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Yeah, no kidding.
People have been getting banned since 2016. This isn't new, its just dialed to 11.
what do you think is happening?
hopefully lots of talk and no action
hopefully the opposite ....
unless
wait, what action you meant?
i'll be back
That's a drop in Jack Dorsey's net worth of nearly $800 million in one day
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/twitter-shares-drop-in-first-trading-day-after-trump-ban.html
more than 800
i wonder how much he will be left with by next week
People are about to learn how bad it's really going to get for those involved.
Ever wonder what it's like when 20-30+ people get charged with felony murder of one person?
No fear tactics there...riiight?
Trial ought to be fun.
aint gonna stick
you know there is such thing as a standard of reasonable doubt..... so this aint meeting it
Go look up the statutes for Felony Murder, (felony is being beyond the barricades on Federal property) then a death occurs because of the ongoing event of the felony. It is generally used to charge the getaway driver when the stick up man at 7-11 kills the clerk.
Everyone within about 20 feet of an officer getting his head smashed in with a fire extinguisher at least knew that the action of hitting someone over the head with a fire extinguisher could lead to serious bodily injury or death. And they failed to take action either to prevent or attempt to prevent it from occurring. So, tough shit as other's have said some people are going to learn what f*&k you in the a$$ prison really is.
We aren't saying that the people who didn't see it or weren't in the immediate area will be charged with Felony Murder. They are saying that the people who were in the immediate area failed to make even the smallest attempt to prevent, or reduce it, could be charged with it.
I know what a felony murder is, but there has to be no interceding or superceding events
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cant spell
your last paragraph.... well
how would you define the zone of danger in a riot?
because I think that's somewhat what yo uare referring to
you are
No, that's not how the law works with felony murder actually.
It's very common to charge every party involved with it.
ok, since you are a lawyer I am assuming
Even if you did nothing but drive a car for the murderer.
I mean, you could ask Robert this yourself.
He's talked about it multiple times before.
actually, if you drive the car that really depends on the circumstances... you can ask robert. Was murder before or after? did they stop for a burrito before driving further? etc etc
@Eden, you just advanced to level 13!
yes, that does work that way, because of the circumstances
The person you're arguing against -- the quote I gave, is literally a legal expert themselves. I guarantee you that Robert will agree.
I'll bring it up to him tomorrow if you'd like.
There you go, I never had to write a police report for it. I am absolutely making assumptions. My thought process is that a person at the event but not inside the area to prevent the death shouldn't be charged. But the lawyers have something different... Figures ๐
Thanks @Maw
let me explain.... @Maw
the shootout happened as they walked through the front door with the shootout itself being immediately after. 1)the suspect was a participant in the shootout (you cant say he was too far away, too close, or not part of the roberry 2) there were not superceding event
Definition of Superseding Cause
Noun
An unforeseeable event that interrupts the chain of causation, becoming the actual cause of the accident.
so... now taking this to the each and single rioter... 1) how would you describe participant? and prove that they were in fact beyond a reasonable doubt 2) they will have a perfect defense of there were 20 other people that were superceding causes to the death
""The common purpose may not have been to kill and murder, but if it was unlawful, as, for instance, to break in and steal, and in the execution of this common purpose a homicide is committed by one, as a probable or natural consequence of the acts done in pursuance of the common design, then all present participating in the unlawful common design are as guilty as the slayer.""
SCOTUS ruling.
Ashley Bobbit death has not been even commented on by the DA office yet, and you are already making assumptions on felony murder
agree, and aware of this.....
now, back to REALITY
Officer Sidnick was killed outside the capitol with a fire extinguisher to the head.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
We're clearly talking about a mob beating a man to death.
is it on video?
And attempting to beat another officer to death.
And attempting to crush another officer to death.
yes, the person beating him with extinguisher will likely go down with at least Manslaughter, likely Murder 2
Not a released one yet. But I am sure with all the cameras and phones with cameras recording it probably was
... manslaughter... for literally murdering someone with a blunt instrument. Interesting take.
well, when you find that video, and ID that person, then.....
