseveral topics
they stupidly used godaddy for their registrar
and their hosting provider saw their chance to get out
godaddy is shit
This is bananas.
godaddy is a horrible hosting service
V its not just that, ive found that socailists i talked with for hours on end suddenly clammed up in late 2017 and early 2018
they'd gotten dumped by azure for not responding to ms's takedown requests
Maybe... youtube is trying to take down google by bankrupting them?
what were they expecting?
tim is spooki
Yeah black, you see you've experienced it too.
The CEO is a literal Ford level "international jewry rules the world" nut
Tim is mega-spooky
Time to self-host
The responses became automatic and dismissive . I did manage to get them to admit that they thought "if someone doenst understand your position then its their fault".
Ultimately gab has always been a smoldering trash heap
You mean the CEO of Gab?
It's Brazilian death squad Tim pool
No it hasn’t
Honestly I wasnt confident it would have taken off
he's a real dingus from what I can make out
Gab is free speech
I return to the tweet I posted earlier
spoopy scary Poolingtons send news down your spine
Still it takes a crazy person to pull that off
It's free speech but just because something is free doesn't mean it's good
gabbai is laughing at its users
Cause sane people will think its a waste of time
I tried streaming on gab a few times, their CDN sucks
Gab's backend is retarded
Right, but my contention is gab was always pretty shitty
Gee i wonder why
way too nazified for anyone even close to moderate
Yeah there is a real lack of personal responsibility on the left. Demanding everyone else around them do everything else. "It's everyone elses job to care. It's everyone elses job to propagandize themselves into believing *my* philosophy."
The Gab ceo was acually a pretty horrible person
well no shit they're still small and can't get much going because they're being stomped on at every turn
I agree abel
I'm annoyed that Gab was censored, but the Gab guy was a COCK.
are there any hosting platforms that have a dedicated protection of free speech/free expression? Which will host anything as long as its legal?
I've had three or four people who know him tell me he's bad news
His lolicon stance was **shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit**
He was flagging people on twitter, so they could get banned and move to his shitty site
buying into a poll
and advise me not to use his platform
and then LITERALLY got yeeted by every service that still gave them a chance
and I'm glad I didn't
is this a betting pool for the elections?
even if we'll eventually get banned from youtube
Still it takes a special kind of crazy to go out there to make a product to rival Twitter
implying other CEOs are good guys
Minds is a better social media
seems to be hosting platforms and payment providers which are holding back the solutions to this shit
"Real communism has never been tried" <:NPC:500042527231967262>
It's actually better designed
Honestly just wondering, why isnt minds mentioned more?
and has more people from all sides
I doubt the SPD and CDU are that contested, they both seem to be around the same principles
is it because gab is controversial?
yeah ive never used Gab but I use minds
so recently on the rubin \ cucker mywifes'sson podcast they talked about a billionaire considering running his own free speech yt
how is minds
minds was a mess when I last checked it
Minds is great so far
I'll take a gander at it
Minds is still glitchy on mobile, imo
They made it good
Minds is pretty good for what its supposed to be
Havent used it on mobile though
Like to be honest, I hear mixed reactions so I dont know
Just ask Tim, he's on minds
If the AfD took over, and I find they are perceived as far right, then I think SPD and CDU would merge
It kinda helps that Sargon was pimping it from early on
someone who could bring tens of thousands of butts
they need more pub n traffic
minds is underused
You guys know Kim dotcom?
but not sur eif their framework can handle it
does it have an oily taquito fingers film like everything else sargon touches
The guy who made mega upload?
I know kim dotcoms
He's making his own site
with voluntary mods
Who would earn crypto
I can't put my program on a site run by a guy who could have a heart attack literally any second
orly shittt any info on where its shalls be locateds on teh internets
He's just talking about on twitter so far
28 US marines
I'm looking forward to it. Kim actually knows his shit
in black Ford raptor trucks
at the border?
ram ranch is under siege
You at the border or something?
Whats the update on that caravan?
could you like type like an adult instead of a middle-school teen girl?
ohhhh u mean his place
still longs ways outs
But theres an ETA?
long after midterms
I know we mobilized 5,200 more soldiers to the border but that's it
also wtf is a ford raptor?
yeah a few weeks lol
its a truck
are they gonna shoot the caravan