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2018-12-08 19:22:16 UTC

Then again I'd still rather have a corrupt piece of shit than a commie cause better dead than red

2018-12-08 19:23:02 UTC

Hm. I don't like the logic cycle you've just given me.

2018-12-08 20:34:38 UTC

Everyone wants to believe they're in the eschaton but the only thing you're ever gonna get in your lifetime is "the dark night of the soul"

2018-12-08 20:34:54 UTC

Like Reagan said, "Don't Immanentize the Eschaton"

2018-12-08 20:56:11 UTC

Reagan was big gay

2018-12-08 20:58:25 UTC

Neocons a big gay

2018-12-08 21:02:05 UTC

^

2018-12-08 21:02:34 UTC

Just from a gun rights perspective, Reagan was a complete traitor

2018-12-08 21:03:33 UTC

so was bushy

2018-12-08 21:04:39 UTC

I can't remember the last president hat actively supported gun rights

2018-12-08 21:08:04 UTC

Drumpf has been a disappointment here, and has only very moderately delivered on his immigration promises

2018-12-08 21:16:03 UTC

@Benis Reagan was a Big Gay... for you

2018-12-08 21:36:12 UTC

Can't figure out wtf a neocon is

2018-12-08 21:36:26 UTC

Even after like a decade and a half

2018-12-08 21:36:48 UTC

Center right?

2018-12-08 21:38:37 UTC

Neocons are trotskites who decided to subvert the right wing

2018-12-08 21:39:01 UTC

Wot

2018-12-08 21:39:05 UTC
2018-12-08 21:39:05 UTC

They're just nominally right wing neoliberals who have an Israel centric foreign policy

2018-12-08 21:39:07 UTC

>rightwing

2018-12-08 21:39:14 UTC

>is a Trotsky

2018-12-08 21:39:24 UTC

<:thinken:283795936189349888>

2018-12-08 21:39:28 UTC

You know Bill Kristol right?

2018-12-08 21:39:36 UTC

So it's a kike scheme then

2018-12-08 21:39:41 UTC

Bascially

2018-12-08 21:40:32 UTC

Neocons ARE the biggest pushers of Muh Israel ๐Ÿค”

2018-12-08 21:40:39 UTC

His dad, who was hugely influential in the neocon sphere, was a Trotskite in the New York Intellectuals

2018-12-08 21:42:00 UTC

I'd rather back Israel than any of those smelly towelhead countries

2018-12-08 21:42:04 UTC

even though I hate israel

2018-12-08 21:42:57 UTC

Is this where I say "neocon detected"

2018-12-08 21:43:01 UTC

:^)

2018-12-08 21:43:46 UTC

I'd rather just not give any of them US tax dollars and work with whoever is on top at the time

2018-12-08 21:49:22 UTC

If I send selfies in my Black Sun shirt, is that proof of "non-neocon" status?

2018-12-08 21:49:38 UTC

cause I love getting into dick measuring contests on the internet

2018-12-08 21:49:56 UTC

@Benis ain't that the best way to be

2018-12-08 21:50:09 UTC

That's what Soros would do

2018-12-08 21:50:29 UTC

No you must also wave a commie flag and yell "THE ONLT THING YOU HAVE TO LOSE IS YOUR CHAINS" then beat up elderly cause you think they voted drumpf

2018-12-08 21:50:42 UTC

anti boomer aktion

2018-12-08 22:03:54 UTC

but I hate commies... that would hurt my pride and my conscience so much

2018-12-08 22:16:00 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521087579605434427/47682245_720561921671003_6405030500267720704_n.jpg

2018-12-08 22:16:05 UTC

What the fuck

2018-12-08 22:16:45 UTC

why is this even news article worthy

2018-12-08 22:17:02 UTC

you really must have nothing to report

2018-12-08 22:17:43 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521088013544062977/Dt4XdRsVAAABEvj.png

2018-12-08 22:18:04 UTC

omg

2018-12-08 22:42:45 UTC

The day people stop caring about clean-shaven is the day they start growing *sexy* beards