Oh, guarantee you they have.
@maw can I link to a Donut operator video released about this...
This is the capitol building we're talking about, surveillance everywhere.
Not low-tech surveillance neither.
He did not die until later, and was "fine" for several hours. I bet the cause of death would be an epidural hematoma
That image is so... smdh.
oh.... ok, sorry I was not aware of that image
That's not even the officer that died.
That's just one they tried to murder.
Beat him over the back of the head with an American flag.
While he was unconscious.
No that one did survive, thankfully... But it had me wondering where his partner was and why lead wasn't flying...
You can see his partner's boots in the image.
I know, I am just saying that in situations like that protecting a downed officer from additional harm... Its a tough situation.
And there is no training or preparation for it either
You're seriously making it up on the fly
ok, so just watch half the vide
it is horrible btw.... hard to watch
Thats not the officer that died, but all those people are likely to be charged attempted murder (the ones beating, and at least conspiracy to attempted murder for all in vicinity
for Brian Sicknicks, they need the video, or they wont get anyone
You want to see another bad one? Go watch the officer nearly crushed to death as his ribs break and rupture his lungs.
As he screams.
Be forewarned, it's disturbing.
I highly doubt that the Capitol surveillance system didn't catch it. More than likely they want the vids from people because they don't want to reveal the level of sophistication they have in their cameras and facial recognition etc.
for the officer being dragged, as horrible as it is, likely it would be hard to charge attempted felony murder the person who is sanding far away in the corner....
and it looks like a couple people were actually trying to help, so they may plead out. Rest are conspiracy, quite reasonable.....
not sure what min/max sentences all those carry
I haven't seen it yet. Although something tells me that I am going to see it soon whether I want to or not
Dont forget @Maw, that what you charge you have to prove in court, which is why I brought in "beyond the reasonable doubt"
link? for the officer video?
but when you have a video like that, its pretty damming with a jury, so unless you can say "I went to front line and begged them to stop and begged them to leave the officer alone, and tried to fight them.....
they dont have to release this to the public, it can be presented and sealed in court
I can't link it here.
ok, maybe not before bed.... i'm not big on people screaming in pain
It's very easy to fracture ribs though.
and its one of the more innervated and painful area of the body
Facebook and Twitter should have purged these people years ago
It happens almost every time in CPR, so just imagine that while you watch the video, and you'll be able to imagine the pain he's in.
But you were asking if there was a video for it. And I gave you a reason why they probably aren't. I wasn't speaking about court however if they can get ahold of a Cell phone video that would work just as well or multiple and they wouldn't have to risk the national security implications if the judge refused to seal the video
The capitol will not likely release footage of the incident until after the investigation is complete and charges are about to be brought.
So the person does not become a fugitive from justice.
There is that too.
I think I was commenting on your comment that they will CHARGE them with felony murder, and saying why its actually unlikely .... and how it would be nearly impossible to get "all the people in the room"
this was your comment
"Ever wonder what it's like when 20-30+ people get charged with felony murder of one person?"
exactly what you said
Yup!
And I stand by it.
Either way, this is a situation where Felony Murder makes sense.
I also wonder what the timeline between the 2 officer down calls and the ois inside the Capitol
no, they wont charge 20, or even 10 for 1 person...
no, they wont get charged with "felony murder"
and its highly questionable what would be the charge on the officer who got dragged on video, but at best its attempted murder and conspiracy
If the OIS happened just after 2 radio calls of officer down it would add clarity to the reason the officer inside the Capitol shot Ashli Bobbitt
and I'm explaining to you why its not the case for the riots
And I respectfully disagree. We'll just have to see what happens.
if there is no clear video of the officer who got hit with the fire extinguisher, they may be out of luck there too
Guarantee you there is.
It happened in/on the capitol grounds.
and you can even ask Robert how unlikely it is (your exact phrase)..... but I doubt he reads the chat here
I am Robert's mod. I meant ask him for his stream tomorrow!
