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2019-03-10 16:22:48 UTC

The problem with Venezuela was that they printed too much money compared with their productive capacity

2019-03-10 16:23:13 UTC

If increasing money supply leads to demand still below production capacity, inflation won’t become cyclical

2019-03-10 16:27:02 UTC

andrew yang's version of ubi says you can keep your existing welfare

2019-03-10 16:27:06 UTC

if you prefer that

2019-03-10 16:27:41 UTC

i'm sure there are some versions of ubi that make more sense than our current welfare system

2019-03-10 16:28:24 UTC

well, maybe

2019-03-10 16:30:06 UTC

a critisism of ubi is that if you replace welfare with ubi, that it takes away from those who actually can't work and need it the most

2019-03-10 16:30:37 UTC

if you keep welfare and add ubi on top of it that seems incredibly expensive

2019-03-10 16:45:53 UTC

i just don't see a problem to be fixed, what is the problem to which UBI is the solution? we can reform welfare

2019-03-10 16:46:10 UTC

low-inflation-low-growth enviornment? huh? isn't the economy doing great?

2019-03-10 18:23:22 UTC

Visitor that is a recipe\ for disasters, QEs are horrible

2019-03-10 18:23:40 UTC

@Eno_ UBI might be as bad as a minimum wage

2019-03-10 21:15:44 UTC

UBI will eliminate the need for a minimum wage

2019-03-10 21:15:45 UTC

But ok

2019-03-10 21:21:01 UTC

Hell yeah

2019-03-10 22:01:24 UTC

But UBI produces the same benefit to everyone

2019-03-10 22:01:37 UTC

Now you could supplement that with disability income for those who can’t work if you want

2019-03-10 22:01:41 UTC

Idk

2019-03-10 22:01:57 UTC

And that’s what QE4P would seek to reform @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ

2019-03-11 09:29:14 UTC

UBI like the equally destructive Minimum Wage incentivises people to demand higher wages and guess what higher wages do? They incentivise employers to hire less and invest more in labor saving technology. Then to make matters worse because the funding for UBI comes completely out of one of these methods of destruction:
1. Taxes-Employers cut back in the here and now thus reducing the number of wage earners
2. Inflation-Employers attempt to invest more in technology now to eliminate labor in the future

There are other problems too, UBI also strips consumers of the ability to dictate the market. In the marketplace wealth is earned by generating value. When someone purchases a good, they’ve earned the money they are spending by having produced something. This is not the case with welfare programs like UBI. Money is forcibly taken from those who have produced enough to earn it, and given to those who haven’t. This allows for people who aren’t producing wealth to continue to consume goods. Eventually all government welfare leads to the consumption of wealth, or at the very least, a reduction in the amount of wealth that would have been accumulated otherwise. When entrepreneurs have less need to respond to the needs and desires of their customers, consumers will find themselves with fewer choices and with inferior choices. This means that overall welfare makes everyone poorer than they would have been in a free market

@Anon365 there’s many problems with the UBI but that’s a few of them. It can be equally as bad as minimum wage

2019-03-11 09:30:46 UTC

And I doubt it’ll be stopping at 1k a month, a bit like how the income tax was supposed to stay at 1%.

2019-03-11 09:48:06 UTC

Just saying, the top tax rate was never supposed to stay at 1%

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/554601435547959297/image0.png

2019-03-11 09:48:39 UTC

Yeah I mean it was the highest it was going to get

2019-03-11 09:48:42 UTC

7-1%

2019-03-11 09:48:46 UTC

That’s what they said atleast

2019-03-11 09:50:57 UTC

The highest lowest tax rate?

2019-03-11 09:55:54 UTC

Ya

2019-03-11 10:41:15 UTC

My mom believes in white male privilege.

2019-03-11 10:41:42 UTC

Tried to explain how it's not real because black people can and have become extreme successes.

2019-03-11 10:41:52 UTC

LeBron James.

2019-03-11 10:42:17 UTC

Bad president Obama.

2019-03-11 10:42:28 UTC

Etc.

2019-03-11 10:42:43 UTC

Honestly this liberal plague even divides families.

2019-03-11 10:43:03 UTC

One side of my family are right wing or a little right some left.