2018-12-08 22:43:12 UTC

look at Tom Selleck. Jeff Dean Morgan. Jason Statham. Dick Maricinko

2018-12-09 09:13:30 UTC

I finally grew my first mustache since the military and office/fed jobs

2018-12-09 09:13:47 UTC

It's a big cop bushy Caterpillar mustache and I love it

2018-12-09 09:13:51 UTC

This man is right ^^

2018-12-09 12:24:48 UTC

Just be in the navy and they let you grow facial hair to an extent^)

2018-12-09 15:00:35 UTC

Yeah, the hitler stache

2018-12-09 15:06:57 UTC

USMC you can grow a deployment stache but, not much more.

2018-12-09 15:07:01 UTC

Same as the USN

2018-12-09 15:07:48 UTC

I got a trimmed beard going

2018-12-09 15:08:10 UTC

Just keep it not neckbeard and not too long and it's fine

2018-12-09 15:21:34 UTC

Yeah, you're RN

2018-12-09 15:21:37 UTC

Not USN

2018-12-09 21:31:15 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521438705878302740/based_and_redpilled.gif

2018-12-09 22:16:48 UTC

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2018-12-09 22:16:49 UTC

Hereโ€™s the original

2018-12-09 22:17:05 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521450239199150090/based_and_redpilled.webm

2018-12-09 22:29:05 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521453259311808522/FB_IMG_1541119982564.jpg

2018-12-09 23:23:07 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521466859279745025/image0.jpg

2018-12-10 03:57:07 UTC

I hate boomers so much

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521535812882399233/DuBi-jvU0AAzGz8.png

2018-12-10 03:59:44 UTC

Not quite sure how boomers and that pic relate to each Other?

2018-12-10 04:00:56 UTC

It's the Q anon shit

2018-12-10 04:01:40 UTC

No clue.

2018-12-10 04:02:21 UTC

tldr it's some gay /pol/ larp that's been picked up by boomers

2018-12-10 07:02:09 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521582370764357635/DuBo1C9UwAATTgM.png

2018-12-10 13:42:54 UTC

Anything Q has been right about? Lol I donโ€™t follow magapede memes

2018-12-10 14:58:24 UTC

Why is this a thing. Also anyone else gonna be a Paladin to fight them?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521702229753987073/IMG_20181210_095437.jpg

2018-12-10 15:00:45 UTC

Because FUG DRUMPF :DDDDDDDDDD

2018-12-10 15:03:23 UTC

Hold my beer

2018-12-10 15:36:40 UTC

Right wing paladin squads when?

2018-12-10 16:02:57 UTC

Not soon enough

2018-12-10 16:48:40 UTC

Would witches and the like be considered enemies of the kube?

2018-12-10 17:00:26 UTC

yes

2018-12-10 17:05:40 UTC

ENEMIES OF THE KUBE

2018-12-10 17:05:52 UTC

MOBILIZE THE PALADIN SSQUADS

2018-12-10 17:18:08 UTC

Suffer Not the Witch to live!

2018-12-10 17:36:48 UTC

Salem witch trials part 2: trial by gunfire

2018-12-10 17:37:03 UTC

In the minecraft server, of course

2018-12-10 19:36:04 UTC

@tumble Q is probably multiple posters. Like many 'predictions' on /pol/ it's simply a matter of volume until something turns out to be right.

2018-12-10 19:50:34 UTC

Q is confirmed multiple posters.

2018-12-10 19:51:13 UTC

Whether or not there is one actual Q and shills posting as him is more of the question.

