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Kinda seemed like TWP under a different banner, filled the same niche
just from a cursory glance
openly fascist, similar aesthetic
I see what you are saying, why 'compete' with TWP and not just merge.
Yea, exactly, but I'd never seen anything with VA that made me want to join them
One of the leaders was ousted for publicly posting some pedophile anime shit, VA has constantly gone through splits and new leaders. VA has become constantly more nazi I guess, they used to countersignal and post in twitter how "classical fascism" =/= Nazism, but now they all seem to be on board of nazism, except the patriotards led by the kid who split off with PF.
Haven't seen any prominent figures from them similar to Heimbach that would draw people to them
Not to shit on VA or anything, they're probably fine people, always just came off as redundant to me
I hear you. I can't personally get inspired by the optics wars or group vs. group drama. If Patriot Front, which I am not a member of, gets lots of media attention that advances the cause of whites in our country, I am all for it. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that.
Agreed
I've never liked the whole optics debate much. They can do their americana thing, and if it works to advance our broader interests, great, just don't shit on other groups for doing something different as much of the optics cucks have done
They do seem to get some good attention. I don't have to like American Nationalism to respect that
The point with the optics war is that they're trying the old as fuck method of rebranding ethnic nationalism as patriotism, even Rockwell had to denounce that, we could have saved them the trouble of running a failing org for a few years before it collapses if even that, but some people are just immune to advice. They'll come over after they fail if they're serious about activism.
Why do we have to 'denounce' them because they like different colors and pants? I understand not wanting to participate, but why should I actively seek to discourage them?
nationalism is patriotism...but not exactly the ethnic part as America knows it.
everyone has been raised to view america as a melting pot
of many races
BUT
those races are to be assimiliated
under one banner
things went shit wrong since the 60's
America was founded based on the enlightenment values of equality between men so USA was founded on a failed and untrue premise.
any of these groups IMO advance the agenda
this is true
all men are not created equal
Dude, shir went wrong waaaayyy before WW2, kikes took over according to the laws of constitution, fair and square, and used their influence to push America to destroy Europe and kill their fellow whites and the only power capable of overthrowing jewish tyranny.
I see the communists moving in hard in the 60s. That was capstone on a long battle of Jews to take over our government
Too moderate groups are holding people back, when they could be fully redpilled, and sapping strenght from the more hardcore organizations that are in the right. Patriotic and conservative groups aren't a gateway to Nazism, despite of what the jews claim.
This is actually a theoretical question I've been wondering for long, does a more moderate organization sap strenght from the more hardcore organization and thus push the window to the left, or would the people attracted by the cuck version do anything at all without the lighter version?
depends on the person.
Heres my stance. Paul taught in the New Testament that we are all ' members of the body of Christ'. When I was trained to be a pastor, I was taught that it takes different types of churches to reach different types of people. I see nothing wrong with the same message being promoted with different types of optics to attract more people to the movement.
it think its a symbiotic existence.
I have to disagree. A lot of people used the alt-lite as a stepping stone to becoming an ethnic nationalist
I agree James
For example, does NRM attract people who would have otherwise gone to cuck groups if we had any, or do the people who would be attracted to alt light do anything right now, due to the lack of an organization moderate enough for them? It's a genuinely good question. I've talked with patriotards who take part in our demos despite of them being out and out nazi even though they're more moderate, but we're the only ones doing anything and doing it right, so they're on board for that, and become radicalized later. I've only had a few people telling they're unable to take part due to us being "too nazi". There's several types of recruit, one is, unideological, but feels something is wrong, and seeks a strong group to change that. I feel this particular type doesn't really care about ideological or presentation, but thinks purely in the terms of what is being achieved and done right now.
Libertarianism, although slowly, allowed me to embrace National Socialism over time.
@Arcturus good point, I came this position starting out as MERICA fuk yea person
I did the same to some degree, though differently than that exactly, I didn't just wake up one day and think hitler was a good person
lol me neither, the red pill has taken time to fully hit me
I woke up one day realizing Hitler was right, pretty much. I was apolitical, but I was surrounded by degenerates and subhumans, I read Mein Kampf and realized that he was on point about everything, and joined NS organization as soon as I could.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're the exception and not the rule tbh
A lot of people need to take baby steps to getting here
Yeah I passed through normie conservative, left-libertarian, Hoppean, and I-swear-I'm-not-a-Nazi on my way here
Not really. I know many ex-communists turned nazis. If you think about it, libertarian turned nazi is even weirder.
