Our population are lemmings

It can deal with its civilians

But a guerilla war against 150m people with guns is impossible to win

The US has given up on wars like that already

The average citizen is a coward

if we had that degree of unity, we wouldn't need force

what the fuck u talking about

That's fine, actually.

They can be cowards.

Even passive resistance would be enough.

I'm not saying that America is it that stage. I'm saying that his premise that a government has to be impossible to overthrow is flawed. The point of the second amendment is to make the opposite true

If we had that degree of unity, not one drop of blood would have to be spilled. Just stop paying taxes.

You will bring your government to its knees in months.

But @DrWittMDPhD Does have a point, the DOD did a study on how sucessful it would be for the US military to literally fight against its own civilians, they said it would be vastly unfeasable. Alot of soldiers will abandon the military immediately

I'd say most, not just a lot

and all their supplies and deports would be destroyed/cut-off

No, I am talking about the case of there being the unity of 150m people.

depots*

If there was that level of unity among the population, the point would be moot.

Just decide to not pick up the trash in cities for a month.

That alone would bring the nation to a standstill.

It would be fuckin Robespierre guillotine time before marshal law. K, a hostile government could easily unify a resistance of at least half the population

Refuse to operate any public transport in New York.

Not 150m armed militia men, but real resistance members

Not like lefty gays

Yes, but that's the point I am making.

With that level of unity, violence is unnecessary.

Passive resistance on that scale can bring anything to a standstill.

Yeah and 150m would not be that hard if the government tries to use our military to enforce some fascistic marshal law. That's so anti American it's insane to think about and we'd freak the fuck out

We're not cucked continentals

But, the sad part is that government abuse can continue for a very long time and people will not coordinate.

Maybe that is different now with the internet.

The Gulag Archipelago detailed this well.

Yeah if it's a slow thing, but I'm talking about the marshal law scenario

The army of the Soviet Union was incredibly weak for years before that fall.

If people had formed militias, it could have ended far sooner, but they were taken away one by one.

They still believed in the cause, some even when they were already in the Gulag.

Every productive person in Sweden could just decide to stop paying taxes and the migrant crises would end within a month.

The thing is, people are divided against each other, so they get states that abuse the ones who are most compliant.

The migrant crisis isn't as bad as the Swedish government using it's military to strike it's own people. You keep changing the scenario.

Also, Sweden isn't America

No, it's actually a very similar scenario.

I see there being one thread in all of this.

Bad policy harming a country is not the same as military force on one's own populace.

I see it all as the abuse of dysfunctional states that no longer serve their people but are there to abuse them.

Yes there can be a theme in there that's the same, but the scale is so much different

The issue with the modern state is that they have become a purpose onto their own end and perpetration.

The scale? Sure it's different for countries of different sizes.

Stop right there

I'm not talking about scale of US v Sweden

But the types of abuses, the kinds of laws that are being enacted all over the place are very similar.

I said the situation of migrants and military occupation

I don't see it as very differen,t because it's not the root cause of their issues.

Nobody wanted the EU super state.

Laws and state powers have eroded individual rights and seeped into every aspect of life.

Okay, denying a Jew service at a restaurant and the holocaust have the same root cause. The person hates Jews. SCALE is important.

There is the erosion of due process, for example, that is replicated almost exactly this side of the Atlantic and the other.

I feel like I'm talking past you.

There is C-51 in Canada, there is cancer like Title IX in the US, there is Alison Saunders and her ilk in the UK, rape shield laws.

What scale do you want to discuss?

It's systematic at a national level for each country.

Those changes are replicated like cookie cutter.

They couldn't be any more alike.

I've told you multiple times what the point I was arguing was. The US would easily revolt in a scenario where the government used the military to strike citizens. That's an extreme abuse of power. I made no comments on what the US would do in a small abuse of power like these due process things. I can't seem to get you to acknowledge the scale of difference between these 2 slights by the government

One is open war, the other is a slow, destruction of rights that will go unnoticed for a long time

The US would react to war instantly and the government would get fucked

That's all I am saying

I don't think the US would need its military.