2019-03-11 10:43:19 UTC

The other side is left and a few right wing

2019-03-11 10:43:47 UTC

My parents divorced because my dad did nothing.

2019-03-11 10:44:02 UTC

Yet working over 1 job and paying for everything is helping.

2019-03-11 12:54:33 UTC

"White privilege" unironically exists

2019-03-11 12:55:21 UTC

It's just in-group preference and whites are the majority so they enjoy the benefits of most people in the country having a favorable bias towards them

2019-03-11 18:26:43 UTC

And not just in-group, if you have that kind of dominance then other groups may start to adopt a favorable bias as well. But yeah well put oyangus

2019-03-11 18:31:18 UTC

Theres no such "real privilege"

2019-03-11 20:24:09 UTC

there goes impeachment

2019-03-12 00:17:49 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/554820308830257185/81ZPQaki-TL.png

2019-03-12 00:42:13 UTC

If found send back to Hawaii

2019-03-12 00:52:15 UTC

*Kenya

2019-03-12 02:10:02 UTC

Don't be stupid

2019-03-12 02:10:06 UTC

Obama is from Mars

2019-03-12 02:10:09 UTC

Not Kenya

2019-03-12 02:10:32 UTC

Or Hawaii

2019-03-12 09:10:08 UTC

https://www.apnews.com/4516833e7fb644c9aa8bcc11048b2169

“But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program."

2019-03-12 11:09:19 UTC

Abolish the government

2019-03-12 11:09:28 UTC

Except the police fire and military

2019-03-12 11:09:39 UTC

Go back to the 1800’s

2019-03-12 11:09:59 UTC

u think anyone back then gave a shit about anything government wise

2019-03-12 11:10:01 UTC

no

2019-03-12 11:10:04 UTC

it was epic

2019-03-12 12:00:46 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/554997212262825985/image0.png

2019-03-12 12:00:51 UTC

Muh graph

2019-03-12 12:04:01 UTC

Recession is fake news.

2019-03-12 14:45:48 UTC

**no u**

2019-03-12 15:16:10 UTC

rekt

2019-03-12 15:23:20 UTC

This is better

2019-03-12 15:23:25 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555048208666198026/image0.png

2019-03-12 15:23:28 UTC

The adjusted version is more accurate

2019-03-12 15:24:02 UTC

( Notice the 40s-50s was very stable strong growth with not one recession, that was the closest separation of bank and state)

2019-03-12 15:28:58 UTC

A lot of bad stats back in the 1800s

2019-03-12 16:16:17 UTC
2019-03-12 16:16:23 UTC

We're all privliged here

2019-03-12 16:16:29 UTC

We were born in devloped countries

2019-03-12 16:16:35 UTC

You cant control where you're born

2019-03-12 16:16:56 UTC

Be born in a refugee camp in Africa then come tell us that privlige isnt real

2019-03-12 16:17:08 UTC

Dude that’s just deep shit

2019-03-12 16:17:21 UTC

I mean like how libTARDS say white privalage

2019-03-12 16:17:50 UTC

Privlige based on race isnt real anymore

2019-03-12 16:17:53 UTC

Class privlige exists

2019-03-12 16:18:12 UTC

Being born in a middleclass/rich family gives you a giant advantage over someone born into poverty in a poor area

2019-03-12 16:19:06 UTC

There are parts in the deep south where there's literally no opputunity to suceed unless you are either: really intellectually/phyiscally gifted, or if you join the military

2019-03-12 16:23:30 UTC

Right wing states have lower economic mobility than left wing states on average

2019-03-12 16:32:41 UTC

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ but wouldn’t that data be skewed due to the rise and fall of manufacturing in America

2019-03-12 16:35:41 UTC

Like how industry rose rapidly in the middle and end of the 1800s, while sectors like agriculture stagnated

2019-03-12 16:45:19 UTC

Industry was only a tiny part of the total economy in the early 1800s too

2019-03-12 18:07:58 UTC

@Leo (BillNyeLand) Industrial production is just production of goods and services.

2019-03-12 18:08:16 UTC

@chad yeah thats different though.

