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They know they're losing the battle.
They were always losing
Only those who believe, know this
This is them flailing.
The rest follow the media, which is owned by the evil of the world
True
**James 4:4**
```You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.```
Does anyone agree that the "one who restrains the man of sin" has already been taken out of the way?
If this is the case, the antichrist makes an appearance soon enough
Copied from the other channel:
@*ChAmeleon Lizard*
**2 Thessalonians 2**
``` Our Lord Jesus Christ is coming again. We will be gathered together to meet Him. But we ask you, Christian brothers,
2 do not be troubled in mind or worried by the talk you hear. Some say that the Lord has already come. People may say that I wrote this in a letter or that a spirit told them.
3 Do not let anyone fool you. For the Lord will not come again until many people turn away from God. Then the leader of those who break the law will come. He is the man of sin.
4 He works against and puts himself above every kind of god that is worshiped. He will take his seat in the house of God and say that he himself is God.
5 Do you not remember that while I was with you, I told you this?
6 You know the power that is keeping the man of sin back now. The man of sin will come only when his time is ready.
7 For the secret power of breaking the law is already at work in the world. But that secret power can only do so much until the One Who keeps back the man of sin is taken out of the way.
8 Then this man of sin will come. The Lord Jesus will kill him with the breath of His mouth. The coming of Christ will put an end to him.
9 Satan will use this man of sin. He will have Satan’s power. He will do strange things and many powerful works that will be false.
10 Those who are lost in sin will be fooled by the things he can do. They are lost in sin because they did not love the truth that would save them.
11 For this reason, God will allow them to follow false teaching so they will believe a lie.
12 They will all be guilty as they stand before God because they wanted to do what was wrong.```
@MaxIgnoramus I agree with your thought on this. The way the world is right now, and everything that is happening, it seems like a def possibility.
hey hey hey
Just to clarify something on that meme
The 7th day in Jewish week is Saturday
Sunday means 'day of sun' but this is not the day of rest in Jewish calendar, its actually the first
So the Hebrew worship is not equivalent to mithra
The pagans are sun worshippers
But the Jews did never worship the sun
This Mithra is a roman reinvention of Nimrod
And the reinvention itself came from phyriggian Greek worship of pagan myth
The concept of Liberty is associated with all messiah
But only Jesus represents the true freedom, the pagan worship by contrast with its affinity for Goddess (Earthly) worship is a contract with sin.
Jesus will soon be reinstated but he will have been transformed into Lucifer
I advise you to learn the gospel truly, and not rely on these cue cards, as you will be made to believe in the man of sin who is to come
If you do not truly know the father through the son, then you will be unable to discern the truth from a lie
"...do it... do it and I'll spank you"
Do not be fooled into making equivocations between calendars
* mocks ancient parent figure wavying their finger *
I have nothing against you, though you have something against me
like I've typed to you before Max...I love you but we can disagree with our understandings
Your love is misplaced
And I don't believe it
Nor want it
we both understand eachother as misguided Max...
I realized the crutch of worship...if I create an entity of worship I lose my immortality...no not my mortal body or form...but my essence...as I am part of Thee Eternal Once
Do not comment to me about this again
I am not interested
You will accept my authority on this
I accept that you have the free-will to ignore me
why do you think the rare times I ask for things I get it....'cause I don't play "the boy who cried wolf" with demands and praises constantly...how'd that make you feel if you was constantly called upon for everything?
oh and for the record...TWICE....twice I've asked for assistance
in 31 years
bye Max * waves *
Can we aknowlade sweeden as hell ?
Why condem a hole nation as Sweden. They are all kind loving people. Been there many times. Is the US hell as well.? Wtf
Lol
only Patriots
Question : Will we be condemned for following the order of an authority, even knowing the order is of a sinful nature? Or is it better to rebel against the authority?
That's not a test by the way I am curious to see what people think
I say no but I was just shamed out of a Christian server for suggesting it
@MaxIgnoramus So much for discourse, hey?
I can link you something interesting...
It might give you some insight into your question...
@MaxIgnoramus The humans natural tendancies towards authority...
@MaxIgnoramus And something where Lenin considered mind control ...
https://www.conservapedia.com/Ivan_Pavlov
@Dagbreker ah thanks
One of the best rebukes of gnosticism ive seen
@MaxIgnoramus good morning Max
How funny that the Zohar disagrees with Moses
So be it.
