"Christian faith is a heroic, manly thing. God speaks in blood and Volk a more powerful language than He does in the idea of humanity."-Joachim Hossenfelder head of the German Christian Movement

@Tarnfurt "And the time rolls on"

this is one of the most contentious issues within the movement, i know that

Yeah np, Protestantism cut itself off in many ways from the Orthodox view of nation and the fact in Orthodoxy to change dogma, its basically impossible due to the nature of church councils

Protestantism in Germany was closer to Orthodoxy than Catholicism, but both were missing key elements of what Fr. Martin Luther famously said "the Truth lies with the Greeks"

why didn't Luther become orthodox?

Mostly the fact that he wanted Rome to get back to its roots, which would have been Orthodoxy

Father Luther never wanted to split from the Catholic Church, only fix it

seems like he'd have an easier time accomplishing that by sparking an Orthodox revolution as opposed to the Protestant one

after hearing catholics talk about him

you'd think he was satan

Tbh he said even the Turks were better than the Pope, I don't know how much of his orthodoxbooness comes out of theological considerations and how much is just countersignaling everything the Pope does. But yea.

why the heresy with sola scriptura and sola fide, then?

I have huge respect for Fr. Luther. The German people shouldnt be sending money to Rome, they should be helping their countrymen, they should be their own bishops, the mass should be in germany etc

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

After the latest I have taken a strict anti catholic stance

*German

I'm of a different mind

as bill the butcher said in gangs of new york "Christian god guide my hand against this roman popery"

@CatoHostilius is a staunch TradCat and i'm interested in his opinion

Sola scriptura is goofy, because the Scriptures weren't codified for 400 years almost after the death of Christ. How could we have Christianity without the Bible as the only document to judge things off?

The Sacred Tradition and Sacraments of the Church is the Faith

I feel we should all stay in our own nation states of course, but if the Catholic church Can help other countries with their outreach, then that's a good thing

@CatoHostilius For the record, several of our State leaders are Catholic and I adore and love them.

If Luther knew that, why'd he eject the Septuagint and abide by (a hypocritical) sola scriptura

Luther wasn't perfect, nor was Rome, nor is Orthodox hierarchs. Remember, as Saint John Chrysostom said “The road to Hell is paved with the bones of priests and monks, and the skulls of bishops are the lamp posts that light the path.”

Our duty is to keep to the Faith and our traditions, simple as that

"Both negate race and private property; they indulge in brainwash, treason, subversionand have resorted to torture and war to get where they want to go, and supposedly a movement for the poor, the hierarchy of both is filthy rich. The Pope and the International have a lot in common with regard to questionable national loyalties and I wonder how the Church would fare against a 'House Un-American Activities Commitee'-style investigation."

I also feel that the tithes mostly go to your local church in the first place

Especially true with the new Pope.

Oh I have naught but disdain for the commie pope

If anyone is interested in my breakdown of Orthodox nationalism in scripture and tradition... https://www.tradworker.org/2015/01/orthodox-nationalism-a-basis-in-scripture-and-sacred-tradition/

“the Church unites in herself the universal with the national… Orthodox Christians, aware of being citizens of the heavenly homeland, should not forget about their earthly homeland… Christian patriotism may be expressed at the same time with regard to a nation as an ethnic community and as a community of its citizens. The Orthodox Christian is called to love his fatherland, which has a territorial dimension, and his brothers by blood who live everywhere in the world. This love is one of the ways of fulfilling God’s commandment of love to one’s neighbor which includes love to one’s family, fellow-tribesmen and fellow-citizens...

The patriotism of the Orthodox Christian should be active. It is manifested when he defends his fatherland against an enemy, works for the good of the motherland, cares for the good order of people’s life through, among other things, participation in the affairs of government. The Christian is called to preserve and develop national culture and people’s self-awareness.”-Russian Orthodox Church declaration On Church and Nation

I still have to write the tenants for this
https://thestarboardstuff.wordpress.com/2017/05/23/heresy-on-my-website/

Lol Esoterism Heimbachism?

it was something I made up when I was bored

I wanted my website to be an alt right onion style

Mr. Heimbach, allow me to say that you are a personal hero of mine and "meeting" you has only reinforced that

you're a true leader

thanks man!

i appreciate that, i really do

It feels good to have a leader

I agree

There is a sense of actual purpose

My heart was immensely warmed to see the "Jesus Loves You" sign

unironically Hail Heimbach

88

hail heimbach

Well hey, without you guys, I'm just Bruce Willis from Die Hard: With a Vengeance

Seriously though, thank you guys

Thank *you*

"Peace is not the law of action in a fallen world. One has either to accept violence — the condition of any development in Time, — and to fight, with the methods of the fallen world, against that world, and “against Time,” for a Golden Age ideal, or to project that ideal “outside” this visible and tangible earth, according to the words of Jesus of Nazareth “My Kingdom is not of this world” (and the words of the Christian hymn: “This world is not our home...”1) which express the attitude of all men essentially “above Time." - SD on turning the cheek.