2018-12-10 19:51:31 UTC

Shills/and or larpers

2018-12-10 20:01:49 UTC

It's probably all larpers and shills

2018-12-10 20:27:44 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521785109746286592/48020615_329098781258278_3207068886130229248_o.png

2018-12-10 20:49:46 UTC

Explains why she is commie

2018-12-10 21:30:44 UTC

Conceptualize my surprise

2018-12-10 21:30:56 UTC

the commie is a jew

2018-12-10 21:32:16 UTC

everyfuckingtime

2018-12-10 21:36:57 UTC

Is she memeing with holding her hands like that or is it catching someone in a natural pose

2018-12-10 22:21:30 UTC

Washington Post. It was done on purpose for "muh anti-Semitism"

2018-12-10 22:44:45 UTC

Tbh I don't think she's actually Jewish, but is just posing as one to increase influence

2018-12-10 22:50:18 UTC

(((Influence)))

2018-12-10 22:50:47 UTC

reminder that anti-semitism and communism/socialism are the goddamn same. hate of those deemed more successful. it's not wonder that all socialist movements had anti-semitic streaks.

2018-12-10 22:52:16 UTC

>implying people don't like Jews because they are successful

2018-12-10 22:52:39 UTC

No one cares that Jews make money, the issue comes from how they make it and what kind of values they support

2018-12-10 22:52:55 UTC

Nearly all socialist movements had semitic streaks.

2018-12-10 22:54:48 UTC

Serv is just baiting

2018-12-10 22:56:51 UTC

@Benis bullshit, jews make money the same way everyone else does. ya just hate em cause you aint em

2018-12-10 22:57:05 UTC

and tell that to all the jews that got fuckin gulaged

2018-12-10 23:01:54 UTC

but... da jooz...

2018-12-10 23:02:55 UTC

don't be a a lefty and bl;ame your problems on others

2018-12-10 23:06:06 UTC

Israel made me fat and diabetic

2018-12-10 23:06:10 UTC

Fuckin jooz

2018-12-10 23:15:23 UTC

Fuck!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521827299100721183/Snapchat-2049880002.jpg

2018-12-10 23:15:36 UTC

Socialism, in particular Stalinism, only attacked individual Jews, never Jews as a collective. Antisemitism was banned in the USSR. Leftist politics are ultimately the politics of the other, and Jews are always the other in any European society. This is why Jews in Israel are very right wing, because they do not have to engage in the politics of the other. As for the aspect of money and success, Ashkenazi Jews have slightly higher than average IQs in America, but earn far beyond what advantage that would bring. Jewish students comprise about 4-6% of high performing students despite being 2% of the population. Any representation above 4-6% is evidence of nepotism, especially with elite colleges often comprising of up to 30% Jewish students.

2018-12-10 23:16:16 UTC

god forbid good family values giving better outcomes in life

2018-12-10 23:16:32 UTC

it's like you want everyone to act like nigs

2018-12-10 23:16:53 UTC

Jews don't have good family values though, outside the Orthodox community.

2018-12-10 23:16:59 UTC

you should want more people to act like jews and emulate their success

2018-12-10 23:17:20 UTC

I do wish white people were nearly as ethnocentric as Jews.

2018-12-10 23:17:54 UTC

i am a jew, i did well in school cause i was a smart fucking nerd, not because anyone did me any favors

2018-12-10 23:18:48 UTC

disregard bitches, do homework, then play america's army and counter strike till midnight

2018-12-10 23:19:49 UTC

The existence of middle class Jews doesn't disprove the negative influence of elite Jewish power on America. Not all individual Jews are bad or leftists, but the influence of the organized Jewish community is overwhelmingly negative.

2018-12-10 23:21:58 UTC

lol

2018-12-10 23:24:42 UTC

Here's a real eye-opener, in the 40s most Jews who came to America settled in New York City or Los Angeles and most their descendants never moved out, as those places got more Progressive the people in them did as well. Jews are not anymore inherently leftist that any other group of people

2018-12-10 23:25:26 UTC

So you're saying after Jews moved there those places became havens of left wing ideals? I wonder if there's any correlation there.

2018-12-10 23:25:27 UTC

And because Jews were excluded from most of society until the mid 50's and 60's, they stuck together which is why they built each other up and became elites. Not because that there's some sort of conspiracy

2018-12-10 23:25:57 UTC

@Benis yes because a few thousand people can influence the politics of places containing millions of people.

2018-12-10 23:26:00 UTC

Full retard

2018-12-10 23:26:23 UTC

Lrn2 history

2018-12-10 23:26:37 UTC

@serv I do actually agree with that. That's actually pretty much the summary of Culture of Critique. I'm not saying Jews are acting irrationally, just that their interests are counter to mine.