You have your reward
My short reply to being referred to as the “enemy” is to try to lighten the mood with a few memes.
A man does not educate his enemies unless he means to trick them
So are you making clear that you are attempting to trick me, or that I, as a Catholic, am your enemy? Perhaps both?
I will watch the video when I am able, and then I will give some feedback. That more than likely won’t happen for some hours, as I’m tied up with other things.
Lol the toilet epiphany
on the way...
So, I've skimmed the first half of this video while sitting on the toilet. As luck would have it, that it was the proper place to do so.
The first half of the video is nothing more than garbage pulled out of his own backside by Alexander Hislop. Isn't it amazing that those who seek with such fervent bias do indeed seem so quickly to fall upon such so-called evidence? When Hislop ran into facts that did not fit into his narrative, he simply tossed them out. Hislop made so many completely false assertions that I feel embarrassed for him. He wrote them into several books, too. His major logical fallacy was post hoc ergo propter hoc. He made false connections to things that didn't exist. I believe that Jack Chick incorporated many of these Hislop fallacies into his garbage literature.
The obelisk in St. Peter's Square is a remembrance for the martyrdom of many saints, in particular, the martyrdom of Saint Peter. It also acts as a sundial and calendar. Quoting Pope Benedict XVI: "The great obelisk casts its shadow in a line that runs along the paving stones toward the fountain beneath this window and in these days, the shadow is at its longest of the year."
See how that works?
St. Peter's Square is not intended to be a penis in the middle of a vagina, nor a symbol to worship the Egyptian sun god. This is nothing more than post hoc fallacy. The Vatican also has an observatory. If Hislop were alive today, then he would undoubtedly write in a new book that this means Rome has contact with aliens.
I'll have to listen to the second half of that video later. I have to get dinner going right now.
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The second half of that video is complete and utter trash, lies, and deceit.
I best circle back to the obelisk in St. Peter's Square discussion for a minute, as some new thoughts came to me over dinner.
I wanted to know about the inscriptions at the base of the obelisk and what they meant.
And I also wanted to look up the history of the obelisk and see why it was chosen.
So, here we go:
> I'll just tell you about the obelisk at St. Peter's. It was originally erected in Heliopolis by an unknown pharaoh of the Fifth dynasty of Egypt. The Emperor Augustus had it moved to the Julian Forum of Alexandria, where it stood until A.D. 37, when Caligula ordered the forum demolished and the obelisk transferred to Rome. He placed it in the center of the Circus, where it would preside over Nero's countless brutal games and Christian executions. This obelisk is thus one silent witness to all those countless Christian martyrs who shed their blood for the faith within the Circus - which is why it was considered to be rather special.
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> BTW, the obelisk now has these inscriptions. Here are three out of four:
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> Christus Vincit,
> Christus Regnat,
> Christus Imperat.
> Christus ab omni malo
> Plebem suam
> Defendat.
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> Ecce Crux Domini,
> Fugite
> Partes adversae.
> Vicit Leo de Tribu Juda.
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> Sixtus V Pont[ifex] Max[imus]
> Obeliscum Vaticanum
> Di`s gentium
> Impio cultu dicatum
> Ad Apostolorum limina
> Operoso labore transtulit
> Anno M.D.LXXXVI. Pont II.
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> ***"Christ conquers, Christ reigns, Christ commands. Christ defends His people from all evil." "Behold the Cross of the Lord; flee you adversaries. The Lion of Judah has conquered."***
> Can't get more Christian than that. ;)
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> ***"Sixtus V, Supreme Pontiff, with great effort moved the Vatican obelisk, once dedicated to the impious cult of the people of Dis (another name for the Roman god Pluto, later also applied to Satan; i.e. pagan gods), to the threshold of the Apostles in the second year of his pontificate, year 1586."***
> On the top of this obelisk in St. Peter's Square is a cross. Inside this cross is a relic of the True Cross. Here we have a stone monument that stood in the presence of thousands of the earliest Christian martyrs, now containing a relic of the True Cross. To accuse Catholics of paganism is an insult to the deaths of the martyrs who refused to pay homage to Roman gods.
Quite a few theories bounce around about how these things "prove" the pagan roots of the Catholic Church. If you visit the St. Peter's website, you can read the story from the Catholic point of view, that the obelisk was a "silent witness to the martyrdom of St. Peter and many other Christians." This symbol of paganism (the obelisk) now serves as a witness to the power of Christ. As stated above, on top of it is not only a cross, but a piece of the True Cross.
