Oh no, it isn't

I don't think anyone is saying it is

I object to the name women's suffrage. The women who campaigned to get the vote were terrorists

And they never should have been given it for free, whereas men had to agree to fight and die for it

they didnt just shame men into the draft, they lobbied for war

https://www.opendemocracy.net/5050/nicoletta-f-gullace/white-feather-girls-womens-militarism-in-uk

@InsaneCaterpilla I think you're mixing up suffrages and suffragettes

Orly?

Suffragettes were the pipe bombers though

Tbf, there was heavy opposition to the rights of women from the upper classes, I can sort of sympathise with these clearly very brave women who where living in the most powerful country in the planet yet couldn’t even decide who they wanted to govern their country, with no option left they had to turn to terrorism. Although I believe violnece isn’t the answer to all problems but in this case it was the only to get their voices heard

Violence*

The men only just got the vote by fighting and dying. No sympathy.

Something we are still expected to do today

Yes, but the men who fought and died where from the lower classes

It’s the upper classes

That was the issue

But women had no mediam in which to fight for there rights apart from out right sympathy

Not sympathy

I mean terrorism

Is it fair that only the people who owned land and such could vote? No. Is it fair women got the vote for some campaigning, and men are obligated to be drafted in wartime even today to earn that right? No, there's not an official law of it in the UK, but you know it would soon be the case in the event of a serious threat to the country, and in other countries its simply stated.

That's still not fair either

I get what your saying

But the attitude of the time was that women should not fight and die in the trenches

Getting mow down in their millions

But, they had to prove their worth

And while I realise that what these women did was terrible but they felt they had no where else to turn

'The attitude of the time' doesn't provide an excuse. Such a reason can be used to say slavery was fine and dandy back in the day

Which was why it was difficult to challenge

Which makes their situation even more dire

So making their options less viable

Same with suffrage

But that just my opinion

This persists even today and you go on about how it used to be fine, why are you making excuses for something you know is unfair? Simply make it fair today. I don't care what the reasons were, it wasn't fair then and it isn't fair now, and I'm not going to pretend that it makes what happened back then more ok that they had excuses for doing certain things

I'm tired anyway.. probably not bringing my point across as eloquently as I could

If ya wanna reply I'll have a see tomorrow mate, Nn all

Nm dude

I’m not saying what they did was justified

I’m just saying they felt they had no other option

And yes it persists today

But

It’s a great story

@Fred-104 If I remember, The Suffragettes were actually holding back women's right to vote - since whenever the vote came up as an idea, it was now framed in terms of giving in to terrorists. Basically

The suffragists are the real campaigners. They were the legitimate people asking for the change.

They managed to win public sympathy, to a degree. But to frame it in terms of rights is to look at it through the suffragette lense. The public had no right to vote, so they didn't see it as being about equality until it was framed that way.

thats kinda of what im saying, the way the acted about the whole issue was terrible, even detrimental to there efforts, but it was born out of desperation

and yes ik at this point even some men couldnt vote ik

I'm not sure it was desperation so much as hunger for power. They didn't care about common women and they used income tax laws to have their husbands imprisoned.

It's hard to tell now, what with all the changes the Feminists made to history

I think a good parallel is to look at modern feminism actually, a lot of the activists are middle upper class and a lot of the stuff they fight for are things that don’t really effect women on the lower ends of society, all that shut about more women in CEO positions and stem and the hundreds of silly little “protections” they want in place, the people who mostly demand these things are in a place of privilege however cannot see themselves that way and it leaves the average women behind since their noses are so turned up that they cannot see the people below them, and then they wonder why the average women is turning away from feminism in larger numbers, it’s because they have real world shit to worry about and cannot afford to get involved in such a self indulgent movement

I just started watching the documentary American Circumcision... I'm slowly realizing that I'm was mutilated and I'm never going to feel fully what I should when I touch myself because of what my parents chose

Feelsbadman

And this only happens to boys! Girls in the west don't have to have to deal with these feelings of not being whole down their because they were born perfect and don't need to be mutilated for some reason

@Bobby_Hill You're right there. Ever seen The Red Pill movie? That was enough circumcision video for me, and I mean permanently.

Hm

Hmmm?

Ooooh. Anyone seen this: "Netflix blurred out the circumcision and graphic pictures in 'American circumcision' wtf?" - https://redd.it/a6x668 "Then whats the point? Shouldnt parents be able to watch if they are willing to do it to their own child?"

One of the best comments: "The fact they have censored it, is an admission that the practice is too awful to be seen. Definitely too horrible to be legal, I'd say.

Shouldn't parents be able to watch if they are willing to do it to their own child?

They should damn well have to."

Like i know there is 'foreskin restoration' stuff but that does not bring back the thousands of nerve endings. It's like I'm going through life playing a game with missing DLC that is impossible to get.

Is it wrong that I resent the fact that women have the ability to feel greater sexual pleasure than me because they aren't circumcised?

I can't even say anything to anyone about this irl without being told I'm stupid.

@Bobby_Hill It's not stupid. I think that feeling jealous is natural as this was taken away from you without consent.

I don't think you should actively resent them - or uncut men - though. If anyone, maybe resent the people who object to our campaign to make this illegal.

And the cutters, as well.

Thanks for the kind words. @Men Are Human

Its nice to know someone actually cares

Also I don't resent uncut men. If anything I envy them and the fact they are what I will never be.

No worries, it's alright. I'm hoping that one day this will be seen as barbaric and no more boys ever have it done to them. You are part of that fight, and I think you should be proud of that.

Just having American Circumcision on the USA version of Netflix means we are going to see a dip in the numbers.

And the fact it's censored means that people know this is wrong.

I know that won't fix you, but I hope it will at least it helps

And maybe, one day, they will have a way to fix this.

Is it wrong that I want to give you a hug?

You're a good friend and a great Mod

Aww, thanks lol

Can i claim my kids for taxes if im paying child support

I have joint custody

Having a channel called "serious" seems really weird for a generally otherwise-serious discord

are any of the channels other than lounge and memes nonserious?

Chat can be for less serious things

@Night Terror that might be more <#520987662572584961> related, fyi. Doesn't bother me that it's here, so just saying.

ok i will move it

In GA (which should help you, too) Alimony is tax deductble, but child support is not, which is why you see amicalbe divorced settled by the parties to "favor" alimony

no alimony when she cheated

Chat is meant for less serious stuff. You can talk about games in there

Okay dokey

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/a7dqhb/do_you_live_in_the_east_midlands_and_would_be/

"Do you live in the East Midlands, and would be willing to take part in a TV documentary about MGM?"

i think we're still figuring out how the channels will be, right now we're just in the early stages

things will evolve, as they do

Has anyone seen the Voyager episode 'Retrospect'

On rewatching it I think it gives a good example of how people go against people who are falsely accused

It’s definitely changing now, all of these stories will be harder and harder to deny. It’s clearly not so@etching we’re trying to “make up.” Everytime someone is falsely accused they and their family/friends learn the hard way how it is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrospect_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)

Haven’t seen voyager

There is something I’ve thought about, to help the MRM grow, something like social media. Think like a Facebook or app for the MRM

maybe an app with a “fact of the day” or something

@InsaneCaterpilla thats a weird coincedence- i watched that one again a few days ago

Really obvious they are making parallels with sexual abuse in the show

Well it is star trek, I guess it's popular ^^ idk how many times I've rewatched these.

I've never talked about that particular episode being about that with anyone before that I can think of though

In the wiki it says it removed more sexual aspects to avoid angering people... I guess it's 'not ok' to portray an actual parallel