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2018-01-27 02:16:30 UTC

I view Monarchy and Democracy as private property vs public property.

2018-01-27 02:16:36 UTC

Aydin brings up a central monarch, but I don't think she talked about barons or other lords

2018-01-27 02:18:13 UTC

so it could very well be that she's talking about just Monarchy. but even then that doesn't gel with the part in her vision where people exist in small communities of free people.

2018-01-27 02:18:24 UTC

that's not how that works

2018-01-27 02:19:21 UTC

There will ceartainly be people who'll be granted titles, but those can be taken away. And frankly the only thing in feudalism I don't like is the freedom of movement.

2018-01-27 02:23:11 UTC

and with the way the US economy works, primarily with an abnormally mobile workforce, you just couldn't get that sort of system to work without collapsing our whole economic system and starting over from a primarily agriculture-based economy

2018-01-27 02:24:14 UTC

>Implying if there were to be a new system the old one would stay as it is.

2018-01-27 02:25:24 UTC

well I don't think they consciously realize the radical change that would have to happen by the way they were talking about it.

2018-01-27 02:27:43 UTC

I think only the normies believe that it can be achieve without much trouble although it could be as they said "They are becoming further right wing"

2018-01-27 02:27:58 UTC

They are still new to this.

2018-01-27 02:29:40 UTC

Although @AydinPaladin I hope you stoped calling it Anarcho-monarchy. I swear to my finger.

2018-01-27 02:29:41 UTC

The path from normie, to actual thinking human is a long one, frought with peril and dead ends.

2018-01-27 02:30:15 UTC

Anarcho-Monarchy? fucking what?

2018-01-27 02:31:07 UTC

also, I didn't even realize she was in this discord. some mod I am

2018-01-27 02:31:41 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/406637359606661131/unnamed.png

2018-01-27 03:24:48 UTC

"Anarcho-Monarchy" Lol so just a normal monarchy?

2018-01-27 03:27:48 UTC

depending on your definition of what a "normal" monarchy is

2018-01-27 03:46:45 UTC

The best goverment ever.

2018-01-27 03:59:18 UTC

>Die of plauge
>Executed for 'witchcraft'
>Taxed to living in mud huts

2018-01-27 04:01:11 UTC

>Not knowing we are taxed more today.

2018-01-27 04:02:21 UTC

>Die bc an atom bomb.

2018-01-27 04:04:47 UTC

>Die in the name of "Freedom"

2018-01-27 04:05:01 UTC

>NSA watching you fap

2018-01-27 04:05:20 UTC

>Child drag queens

2018-01-27 04:05:44 UTC

>Wars are becoming more barbaric

2018-01-27 04:06:56 UTC

because Atom bombs would be so much better in the hands of a monarch, I'm sure.

2018-01-27 04:07:13 UTC

imagine Wilhelm II with an A-bomb

2018-01-27 04:07:25 UTC

Bc a monarch looking to get more land would destroy that same land

2018-01-27 04:07:43 UTC

Not really interested in a debate about it atm, but I am interested in by what measure we are considered taxed more.

2018-01-27 04:08:07 UTC

Willy sure tried his hardest to destroy a good part of French land he wanted to take

2018-01-27 04:08:21 UTC

Also, if before anyone tries bringing up prima noctis. That was a bigger myth than smallpox blankets.

2018-01-27 04:09:12 UTC

and he could have easily nuked London. capital of a nation he did not care for and who's supremacy on the waves threatened his dreams of Weltpolitik

2018-01-27 04:11:30 UTC

Is it a philosophical war in his mind or an actual territorial war?

2018-01-27 04:12:47 UTC

a war for the very existence of the Kaiserreich. to Wilhelm, Britain was almost as evil as France

2018-01-27 04:13:05 UTC

Mate there is your answer.

2018-01-27 04:13:48 UTC

and he had no interest in occupying the British Isles as far as I know. if he had the ability to crush them and remove them from the war, I do not believe he would have hesitated

2018-01-27 04:13:59 UTC

When the US got in WWI it became a war of ideology Republic vs Monarchy, when it started as a territorial war.

2018-01-27 04:14:37 UTC

of course the French and British were quick to reframe the public image along similar lines

2018-01-27 04:15:48 UTC

I will not say there have never been bad kings such as King Louis X but they are far better than Wodrow Wilson for example.

2018-01-27 04:18:01 UTC

we can trade good examples and bad as much as we want. one of the problems with American politics is that we've given the chief executive to much power. We've made his office more like that of a king's as time has gone on. the difference between a bad president and a bad king is that there are more people to get in the way of a bad president's decision.

