Looks good so far! By the way, if you do it as a word doc it might be easier and I can copy it directly across to the site, preserving all hyperlinks. Up to you if you want to.

Btw, I have been thinking about this idea Feminists have that men dont get scared out at night. Anyone want to try andnmake a list of similar misconceptions about men?

Men don't get sexist remarks made towards them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/a1apxa/after_a_lifetime_of_involvement_in_male_dominated/?utm_source=reddit-android

I saw this story and I was like wow. You've managed to be in an manly environment and not feel demeaned until NOW?

I regularly have stupid things said to me in my sport or listen to the women at work say sexist bullshit

Ditto when I was at uni.

There was this one awful sow I could write a whole article about. :P

Bearing in mind that all the people at my work are above me bar one guy who started Monday

Guys being raped by women is an obvious one.

Yep, that's a big one.

@Men Are Human Actually, I did end up finding something useful in the Norway Study

"Overall, conditional on the high-stakes central exit exams, boys outperform girls on the low-stakes national one-day tests. Thus, the hypothesis that girls perform relatively worse when stakes are high is not supported." -- This is relevant to some of the studies (like the Israel and France studies) that have different tests they use for the anonymized and non-anonymized grading

Oh, for those who don't have the link: http://folk.ntnu.no/torbergf/Articles/Gender%20and%20achievement.pdf

You are really putting a lot of thought into this and I really appreciate it @asparkofpyrokravte

New Article: https://menarehuman.com/sexism-vs-boys-part-1/

Oh yeah, I saw a couple of those reddit posts

That really is rather worriying

..

Urk. that telegraph article is basically just a teaser for this: http://www.menandboyscoalition.org.uk/conference/

but I can't find any information on what Cook says in the conference

sigh

..

Alright, so I've got more or less all the material I want for the education article

However, it is in need of being made somewhat more coherent, with a clear beginning and a clear goal. Mostly I've just written so as to cover the major points of boys' education issues as they relate to the school system, the things the school system has done about those issues, and a bit about the opposition to those issues and how those issues should be approached. When I put it like that it sounds cohesive

But it isn't yet

Draft 1

Hey, it worked

So that's relatively just plain-text-with-links

And you don't need to look at that one, I'll try to get some stuff done in the next couple days to make it more directed, but this way you (as in, anyone on discord) can see what is going on with it and comment if you like

Probably the biggest error in argument (as opposed to in form) in the document right now is where I get around to talking about US govermental education policy (pre-university policy) which I don't have a good understanding of at all.

Maybe there's someone here on the discord from the US you can ask? I think Jango is from the states. Alternatively, I'm sure posting a Reddit topic requesting some insight would get some replies

I only really skimmed it, I'm 4 drinks in and will probably have a better look in the morning (didn't look at any of the links, lol), but I do get it, also I think I may have been missing a page at the front or did you just not really write an introduction? I can defiantly understand though, in highschool I was in the lowest English class and I was the only girl that was there, and I have a learning disability which made school horrible, teachers just cannot expect every student to be able to retain blocks of information on a board, my ADHD gave me trouble with english and my boyfriend who is Autistic had a similar problem with Math, he got really fucked by it too because people always assume that Autism means you are really good with math and science where he just isn't, he likes writing and he has lost jobs over people not being able to take him seriously, it makes me so angry.

Would you like to write about him, or get him to tell us about it?

I'm in a very similar situation, except for the dating you part. ;)

He likes to keep himself clear for the most part from the MRA stuff, he used to be a major male feminist actually, I let him know the shit I get up to but I let him keep to himself if he doesn’t want to get involved, I think that is fair.

That's alright. Would you be interested in telling it instead, or keeping it private?

I think it would go very well in part 2 of the school stories article

Na, I don’t think he would be comfortable with it, he is still quite defensive about feminists and a little conscious of MRAs, probably the closest we get to fights is usually over feminist things, I like to think he is much more centred since being with me and I guess being together stops us from both getting echo chambered, I do know that sex trafficking is a bit of a problem in the Netherlands that effects a lot more women and he was friends with a girl who was effected by it, so I don’t try to change him, just correct his facts if he tries to spew something like rape culture or wage gap at me, lol

He is a really nice person though, he cares a lot more about others then himself and that scares me because he has that personality type where people immediately try to take advantage of him, when we first starting to get together properly I had to explain to him that he had in fact been sexually assaulted which he didn’t believe because it was a women who did it to him.

Okay. I understand. I do tend to think that whenever we are told that women are the primary target of something it does end up being 50/50 in almost every circumstance, however.

