Not American futurism

He's taken the SIEGEpill, I hear

He read it?

Yea, he sort of has. I don't want to speak for him though

He doesn’t like reading

I remember when I left Vanguard long time ago I told him he needed to read the book

Kruuz was he first one in Vanguard to understand SIEGE and leave

Then me, then Tyler who was the previous NJ leader

Everyone who left ended up in AW lol

AW is alright, but they aren't effective

Fucking AW...

Effective?

Are you saying the dropout method and agitating isn’t effective or what

I don't think they're alright at all tbh. I've only met 1 guy with AW that was cool.

oy vey

I’ve been in AW for a long time saying it isn’t effective is a meme at best

Our approach is entirely different

I think that we need to do more than agitate. And AW has devoted people, I won't take that from them, but I have noticed that many are really arrogant and uptight

I met 2 really solid AW guys at sville though

They were cool

Well what have you guys even done as of late. I hate the infighting shit but you guys act like you're one big shitpost.

You can’t really compare what we do to what everyone else does

Infighting?

White man lost a long time ago.

As in me shittalking AW infighting.

All we do is acknowledge reality.

Ok how? Give me an example?

I think siege teaches us some valuable lessons, but our primary concern should be projecting strength. We should project strength by getting the most out of every devoted, redpilled person, making sure that every act has a clear end goal

The only group we leave be is TWP.

Because TWP is consistent.

I mean infighting as in me being critical of AW just now I didn't mean you cause infighting.

All I have seen AW do is poster and bring james mason back

Which was cool

No doubt

What about all the banner drops?

But not exactly game changing

What strength? The entire point of SIEGE is mass strategy has failed and that the movement needs to adopt armed struggle

...spreading SIEGE was MASSIVELY gamechanging

This isn’t a contest of who can do more

That is retarded

No one claims to have done more if you want to play that game we can play it

Dick measuring contests are for faggots

No that isn't what I was getting at...

I mean how do you plan to achieve armed struggle if none of us can even get our dicks in a line

Ok but you’re making claims without backing it up

You said AW in fights

What claims lol.

No, I didn't.

I disagree with AW's strategy. Armed struggle is fine, I think that will be end result, but you have to do things to accelerate to get to that point

You feel?

I don't see AW doing things to accelerate

I said I was by questioning your group

Not that your group was doing the infighting

@BasedWhiteGoy if they were, they wouldn't post about them on the interwebz

You can't just retreat and wait for the collapse

You should try to help facilitate it yourself

What the hell

(FBI plz no bully)

Then I ecen followed it up a second time with "I mean infighting as in me being critical of AW just now I didn't mean you cause infighting."

even*

Alright I’m lost

You believe in accelerationism, right?

Where did you get the idea that we are retreating?

@BasedWhiteGoy ...no, they just spread SIEGE for fun

Accelerationism has many components

It’s such a broad term

Whatever is worse is bad

Whatever causes more chaos is better

Many things can contribute to that

Huffington post wrote an entire article on AW the other day

Because we made one poster about Charles Manson

And it blew up

lol

You know how much effort that took?

That's some good shit right there

@BasedWhiteGoy also, AWD did the Texas church shooting, didn't you hear?

Accelerationism, as in doing things that help accelerate the collapse. I think that postering is good to capture attention, but it doesn't accelerate, you know? Here is my issue with SIEGEpilled people, including AW

I’ve read SIEGE 3 times going on 4th Mason talks a lot about many ways to hurt the system

We all believe in acceleration here, I think

For instance

Dropping out and agitating

Obviously we can’t go into detail about that

@The Inquisitor [☧] But didn't you here Vanguards leader is James Fields <:totenthink:374717028012916746> \

Also, false flagging

Infiltrating local politics

Stirring up the reds

There is tons of ways to do this

I should infiltrate local dems and accelerate lol

Acceleration is best acheived by confronting the enemy. I am not saying how to do that, so not fedposting, just that you should. There are other ways to accelerate, but that is the most effective. Almost every collapse was precipitated by fighting in the streets between radicals

You can’t objectively say one way is better than the other because it depends on the circumstances

You don't go from where we are now to collapse instantly, it is a buildup of events

Joseph Tomassi said seize the time

Dude no one is saying that

Where are you getting this lol

From my understanding, AW eschews doing most anything above ground

Is that fair?

You believe in mostly underground activity

Yeah we adopt the NSLF philosophy

I don't want to mischaracterize you or your group

We do things above ground but we don’t do it in uniform

Unless you count banner drops

Okay. So my point is, I don't think its possible to accelerate sufficiently purely underground.

Above ground activity is necessary

And there are plenty of groups doing that

for example, TWP

Yes. But you agree that SIEGE opposes that activity, and AW is formed on the philosophy of siege? Is that fair?

well, nonviolent above-ground activity, that is

We have members attend shit we don’t do it in uniform

Except Redds

F

He does it in uniform

Just giving you shit

I know

No I’m saying there are different ways to go about things

Why wouldn't you want to go in uniform though? What is the disadvantage?

Not standing out

Redds were you one of the people at shelbyville? lol. I liked the two AW guys at sville

The hitler mustache guy was funny

that was me, although I'm not AW anymore

You were the hitler mustache guy?

Lmao, nice man

That was good shit

Why aren't you AW anymore?

because I was dumb enough to go in uniform, and my face got caught on camera

which was what the mustache was for, but it still presented too much of an OpSec risk

I'm too fuckin' stupid

Redds is a good lad though

An OpSec risk how though? This is my issue. You weren't doing anything illegal in the uniform, you weren't doxxed, so what is the risk?