2018-01-27 04:23:30 UTC

I disagree, given than a King had to beg money for his wars while a president doesn't; a King can be controlled if they are unruly, mad, or bloodthirsty more often than a president than names his delusions as "The will of the people"; Kings are able too do much more good given that it is in his benefit to increase the current wealth and future wealth of his state; A president only thinks of the now.

2018-01-27 04:25:30 UTC

keep in mind that it was not the republics that declared war first in WWI

2018-01-27 04:25:38 UTC

Of course

2018-01-27 04:25:44 UTC

it took the US until 1917 to join

2018-01-27 04:26:32 UTC

But it ceartainly took a bitter turn when it got in, especially when it came to Germany.

2018-01-27 04:34:18 UTC

of course it did. all that fresh material bolstering Germany's enemies. some 2 million fresh troops sent to the Western front. it's no wonder the civilian government and the military (the Kaiser himself having fled to neutral Holland) agreed to the armistice.

2018-01-27 04:36:28 UTC

I was talking about the treaty of versailles.

2018-01-27 04:38:38 UTC

oh, you mean WIlson's 14 points that the French pissed on?

2018-01-27 04:40:51 UTC

You know what I'm trying to get, don't be coy.

2018-01-27 04:41:39 UTC

what are you getting at?

2018-01-27 04:42:57 UTC

What happened after WWI

2018-01-27 04:44:58 UTC

Germany's economic collapse caused in large part by the reparations, a brief revolutionary period (not in that order), the dissarmament of germany, the eventual rise of the Nazis, what is your point?

2018-01-27 04:45:53 UTC

Had Germany stayed as it was before WWI had that happened?

2018-01-27 04:46:30 UTC

are you trying to suggest that they wouldn't be disarmed under the Kaiserreich?

2018-01-27 04:46:37 UTC

Had Monarchy stayed in power had that happend?

2018-01-27 04:47:07 UTC

yes. why wouldn't it have? at any rate, the Monarch himself decided to abdicate.

2018-01-27 04:47:38 UTC

U sure?

2018-01-27 04:50:00 UTC

they didn't have much choice in the matter. sure, they could have told the allied powers to fuck themselves and continue prosecuting the war, but with the introduction of America and the revolts they were already dealing with, they would have risked going down the same path as Russia.

2018-01-27 04:51:31 UTC

And then they became degenerates and then natsocs.

2018-01-27 04:53:18 UTC

well we really have to ask ourselves which is worse, a united German-Russian Communist bloc or what we ended up getting instead.

2018-01-27 04:53:51 UTC

Neither really are good.

2018-01-27 04:55:50 UTC

but at least the Soviets and the Nazis expended a ton of their energy kicking the shit out of each other instead of focusing their attention elsewhere.

2018-01-27 04:58:16 UTC

and let's not forget who funded Lenin's return to Russia from exile.

2018-01-27 04:58:36 UTC

Who?

2018-01-27 04:59:00 UTC

Germany

2018-01-27 05:00:13 UTC

A country is not a person my dude

2018-01-27 05:00:50 UTC

what good is a king if he does not take responsibility for his country's actions?

2018-01-27 05:01:35 UTC

No, I'm saying name the person.

2018-01-27 05:05:56 UTC

I just want to make sure you know.

2018-01-27 05:12:35 UTC

I can't seem to find a specific person in the history book I have to hand. the most I get is a vague referrence to "German authorities"

2018-01-27 05:13:28 UTC

Oh well.

2018-01-27 06:45:36 UTC

Apparently according to historian Richard Pipes, who sources official documentation, the German foreign secretary, Richard von Kühlmann was either the man who came up with the idea or at the very least signed off on it. Additionally, the Germans, according to Eduard Bernstein, continued to send gold to the Bolsheviks between 1917 and 1918. As much as 50million deutsche marks.

2018-01-27 08:02:47 UTC

I can't seem to find the number, but I'll take your word for it.

2018-01-28 20:29:43 UTC

meanwhile Turkey is still extorting money from the EU in return for not releasing some 3.5 million refugees into Europe

2018-01-28 21:49:16 UTC

oy vey

2018-01-28 22:21:24 UTC

Use Archive.is @Dinosorcerer

2018-01-28 22:22:01 UTC

Doesn't everyone use adblock anyhow?

2018-01-29 04:27:10 UTC

Don't give them clicks @Dinosorcerer

2018-01-29 21:49:10 UTC

We(Polish people) are very pissed of

2018-01-29 21:50:30 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/407653761734017026/image.png

2018-01-29 21:50:38 UTC

It is Missclick

2018-01-29 22:29:30 UTC

Umm.. what does that say?

