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Any man who attempts to juxtapose, knowledge, wisdom, and action is halfway to being a degenerate.
In addition. most people who intellectualize say baseline shit and even the shit they do say that makes sense is going to be strawmanned. I mean look at that one vid of Jared Taylor giving a lecture in 2012 at a university. He says totally innocuous basic-bitch shit about freedom of association and 90% of the people who get up to talk to him strawman and say irrelevent feel-good cringeworthy plattitudes
that everyone claps over
also no radtrad would say everyone needs to read a ton of books. they just fail to realise that you can't accomplish shit just by reading books
they can't understand the "action is the only thing that enacts change" part
Jared Taylor's ideology is self-negating, as his morality precludes taking the action necessary to act on his conclusions. It's like political tease and denial porn.
I mean who really does a good job of deconstructing...uh FringeElements is pretty smart.
and even then, the main reason that doesn't matter
I read a lot of books because I like doing that in my spare time, not because I believe I'm preserving my people and restoring tradition by doing it.
Again, not shitting on reading and education. "Intellectualism is the sickness of the intellect". One man on the streets representing nationalism is worth 100 sperging on chans or on their private blog where they analyze Evola's early production and tantric yoga and fascism and whatnot.
is only a very small percentage of the population is smart enough to get what he's saying, and anyone relevant to tell that to that could theoretically understand it is someone with a vested interest in ignoring nuance anyway to push their leftist agenda.
Heimbach identified the problem correctly, this anonymous bullshit where people latch onto nicknames on the internet as some sort of actual physical movement leaders. Shit was bound to crash.
90% of the population is those people you see interviewed at protests who can't explain why they're there. This transcends political allegiances.
Also Parrott I love that article.
I can with total confidence say being out and out NS, writing for NRM with my name and face has only had a positive effect, the response has been overwhelmingly positive and no red has ever tried to start shit with me. Ever. Even though I live in pretty much in the commiest town in the country.
I'll check it
I think the fear of doxing far outweights the actual consequences.
that depends, really
I mean, even fucking Spencer only got punched and that's because he's a bit dumb and naive.
the system here has no mercy for nazis
Also to add on to leftist intellectuals you can't convince, many at some point flat out admit the issue isn't that they "know" their enemies are wrong empirically, they don't really care. They think it is something to be smashed to prevent genocide or whatever, so they don't care if nationalism is logical
Where is "here"?
Police is useless, except if you have nazi material in your house
Well, they're trying to outlaw us here after the Helsinki kickocaust, so...
and you're actively promoting it
And constantly trying to fuck shit up.
But no one here honestly joined the movement to get rich or famous, right?
To be fair KU, the culture of the USA is very different than say Finland. My understanding is Finland isn't that cucked, especially compared to the rest of Scandinavia. It's like in that halfway point. I think Denmark is the only other one that's sorta alright.
nigga if I wanted to be rich or famous I'd be a total sellout
Then again we're p much ex eastern block house nigger tier, there's zero repercussions for cops no matter what they do.
You can't even carry here.
can't carry here either
The social culture of the USA immediately dehumanizes you with zero nuance if you're labeled a Nazi
It's immediate pariah status
When we had the last independence demo the cops moves us closer to the reds - TWICE to start a fight.
But only Uncle Fester had any balls and he got fucking haymakered left and right by Hagberg and Mr. White.
fucking IRL lmao'd when they tasered him and dragged him into the cop car with his pants down at his ankles
@Murenu Idk what sort of White wonderland you think Finland is, but being a nazi is not okay. We got this sort of state enforced schizophrenia.
In Finland do they do the thing of labeling anyone with nationalist views Nazis blanketly? Like what views, regardless of labelling, would be controversial in Finland is my question?
It's alright to say Axis should have won, but racism is bad m kay. Luckily our patriotardism is FINLAND STRONK, FUG BOLSHIES sort and not the gay anti nazi type. But outside of that, not cool.
I'm not perhaps the best person to tell what a normie Finn is like, no friend of mine has ever had a problem with me being a nazi.
I've got these distinct two groups of friends, NRM and the rest, and the rest are totally cool with Hitler etc.
There's this line you see, as time goes on, and a society becomes more "PC", the views that are lumped in the all-encompassing term Nazi - which means a person who is a white "racist" functionally by the media and normies - becomes broader.
Like for example in some places they may delineate between being a nationalist and a mindless bigot, in the USA there isn't any delineation unless it is civic
and even so the accusation is made
frequently to civics
"muh america" types I mean
the mainstream in the USA has zero frame of reference to understanding ethnic or racial nationalism from white people that isn't "uhh cus they don't want to be around brown people?"