Both believe in equality, but libertarians don't even believe in a state.
I'd say a communist turned NS is weirder
that would be a huge switch out....or even a RINO to NS lol
Libertarians believe in hierarchy, right ones at least, communists do not
Not necessarily. An caps don't believe in a state, Libs believed in the smallest state possible.
Going from a private hierarchy to state hierarchy isn't as large of a leap. You at least acknowledge some are more fit to lead
Nah, they're aware there's an international class of capitalists stealing the wealth of nations, while libertarian would refer to that as commie talk. They're more on point on geopolitical issues as well, they're considerably more anti Israel and pro Iran than libertarians. They just haven't achieved race consciousness yet.
And libertarianism allowed me to embrace that people are different and should be treated as such while also disavowing faith in the cult of 'equality'.
https://dailystormer.hk/libertarianism-and-marxism-the-twin-offspring-of-liberalism/
Good one, recommended reading.
"The central underlying assumption of Marxism (and by extension, of all the SJW nonsense that is plaguing us today) is the notion that humans are fundamentally equal in their abilities (talent, potential, intelligence, etc). This is the logic behind the uplifting of Third World primitives to our level, the abolishing of gender roles, and all the other ills of the modern experience.
Libertarianism, on the other hand, is based on the notion that men are morally equal, which is to say that all men are selfish and self-interested. Thus giving any man power over others will lead to corruption, as he uses this power for selfish ends. But the ideology does recognize that there is a wide difference in abilities between men. From this dichotomy we get ideas like abolishing governments, or preventing state monopolies.
Marxism and Libertarianism, when presented this way, seem diametrically opposed; one believes in equality of ability but a moral hierarchy, while the other believes in moral equality but a hierarchy of ability. But both are still based on the liberal lie of equalityโthey just apply it differently. To the weak-minded emotional thinker, it is easier to accept the victim mentality that comes with Marxism, while to the rugged individualist itโs easier to accept the idea that everyone is selfish and that all authority is evil."
"The enemies of our people want us weak. With Marxism, they make us weak individually so that it matters not if we unite our forces. Through libertarianism, they insure that the strong among us stay isolated rather than uniting their powers and posing a threat.
We must abandon foolish notions of โobjectivityโ if those lead to our destruction. โFreedomโ is no different from โtoleranceโ. We all understand now that tolerance is not a virtue if the thing being tolerated is evil (bad for our people and against the natural order). Likewise, freedom to commit evil cannot be considered desirable. All that matters is freedom to do good. Today, we are not free to do good, because all laws are inverted by our enemies. Wishful thinkers long for freedom, thinking โwell, if we were totally free at least I could do the right thingโ. This is a compromise. Instead, we should long for total victory, where the only freedom is freedom to do good (meaning, what is good for our people). Our enemies certainly donโt cheer for the freedom to do what they donโt like, and neither should we."
I was just listening to Anglin today in a debate with Vox Day on 'Is NS a right wing or left wing movement?' Vox' argument was that the Right is concerned with the individual while Anglin argued the Right is concerned with tradition and the family unit.
vox is a fag lmao
The Vox/Anglin debate was really retarded. Libertarianism have this scale of their own that place themselves at one end and Bolsheviks and Nazis at the other.
Yea, Anglin trashed him.
Anglin has been kinda gay recently but he's right on that
He has supported relinquishing the control of the streets to reds and nogs in fear, total cuckoldry.
Also Muh American Nationalism Rebrand
Yeah, libertarians have this retarded political compass that's only up or down rather than left or right
I loved the part where Vox called him a liar, Anglin asked 'where specifically' and Vox was like 'Hold on, I'll look it up on my computer'
completely lacks nuance
And his Russia and Ukraine articles were fucking retarded always but I never bothered complaining about them but latest shit crossed the line.
If you are going to be on a recorded debate and accuse someone of lying, you mmmight want that info on the tip of your tongue
@Kombat-Unit I agree with what you said. About normies not caring so much about ideology than strength and action. Things are going so badly, and I saw Republicans as part of the problem and libertarians as weak. As @Hadrian once said strength projection works.
Patriotard libertarians are probably the most enraging to argue with after christian zionists because like them, they got a whole political language of their own no one else understands. Hitler was a bolshevik despite of rallying entire Europe to destroy communism. Liberals are nazis. Libertarian conservative christian is pretty much the peak cancer.