You keep talking about random things like Title 9 and the degradation of due process which is so far removed from my original point.

Okay, then that's a different scenario

They don't have to send men with guns in green uniforms when they can lock people up with guys in blue uniforms.

Which I'm not talking about

I am and have been talking about in which way this country is going to decline.

I am saying that the decline is due to the growing abuse of the state.

You thought that would escalate in military conflict. I argued against that, which is why I brought up the Soviet Union.

I never said anything would escalate to a military conflict. I just said if there was one it'd be over quick

Well, sorry if you bring up a point that you think is unlikely to come to pass, it's easy for me to mistake it as a scenario you anticipate.

In the police scenario, I think America would fair better than our EU brethren. The (right wing) American attitude towards authority abusing it's power would lead to conflict and possibly a revolt where EU cucks would roll over like they did in Germany.

The right wing?

They are the ones most stubbornly cheering on police.

Yeah when they're on the side of justice

They worship anyone with a uniform far too much.

I know because I am of the right wing. If they start doing some extra judicial shit I'll be right down there with the BLM fuckos

And that would be the only scenario this could end well for America.

I mean if the state is stopped and its powers rolled back.

And for that, we would have to realize the state abuse on a large enough level, get our heads out of our rears and stop brawling in the streets, which is how we started this discussion.

Because then they realized exactly where the source of misery in this world is coming from right now: the excess of the state.

It might not be full on ancap, but it might reset us to something that is halfway sane and where CPS can't just decide to pick up your child from school.

>wakes up
>finds out my alarm clock didn't work
>got banned from the discord I get emojis from for no apparent reason, since I never speak on it
> ***g r e a t d a y***

You're really black pilled on life my dude. If the left wing collapses into it's socialistic fever (which I think is definitely possible), a better centrist party would have to replace it and I think the balance of power between that party whether it's a rebranded democrats or a new one would point America towards more deregulation and decentralization of power.

It always seems black pilled until the things predicted come to pass.

Then the black pill is the new red pill. Every time.

The God Emperor is starting that process. Shit tons of conservative judges federal and supreme (7-2 dream), deregulation, defunding of shit government agencies. It's going gangbusters right now.

Yes, if we start defunding the alphabet soup, then people have started waking up.

Even things like Kavanaugh is red pilling a shit ton of normies

Society is on the upward trend

Hmm ...

So far, both the right and left have been busy adding state powers.

If the start reverting that trend, I'll start believing.

American families might even start seeing fathers again.

Is a white pill a thing? Cause you gotta undo this black pilled life you got. If you are optimistic and motivated you can enact change.

Red pill normies, and white pill nihilists. Then we win tbh.

It doesn't matter. I will work as hard as I can.

Even if I thought the world ended tomorrow, I'd go down guns blazing.

It might be black pilled, but not defeatist.

I will fight as long as there is the slightest chance of victory.

Well as long as your black pill collection isn't demotivating you then I guess we're good here

The degree of accuracy of a solution is directly related to the accuracy with which the problem has been stated.

I just don't want to delude myself.

Wishful thinking helps no one.

You're still a fuckin RoboBird though.

i know

It might sound black pilled, but not one drop of blood needs to be spilled if we just realized the problem.

birds aren't real

If we all woke up and said:

"I think the problem is our state has grown too many powers."

It could all end within a week.

But we need unity. That's why I brought up Sweden: they could easily solve their problems in the same way if they weren't divided against each other.

war

to unite

Yeah that's not gonna happen in the short term. But once the far left implodes, I think we'll see unity.

And we are growing unity. Online, I see more and more people coming to the same conclusion and arriving at libertarian principles.

If the current online environment were the future political class, yes, it would look very well indeed.

Well, hopefully not 4chan though

It would be a dream if everyone like Hillary died and everyone like Styx ran for office.

