And probably have the same problems.

its like your arguing for separation of powers within an organization lol

No, I'd argue separation of powers in society.

oh

Social media is too powerful, IMO.

oh definitly

tbh trust busting is a route

I'm not so sure.

Silicon Valley can be extremely insular.

And it has a certain collective consciousness.

Thats their problem

they have no rivals

Simply calling Google, Google A, Google B, Google C isn't that effective if they're all essentially the same.

they are all located in the place even

You need actual alternatives.

yea

It's like ABC/CBS/NBC. Is there really a difference?

not much

content varies i guess lol

If I thought trust busting would actually lead to viable alternatives, I'd support it.

Not much.

It's not like Fox versus CNN.

oh yea agreed there

In the case of SV in particular. I think if you trust-busted, European regulations would squash any large alternatives anyway.

They'd all be subject to the same regulations and turn out the same under those regulations.

And I don't like the regulations Europe seems to want to push.

Plus, network effects are very much a factor in social media.

It's a monopolistic industry by nature.

EU fucks things up yea

I don't think people realize how important the EU is in this whole mess.

nope

Since most places are not going to make two separate English services.

remember "we have changed our terms and conditions" emails

that i believe was because of EU regulations

The Culture war isn't actually the American Culture war anymore. It's a anglophone culture war.

And I don't think people realize this.

yea

some do

But you can see it on this server.

but they focus on their particular part of it

All the Canadians, all the Brits, all playing US politics.

yea

kinda

Yeah, this is actually why I think the nationalism thing will eventually die.

The only way to fight effectively is in a group.

And if you are just dividing yourself and not supporting other national groups, you'll eventually lose.

the problem is with what kind of nationalism

i support civic

Everyone fusses so much over definitions I'm not going to attempt to label too much.

But I would say that there's a broader war here that alot of people are missing.

Nationalism is harmless on it's own.

No worse than cheering for a sports team.

I'd actually say that for the immediate future, nationalism is a good thing.

Except you're a part of that team.

extreme nationalism comes and goes based on the state of the world imo

when things are going well it is less prevalent

Telling people to put their god damned 'abolish borders, abolish ice, abolish profit' signs and come be a fucking American with me is harmless.

Telling people to do that, or else consequences

THAT'S where the problems start

(Freudian slip...?)

yea

I think the bigger thing is that people are looking for communities right now.

Nationalism is a relatively safe community to build IMO

It's not necessarily based on skin color.

they just go to some of the shitty communities sometimes

And it has shared interests and characteristics.

unless its ethnic based

I don't want everyone to be an American.

Yeah, that's the culture war.

I don't want to eliminate everyone who's NOT American.

I just want America to be America.

I want Texas to keep being Texas, specifically.

There's people who don't like America as it is. And they see everything as something bigger.

To bad they cant be independent kek

If everyone was America

America wouldn't be superior anymore.

:/

If Everyone was Texas, Texas wouldn't be superior anymore. :\

^ True Texan here.

Tim = BluePilled |---------------------------------------<here>--| RedPilled

If everyone is America then nobody is America

For me, I think there's a far bigger issue at play and that's local control.

As the state gets bigger, it gets more distant

You can have the best State in the Union but I get the best Commonwealth

And can tend to greater corruption.

small scale government has lacked attention imo

It really has.

it goes unnoticed

The other thing is that it has been largely crushed.

people just vote for whoever they vaguely know

And is being threatened by the internet

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Local Control

the more local the better.

The Nation can't dictate your home's rules effectively.

The state can't dictate your city's rules effectively.

It's not just that the internet is bringing together larger groups. It's bringing people who are geographically disparate into the same echo chambers.

Some People lives in a shit hole, even though their's in an awesome State, keep it local

The United Nations can't dictate my life effectively.

the Federal System is supposed to allow for bottom up to some degree