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Another interesting fact is of Pope Sixtus V and his decision to move all obelisks found in Rome, rebuild them if necessary, and use them as focal points for new streets that he opened. This was his plan of urban development, if you will. It is very interesting to me that not only did he place crosses on top of every one of them, but he also had them exorcised, including the obelisk in St. Peter's Square.
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*(the text spacing in discord really sucks....hence why I must insert rows with a single period)*
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At what point do you say that it is completely nonsensical to claim that anything pagan is evil, and anyone using it must be themselves evil?
I guarantee that some of your ancestors were pagan. Does that make you evil? Should you now have to disavow your ancestors?
Was the wheel not invented by a pagan? Should you not now remove all wheels from your car?
What about the days of the week?
The months in the calendar?
The alphabet?
Numerals?
Perhaps since pagans first said the earth was round, we should both now become Flat Earthers.
Where is it that we draw the line on this never-ending ***hidden-in-plain-sight pagan symbology == secret evil agenda***?
I would say that the devil himself drives most, if not all, of this nonsense.
The devil has certainly captured the minds all of the self-righteous know-it-alls who post outrageous, unfounded anti-Catholic drivel within the comments section of completely trash YouTube videos like that one you posted the link to.
The Catholic Church has certainly weathered 2,000 years of far worse attacks than comments sections of YouTube videos could ever produce.
I guess I need to stay on topic.
The second half of that video...wow. It is pure garbage. (not that the first half was any better)
The symbol of Baal on the Papal stole? Are you kidding me? Just for grins, I did a google image search for the *symbol of baal*, and I found nothing that looked even the slightest bit like that picture of the Papal stole. **IT'S A CROSS!** Did this guy forget that crosses are used all throughout Catholicism? 🤦♂️
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The famous statue of St. Peter in the Basilica is not Jupiter, nor was it removed from the Pantheon, nor was the statue ever a re-named idol. This is an outright lie, with absolutely not a shred of proof whatsoever to the contrary.
(Originally Published 1907)
> We see a noble figure in dark bronze seated on a chair and pedestal of colored marbles. A halo rests upon the head, the hair and beard are thick and curling, the right hand is raised in blessing, the left holds the keys of earthly and heavenly power, according to the utterance of Christ. Behind the statue we see part of a mosaic portrait of Pius IX, presented on the occasion of his silver jubilee as Pope in the year 1871, and appropriately placed near the statue of his predecessor. In the soft light of the basilica the figure of St. Peter has an air of majesty and repose, of celestial dignity, in keeping with his magnificent surroundings ; and you are hardly surprised to see the peasant woman kneeling at its feet in prayer. Such pious visitors kiss with respect and devotion the foot of the great, silent, majestic figure. The toe of the statue has indeed several times been worn off by the kisses of millions of pilgrims, and has had several times to be renewed.
The famous archaeologist and antiquary, Lanciani, of Rome, born in 1845 already settled this long ago, by proving that it was an original work, cast as a portrait of St. Peter.
In the library of the Vatican, there was found an oval medallion of the first century, having engraved on it the profiles of Sts. Peter and Paul. Lanciani proved that the profile of St. Peter on the medallion and that of the statue of St. Peter in the Basilica were nearly identical.
Yes, it is also indeed a halo resting upon St. Peter's head, not the sunwheel of Baal.
Again, it's not the symbol for Baal behind St. Peter. Sometimes wallpaper is just wallpaper, not slam-dunk evidence debunking 2,000 years of Christianity.
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The act of pilgrims kissing the foot of the statue of St. Peter is no indication of anything other than the love that one would wish to convey for St. Peter, and ultimately, love for Jesus Christ. Perhaps these words mean something to you?:
> *"Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church and I will give thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven"*
I have never been to the Basilica to see that statue, but when I do finally go, I will most assuredly also kiss the foot of St. Peter. Will that instantly transform me into a goblin servant of Satan, because some guy in a YouTube video said that it was really a statue of Jupiter?
My apologies, but all this complete gibberish, mumbo-jumbo about super-secret, yet hidden-in-plain-site, pagan codes is really grating on the nerves. I will attempt to keep it factual.