Well word on the street is that Hillary is dying of Kuru lol

That's a hot conspiracy

Isn't she dead already?

I can't tell the difference at this point.

I hope not. I like the Kuru meme

She's gotta die of that

kek

And Merkel. She needs to ... do something else.

And take a few more journalists with her. Suicides where they shoot themselves 50 times

hmm

I am dreaming of a libertarian paradise.

But too many people want the state to fix their shit.

If we taught Friedman and Sowell in High School, instead of anal sex, we might actually have a better future.

some people are dreaming of a communist paradise <:thinking:406901809911955458>

That's what we have NASA for.

They can be communist on the Moon.

Everyone gets the same amount of air.

Fuckin space commies

lol

Was anyone a part of the politics server with the orange stick figure

I think it’s the biggest one

Politics server

I get kicked from all big politics servers.

What politics server?

I don't even know about other big ones

Once it gets too big, it gets too normie.

It’s the biggest pol server

How do I post pics here

I got banned

for no reason

The Poltiics

I never speak

me too

I woke up, i was banned

hmm, watching politcon tucker vs yogurt thingy. Seems tucker might be slightly smarter than I thought.

i literally NEVER spoke on it

AND I GOT BANNED

I either just got banned or it was deleted

Hello welcome to politics server. Here we have political discussion, but if you're offensive you get banned.

Tucker just talks in very simple terms a lot, due to the format of his show.

he's using a similar argument that I did, arguing against tim's idea that diversity is a strength.

I was active like 30 min ago

@Undead Mockingbird You got ban yesterday ?

When he speaks more freely, he is far more nuanced.

No i was banned a while ago

I got banned just barely and I have no idea why

Ok

it's a purge

sad

IRL Tucker > Fox Tucker

I wasn’t even online when it happened

Discord will become more normie.

Yes ok

The MSM are attacking discord now

I understand now

Reddit has been cancer for a while.

I am definitely right wing but I never broke the rules

I am banned from all big subreddits.

Corporations will attack anything they don't control

I loved the emojis, but now it's ruined <a:a_capooCry:474222541645414400>

***Discord is a breeding ground for nazis reeee***

<:NPC:500042527231967262> <:NPC:500042527231967262> <:NPC:500042527231967262>

“r/anarchism”

<:FeelsReeMan:448935600473767937>

no one has tried to breed with me

I’m legitimately confused

makes sense

but i've been getting some vibes from that other bird

Why am I banned I can’t figure it out

I can't either

idk

I think some libtard got the upper hand

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

and he banned everyone

!rank

who did?/

I woke up, i was banned :/ @Frosty

i'm not banned

am here right now

Today?

Can I get an invite lol

Yes today

where are you talking about?

https://disboard.org/server/join/275336689419812865?k=8&c=%2Fservers%2Ftag%2Fpolitics

'The Politics'

I need to see that server

This server

Thx

Go in there ask what happened

Pllslslss

Yes

pls

oh some other server, that isn't this one...

either it's invalid or you're banned

the server might have changed

not involved there, so ....my caring is at an end.

It's invalid for me, so I got banned

It was fine yesterday

@Undead Mockingbird I was on it 30 min ago

The only big servers I wanna join are meme servers. I don't get enough shit posting in this server.

Link dinnae work

the shitposting channel is always full here

Hmmm

Maybe it got deleted

Maybe they shut down the server :/

very sad

I consume memes at an exponential rate

some libtard got the upper hand for s ure

REEEEEEEEE

Only servers Im in are my friend servers

The pfp for the server changed a bunch right before

Maybe a raid

Of mods

oof

very sad

I need link

<a:a_capooSad:474222549484699648>

How do I post pics

Do I need a role

WE MUST ALL MAKE NPC DISCORD ACCOUNTS AND JOIN THAT SERVER

@Frosty ya gotta be level 10

!rank

!rank

Ouch