The civic/ethnic nationalist division is pretty American, I think. Here you say "a Finn", people obviously think of a blue eyed blonde, we've had nonwhites for +20 years, no one would swallow a somalian trying to pass himself as a real Finn, of course.
We haven't learned to civvic yet.
because it's been so thusly purged out of us over the past few decades
nationalism doesn't exist in any form here anymore
except for the Afrikaners
It's actually understandable considering what I just said that average normies assume anyone labeled a white nationalist hates anyone who isn't white
They have no frame of reference towards any other reason for it
Pop culture has given zero
The MSM is fucking cancer and everyone to the right of center-right completely disregards it, but I don't know if it's unique in that regard.
If any of you South Africans have a chubby cousin with a lazy-eye who's interested in a K1 visa, you let me know.
Euro media is basically translated American news two hours late
I suppose it got to this point in the USA primarily because this place not being an ethnic homeland of Europeans made it easy, the ties aren't as strong per say. That and we've detached the constitution from the mentality of the founders. It's essentially reiterpreted. I mean really they were white supremacists.
"Oh it's not in the document"
We have like a 1000 jews and they still somehow run the biggest newspapers and tv, it's incredible.
yeeeaaah because at the time white supremacy was such a given norm pointing it out is like announcing you're against pedophilia. Everyone assumes someone is. It's like an unspoken truth.
I'm gonna move to the US in about a year because of my 🍔 gf. Idk how long I will stay there yet though, maybe permanently, maybe not.
The jewish Erkko family owns Helsingin Sanomat and the Swede-Jew Hirschel family owns a good chunk of the TV.
here people are completely oblivious to jews
Luckily pretty much all our alt media is jew smart.
There's not really any counterjihadists to be found, thank God, they're the epitome of bluepilledness.
it's even hard to know who is a jew and who isn't because that sort of info just doesn't exist
I keep finding myself cucking for Islam. It's a balance dealing with the counterjihad types.
but they're still everywhere in the media
And they're the worst, because they consider themselves to be redpilled
Honestly I'd rather cuck for Islam than cuck for gays or Jews
There's no reason not to support SSNP and Hezbollah, NRM sure does.
Some of them are Breivik types who get the picture and are trying to be clever. Some are basic bitch. Some are deliberate shills.
There was even a bunch of Finns that visited SSNP offices in Syria.
Hell, Heimbach is all about SSNP, Hezbollah, and even DPRK.
Breivik's initial image and views were functionally European nationalist anyway. He said in his initial manifesto that Europe should say like 90% white or w/e
"The U.S.-based Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) is led by Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer"
The fact he eventually went full Nazi in prison is mostly an image change, it's rhetoric and symbols
Both of which are chosenites
When Heimbach has one too many beers: https://www.nknews.org/2017/01/enemys-enemy-the-trump-supporting-alt-right-and-north-korea/
Breivik just hyperfocused on Islam initially
Counterjihadism is 100% jewish, totally civic, pro sodomite, there's nothing redeeming in it and luckily they've been dying out everywhere.
Worst movement ever.
I don't know how much of Breivik was just him being not totally pilled and how much was the 1488D Chess
"Breivik has later identified himself as a fascist and voiced support for neo-Nazis, stating that he had exploited counter-jihad rhetoric in order to protect "ethno-nationalists", and instead start a media drive against what he deemed "anti-nationalist counterjihad"-supporters"
It exists because Islam is the most prominent mass immigrant group that causes problems.
"The muslims are coming for our precious faggots and feminists"
Good. Let them have 'em!
If that's true it's interesting
Now he's gone totally NS.
Mateen dindu nuffin
when he was first arrested he gave a closed fist salute
my friends are all counterjihadists 😂
It's painful to talk to them about politics
I'm so, so sorry.
Well what I am saying about Breivik is regardless of what symbolism or labels he chose to use, the guy was basically on board with keeping Europe mostly white from day fucking one, he flat out said so in his manifesto.
my friends are all retards with no political opinions
I've slowly pilled them on sodomites, but they still don't want the law to crack down on it
The manifesto pretty clearly looks like he had an elaborate scheme. Nothing like the refreshing clarity and simplicity of Roof's mini-manifesto.
Breivik has been pretty straightforward after the original tome
Plus there was a lot of baiting of the counterjihadist shills so I'm ready to believe it's an elaborate plan.
Apolitical types are fine. Just leave them be. Certain folks just aren't cut out for radicalism. Those types will be on our side after we reach critical mass.