It is mind-bogglingly absurd to then attempt to somehow relate this kissing of the statue of St. Peter in the Basilica to Judas betraying Christ with a kiss in the Garden of Gethsemane, and wind in additional nonsense about Baal once more. Did a mentally handicapped relative of MacGyver write this script? Ugh.
Wow, and I thought this couldn't get any more outlandish...
Now the assertion is made that Revelations Chapter 17 is about the Catholic Church?
What a complete and utterly ridiculous declaration this is.
Bear with me for a minute, because this farcical argument has been around for a long time, and at least **__NINE__** different versions of it have already been debunked.
Also, more reference material:
http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/17
(Hint: footnotes and references at the bottom are your friend)
Purple and scarlet are not *"the official colors of Catholicism"*.
Here are the liturgical colors of vestments worn by Catholic priests:
> __**White**__: Light, innocence, purity, joy, triumph, glory
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> Season of Christmas
> Season of Easter
> Feasts of the Lord, other than of His passion
> Feasts of Mary, the angels, and saints who were not martyrs
> All Saints (1 November)
> Feasts of the Apostles
> Nuptial Masses
> Masses for the dead (Requiem Masses) when the deceased is a baptized child who died before the age of reason
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> Note: White is the color of Popes' non-liturgical dress. White can be replaced by Silver.
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> __**Red**__: The Passion, blood, fire, God's Love, martyrdom
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> Feasts of the Lord's passion, Blood, and Cross
> Feasts of the martyrs
> Palm Sunday
> Pentecost
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> Note: Red is the color of Cardinals' non-liturgical dress
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> __**Green**__: The Holy Ghost, life eternal, hope
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> Time After Epiphany
> Time After Pentecost
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> __**Violet**__: Penance, humility, melancholy
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> Season of Advent
> Season of Septuagesima
> Season of Lent
> Rogation Days
> Ember Days (except for Pentecost Ember Days)
> Vigils except for Ascension and Pentecost
> Good Friday
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> Note: Violet, literally "amaranth red," is the color of Bishops', Archbishops', and Patriarchs' non-liturgical dress
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> __**Black**__: Mourning, sorrow
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> All Souls Day
> Masses for the dead (Requiem Masses), except for baptized children who've died before the age of reason
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> __**Rose**__: Joy
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> Gaudete Sunday (Third Sunday of Advent)
> Laetare Sunday (Fourth Sunday of Lent)
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> __**Gold**__: Joy
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> Gold can replace white, red, or green (but not violet or black)
Next up: The Catholic Church is indeed the bride of Christ.
> __Ephesians 5:23:__ *For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church, he himself the savior of the body.*
> __1 Corinthians 11:3:__ *But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and God the head of Christ.*
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> *[11:3] A husband the head of his wife: the specific problem suggests to Paul the model of the head as a device for clarifying relations within a hierarchical structure. The model is similar to that developed later in greater detail and nuance in Eph 5:21–33. It is a hybrid model, for it grafts onto a strictly theological scale of existence (cf. 1 Cor 3:21–23) the hierarchy of sociosexual relations prevalent in the ancient world: men, dominant, reflect the active function of Christ in relation to his church; women, submissive, reflect the passive role of the church with respect to its savior. This gives us the functional scale: God, Christ, man, woman.*
> __Colossians 1:18:__ *He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he himself might be preeminent.*
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> *[1:18] Church: such a reference seemingly belongs under “redemption” in the following lines, not under the “creation” section of the hymn. Stoic thought sometimes referred to the world as “the body of Zeus.” Pauline usage is to speak of the church as the body of Christ (1 Cor 12:12–27; Rom 12:4–5). Some think that the author of Colossians has inserted the reference to the church here so as to define “head of the body” in Paul’s customary way. See Col 1:24. Preeminent: when Christ was raised by God as firstborn from the dead (cf. Acts 26:23; Rev 1:5), he was placed over the community, the church, that he had brought into being, but he is also indicated as crown of the whole new creation, over all things. His further role is to reconcile all things (Col 1:20) for God or possibly “to himself.”*
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> also see: 1 Cor 11:3; 12:12, 27; 15:20; Eph 1:22–23; Rev 1:5.
Moving on...
...more false assertions about Revelations and thusly falsely linking golden cups to chalices used in Mass.