2018-12-10 23:26:46 UTC

And if you can argue with me, don't use gungrabber tier logic

2018-12-10 23:27:21 UTC

Yes because Jews as a entire group share the same interests smh

2018-12-10 23:27:52 UTC

Do you not think that groups of people can't have generally the same interests?

2018-12-10 23:27:52 UTC

You going to tell me about the lizard people next

2018-12-10 23:28:06 UTC

What kind of values do Jews generally hold on average?

2018-12-10 23:28:21 UTC

We literally have the same values as every other American and if you spent any time around Jews you'd see that

2018-12-10 23:29:02 UTC

Saying that the Jews were at the heart of the socialist movement doesn't make sense when we also consider that Jews were at the heart of the libertarian movement

2018-12-10 23:29:54 UTC

Both those movements are materialist and centered around money. Neither of those economic platforms are beneficial for the average white family in America.

2018-12-10 23:30:18 UTC

Libertarianism isn't centered around money at all it's centered around the freedom of people to do as they wish as long as they don't aggress on each other

2018-12-10 23:32:17 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521831551013486609/IMG_20181210_163208.jpg

2018-12-10 23:32:36 UTC

Libertarianism is absolutely centered around money, it's an economic worldview more so than anything else. Just because Jews are involved in one political movement doesn't disprove their involvement in another. Neoliberalism vs neoconservatism is a perfect example of this.

2018-12-10 23:33:05 UTC

In any case, the primary contribution of Jews to libertarianism is economic

2018-12-10 23:33:24 UTC

URC don't know shit about libertarianism if you think it's an economic concept, Libertarians usually support Austrian economics which is its own thing, but there's nothing in libertarianism that says anything about money

2018-12-10 23:34:58 UTC

Austrian economics are a core part of libertarianism, at least for right libertarians.

2018-12-10 23:35:20 UTC

Which is almost always what people are referring to in the American discussion on the ideology

2018-12-10 23:35:41 UTC

Right libertarian is a dumb term, there's 11 types of Libertarians

2018-12-10 23:36:04 UTC

Because it's a broad philosophy, not a single thing

2018-12-10 23:36:07 UTC

Whatโ€™s the part with snakes and militias?

2018-12-10 23:36:59 UTC

The only left libertarian movements in America haven't been relevant since the 1960's with the exception of anarchists.

2018-12-10 23:38:27 UTC

and the long form version (52min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37TGY8-LiHw

2018-12-10 23:42:22 UTC

I'm very familiar with libertarianism as an ideology, I used to be one. It's generally very materialist and libertarian economics have been a disaster for America.

2018-12-10 23:44:06 UTC

Yes because monetary policy has been so well, engineered inflation stealing our future

2018-12-10 23:45:49 UTC

It's basically theft by Central Bank

2018-12-10 23:50:08 UTC

Inflation isn't great, but interest is the real problem and actually constitutes theft. The abolition of a central bank isn't the answer and leads to the clusterfuck of the wildcat banking era. A much better alternative is nationalizing the central bank.

2018-12-10 23:51:44 UTC

Yes I'm sure letting Congress Trump Obama and all the other idiots in government touch it will yield even better results /s

2018-12-10 23:54:08 UTC

I don't think government is fundamentally a bad thing, the problem is who currently runs it. The current elite class is the problem. Strip them of power and influence and you could build a much better system. At least, under the government, the people know who actually has control over it. Private banks are accountable to no one.

2018-12-10 23:55:22 UTC

Government itself is the problem, because people are inherently flawed.

only naive people think that it's a simple case of the right people not being in power

2018-12-10 23:56:01 UTC

And governments are inherently always run and staffed by the elites

2018-12-11 00:01:36 UTC

Government shouldn't be overbearing but it can do certain things better than private entities. Bureaucracy isn't always inefficient. There is always an elite class, even under a system with little government. Their existence isn't a problem, but the problem is how they use their power, which is overwhelmingly at the detriment of the backbone of the country. The throwing out of the current elite would fix the country, which would undo the sort of elite revolution of the 1960s.

