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I view Monarchy and Democracy as private property vs public property.
Aydin brings up a central monarch, but I don't think she talked about barons or other lords
so it could very well be that she's talking about just Monarchy. but even then that doesn't gel with the part in her vision where people exist in small communities of free people.
that's not how that works
There will ceartainly be people who'll be granted titles, but those can be taken away. And frankly the only thing in feudalism I don't like is the freedom of movement.
and with the way the US economy works, primarily with an abnormally mobile workforce, you just couldn't get that sort of system to work without collapsing our whole economic system and starting over from a primarily agriculture-based economy
>Implying if there were to be a new system the old one would stay as it is.
well I don't think they consciously realize the radical change that would have to happen by the way they were talking about it.
I think only the normies believe that it can be achieve without much trouble although it could be as they said "They are becoming further right wing"
They are still new to this.
Although @AydinPaladin I hope you stoped calling it Anarcho-monarchy. I swear to my finger.
The path from normie, to actual thinking human is a long one, frought with peril and dead ends.
Anarcho-Monarchy? fucking what?
also, I didn't even realize she was in this discord. some mod I am
"Anarcho-Monarchy" Lol so just a normal monarchy?
depending on your definition of what a "normal" monarchy is
The best goverment ever.
>Die of plauge
>Executed for 'witchcraft'
>Taxed to living in mud huts
>Not knowing we are taxed more today.
>Die bc an atom bomb.
>Die in the name of "Freedom"
>NSA watching you fap
>Child drag queens
>Wars are becoming more barbaric
because Atom bombs would be so much better in the hands of a monarch, I'm sure.
imagine Wilhelm II with an A-bomb
Bc a monarch looking to get more land would destroy that same land
Not really interested in a debate about it atm, but I am interested in by what measure we are considered taxed more.
Willy sure tried his hardest to destroy a good part of French land he wanted to take
Also, if before anyone tries bringing up prima noctis. That was a bigger myth than smallpox blankets.
and he could have easily nuked London. capital of a nation he did not care for and who's supremacy on the waves threatened his dreams of Weltpolitik
Is it a philosophical war in his mind or an actual territorial war?
a war for the very existence of the Kaiserreich. to Wilhelm, Britain was almost as evil as France
Mate there is your answer.
and he had no interest in occupying the British Isles as far as I know. if he had the ability to crush them and remove them from the war, I do not believe he would have hesitated
When the US got in WWI it became a war of ideology Republic vs Monarchy, when it started as a territorial war.
of course the French and British were quick to reframe the public image along similar lines
I will not say there have never been bad kings such as King Louis X but they are far better than Wodrow Wilson for example.
we can trade good examples and bad as much as we want. one of the problems with American politics is that we've given the chief executive to much power. We've made his office more like that of a king's as time has gone on. the difference between a bad president and a bad king is that there are more people to get in the way of a bad president's decision.
I disagree, given than a King had to beg money for his wars while a president doesn't; a King can be controlled if they are unruly, mad, or bloodthirsty more often than a president than names his delusions as "The will of the people"; Kings are able too do much more good given that it is in his benefit to increase the current wealth and future wealth of his state; A president only thinks of the now.
keep in mind that it was not the republics that declared war first in WWI
it took the US until 1917 to join
But it ceartainly took a bitter turn when it got in, especially when it came to Germany.
of course it did. all that fresh material bolstering Germany's enemies. some 2 million fresh troops sent to the Western front. it's no wonder the civilian government and the military (the Kaiser himself having fled to neutral Holland) agreed to the armistice.
I was talking about the treaty of versailles.
oh, you mean WIlson's 14 points that the French pissed on?
You know what I'm trying to get, don't be coy.
what are you getting at?
What happened after WWI
Germany's economic collapse caused in large part by the reparations, a brief revolutionary period (not in that order), the dissarmament of germany, the eventual rise of the Nazis, what is your point?
Had Germany stayed as it was before WWI had that happened?
are you trying to suggest that they wouldn't be disarmed under the Kaiserreich?
Had Monarchy stayed in power had that happend?
yes. why wouldn't it have? at any rate, the Monarch himself decided to abdicate.
they didn't have much choice in the matter. sure, they could have told the allied powers to fuck themselves and continue prosecuting the war, but with the introduction of America and the revolts they were already dealing with, they would have risked going down the same path as Russia.
And then they became degenerates and then natsocs.
well we really have to ask ourselves which is worse, a united German-Russian Communist bloc or what we ended up getting instead.
Neither really are good.
but at least the Soviets and the Nazis expended a ton of their energy kicking the shit out of each other instead of focusing their attention elsewhere.
and let's not forget who funded Lenin's return to Russia from exile.
A country is not a person my dude
what good is a king if he does not take responsibility for his country's actions?
No, I'm saying name the person.
I just want to make sure you know.
I can't seem to find a specific person in the history book I have to hand. the most I get is a vague referrence to "German authorities"
Apparently according to historian Richard Pipes, who sources official documentation, the German foreign secretary, Richard von Kühlmann was either the man who came up with the idea or at the very least signed off on it. Additionally, the Germans, according to Eduard Bernstein, continued to send gold to the Bolsheviks between 1917 and 1918. As much as 50million deutsche marks.
I can't seem to find the number, but I'll take your word for it.
meanwhile Turkey is still extorting money from the EU in return for not releasing some 3.5 million refugees into Europe
Doesn't everyone use adblock anyhow?
We(Polish people) are very pissed of
It is Missclick
Umm.. what does that say?
It was talk with Polish anarchomonarchist, but I sent it accidentally
She told me How country steals money from people and how much
Polish politics is a big mess to be honest
But do you feel it's more stable than the rest of Europe? Do you see economic and social growth besides that?