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On the chalice being gold, see **__3. Sacred Vessels [117.]:__** http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html
> **__3. Sacred Vessels__**
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> [117.] Sacred vessels for containing the Body and Blood of the Lord must be made in strict conformity with the norms of tradition and of the liturgical books.[205]The Bishops’ Conferences have the faculty to decide whether it is appropriate, once their decisions have been given the recognitio by the Apostolic See, for sacred vessels to be made of other solid materials as well. It is strictly required, however, that such materials be truly noble in the common estimation within a given region,[206]so that honour will be given to the Lord by their use, and all risk of diminishing the doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharistic species in the eyes of the faithful will be avoided. Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily. This norm is to be applied even as regards metals and other materials that easily rust or deteriorate.[207]
If you still don't understand why using noble materials for sacred vessels is very, very important, also see:
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/transubstantiation-for-beginners
@Karnivore Do you follow anything of Jonathan Pageau?
Never heard of him.
Hello, by the way.
How are you doing?
I'm dissecting this sick and degenerate YouTube video that Max posted.
I'm good
But I should be sleeping, instead of doing this. LOL
I will rest well afterwards.
I am reading through it... I am also participating in a very religious day today
👍
Day of the Vow
I'm trying to only hit the high points, but there is so much disinformation in that video.
But, what you are pointing out is very interesting
I don't think there is a single statement of truth in the video.
What about Max?
I haven't watched it... But I understand what you are pointing out
It's only worth watching, if you are not open to influence that it could bring.
I am open to ALL influences... hahaha... BUT
big BUT
Videos like that are similar to Ouija boards, in my opinion.
My foundations are in my Christian belief
Videos like what?
Hi, Anabelle. You'd have to scroll way up and see a YouTube video that Max posted.
Apologies... Hallo anabelle
So now the video talks about Mary.
Virgin Mary.
One of my favorite people in all the universe.
She also bears the symbolic meaning of the Vesica Pisces?
Correct/
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The passage through which we receive the birth of light
Not sure where you got that, Dag.
Jesus Fish
I don't know specifically how vesica piscis relates to Mary.
Vesica is latin for bladder.
and piscis, of course, means fish
Ok... well... that's very interesting
I did not know that
Let me try and find something from Jonathan...
He is Catholic
Iconographer
He sculpts these symbols
maybe it's referring to sacred geometry
A sculptor, pretty rare these days.
and one who sculpts Catholic symbols?
even more rare
@Karnivore Have a look at this video
Oh... he's Orthodox
Thanks. It's playing now, but I certainly won't be up for another hour to hear it all.
The cat also just woke up and is trying to sit on my keyboard...LOL
Oh yeah... it's probably late where you are now
0311
O.O
this is pretty much what I'm dealing with now:
(that's not me, nor my cat, but same situation)
lol
So I suppose that I will have to slaughter and dissect the rest of that blasphemous video tomorrow.
Hahaha... we just got two kittens now... actually last night...
I warned the kids... And suddenly one of them jumped onto the budgy cage
Oh no!
oh wait, you said *onto*, not *into*...
budgy is still okay?
Hahaha... the budgie is ok...
Boers religion is strongly routed in Calvinism
Afrikaans religion now has three sister churches... Protestant of course
• Reformed church
lol
I posted that in the memes channel.
I thought it would get a laugh.
Hahahaha
That it does
Do Catholics exist in SA?
I figured that some must have come through from europe.
Yes... My aunt is married to Irish family... My uncle has Knighthood in his church
Wow
yes
My cousin, his son, doesn't participate as I think he says it's too encrouching.. or something...
Anyway, they did get married in the Catholic church... with the white sage smoke and everything... pretty cool
👍
Do you think there's some form of corruption in the global networks and even the Pope is part of it?
I mean, what does Catholicism have to do with Japan?
I do not denounce Catholicism... I keep an eye out for elites
The major mistake that even Catholics make is that just because I disagree with the Pope's opinion on something does not mean I should leave the Catholic Church.
The Pope can and does have his own opinions on all kinds of things that I completely disagree with.
That does not mean that I am a bad Catholic.
Nor does it mean that he's a bad Pope.
There we have it... exactly
I agree
But a Pope riding rooftop in Japan telling them to open their borders for refugees...
that's his opinion
and I disagree with it, in most cases, regarding opening the floodgates for economic refugees
A clear indication of an elite group that is pushing an agenda. I really try and avoid bad media
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