God loves the jewish people and capitalism.
I guess how easily you are converted to nazism depends on your race consciousness. Like Marx said, the workers in the most extreme conditions will achieve class consciousness, so the whites in the most extreme racial conditions will achieve race consciousness. If you're surrounded by nonwhites and degenerates, you will find people very receptive to Mein Kampf, even if it was the first political book they read. Kikes will tell you its boring to keep you away, but its the most exciting book I've ever read.
I'm working through it my second time around, it is an incredibly inspiring book.
It's hard to believe he didn't write it in our contemporary climate, it is shockingly relevant.
I'm thinking of the italian Fascist March on Rome. At the time, their party wasn't the most populous, just better organized and built upon the notion of directed energy/action. The Italian government was then mired in incompetency, much like America Today. This is why I fully support TWP tactic of street organizing, building a presence and projecting strength. It works.
I know, right? I have said it here dozens of times how its always so timely like it has been written yesterday. Truth has that amazing quality of being timeless. No one ever in world history has managed to so accurate describe and pinpoint the problems of the Western society and offer solutions to them like Adolf Hitler.
Every time you pick it up, doesn't matter what you read, it's so accurate it's like it had been just written, to the smallest detail. I constantly quote it religiously because everything has already been said in it much better.
@MadKicker Very true. People are pissed at the basic bitch GOP because they bravely do the honorable thing and lose rather than fight and get a little bloody in order to actually accomplish something
That's why Trumpiian civic nationalism is becoming popular. They still ognore the important issues of race etc, but at the very least they're willing to ignore precedent and "the way things just are" in order to actually do what they want
And the people respect that they're willing to show strength instead of bravely losing
like they're supposed to
Civic nationalism is jewish controlled opposition to the actually dangerous ethnic nationalism. That's what they do in Europe, support some impotent patriotic party to leech support from people who could actually change things. We elected civic nationalists years ago, and now ethnic nationalism is rising because we gave them a chance, nothing changed, so we're swinging even more to the right, because only those believing in blood can solve our problems. It seems USA had to follow the same path, at first voting civic cucks and getting their first taste of faux patriotism, before realizing it as a failre and abandoning it in favore of ethnic nationalism and real solutions.
Yes, you're right of course
I'm not saying that its a good thing, it isn't. I'm just explaining why normies are finding it more appealing than the establishment conservatives.
I don't like what they stand for, but they're willing to actually take stept to accomplish what they stand for and win
Yeah, it's the first taste of the forbidden fruit.
I don't think the masses here will ever adopt ethnic nationalism. I was just in a facebook group a few days ago talking to some civnats/centrists and the lines have been drawn in the sand here a long time ago
Dangerous n a t i o n a l i s m
We were able to latch on to /r/ the donald and civnats and take from them in the beginning
But the lines have been drawn now
they'll latch on eventually
Once we establish ourselves as a legitimate ideology and show that we have teeth, the fence sitters will fall in line
>I don't think the masses here will ever adopt ethnic nationalism
Don't be a defeatist cuck. I doubt even a few decades ago Americans believed whites and negroes were identical. USA is just a couple of years behind the curve. When I started going to nazi demos, they had dozens of people, as opposed to thousands you have now. We can all do it.
Don't tell me USA is more cucked than Sweden.
Congratulate me. NOW!
Congratulations
Where TF is Choady and Roni dammit!
The problem isn't that we are more cucked, its that we don't have as many radical leftists here. In Sweden, the far left helped accelerate things and radicalize the right
Here the radical left is a joke
European antifa are a legitimate threat, American antifa are not
The vast majority of people are ideologically weak and want a strongman and a strong ideology to look up to. We'll provde that, and they'll fall in line because that's what they do
@BasedWhiteGoy Nah man, they're a similar joke world over:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQwGylxhMzc
Teen girls, drum circles, trannies. A joke.
I think the vast majority of people will take neither side, in the american revolution only 3% of people took part on either side
Directly or indirectly
That's how it always is, revolution is a spectator sport like Rockwell said.
Thanks. AWS wants me for a hardware engineer.
They are lemmings who will just accept the established order so long as the powers that be provide them with material comforts
Yea
Most centrists I talk to basically have the mentality that "I am doing fine so everyone else must be doing fine by extension"
It is what happens when individualism poisons people's minds
NATE
lols
Poland's nationalist march today looked pretty awesome
Yes it did
Gave me a high hard one to see them dumb Polacks marching for their own interests.