2019-03-12 18:08:20 UTC

But it's not just right wing or left wing

2019-03-12 18:13:43 UTC

It's more about the mentality

2019-03-12 18:14:04 UTC

Of course you're going to succeed if you're smarter etc, infact anyone can work hard and succeed

2019-03-12 18:14:11 UTC

it's just purely choice 99% of the time

2019-03-12 18:14:23 UTC

Nah

2019-03-12 18:14:38 UTC

Plenty of it is genetics

2019-03-12 21:42:31 UTC

Equal opportunity is the foundation of a free, fair, and prosperous economy

2019-03-12 22:14:32 UTC

america is a mediocre place for mobility among developed countries

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555151671869571082/The_Great_Gatsby_Curve.png

2019-03-12 22:23:37 UTC

(only the y axis is relevant to what I said)

2019-03-12 22:29:37 UTC

Who do you guys think will win the 2020 election, and why?

2019-03-12 22:30:36 UTC

I can’t tell yet

2019-03-12 23:12:44 UTC

Probably Trump, too much split voting in the Dem Party, Bernie, Biden, and lots of women compared to just one in 2016, I understand most people vote for the nominee but I'm expecting some write ins.

2019-03-12 23:12:55 UTC

Don't understand why there's so many Dems running,

2019-03-12 23:34:23 UTC

You could say the same about Repubs in 2016

2019-03-12 23:34:27 UTC

But look where that got us

2019-03-12 23:44:52 UTC

Nobody stood out there though

2019-03-12 23:45:03 UTC

And there was one lady Carly Fiorina

2019-03-12 23:45:19 UTC

Now we have several women and several high status men

2019-03-12 23:45:28 UTC

Plus Howard Schultz running would probably help

2019-03-12 23:46:35 UTC

Schultz would severiously dent the political landscape

2019-03-12 23:47:41 UTC

Do you think it would help GOP win or DEM?

2019-03-12 23:51:27 UTC

It would definitely hurt the Dems but there’s a chance that if Trump makes a fool of himself that he could snag moderate Repubs too

2019-03-12 23:51:42 UTC

The only problem is that everybody hates him 😂

2019-03-13 00:57:57 UTC

Remember that time Congress had a televized lottery for the Vietnam draft?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555192794033946625/kvimw0bcvo611.png

2019-03-13 01:02:45 UTC

The US had a ~13% casualty rate.

2019-03-13 01:03:24 UTC

Let's have a televized lottery for every Congressman's name. 11 names drawn to die, 60 to be wounded

2019-03-13 01:36:50 UTC

How about no

2019-03-13 01:39:08 UTC

y not

2019-03-13 01:47:34 UTC

Congresspeople aren’t the cause of the problem, it’s the system and the people the system represents

2019-03-13 01:47:51 UTC

(actually, some of it is the congresspeople)

2019-03-13 02:00:02 UTC

Why not set an example?

2019-03-13 02:00:10 UTC

Actions have consequences.

2019-03-13 02:44:13 UTC

I personally believe congressional salaries should be lowered

2019-03-13 02:44:27 UTC

170k base? endorsements? donations? books? it's too much

2019-03-13 02:44:49 UTC

not to mention benefits and the fact that their staff are paid separately from their salary

2019-03-13 02:48:02 UTC

^

2019-03-13 03:52:10 UTC

Maybe, yeah, plus the whole election process takes an insane amount of time and money which makes them inefficient

2019-03-13 05:08:47 UTC

Why not just abolish congress?

2019-03-13 05:19:07 UTC

^

2019-03-13 05:19:12 UTC

full autocrat

2019-03-13 06:20:55 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555274074725810186/3rdchessgoy.jpg

2019-03-13 06:22:31 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555274474728194048/407b6388326f78ecaa4e16c7487e5fd1da7a14a78eaea7034ddb1d6de5d864cb.jpg

2019-03-13 07:46:14 UTC

@wahx mobility is irrelevant

2019-03-13 07:46:25 UTC

There’s many other factors that determine this it’s not worth looking at

2019-03-13 07:46:30 UTC

Such as intervention, mentality

2019-03-13 07:48:47 UTC

In the us case I would say mentality and social factors

2019-03-13 10:13:24 UTC

how is it calculated

2019-03-13 10:13:58 UTC

wjat does it mean

2019-03-13 10:14:32 UTC

intergeneration earnings are very elastic = bad ?