And he's decently socially conservative from the manifesto too, supports nuclear families, against normalizing homosexuality - though I don't think he was for cracking down on anyone for just being gay.
Besides, he just tried to make it as long as possible, no one would doubt it then, right?
If I recall he had a lot against feminism in there
>certain folks aren't cut out for radicalism
But, we'll only know for sure when we break him out to lead the European Reconquista.
tbh some of the people I went to school with weren't cut out for having an opinion, period
one day I started analysing who would make a decent fascist
And there were people who are just useless
certain folks aren't cut out for life tbh my buddy
they don't give a fuck about anything as long as they get beer and weed
they're niggers with white skin
those are the exact types I'm talking about
Parrott is right though. Masses are apolitical, fence sitters don't give a shit about moral high ground or essays, but will sway to the strongest side.
Throwing away a beautiful gift
Only a minority of men are actually thinking. Most men and women just cultivate a list of political positions for their status and subcultural signaling needs, and that's all it comes down to.
It's like that Rockwell quote about revolution being a spectator sport
You can see it in the marches everywhere, they grow exponentially. It's harder to grow from 50 to 100 than from 1000 to 3000.
Growing from 1 to 5 was a bitch back in the day. 😄
Yeah the whole point of any political movement is to get the 90% of generic people who can't think much to side with you. That's what I was talking about regarding intellectualizing even when it is intelligent - for that to matter in the long run depends on basically changing the opinions on establishment intellectuals because those are the only people who could theoretically understand what you are saying and sway things - they won't though, they have a vested biased interest in fighting everything you stand for.
When there's 1k of people, ain't no one gonna give a fuck if you join them, right? Harder to pick out individuals, even the more normies get the balls to join the mass.
For the first two months I was hosting meetups, I literally sat for two hours like a jackass at Steak & Shake with my materials all set up and the waitresses feeling sorry for me.
And hell, when it's several ks of people, it's a privilege. There's this feeling in a huge mass of people who feel as you feel, almost something spiritual.
Then at some point the normies start actually making calculations about our strength and momentum.
that's when you have to organize marches and shit
when you see 3, 4k nationalists marching down the street
it has a HUGE impact
Those numbers are hard to come by in America.
Yeah. And the march just kept growing when we started marching, the line would never end as more poured in.
those numbers are hard to come by anywhere, although Europe is a bit easier
It was so beautiful, no lights but our torches, and the endless line of fire flowing through the treeless graveyard, you couldn't see the end or the beginning.
that was during an NRM march?
Well it wasn't all us at that point but yeah.
Normies were welcome but they knew perfectly well who organized it.
Several Finns and even visiting Swedes had brought wreaths for the SS memorial, I was touched.
Our challenge here in America is that Trump's election puts us in a strange and unfamiliar situation of being sort of half-assed aligned with the political leadership of the country.
Like, I can signal against trump and it doesn't matter. The pop culture battle is between the pozzed leftists and trump's nazis.
So we end up in this situation where we're brownshirts for a Zionist populist goof.
Normies don't get ideological nuance.
The normies have a point, in a way, though. Like, Trump's youthful base is pretty much a bunch of nazis.
America has become TRS.
His vanguard is, though surely he has no idea.
A bunch of fascists falling in line behind a Jew lover? 😄
>America has become TRS
l o l
Pro-jew pro-sodomite "Literal Hitler" saying some pro-white stuff now and then, when most of the followers are actual Literal Hitlers.
You can go even further
>Donald has jewish kids
>Eunuch had jewish wife
In my hometown's local room, shit's getting real bizarre. Like, I explained that I'm a white nationalist who's opposed to the Jewish oligarchs, and then the opposition claimed I was just like Trump so then half the town was on my side.
On facebook, that's how it plays out. You can say whatever edgelord shit you want, and as long as the normies can figure out you're basically on the Trump side, they've got your back against the Hillary supporters.
Maybe in an ironic fashion, the polarization over Trump's election actually is shifting the Overton window.
Not quite enough yet, but still
I think it's all for the win as long as the leadership don't waffle on the principles and don't lose sight of the goals.
Lots of opportunities.
Well, here on the streets you can easily get people to agree Hitler should have won (If you ask people if 'we' should have won, there's no way anyone will say "no" if they're not straight up red) but then have reservation towards NRM because we're tight with Swedes.
It's all dependent on how much nuance is allowed for a label or a set of views.
USA affords none for us, as I stated before, but that may be changing.