Duder, so much of the problem is changing social perceptions. I have dislikes about Jared Taylor, but he once pointed out that whites already show behavior such as preferring white churches. It's implicit whiteness. We've got to undo white guilt. Do it by example. Be very open about it. We can continue meming online and admit we're engaging in a counter culture war against cultural marxism.
we're going to need to take away peoples' material comforts
End the bread and circuses
Make work great again
Mine will be, I'll be in the data center working with the gear that brings you The Internet 3.0
>implicit whiteness
Crackerdom
We need to encourage more of this Negro Felon LEague protesting and these sex abuse cases exposed
they're startign to turn off niggerball and their favorite shows are being cancelled
their favorite actors are being exposed as jewish perverts
people are starting to realize that pop culture is poison. Slowly, but it is happening
I've looked at the comments on an Alex Jones youtube channel, and it's full of anti-jewish delightfulness. Take heart, the Goyim know, even in controlled op places.
So, team. Here's what I have to be happy about! I am going out west to interview for a job, all expenses paid, with Amazom Web Services
congrats
$70-80K per year salary
Which will buy me a KabKing 8" cabochon machine and a LOT of rough rock for slabbing & cabbing!
A new boat, a house, a bitch and hopefully a dog
Do the sweden democrats counter signal NRM @Kombat-Unit
Yes
SD are no good lol.
ah
๐ฆ
are they basically civnat tier
Not even.
Theyre just anti muslim kind of cause they hate gays and wont integrate
Generation Identity-tier.
Not even
damn
generation identity actually does good work even if they are kinda cucked
@BasedWhiteGoy Yeah nigger, you serious, SD are hardcore kike cuckolds, they'll be roped with the rest of the traitors.
i didn't know much about them
but fair enough
If you arent a nazi, expect a rope tbh.
SD leading positions are literally filled with kikes.
http://www.radioislam.org/islam/svenska/fildok/filer/tutti/zionit-bilder/Avner-Ben-Yisrael-SvenskJudiskDialog-Jomshof-SDs-valvaka-2014.jpg
Civic not even ONCE
lmfao. and these are the groups that are called "far right"
And Martin Sellner from Generation Identity is a major cuckold who countersignals NS at every turn.
Theyre far right to dumb americans
oh yeah, not saying they are the best group. golden dawn and NRM are the best out there rn
is it a myth or legit that the police side with golden dawn
if its true, that is pretty based
Polish nationalists have great aesthetics, I wonder if the cucks have already countersignaled them for looking too much like thugs.
Nah, police is the main enemy of all organized NS. Even if some cop voted for GD, it's still them who dragged the GD members to jail at the orders of zionists.
opticucks be like "I saw one celtic cross at that march, fucking LARPers!"
how to trigger an opticuck: the same way you trigger a boomer
anything but their flag
https://twitter.com/BotVdb147/status/929452903961591813
You'll never please the pathetic opticscucks, just project strenght, they'll call you thug and a hooligan anyway. Even if they ran the objectively most successful hardcore nationalist rally, cucks are still gonna whine
yea but i heard police in greece actually stood down when GD beat the shit out of lefties
and helped them in some cases
lol
might have been shitlib propaganda though so i question it
Standard response of the antifas is that cops are secret nazis.
and yea you will never satisfy opticucks. I heard some opticucks call Azov battalion LARPers lol
If even a militia fighting a fucking war is LARPing to them, idk what isn't
yea, ik lol
i wish
The internet has jaded people too hard
They see random pics of 1.0s looking dumb so then anything even associated with direct NS looks like that to then
To me. Its more of a larp to beat around the bush and hide what youre actually about. Thats role playing.
yea, i agree
actual ww2 veterans: ww2 was fought in vain
me, a certified keyboard warrior: ha natzees lost get over it
>do something
>you're larpers
If someone says larper as an argument i just disregard them
the larper accusation has become meaningless
Actually i disregard all arguments because i dont care
I have one goal.
just a way for keyboard warriors to feel better about being cowardly faggots
The preservation of the white race.
Doesnt matter how dirty I play
we do what's necessary to secure the existence of our people and a future for white children
though I can't say that "existence" is enough for me
Galactic reich
Galactic Lebensraum
I'll settle for nothing less than the establishment of the Thousand Year Reich
I made a thing goys. In honor of Cantwell getting two of his charges dropped, I put my own twist on a song I'm sure you all know. I'm no singer and I couldn't find my good mic, but I'm sure ya'll will appreciate it nonetheless. Check it out
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KcaeVRZBds4
We just did like ten flyers all over busy areas.