IF there is a video, and they can trace the person and do facial recognition, they likely will get murder 2-3
I didn't know he had mods.... why haven't you modded the heck out of me?? I'm always the troublemaker
Because you've not broken rules? lol
It's why my name is red though.
I wasn't aware there were any rules.... i thought this was like wild wild west
If you click my name you'll see my user tags for this channel.
well... show him the chat if you want to...
Since it's a federal LEO who was uniformed it would be the federal equivalent to Capital Murder and a potential Death penalty case.
Only for the person that landed the killing blow. Felony murder has an exception for capital punishment that only the person that committed the murder can be sentenced to, accomplices cannot.
Fair enough, the guy holding the fire extinguisher.
Is there an enhancement on the penalty for felony murder if the victim is a LEO I can't remember...
LEO???
What I was going to mention though, is that all the murder conspiracy, attempted murder + conspiracy, etc, the charges are actually going to be much more serious because of the multiple felony charges related to rioting (whatever those are) that will be brought with it. That essentially makes it much worse, and adds many many many years to the sentencing. And whats good is it to win the murder conspiracy charge, if your other charges are still possibly gonna get you 50 years, unless you have a good lawyer i guess, dont open your mouth before you have one, and maybe get concurrent and plea down to testify....
oooooohhh.... law enforcement officer.... i'ts late
brain not working
I started thinking of Safari all of a sudden.... while we are about to go to war with china
And we're not going to war with China.
Sorry!
there is about 25% chance as of today
There are generally enhancements for most Crimes against persons if the actor knew that the victim was a law enforcement officer, Public Official, First Responder etc. The list varies based on state etc. So, I understand that there isn't capital punishment for co-conspirators @Maw but is there a penalty enhancement for LEOs on felony murder charges?
likely yes
I would think so. But I am no longer active LEO and I am a bit rusty on my penal codes and statutes.
Trust the plan!
The framerate on that camera is bugging the heck out of me. Can the plan include them uploading at 30fps minimum?
It is in 30 fps...the file just sucks...or intentional...
That tweet is in relation to:
*"New: China has withdrawn 10,000 troops from its disputed border with India in recent weeks
China sees little prospect of a conflict over winter
Some soldiers returned to barracks after a year of duty but โcould be redeployed within a weekโ
- South China Morning post"*
Hmm
@Bunga Poro, you just advanced to level 2!
Yes, goes toward maximum sentencing.
So upgraded on life in prison could end up netting the death penalty.
It's exceedingly rare in modern days though.
Unless you perform terroristic acts/murdering children/families.
Given the insurrection aspect, it could very well potentially earn a death penalty.
Since that's a lot of sentence modifiers.
Serious sentence modifiers.
It could take 10-20+ years before that sort of punishment actually happened though.
If someone can help me find context for that video that'd be appreciated.
where is this?
and when
Yes that's part of context.
This is disgusting. It makes no sense. We arenโt Antifa. We respect police. Who were these animals? I find it hard to believe they were Trump supporters
Trust the plan!
14th amendment time?
C'mon USA ๐บ๐ธ, you must stop this m*ther f*ckers!!! INVOKE THE INSURRECTION ACT! Hello from Europe ๐ค๐ปAll WORLD IS NOW TOGETHER ๐ช๐ปHOLD THE LINE
Well, this is normal /s ๐
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/deutsche-bank-trump-signature-b1785952.html
Well, this is not normal๐๐ป. This is the real face of these...
I know... /s = sarcasm. Itโs insane to be honest.
Ok, yeah your right.
What do you think? will be today's DT speech.
@LetitBe, you just advanced to level 1!
So now everything up to banks will be segregated based on political opinion I guess
it will be allowed to discriminate based on political belief
Anyone who agrees with any of this is literally applauding there own demise. They shouldnโt be aloud to do this! If they can do it to the **current** President they can do it to anyone.