2018-12-11 00:37:22 UTC

clinton foundation pay to play bout to get the rekoning

2018-12-11 01:22:09 UTC

@Sadmin who let this jew in?

2018-12-11 01:23:54 UTC

shut up newfag

2018-12-11 01:24:15 UTC

no u filthy jew plant

2018-12-11 01:25:07 UTC

You're case in point that Hitler made mistakes. He didn't kill your ancestors fast enough.

2018-12-11 01:27:24 UTC

you're just jelly

2018-12-11 01:27:54 UTC

I don't want your faggy jew money

2018-12-11 01:28:49 UTC

yeah my big dick energy $32K a year money ๐Ÿ™„

2018-12-11 01:29:11 UTC

I crave only ethno-nationalism

2018-12-11 01:29:46 UTC

which the jews have perfected in isreal, jelly.

2018-12-11 01:29:50 UTC

Also, you got jewed by jews, how does it feel?

2018-12-11 01:30:15 UTC

"jews perfected ethno-nationalism" ok retard.

2018-12-11 01:30:23 UTC

prove me wrong

2018-12-11 01:30:32 UTC

Asia does that by existing

2018-12-11 01:31:07 UTC

Israel is just sand-niggers fighting over holy sand

2018-12-11 01:32:44 UTC

we'll pick this up tomorrow, gonna smush my face in to the gf's tits and go to sleep.

2018-12-11 01:57:59 UTC

Aight

2018-12-11 02:47:49 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/521880760110546944/honhonhon_1.mov

2018-12-11 20:58:59 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/522155362175025152/novorossiya_by_icecrimea_d7mmj1x-pre.jpg

2018-12-11 21:26:26 UTC

Whom'st've is this Arvid fag and why are they posting shitty drawings everywhere?

2018-12-11 21:27:34 UTC

Deviantart spaghetti tier

2018-12-12 00:30:23 UTC

@RoflTank who are you faggot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/522208563842514965/crimean_crisis_by_icecrimea_d7ckdoh-fullview.jpg

2018-12-12 00:30:37 UTC

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2018-12-12 00:52:05 UTC

What the fuck is this.

2018-12-12 00:53:49 UTC

<:doggo:424208997244207104>

2018-12-12 00:54:25 UTC

<:okretard:483705824833830944>

2018-12-12 00:59:56 UTC

/pol/ versions of CWC Sonichu drawings

2018-12-12 02:02:26 UTC

Jesus Christ kill it with fire.jpg

2018-12-12 06:07:03 UTC

If I wanted to see this I'd go on /d/

2018-12-12 08:44:07 UTC

Austrian economics are superior to Keynesian economics.

2018-12-12 08:44:14 UTC

Fuck the central bank and deficit spending.

2018-12-12 08:45:13 UTC

The Bogandoffs and the Cloward Piven strategy are working.

2018-12-12 08:45:20 UTC

We are all sheep to the slaughter.

2018-12-12 08:45:50 UTC

That's a false dichotomy. You can have a central bank that doesn't rely on debt and usury to operate, it just needs to be nationalized.

2018-12-12 08:46:15 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/522333351873478656/barack-the-plumber.png

2018-12-12 08:47:11 UTC

There's no False Dichotomy. I said fuck them both. Not because they are or aren't mutually exclusive, I just put them in the same sentence because my stance is the same in regards to both.

2018-12-12 08:47:41 UTC

It's not an either or situation, I just said fuck em both

2018-12-12 09:33:45 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/522345306453442560/QGiQhcP.png

2018-12-12 09:50:29 UTC

5/10

2018-12-12 09:50:37 UTC

No one put Johnny sins in there

2018-12-12 15:51:27 UTC

Aight I gotta vent about the French
>Be French
>Eat snails
>Eat garbage bits of animals
>Women don't shave
>You bathe irregularly
>Sleep with anything with a pulse
>Openly sneer at other people for not acting like you
>Wonder why people dislike you as a people but like all your shit

2018-12-12 15:53:41 UTC

Yo I dont like the french
But snails aint bad man

2018-12-12 16:35:10 UTC

Eating snails is how you get parasites

2018-12-12 16:36:45 UTC

That's why you feed em carrots until they shit orange

2018-12-12 16:38:23 UTC

The snails?