IOTBW fliers or TWP ones?
The latter.
Former.
I mean lol.
Some dude saw it and laughed.
I should make some of those tomorrow, maybe I'll go to the library
actually bad idea, the library is in a black and hispanic area
We got a library lol.
Several big stores.
@BasedWhiteGoy Since you brought GI up. Wanna cringe? Apparently they started Identity UK branch a few days ago:
"1. GI is no old-right wing movement. If youโre a part of any kind of national socialist/fascist/chauvinist group or have such ideas, please leave.
3. We donโt make any chauvinist remarks about other religions/ethnicities/races โ not even for fun. We strive to be the avant-garde of this generation โ behave like such or leave."
https://identitarian-movement.org/get-active/
FAQ page consists entirely of them telling they're not racist.
From Independent article:
*Asked about the volume of racist and antisemitic responses from supporters replying to the groupโs online posts, the 38-year-old said anyone who โtries to bring up the Jewish questionโ is prevented from formally joining GI.*
Alt light youth vanguard against radical nationalism, fascism and racist and jew jokes led by a catlady. Sounds inspiring and fun.
I wouldnt trust people like those who sell themselves as anglophone identitarians
That's a European Continental thing
Dies anyone in here remember the name of the man that said something along the lines of his only regret was that he didn't join Hitler's army sooner?
There was a video of him. An old man. I can't find it now
I wouldn't either for so many reasons. This will never rise from the ground, and if it does, it'll be even funnier watching cops crush the group despite of her desperately denouncing and distancing herself from racists. I have seen this happen so many times before. And as she said, fanatics and radicals aren't welcome, and what sort of casual alt light hipster will stay when shit gets serious? Only fanatical nationalists will survive in UK, and not even all of them.
Also 10 pounds for 5 stickers wew
Not to mention Generation Identity is pointless even in continental Europe when there are superior non civic cuck groups.
This isn't even first time they've tried starting GI UK.
I mean, who wouldn't want to be in the cool youth vanguard with stuffed shirt moratorium on fun
@Kombat-Unit I mean, Identitarians are effective sometimes
But when we try importing them to the anglosphere
It doesnt work out
I dunno dude, small scale flash demos and the Defend Europe ship thing and nothing really came out of it. And Martin Sellner is a similar cuck, there's like half a dozen articles where he whines about nazis and how dear jews are to Europe, just full on cucking. There's no justification for GI's existence, and the very premise for their existence is faulty when they view this as a cultural war.
Like 40 flyers so far.
Public spots.
You're still going?
Geez man making it an all day thing, good shit
http://earringsforpalestine.bigcartel.com/product/intifada-earrings can anyone tell me the veracity of this website
i want a hezzbollah shirt
don't buy from websites that support Palestine
Why?
Palestine is a fake country that never existed
most likely those Palestine support groups are run by leftists or commies.
and the funds will probably go to jihadis and migrants.
Can you back that up?
There probably isn't overabundance of shops selling Hezbollah shirts.
The land that the British made into their protectorate was under Ottoman rule as Southern Syria
they're not a separate people with a different history
That's a favorite Zionist talking point how Palestine didn't exist, so jews are the rightful rulers of the area. There's no legitimate state in the area, but if any group had claim to it, probably the local arabs.
and they have no inherent right to that land
the only legitimate claim to it is the Kingdom of Jerusalem
Kombat-Unit is right.. That's about the only site I can find that sells hezzbollah shirts and im not even sure if they're male
Might just go for some shit like Zazzle
I see, but the only way christians are going to Israel is to die for the Jew State so optimal situation is Hamas beheading all the kikes and setting up a country on the bloody ruins.
Palestine is gay. Israel is also gay.
nuke the whole region.
Syria might have a good claim on it, but they don't seem to want it. I can't blame them, too many jews
Islam is not an inheriently bad religion - in muslim areas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt47llMalmc
The music is dope.
I don't think we should try to colonize the Arab World with Christians
@Hadrian But al-Assad supports officially Palestinian aspirations, only major arab leader supporting them anymore with his fellow Ba'athist Saddam's death.
we could just do what my namesake did, Emperor Hadrian
All arabs except for Syria are traitor states
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