2018-01-29 22:30:25 UTC

It was talk with Polish anarchomonarchist, but I sent it accidentally

2018-01-29 22:35:31 UTC

She told me How country steals money from people and how much

2018-01-29 22:35:57 UTC

Polish politics is a big mess to be honest

2018-01-29 22:37:07 UTC

But do you feel it's more stable than the rest of Europe? Do you see economic and social growth besides that?

2018-01-29 22:38:51 UTC

I think that Poland is quite stable

2018-01-29 22:40:31 UTC

Exception is Switzerland in Western Europe

2018-01-29 22:40:37 UTC

Also

2018-01-29 22:40:48 UTC

Spain is very unstable

2018-01-29 22:45:00 UTC

You think Switzerland is more stable? What do you think they're doing right? And what should Poland implement in your opinion?

2018-01-29 22:48:08 UTC

Change the health care system for example one person have wait for medical operation for 13 years

2018-01-29 22:48:37 UTC

13 years?! What?!

2018-01-29 22:48:49 UTC

Yes

2018-01-29 22:49:06 UTC

It’s record but it is real

2018-01-29 22:49:08 UTC

What type of operation?

2018-01-29 22:50:50 UTC

Denture in knee

2018-01-29 22:51:33 UTC

Endoprosthesis

2018-01-29 22:52:52 UTC

It is caused by limits in national health fund

2018-01-29 22:52:57 UTC

What does someone do in the meantime to manage while they wait for their operation?

2018-01-29 22:53:21 UTC

They have to wait or go to do it private

2018-01-29 22:54:03 UTC

So they walk with crutches or limping for all those years until the operation?

2018-01-29 22:54:47 UTC

Indeed

2018-01-29 22:55:43 UTC

How would you fix that problem of the national health fund?

2018-01-29 22:59:06 UTC

Make it private Health insurance costs stars from 60 PLN, it is about 15$

2018-01-29 22:59:14 UTC

This is the easiest way

2018-01-29 22:59:53 UTC

But the E.U gets in the way...

2018-01-29 23:00:44 UTC

Yes

2018-01-29 23:01:28 UTC

It wants to control everything and for example made special instructions how to use toilet xD

2018-01-29 23:02:06 UTC

They listed snail as fish

2018-01-29 23:03:02 UTC

They also defined curvature of banana

2018-01-29 23:06:23 UTC

What the fuck

2018-01-29 23:06:35 UTC

Yes this European Union

2018-01-29 23:06:37 UTC

I knew they went mental with regulations

2018-01-29 23:06:42 UTC

But holy shit

2018-01-29 23:07:44 UTC

To give donations for making in Portugal jam from carrots, they listed carrots as fruits

2018-01-29 23:08:57 UTC

There is plenty of senseless regulations

2018-01-29 23:09:57 UTC

If I tried to list all of them, it could take me a lot of time

2018-01-29 23:10:30 UTC

I remeber people talking about a bunch of them during the whole brexit thing

2018-01-29 23:11:55 UTC

Are most Polish people wanting to get out of E.U or they're still not ready?

2018-01-29 23:12:17 UTC

Most of us don’t want it

2018-01-29 23:13:29 UTC

But there are people who want to erase all stupid laws and make EU only organisation which makes trade easier between countries

2018-01-29 23:14:12 UTC

Without stupidity

2018-01-29 23:14:28 UTC

And why don't they?

2018-01-29 23:14:46 UTC

Want to leave

2018-01-29 23:15:33 UTC

They think that it can cause badly for Polish economy

2018-01-30 02:26:52 UTC

I just watched the video up to 20 min @Dinosorcerer . @AydinPaladin did nothing wrong.

2018-01-30 02:30:57 UTC

pffft. ok, buddy

2018-01-30 02:39:06 UTC

And I'm right.

2018-01-30 02:46:49 UTC

are you tho?

2018-01-30 02:47:40 UTC

seriously, I want to know what she said that made you think "this is a good idea"

2018-01-30 05:00:36 UTC

Because is true

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/407761998407925760/images_4.jpg

2018-01-30 06:52:10 UTC

k den

2018-01-31 02:02:18 UTC

Who's watching the SOTU?

2018-01-31 02:54:57 UTC

preston mvp

2018-01-31 03:47:22 UTC

@Dinosorcerer don't aruge with metizos

2018-01-31 03:50:13 UTC

Would making IQ requirement for immigration be a good start for creating an Ethno state?