@Beth do you think there's any other solution besides supporting this?
the hate against conservatives will continue until they are dirt beneath your shoe
better to support dems now
Correct
let them get to as extreme as they can
get it over with ๐
Individually no. People collectively have to stand up to it, legally. If they believed itโs truly against there own interests then they wouldnโt do it.
big tech don't care, silencing you is zero cost
you won't stop buying amazon
becaue amazon is the only one selling in covid
Wow the entire country of Europe is here ๐
The tech giants have only gained power through this crisis, that's why you're still locked down despite a vaccine being out. It's insane how stupid everyone is ๐
Thatโs an absurd take. Most political stances arenโt so abhorrent they support terrorism ๐
Yeah, The whole world is watching the U.S. ๐บ๐ธ๐
We must win, WE THE PEOPLE.
Like having a bank say everyone not supporting riots in capitol buildings welcome thatโs not about politics
@Dedkraken supporting a protest is not the same as supporting terrorism. Nice spin, watch more CNN, peaceful protests, tell me more.
We the people doesnโt include the UK pricks we sent packing ๐๐คท
Pompeo is speaking about Iran right now.
Lets support peaceful protests when they burn down in the name of BLM but lets cancel culture riots when they chant republican chants.
Who supported peaceful protests and got removed from banks?
no one
that's the problem
lol
City of London going down ๐
Why is that a problem
because if you support one riot you should be cancelled or not cancelled equally regardless which political faction the riot was?
So you want what the government to dictate to corporations what level of riot they find crossing the line. Lots of new marxists this year
If there was no flat screen there was no riot.
@Dedkraken If you're a platform, or provide a service, yes, I believe you should not be allowed to discriminate your customers based on their political beliefs, is that marxist? ๐
Businesses ban your ass when having you as a customer makes them look bad and bleed money. You canโt be like well Iโm going to force you to ban people I donโt like as a political party also ๐
No, lol, I said equally
I didn't say the option was to cancel who I don't like
you are putting words in my mouth.
Political view is not a protected class
Yes, that's why we're headed to a world where everything segregated based on political opinion.
We are never going to make a law that says if you support being a nazi we protect your right to not be discriminated
Tech concentration camps for those you disagree with, no gmail no amazon, no wallmart if you're conservative. Good luck buying food in covid.
private companies can ban whoever they want, right?
I mean you could but it will take a constitutional amendment good luck ๐
No companies canโt ban whoever they want
^
In capitalism free market outside of protected class corporations can do what they want to protect their interests. Alternatively in Marxism the govt can step in and force your politics down their throat. You are made you are on the receiving end of capitalism
A set of rules corporations have to follow that is lax and unrestrictive exactly because of right wing policy and platforms
Yeah? I'm not saying it's illegal lol
I'm just saying that's where we're headed ๐
and very very hypocritical of the left
Whyโs it hypocritical ๐
Because Jan 6th, asside from political consequences, was a con job
Besides that โthe leftโ has nothing to do with banks in Europe
reduce police so that riots are more eventful so that you can use it as an excuse to cancel culture all of the right
if you don't see that you're a sheep
if you can't make a comparison between the blm riots and this event
Democrats didnโt reduce police you are making shit up๐
Then who did?
And why?
Trump denied national guard
He wanted to watch the capital burn
What if republican's switched to democrat only to choose a reasonable candidate during the primary elections? Could this help mold the party internally rather than externally? Not saying they have to vote for a democrat during the election. Just help filter the candidates for the election.
Why is national guard required? Was national guard required to defend portland?
Republicans organized the riot in office
They wanted to violate our country with violent thugs
So you're saying, dems refused to send police, and then trump should've sent the national guard? When portalnd was under attack they refused to accept help from national guard, I thought states need to request it.
What dems โrefused to send policeโ this is fictional
where were the police then?
is portland better equipped to handle riots than DC?
how wasn't the federal courthouse in portland breached?
Exactly where were the police. When maga is running the streets they arenโt stopped
Yes? lol
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