SD? Sepp Dietrich?

for me its like me and matt are roughly the same age

Savitri

ah

If he can do stuff I shouldve been doing stuff

“If you avoid dying for the honor and freedom of the Fatherland, you will die a criminal or a slave; die for the faith and the Fatherland and you will be granted life and a crown in heaven.”-St. Philaret of Moscow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct-bU0XqvHI I vow to Thee, my Kinsmen

Having a spiritual home doesn't negate fighting for your physical home

brb

Exactly, it was a rare compliment towards christianity from SD, since the too are able to envision the "Golden Age" and struggle towards it, even in a fallen world, just like National Socialists.

If you ever get the time, I'd be curious as to your thoughts on this book, i found it very informative and thought provoking https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Reich-Conceptions-Christianity-1919-1945/dp/0521603528

I'll add it to my reading list, fo sho. Ever read Anton Holzner?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289822807234314240/357581959808942090/Anton_Holzner_-_Hitlers_Priest_collection.pdf

I never actually have, ive heard about it

I would likewise be very curious of your thoughts.

dude became an SS officer, right?

if memory serves me right

Yeah, he used to be a priest in the Catholic Church, but then he said "Fuck this" and put on Hugo Boss.

I wish he'd put on the Hugo Boss like Leon Degrelle and stayed a priest, but that's just me

Degrelle was a hero

what do you think of the capoid ethiopids? they're orthodox. Should we be extending aid to them once our own people are taken care of, or do you hold Dr. Pierce's position that we shouldn't even *consider* it

I read "Eternal Front" and "Master Life" by Holzner from Third Reich Books, immediately fell in love with them. It's easy to see why a National Socialist would find being loyal to an international raceless authority to be in conflict, but this is just one position, and even if you didn't agree with his conclusions it contains absolutely irreplaceable wisdom every NS can agree with.

@MatthewHeimbach “Honor means loyalty toward God’s order of creation, toward the life laws, toward the voice of blood, toward himself. The Almighty has placed the laws of action for people and folks in their blood inside them, in their conscience. To be loyal to these divine laws and hence to be an executor and fulfiller of the divine work of creation and of the will of creation, that is the greatest and highest thing for people, that is their honor.”
- Anton Holzner

Aye, very true

@MatthewHeimbach i'm curious about your position on the non-White orthodox

Out of boundless altruism we should speed up them reaching the heavenly joys.

Lol

Dr. Pierce said we shouldn't even *consider* famine relief for them

i see his point

but i know the Church would disagree

The St. Petersburg Theological Academy in May 2001 released a document on globalism that stated “The ideology of globalization is in opposition to the Christian world outlook and incompatible to it; it takes root and is propagandized in the secular society and the Church through the efforts of the world elite and it expresses its interests. Globalization becomes an embodiment of the utopian idea of mondialism about creation of a unitary, supranational and rigidly controlled community on Earth.”

Globalism, of which even food aid would be a part, is against the church

Besides, foreign aid is generally counterproductive even if you felt for the negro orthococks.

If hypothetically EVERY single one of our people in our nation was taken care of, then our next duty would be all Europeans, and so on

Out duty isnt to pad the pockets of some somali warlord even if he is orthodox

And those niggers who were hungry when WLP recorded those broadcasts, well, too late for them to say the least.

i understand fully the doctrine of exterminationism

i think it's logically sound

i'm just trying to reconcile what Dr. Pierce said with what i believe in the Church

We just focus on us

Then all Europeans

Dr. Pierce wasn't a prophet, he wasn't even Christian. But it's tough to know what must be done but also hear the Church's message of compassion

and by the time we've fed every European, ensured total social justice etc; we'll be on Mars

If we just cut the Negro off from food aid, their population would return to a sustainable level and theyd be better off in the long term, and no longer a threat to us

Their population has to fall at some point, it is unsustainable. Might as well just get it over with and worry about feeding our people

makes sense.

It isn't better to feed two foreigners and let your 1 kinsmen die. Scripture itself tells us in 1 Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Your job is your people, and to not take care of your people, you're literally denying God's explicit command

Yeah I mean, we became National Socialists because our race is being endlessly abused by our own rulers. When we have intergalactic nazism, then we can think about the rest. Maybe. The last thing the world will run out is bleeding heart liberals, and NS state has indefinitely higher concerns than niglets from Unicef ads.