2018-01-31 03:51:08 UTC

Some sort of intelligence requirement maybe, but IQ tests aren't the be all end all measurement of intelligence, or human potential for that matter.

2018-01-31 03:51:48 UTC

@MerricBrady who are you talking about?

2018-01-31 03:53:02 UTC

Maybe IQ, values, and charisma might be the key?

2018-01-31 03:55:30 UTC

I know about the IQ stuff, but since most non whites have an IQ under 95 that should limit a shit ton that could prevent a bunch of darkies from coming here and even most of the illegals couldn't stay

2018-01-31 03:56:22 UTC

Values I would argue can be lied about

2018-01-31 03:57:06 UTC

Granted I do think that is important

2018-01-31 03:57:09 UTC

Well that would be fraud, and grounds for revokation of citizenship.

2018-01-31 03:58:45 UTC

^

2018-01-31 03:58:55 UTC

Obviously people already citizens can stay and won't be deported

2018-01-31 03:59:40 UTC

Some need their citizenship revoked

2018-01-31 03:59:48 UTC

I don't even think it's constitutional to do that nor would anyone even consider voting for that

2018-01-31 04:00:12 UTC

@Whiskey-Vargas agreed but no one will ever go for that

2018-01-31 04:00:29 UTC

Unfortunately.

2018-01-31 04:00:37 UTC

Yeah, but I feel similarly about the IQ thing.

2018-01-31 04:01:15 UTC

If it's even proposed they'll trot out the immigrant family with a downs kid holding an American flag.

2018-01-31 04:01:36 UTC

Lol classic.

2018-01-31 04:01:41 UTC

But America doesn't import potatoes.

2018-01-31 04:01:44 UTC

We export them.

2018-01-31 04:01:45 UTC

Lol probably

2018-01-31 04:03:18 UTC

Merric, Trump's speech today would've been a good opportunity to talk to your wife about your views.

2018-01-31 04:04:03 UTC

My thinking is even if it doesn't work it will force conversations to be had that normally wouldn't have happen

2018-01-31 04:05:40 UTC

Plus even with basic bitch normie con arguments would have a lot of logic to them

2018-01-31 04:39:21 UTC

@Whiskey-Vargas yeah her and I didn't even know it was today

2018-02-02 15:05:08 UTC

Meanwhile this fucking piece of shit

2018-02-02 16:48:23 UTC

Trump clears Memo to be released unredacted

2018-02-02 16:48:30 UTC

At noon apparently

2018-02-02 16:57:14 UTC

Fuck that little cunt that's creating all the hype and won't press send.

2018-02-02 16:58:44 UTC

I mean it can't be released until noon, some DC protocol bullshit

2018-02-02 17:00:19 UTC

Lame!

2018-02-02 17:01:21 UTC

I'm more curious then anything

2018-02-02 17:01:30 UTC

I'm trying not to buy the hype

2018-02-02 17:01:47 UTC

But the lefties wouldn't be crying so hard about it if there wasn't shit in it

2018-02-02 17:02:23 UTC

I mean they're whining about "national security" the party of unsecured lost emails

2018-02-02 17:03:09 UTC

Try and keep the tweets in <#392499032414486529>

2018-02-02 17:03:14 UTC

It's not a big deal tho

2018-02-04 02:15:52 UTC

In political form that is.

2018-02-06 14:53:41 UTC

so now there's literal Turkish propaganda on Youtube

2018-02-06 14:54:05 UTC

I got this as a pre-roll ad

2018-02-07 18:12:45 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/410860451941842978/d5e_1.jpg

2018-02-07 19:16:06 UTC

The thing I hate the most is that nothing w8ll ever come of this

2018-02-07 19:16:27 UTC

Even if Obama sat in front of a camera and admitted it

2018-02-07 19:16:31 UTC

Nothing would happen

2018-02-07 19:17:05 UTC

At least the public knows and opinions will hopefully continue to sway our way

2018-02-07 19:25:04 UTC

Does anyone know the full 411 on the Military Parade that has people upset? I know some details but I don't have the full context.

2018-02-07 19:35:42 UTC

Not sure

2018-02-07 19:36:01 UTC

If I had to guess they're just mad because evil military

2018-02-07 19:37:07 UTC

Because this talk of having a military parade is buttering my roll.

2018-02-07 20:38:46 UTC

I want one

2018-02-07 21:28:35 UTC

@Whiskey-Vargas you thirsty?

2018-02-07 21:44:52 UTC

No, I have my water bottle half full. Why?