2019-03-13 10:17:33 UTC

In a society with equal opportunity, a father's income would have no relation to that of his son (a correlation of 0). On the other hand, a country where jobs and income transition from one generation to the next would have a correlation of 1.

2019-03-13 10:18:02 UTC

i think if it was 0 it would be bad, but if it's 1.0 it's also bad

2019-03-13 10:18:15 UTC

probably being somewhere in the middle is good

2019-03-13 10:42:33 UTC

you want to some degree have the success of the father to influence greater opportunities for the son, say, but you also want to give opportunities to other people

2019-03-13 10:42:49 UTC

there's a balance between these two imo

2019-03-13 10:57:09 UTC

at 0.0, intergenerational family business would cease to exist, and death/estate tax would be 100%, that is socialism

2019-03-13 10:57:30 UTC

1.0 is obviously bad as well

2019-03-13 12:36:57 UTC

I mean moving up classes here is irrelevant to the American dream

2019-03-13 12:37:11 UTC

If almost every class can afford the dream

2019-03-13 12:37:19 UTC

Then no point moving up

2019-03-13 12:37:40 UTC

But what’s killed the American dream is socialism, the intervention by the state into the economy

2019-03-13 12:38:01 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555368971725963284/image0.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555368971725963285/image1.jpg

2019-03-13 12:43:00 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555370225491509259/image0.png

2019-03-13 12:43:08 UTC

The 2nd chart is economic freedom

2019-03-13 16:06:36 UTC

?

2019-03-13 16:14:24 UTC

Check above

2019-03-13 16:14:31 UTC

The charts

2019-03-13 19:01:09 UTC

lmao

2019-03-13 19:36:16 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555474230498689024/bq-5c870bdbb1a90.jpeg

2019-03-13 19:36:24 UTC

YANGGANG

2019-03-13 20:53:22 UTC

Lol

2019-03-13 20:54:15 UTC

On r/feminism

2019-03-13 20:54:25 UTC

They talked about how feminism needs socialism.

2019-03-13 22:12:08 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555513453041811557/map-2016-campaign-events-v1-2016-11-7.png

2019-03-13 22:12:22 UTC

Is this Trump?

2019-03-13 22:12:28 UTC

It's both

2019-03-13 22:12:50 UTC

well it's missing the data for maryland because I physically saw trump here

2019-03-13 22:12:52 UTC

do 90% of drugs come in through ports of entry

2019-03-13 22:13:08 UTC
2019-03-13 22:13:28 UTC

i remember when this line as repeated by NPR over and over

2019-03-13 22:13:36 UTC

Anyone want to give me an election night example and I'll do a 270 map

2019-03-13 22:13:41 UTC

What day was it?

2019-03-13 22:14:06 UTC

sep 12 2016

2019-03-13 22:14:10 UTC

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2019-03-13 22:14:17 UTC

so a few months out from the election

2019-03-13 22:14:38 UTC

Trump was in North Carolina that day

2019-03-13 22:14:44 UTC

Apparently

2019-03-13 22:14:52 UTC

well the story was published on the 12th

2019-03-13 22:14:53 UTC

I'm pretty sure he does 3 rallies a day back then

2019-03-13 22:14:59 UTC

could've been published the day before or that too^

2019-03-13 22:15:32 UTC

@hcaez give me an election night example, Trump vs.

2019-03-13 22:15:47 UTC

i was watching a video from lets talk elections recently

2019-03-13 22:15:59 UTC

Let me guess Trump vs someone

2019-03-13 22:16:05 UTC

Electoral result 260-278

2019-03-13 22:16:10 UTC

yeah lol

2019-03-13 22:16:17 UTC

Shall I do Bernie vs Trump?

2019-03-13 22:16:27 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555514540670976015/unknown.png

2019-03-13 22:16:44 UTC

I can't find Maryland on here

2019-03-13 22:17:32 UTC

Trump did hold a rally in Maryland, but that was for the Republican nomination, not the actual election

2019-03-13 22:18:23 UTC

right but when he visited on the 12th, that was after the primaries

2019-03-13 22:18:41 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555515104939212810/unknown.png

2019-03-13 22:18:50 UTC

But it says he wasn't there on the 12th

2019-03-13 22:18:58 UTC

How do you feel about that electoral map?