2018-12-12 16:38:34 UTC

Or the French?

2018-12-12 17:15:21 UTC

*yes*

2018-12-12 18:04:23 UTC

Escargot is just a butter and garlic delivery device

2018-12-12 18:34:10 UTC

I've heard that before

2018-12-12 18:34:19 UTC

Kind of like lobster, then?

2018-12-12 18:43:58 UTC

lobster is good on its own though

2018-12-12 18:44:03 UTC

Just like crab

2018-12-12 19:23:21 UTC

Exactly

2018-12-12 19:26:22 UTC

Crab is good, lobster is bland imo

2018-12-12 19:26:35 UTC

Also kinda pricey for what it is

2018-12-12 19:27:41 UTC

There both expensive tho

2018-12-12 19:28:16 UTC

Unless youโ€™re eating MD blue crabs

2018-12-12 19:31:10 UTC

I get cheap seafood and crabs lol

2018-12-12 19:37:15 UTC

Like if you are coastie seafood better be cheap

2018-12-12 19:53:49 UTC

Seafood is only really expensive if oyu live away from a coastline

2018-12-12 19:54:04 UTC

I mean shit, you can make your own lobster traps and crab pots if you really want

2018-12-12 19:54:51 UTC

Find a spot maybe 20-30ft deep, nice and lit during the day with lots of rock cover and fish activity, then drop em and leave em for a week or so.

2018-12-12 19:55:42 UTC

Come back, bring em up, you'll have a couple nice fat lobsters and/or crabs, since they like to fight over the best hiding spots. So the biggest niggas take over the traps and then get eaten.

2018-12-14 03:58:13 UTC

Here's one article that talks about the links between genes and social outcomes in language you should be able to understand: http://archive.is/7632t

2018-12-14 04:10:24 UTC

_in language you should be able to understand_

2018-12-14 04:10:27 UTC

There it is

2018-12-14 04:10:38 UTC

@Maj. Asshole I need a meme, quick

2018-12-14 04:10:51 UTC

Someone complained that the other ones were too full of scientific terms

2018-12-14 04:10:59 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483396518880215040/522988853410267169/e02.jpg

2018-12-14 04:11:14 UTC

Benis you're *really* not helping yourself here.

2018-12-14 04:11:15 UTC

Thanks โค

2018-12-14 04:11:23 UTC

So I posted one that was made for a non-scientific audience

2018-12-14 04:11:40 UTC

I wouldn't have said it if someone did specifically complain about it.

2018-12-14 04:12:52 UTC

>"Without posting needlessly complex papers of which people who don't have degrees can't begin to read"

2018-12-14 04:14:18 UTC

Holy shit youโ€™re so smart dude

2018-12-14 04:14:29 UTC

So, where's that 50% figure come from?

2018-12-14 04:14:30 UTC

I think my brain just broke trying to read that

2018-12-14 04:14:42 UTC

They're talking about a _measurable influence_

2018-12-14 04:14:46 UTC

@Runes Abstract says well over 50% in adulthood.

2018-12-14 04:14:53 UTC

>abstract

2018-12-14 04:14:55 UTC

nigga

2018-12-14 04:15:00 UTC

do you even cite shit

2018-12-14 04:15:44 UTC

Also, just a bit of a FYI - Scientific papers do not make them valid or true.

2018-12-14 04:15:48 UTC

Yes I know that for perfect grammar you are supposed to say *the* abstract.

2018-12-14 04:15:49 UTC

^

2018-12-14 04:15:56 UTC

I mean ^ for runes

2018-12-14 04:16:18 UTC

But I'm not writing a scientific paper here so I'm not following any citation conventions

2018-12-14 04:16:18 UTC

>Grammar policing to hide being wrong

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