I think that Poland is quite stable
Exception is Switzerland in Western Europe
Spain is very unstable
You think Switzerland is more stable? What do you think they're doing right? And what should Poland implement in your opinion?
Change the health care system for example one person have wait for medical operation for 13 years
13 years?! What?!
It’s record but it is real
What type of operation?
Denture in knee
It is caused by limits in national health fund
What does someone do in the meantime to manage while they wait for their operation?
They have to wait or go to do it private
So they walk with crutches or limping for all those years until the operation?
How would you fix that problem of the national health fund?
Make it private Health insurance costs stars from 60 PLN, it is about 15$
This is the easiest way
But the E.U gets in the way...
It wants to control everything and for example made special instructions how to use toilet xD
They listed snail as fish
They also defined curvature of banana
What the fuck
Yes this European Union
I knew they went mental with regulations
But holy shit
To give donations for making in Portugal jam from carrots, they listed carrots as fruits
There is plenty of senseless regulations
If I tried to list all of them, it could take me a lot of time
I remeber people talking about a bunch of them during the whole brexit thing
Are most Polish people wanting to get out of E.U or they're still not ready?
Most of us don’t want it
But there are people who want to erase all stupid laws and make EU only organisation which makes trade easier between countries
And why don't they?
Want to leave
They think that it can cause badly for Polish economy
pffft. ok, buddy
And I'm right.
are you tho?
seriously, I want to know what she said that made you think "this is a good idea"
Because is true
Who's watching the SOTU?
Would making IQ requirement for immigration be a good start for creating an Ethno state?
Some sort of intelligence requirement maybe, but IQ tests aren't the be all end all measurement of intelligence, or human potential for that matter.
Maybe IQ, values, and charisma might be the key?
I know about the IQ stuff, but since most non whites have an IQ under 95 that should limit a shit ton that could prevent a bunch of darkies from coming here and even most of the illegals couldn't stay
Values I would argue can be lied about
Granted I do think that is important
Well that would be fraud, and grounds for revokation of citizenship.
Obviously people already citizens can stay and won't be deported
Some need their citizenship revoked
I don't even think it's constitutional to do that nor would anyone even consider voting for that
Yeah, but I feel similarly about the IQ thing.
If it's even proposed they'll trot out the immigrant family with a downs kid holding an American flag.
But America doesn't import potatoes.
We export them.
Merric, Trump's speech today would've been a good opportunity to talk to your wife about your views.
My thinking is even if it doesn't work it will force conversations to be had that normally wouldn't have happen
Plus even with basic bitch normie con arguments would have a lot of logic to them
Meanwhile this fucking piece of shit
Trump clears Memo to be released unredacted
At noon apparently
Fuck that little cunt that's creating all the hype and won't press send.
I mean it can't be released until noon, some DC protocol bullshit
I'm more curious then anything
I'm trying not to buy the hype
But the lefties wouldn't be crying so hard about it if there wasn't shit in it
I mean they're whining about "national security" the party of unsecured lost emails
Try and keep the tweets in <#392499032414486529>
It's not a big deal tho
I now present. The liar's paradox. https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-seized-top-nazi-figure-lauds-german-nationalists-191037431.html
In political form that is.
so now there's literal Turkish propaganda on Youtube
I got this as a pre-roll ad
The thing I hate the most is that nothing w8ll ever come of this
Even if Obama sat in front of a camera and admitted it
Nothing would happen
At least the public knows and opinions will hopefully continue to sway our way
Does anyone know the full 411 on the Military Parade that has people upset? I know some details but I don't have the full context.
If I had to guess they're just mad because evil military
Because this talk of having a military parade is buttering my roll.
I want one
No, I have my water bottle half full. Why?
If Wakanda was in Europe and not Africa, the character and his story would be called Nazi propaganda.
Also I'm not sure if that qualifies him as Alt-right, but definitely a Paleocon
he's an ethno-nationalist in a very 19th-century sense
he seems to want reform, but wants to protect his culture and people as well.
Do you think he'd grant Wakandan citizenship to white people?
that's a good question. I'm not terribly familiar with T'Challa's character, and obviously his character has changed over the years, but I think he would see it as too great a risk, and not without reason considering Wakanda's position.
Agreed, but in my mind that's enough to easily label him a filthy alt-right ethno-statist in my mind.
although he did date a white girl at at least one point in time
But he married Storm, and they're childhood friends by some contrivance.
Really bad writing from what I remember.
So the Black Panther is Alt-right confirmed
somewhat. he's not a modern-style ethnonationalist per se
He's also a monarchist. Or should be. Knowing Marvel they've probably declared that Wakanda elects their king somehow.
I wonder what the average IQ of Wakanda is
Lower than you'd think due to extensive exposure to vibranium in the drinking water.
as far as I know, it's still passed down by blood. although the crown prince has to beat the current king in a trial by combat
in order to get the mantle of The Black Panther at least
Which is offest by the fact they have a crap ton of vibranium.
The cure for vibranium poisoning is to inject yourself with even more vabranium.
Even the water is trying to kill you in Africa.
Well is it possible that the average person of Wakanda is probably a little smarter than the average American black, but the nobles and royal of the country are just brilliant people
cocoa puffs are my favorite cereal
Look at thus shit
Not only have I not listened to Kendrick Lamar in like 3 years I've never ever seen something like this pop up for any other artist
Even the ones I follow
I'm still going to see it though. I need to know how good or bad it is.
I'm hoping it's going to be good but the amount of importance people are hanging onto it and everything I've seen from the reviews is making me think it's going to suck.
From erect to defect if that monster touched me
Turkey's getting fucking rowdy in Syria right now.
A japfag explaining the merits of the 2nd ammendment to a burger. How did we come to this?
poor primary education