2018-02-07 21:47:14 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/410914431028166656/unknown.png

2018-02-07 21:49:05 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/410914894917926923/FB_IMG_1518039677305.jpg

2018-02-07 21:49:14 UTC

Disscuss

2018-02-08 00:57:00 UTC

If Wakanda was in Europe and not Africa, the character and his story would be called Nazi propaganda.

2018-02-08 01:03:33 UTC

True

2018-02-08 01:04:09 UTC

Also I'm not sure if that qualifies him as Alt-right, but definitely a Paleocon

2018-02-08 04:23:04 UTC

he's an ethno-nationalist in a very 19th-century sense

2018-02-08 04:23:59 UTC

he seems to want reform, but wants to protect his culture and people as well.

2018-02-08 04:24:29 UTC

Do you think he'd grant Wakandan citizenship to white people?

2018-02-08 04:26:11 UTC

that's a good question. I'm not terribly familiar with T'Challa's character, and obviously his character has changed over the years, but I think he would see it as too great a risk, and not without reason considering Wakanda's position.

2018-02-08 04:27:18 UTC

Agreed, but in my mind that's enough to easily label him a filthy alt-right ethno-statist in my mind.

2018-02-08 04:30:16 UTC

although he did date a white girl at at least one point in time

2018-02-08 04:31:02 UTC

But he married Storm, and they're childhood friends by some contrivance.

2018-02-08 04:31:33 UTC

Really bad writing from what I remember.

2018-02-08 04:55:23 UTC

So the Black Panther is Alt-right confirmed

2018-02-08 04:55:44 UTC

@Orwell & Goode you should write an article about this

2018-02-08 04:55:59 UTC

somewhat. he's not a modern-style ethnonationalist per se

2018-02-08 04:56:54 UTC

He's also a monarchist. Or should be. Knowing Marvel they've probably declared that Wakanda elects their king somehow.

2018-02-08 04:57:04 UTC

I wonder what the average IQ of Wakanda is

2018-02-08 04:57:39 UTC

Lower than you'd think due to extensive exposure to vibranium in the drinking water.

2018-02-08 04:57:42 UTC

as far as I know, it's still passed down by blood. although the crown prince has to beat the current king in a trial by combat

2018-02-08 04:58:07 UTC

in order to get the mantle of The Black Panther at least

2018-02-08 04:58:23 UTC

Which is offest by the fact they have a crap ton of vibranium.

2018-02-08 04:58:52 UTC

The cure for vibranium poisoning is to inject yourself with even more vabranium.

2018-02-08 05:00:45 UTC

Even the water is trying to kill you in Africa.

2018-02-08 05:00:47 UTC

Well is it possible that the average person of Wakanda is probably a little smarter than the average American black, but the nobles and royal of the country are just brilliant people

2018-02-08 05:02:12 UTC

Lol

2018-02-08 05:07:09 UTC

cocoa puffs are my favorite cereal

2018-02-08 05:07:22 UTC

lmao

2018-02-09 18:32:36 UTC

Yum

2018-02-09 19:24:12 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/411603208960737280/Screenshot_20180208-230320.jpg

2018-02-09 19:24:16 UTC

Look at thus shit

2018-02-09 19:24:53 UTC

Not only have I not listened to Kendrick Lamar in like 3 years I've never ever seen something like this pop up for any other artist

2018-02-09 19:24:58 UTC

Even the ones I follow

2018-02-09 19:56:47 UTC

I'm still going to see it though. I need to know how good or bad it is.

2018-02-09 19:58:59 UTC

I'm hoping it's going to be good but the amount of importance people are hanging onto it and everything I've seen from the reviews is making me think it's going to suck.

2018-02-09 20:15:40 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/411616161763950604/Screenshot_20180209-110522.png

2018-02-11 06:17:10 UTC

Geeze

2018-02-11 06:17:30 UTC

From erect to defect if that monster touched me

2018-02-13 06:43:21 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/412861285865095168/DV29zc0V4AAVk8x.jpeg

2018-02-14 01:59:57 UTC

Turkey's getting fucking rowdy in Syria right now.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/413152355769384960/IMG_20180213_161349.jpg

2018-02-15 04:45:16 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/413556347381088257/DVAbLtrV4AED_Dd.jpeg

2018-02-15 16:38:57 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392485988024320001/413735948812156939/DWD5VpXVoAAvFu0.jpeg

2018-02-15 16:55:14 UTC

A japfag explaining the merits of the 2nd ammendment to a burger. How did we come to this?

2018-02-15 16:56:04 UTC

poor primary education

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