I had a look into it, I can’t remember the exact numbers but it was like somewhere a little over 10% (think it might have been 14% from memory but I am probably wrong) boys, and it is mostly effecting middle eastern women who are trafficked through the Netherlands (because they don’t enforce sex trafficking laws too well) and then out to the rest of Europe, and even though the way they market it is “save the girls” the goal is “stop the sex trafficking” so I don’t have an issue with that at all.

But he also knows that if he so much mentions wage gaps or women in education or rape myths I will go into fight mode. xD

We are a strange couple but thankfully something is working because it has been almost 6 years now xD

@Abbysol haha, nope, my introduction was basically just the first sentence, as my conclusion is basically just the last sentence of the second-to-last paragraph. I wrote this almost top to bottom and posted it as soon as I got something workable together. To be honest, I'm not yet sure what a softer introduction should be, partially because I'm not sure how...(didactic?) I want to be. I'm not sure if I ended up writing more of a beginners guide sort of thing or more of a topics in boys education sort of thing. What it is *not* is "why boys lag behind in education" because we don't really know the answer to that question and that is quite possibly more related to fatherlessness, boys being harder hit by not having a decent home environment, and that kind of thing. Rather it lends itself more to answering the question "Do school systems face challenges in dealing with boys? If so, what?" I guess. That wasn't really by intent, honestly.

Actually, it better answers the question "What challenges do boys face dealing with schools?".

I think that will probably end up being the approach I need to revise the article around. Then my plan is to add some questions to the beginning of the first paragraph as InsaneCatarpilla mentioned around that theme (probably changing or removing the first sentence) and call that an introduction. Or is there a better way to tie these ideas together in a neat bundle?

I think asking what are the challenges boys face is a better angle to look at it from, because being able to identify the problems will inherently lead into find solutions, I’m not a good writer so I can’t help much, but it was just a thing I noticed, just a short little primer at the start I think would help it flow a little better and help it to feel like a more natural read. 😃

For a while now, we have known that our boys have been struggling in education. Also, for a while now we have focused on improving our girls' performance in schools, and have been remarkably successful. Our attention now needs to be on preventing our boys' worsening ability to do well in school, but how do we achieve this? First, we must evaluate the reasons why our boys are not performing to the same standard...

Perhaps something like that.

@asparkofpyrokravte

I just want to say something.

I was reading articles on the website and I felt the urge to share them, but I'm scared that it will ruin my career.

Even finishing my studies would be hell on earth, because all the professors are feminists and left wing liberals

So I have to self-sensor.

Hold on dude, things are surely changing.

@Thijs Peters#9845 Thank you for saying that, but please don't ruin your career! There are ways around it though. You could say something like "I was shocked by this, what do other people think?" And then maybe avoid replying to anyone?

@Men Are Human we need to create a canned replies datbase

Compile the best arguments to create easy replies to the most frequently asked questions.

I think personalised replies are much more persuasive than someone spewed of a bot

I mean comped citations stats and sources

*compend

Let's say someone asks

Feminism is for men too.. Tell me reasons otherwise.

Men are horribly privileged, tell me areas where they aren't.

Women were oppressed throughout history and men are their oppressors

Do you know many feminists who honestly look for answers? To them, they are rhetoricals, and they wouldn't ask them

Still, even if they did... I think its better coming from you

Surely you have a better way of explaining things than a robot?

We need to be ready when they encounter such questions elsewhere on reddit or the wider internet.

Yes, ready through our own thoughts and opinions. Not through a standardisation

So that it needs minimal time and editing

I'm talking about quick replies to quick questions

But it will always need editing, one reply isn't gonna change peoples
' minds

The most mundane

What if I make a compilation of all places men are disadvantaged

There is such thing as a quick reply, but most of the time there's more influence in actually doing so yourself

Do you wanna persuede people or fob them off?

It takes fucking lot of effort

Ask yourself that question

Yes it does

Is it worth it?

No

The mrm had already answered the same questions a million times on the sub

Are we talking to the same people here? Trust me, ill ban anyone I see as a feminist troll, you have my promise on that.

What are you seeing here?

Nothing as of yet. Care to share with me an alternate view?

The quick takedown of feminist rhetoric will help us a lot especially on non feminist and mrm normal subs.

I'm willing to host such a list on the site

There are a lot of them in the wild and gullible people are eating it

Takedown/=/ban... I'd rather disprove it first

Which I will do :3

Mate, we dint make the general policy on the MR subreddit.

Goodmod does that

We are responsible only for this chat

@Men Are Human I think it would be better to create a new single purpose domain for it.

Like www.whyibecameanmra.com something like that.

I'm personally hesitant to endorse further breakdown of our userbase

Let's not run before we can walk.

>Let's not run before we walk.

Your reasons for why are we not ready.

The MRM is ready. This place is not. We are 'right' as it were. But it's not the right time.

I'm not talking about the group