I mean look at the Spencer incident
MFW fucking Posobiec links NRM
I'm not too fond of the concept of a overton window
It's real and has merit but it debatably doesn't matter
let me finish ffs
I am lol
it's text you can't be talked over
the original overton window is bullshit
it's not about pushing boundaries in political discourse
it's simply a matter of what you can get away with (without being ostracised, beaten up or jailed)
and as it stands, you can't get away with any sort of racism or nazism in the USA
so no, the window hasn't moved
Are we allowed to chat yet?
It's impossible to give a worldwide standard for changing political discourse. Overton window is bullshit. It's a zero sum game, either you get away with it or you don't, there isn't, shouldn't and can't be a standard for it, if you're smart, you recognize it.
For example, MP can survive hanging out with us, while posting even friatider will get you fired in Sweden: http://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finns_party_mp_poses_with_national_socialists_at_memorial/8084384
To state that the window of acceptable discourse in public hasn't changed in the past couple years is absurd.
I've literally got multiple high school classmates liking my fashy social media posts and lamenting the refugee crisis, black crime, and Jewish bankers.
But then again, you couldn't directly link to our stuff. You have to maintain this air of plausable deniability
overton window states that public discourse changes when people start discussing increasingly extreme subjects
what happened in the US is simply a change of circumstances and issues perceived by the people
it didn't happen by gradually hammering anti-immigration talks on their ears
I was just defining it broadly by what is socially acceptable to talk about at least without being blanket-banned from the media/most people
maybe normies are a good frame of reference to use
You're defining it more specifically, I'm not
"ban the muslims," "end the fed," "America First," "nationalism against globalism,"... This shit wasn't allowed in public spaces a few years back.
but again what we've talked earlier makes more sense
I remember this case a True Finn representative from Vaasa was hanging out in this one skin joint, and leftist got butthurt, but he didn't get in trouble. But then another representative got a warning for posting ethnic hatefacts on FB.
people go with what is trending and with the stronger horse
What gets you in trouble and what doesn't is really ambiguous
From time to time.
Plausable deniability, that's how Plowshares into Swords can work with Actual Important People while being a raging closet nazi.
Hahah, oh yeah, and one union representative here is 3/4 open nazi, but what can they do, fire him, union representative?
Posts our stuff and wears stuff with iron crosses and swastikas but falls short of saying Hitler was right on his open FB.
Having people all along the way is well and good. Just as long as they're not signaling against the men to their right.
Especially if they're public men. We're all stocked up on bloggers and shit playing the entry level game.
Of course, we will never pander to anyone to the left of us, but if normies, especially those with reach wanna promote us, hell, it's all good.
For example, you cannot and shouldn't purity test thousands of people marching, even if all of them are not nazis, it doesn't matter if they all conform to nazi leadership. Sure the march had a few low info guys like "hrh moozlems worship the moon" or something, but as long as they don't lead shit, who cares.
☝🏻 🗡 ☪
Vice versa, if a bunch of nazis are led by TRS-tiers they'll never utilize a fraction of their potential.
Macro told the TRS almost cucked out of Chicago when the cops wouldn't hugbox you.
Yeah. The local guys came through, though.
If the cops don't show up that would be the greatest thing ever.
If you can't occupy public space without the assistance of law enforement, then you're not a legitimate political actor.
There was this hilarious time in Jyväskylä, DS wrote about it I think.
There are some regions we're not legitimate political actors in just yet.
Some day we'll march on Portland, and it'll be a thing of beauty. 😄
There were some +40ish guys, spread out over an area near a mall to hand out our newspaper.
A junkie trio sees one or two of our guys and start talking shit, spitting, pushing, you know how it is.
Then half a minute later they realize they fucked up so bad as +40 guys start pouring out from around the corner.
The guys chased them to the mall and start beating the shit out of them while the guys with shields keep cops out.
Probably why they banned shield from independence day march. Worth it still.
And back then it was wooden shields, break after a few hits, but most for the show, you know? We got proper riot shields these days.
The next time we demo'd in jyväskylä one of the junkies shows up, his face still looking like a checkerboard, all bruised, comes whining that "Fucking nazis, all you can do is beat people up."
Even though he initiated it, lmao. He was high on speed too, it's like no junkie has balls to confront us sober.
THAT'S A START
Yeah, that was back in 2015, a little less than a year after I joined.
Our nationalists here in the United States just stand there and take the punches on video with no security or contingency plans.
And then we're like, "Look! We got punched!"
Don't you know being beaten up by coprophiliacs makes you look respectable?
O P T I C S mate