Because he made the same mistake twice

in my case, very little, but they needed to set an example

Everyone was given directions and orders

Imagine if 40 guys from AW showed up in uniform, y'all would probably have been the most disciplined and most aesthetic people there, and had people knocking down your doors to join

If it was me I would’ve been gone too

Well we won’t be doing that

Although I’m not opposed to it

What was the first time? I wore my flecktarn once, but it was just the jacket, plus it didn't have the patch on

Like I said different groups have different approaches and focuses

I can only talk about so much obviously

Yea, ofc

You don’t know what goes on behind closed doors It’s meant to be that way

Implying theres 40 guys in aw

With all due respect

We have more than 40

I have considered joining AW if VA goes to shit

Lol i know im just joshin

Just not sure what I think about no above ground activity

If you want to go towards the rally approach and confronting the enemy head on go to TWP

We’ve done the same shit

Beating up commies is fun

But our entire focus is on other things same With our resources

I have considered starting an anticomm chapter. Anticomm had a good approach and then began to fell apart after the IGD article. Anticomm is a good concept because it emphasizes confronting the enemy where they are instead of being purely defensive

I don't like their gay ancap aesthetic

But they had the right idea strategically

Yeah it is a great idea

That’s the way it’s supposed to be done

Flash demos

Showing up at enemy events with a ton of guys

I encourage all of that

andycom's main problem was their leader was a narcissistic 18-year-old

Yea. Cville scared people, but it also put us in a compromising position. And from my understanding, they were pretty loosely organized, just like antifa

Which is one thing antifa has right

CVille was bad

Obviously from an accerlationist POV it’s good

But a lot of bad things happened

at least IE managed to bring down that helicopter

Yea, but I don't think we were ready for a lot of that acceleration. And because we allowed weak people to come, the weak links threw us under the bus

Was pretty shitty

Fuck IE, we gave them their shot at cville, if they want to unify, they can come to us next time

We tried coming to them

And they cucked out when things got a little rough

So fuck them

I remember Heimbach writing about how most of the alt-sodomite there refused to come out and reinforce the shield wall, even the ones with fucking shields

The shields were there for good optics man, you think shields are actually meant to be used?

What are you, a LARPer or something?

and something later came out that the organizers intended to use TWP and NSM solely for meatshields

That is what these soyboys think of us. They want to make us their SA and then stab us in the back when the time comes

Fuck them

THAT'S why I relentlessly attack the alt-right, and am opposed to the NF allying with the TRS types

because they're only here because they want to use you

Yep

@K Martin told me that after SVille, no less than three TRS podcasts attacked the event and the TWP specifically

Enoch is alright. I think he has come around and actually is on our side

Yeah a couple certainly poked fun

Well, I don't think enoch is on our side

I think Enoch is big tent

Wants to be friends with everyone

He is but that isn’t my issue with him

except for people who don't like racemixing

He’s involved with all the TRS scandals

I pretty much expected the "TradWorer" memes though...I mean whoever the fuck thought not adding a k to two shields needs to be rocked

they had a K, but it fell off

Not gonna talk about Enoch here anyways some people wouldn’t like it

Naw man, I have the pics. I'll post them in a sec, there was no gap for a k

@0823409823jsjsdf90723j2340sd he's not involved with *all* of them

I like enoch, but I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other

there's so many that that would be a difficult task

On him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvKYVNmsb4

Love this video and channel

Make great propaganda

<@&274905555318079488> can we have a "tradworer" channel for shitposting in?

hahahahaha

One of the shields is on the left, you can see there was no attempt to put a k in there

Jesus christ does this server have mandatory enoch debate every fucking night, this shit gets old

This channel turns to cancer about this time every night. Good thing i normally go to bed early

there hasn't been one so far

he got brought up maybe twice

in the context of a far greater debate

Yeah we should have a shitposting "TradWorer" party channel. If theres one thing we can own up to is the ability to meme ourselves.

I guess. But i was litterally checking off and on for a bit waiting for it cause i thought maybe its just here and there but then sure enough

I didn’t know it was a big deal here tbh

It happens almost every night about this time here

Funny

At first maybe

It should be a settled issue

you would think

I'm still stuck on the "TradWorer" issue we just glossed over.

Real Mikeposting hours

The Klan stole all the extra Ks

I fucking knew it

Seriously though, those shields need fucking fixed before our next event. Can you imagine if leftists were smart enough to pick those shields out of our line up?

They'd still be making fun of us

Good thing commies can't red

shit. Read*

Ironic

very

"red" is they only thing they're good at

Just about

We are leftists nigger, read horseshoe theory sometime

God

Fucking incels

Somebody on 8/pol/ once told me that @MatthewHeimbach "spews pseudo-Marxist drivel"

@Fevs make a shitposting channel called "TradWorer" so we can keep this General channel clear for more important messages

the same guy also believed that NRM was kiked because their founders were members of the Swedish VAM, which was named after the American WAR, which was founded by Terrible Tommy Metzger, who is bad because... reasons.

Wait NRM is kiked?

LOL

Yea, right

Lol

I had 4chan/8chan sometimes, so many spergs

*hate

8chan is mostly good, but there are spergs on there

Anyone think the TradWorker party could contest elections in areas like West Virginia?

If NRM is kiked, Europe is all but lost

Perhaps

NSDAP was Jewish controlled opposition

4chan pol is as shit tier as r/the_donald

@ac For sure

@Hadrian when you're literally a RightNatSoc, a la Leftcoms

OY VEY