2019-03-13 22:19:17 UTC

well do you think that newspaper is lying then lol

2019-03-13 22:19:19 UTC

Seems likely

2019-03-13 22:19:21 UTC

the left leaning paper

2019-03-13 22:19:31 UTC

I got it from a wikipedia article

2019-03-13 22:19:36 UTC

Not a newspaper

2019-03-13 22:19:38 UTC

anyone can edit wikipedia

2019-03-13 22:19:57 UTC

True, but I don't see any signs of him being in Maryland on that day

2019-03-13 22:20:00 UTC

Can you send a link?

2019-03-13 22:20:09 UTC

Anon can you give me an election night scenario

2019-03-13 22:20:20 UTC

Ok

2019-03-13 22:20:37 UTC

Beto vs Trump

2019-03-13 22:20:44 UTC

Nice

2019-03-13 22:21:18 UTC

By the way, on the Trump vs Bernie map, I think Maine will go blue

2019-03-13 22:21:40 UTC

Mostly

2019-03-13 22:23:23 UTC

States that might go red in 2020 are Minnesota, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, New Hampshire

2019-03-13 22:23:42 UTC

I see Colorado and Virginia as smaller chances

2019-03-13 22:23:52 UTC

But Minnesota, Nevada and New Hampshire have the highest chances

2019-03-13 22:24:30 UTC

New Hampshire does

2019-03-13 22:24:41 UTC

Idk about Minnesota and Nevada

2019-03-13 22:24:43 UTC

Trump lost Minnesota in a very small margin

2019-03-13 22:24:49 UTC

And Nevada

2019-03-13 22:24:54 UTC

Yes, but they are normally blue

2019-03-13 22:25:17 UTC

Checkmate liberal

2019-03-13 22:25:34 UTC

Trump broke a large part of the Blue Wall in 2016

2019-03-13 22:25:38 UTC

I'm just going to do them red or blue, no leaning, likely stuff

2019-03-13 22:25:43 UTC

Ok

2019-03-13 22:26:09 UTC

I don't think Trump will break a part of the Blue Wall again

2019-03-13 22:26:12 UTC

Delaware actually favoured Trump quite well recently

2019-03-13 22:26:15 UTC

Think it was only -3

2019-03-13 22:26:24 UTC

Oh

2019-03-13 22:26:30 UTC

Strange

2019-03-13 22:27:17 UTC

270towin still says they are solid blue

2019-03-13 22:27:53 UTC

It was last updated 5 days ago

2019-03-13 22:28:07 UTC

Must've changed again

2019-03-13 22:28:48 UTC

These are the states I think Trump is going to win in 2020 for sure

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555517648595582976/unknown.png

2019-03-13 22:29:02 UTC

Florida for sure?

2019-03-13 22:29:22 UTC

And this for Dems

2019-03-13 22:29:23 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555517793886535692/unknown.png

2019-03-13 22:29:50 UTC

Florida is 50-50

2019-03-13 22:29:54 UTC

Always

2019-03-13 22:30:17 UTC

I think he's going to take that again

2019-03-13 22:30:45 UTC

I think the next election will be massively influenced by the next recession

2019-03-13 22:30:57 UTC

Because if that happens, what is Trump going to brag about?

2019-03-13 22:31:01 UTC

If a recession happens before 2020

2019-03-13 22:31:06 UTC

Trump 100% loss

2019-03-13 22:31:10 UTC

Yep

2019-03-13 22:31:16 UTC

I'll do Trump vs Beto BUT

2019-03-13 22:31:18 UTC

The latest jobs report was pretty bad

2019-03-13 22:31:21 UTC

A recession has happened

2019-03-13 22:31:24 UTC

So it's a what if scenario

2019-03-13 22:31:30 UTC

Ok

2019-03-13 22:34:33 UTC

This would be worst case

2019-03-13 22:34:35 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418667927169138688/555519106061959199/unknown.png

2019-03-13 22:34:56 UTC

O'Rourke being in Texas and a recession would make him win slightly

2019-03-13 22:35:00 UTC

That will happen if the recession is horrible

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