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The worst part is, not only are the usual suspects going to draw dashcon, etc parallels. But this disaster is going to be touted as proof of the left's superiority (they can organize) and that our ideas about freedom of speech are impossible to put into practice.
Yup, and it's true, the left is better at organizing. We need to step up our game.
The only thing the right can organize that is large-scale is some cringey Turning Point USA conference where it's a bunch of bowties complaining about the capital gains tax.
I've seen how that works, even on a small scale. People not being able to check their ego is a big part of the problem. That and being stupid teenagers sometimes.
Maybe reaching out to small businesses can help?
My fam runs 2 small businesses. Someone ask me for help.
Unfortunatly, we can't mirror the left's organizational form for many reasons. Not the least of which is use of the progressive stack, and individualism being super important.
Not saying it's gonna be easy, and you're right.
When I went to union meetings there are actually seperate organizations that do nothing but organize. Basically, it's this big pre internet social network.
I think the right is getting much better at organizing online, but some IRL stuff is important too.
This sounds like an under dog story.
Lets say you have a hundered scojus groups in an area with 4-50 active members each. Every time any group has a beef they call into this central group, and that group calls all one hundred of those affiliated groups.
Yeah, I like the idea of small groups.
Right Wing Dog Squads, so to speak
Now not every group is going to have someone show for an event, but if only a third of fifty groups can send out one to three people on a given say that is still in excess of 50 people. Enough to be intimidating.
But the thing is most those people don't really know or care about what is going on. They just want to "fight the man"
That model "works" but it is also ultimately exploitative because it uses people for political points and then discards them when they aren't of use anymore. I know this because it is what happened to me.
Also because of the progressive stack the collective cares more about small victories for a few of the group members (say, transgender bathrooms) than big wins for big groups (say large wage and benefit increases for a large unionized workplace).
This sounds like a full time thing. How are you going to motivate people to do this?
I'm just talking about a funcional leftist organizational model and it's flaws. Also the reasons why a more right leaning group can't use it.
This is something we shouldn't/can't do on the path to greater organization. but there may be some tidbits worth cribbing here and there.
I'm old enough to understand that I am no leader and that people don't generally listen to me.
You could hypothetically support in other ways if you're not leadership inclined, don't you think? (money, technical assistance, etc.)
Well, Grumplebee sure understands what's needed though.
I think if there is one thing we need above all else it is ego checking.
None of this would have happened if someone wasn't needless paranoid about NDAs and non compete clauses.
People are just waiting for an event to go to without willing to help out in the organization. Like you said, ego checking.
One of the first obstacles to pass for this kind of thing is not having someone nominally on your side decide they can get a few credibility points by kicking your legs out from under you.
That's the problem with the more Randian side of the right. They expect all of us to be Howard Roark at the same time. So they think it's always justified to tear someone down if they aren't being "real" rnough.
But you're always going to need people to scrub the toilet. Metaphorically speaking.
Yes, definitely some big egos in the movement, but I think a lot of people are realizing that something is really f*cked up what's going on in the world, and they need a sort of lighthouse. I feel this way.
I feel that way as well.
Can't fight a culture war without events. Charlottesville got a lot of attention from normies but not ideal at all.
Yeah, Charlottesville and what the media did to the Tea Party are good things to look at in terms of what not to do and how to anticipate you will be depicted. They'll even go as far as to plant people to make you look bad. An activity we should focus heavily on.
As in we should be doing it to them. All the time.
Heck, considering the proclivities of people on our side it will probably be easier to get them to do stuff like that than real organization.
Like that guy in the last election who claimed to be in the KKK and that they had donated $10,000 anonymously to Hillary. We need a lot more of that going on.
Just like how we need to emphasize that you can't be a national socialist with SOCIALIST.
And that's how we should always present it because it is something the left proudly owns.
I think the Battles of Berkeley were good optics for us.
I'm talking I want that (((SOCIALIST))) so yuge you can't even hear that national part anymore.
Nazis? Fascists? What are you talking about? I don't see any (((SOCIALISTS))) here.
Oh yeah much better optics.
The organizers of UTR really messed up with optics having the NSM show up in my opinion.
Also at this years npi Eli, Enoch, and spencer agreed the alt right needs to start pushing a anti capitalist message. Watch the footage from the the build Kate's wall heimbach is the most cringeworthy
They think it will bring in leftist
We need to be anti corporatist
It's not hard. The corporatists are in one of the most degenerate of relationships.
The Republican party are assfucking us that it's easy for the democrats to pick up a win
Pretty much everyone is a fucking idiot
They're going through a transformation.
But trump is doing some interesting maneuvering that have the dems in a hard spot
Chill Trump has 35 percent approval rating
Which means that dems take Congress and we get no immigration bill that we want
The Dems have even lower approval
Trumps approval rating doesn’t have a correlation to the republican party
Obama had an amazing approval rating and he lost both the house and the senate under his duration
It was around 45 wasn't it
That's not amazing
Depends on when
Also we need republicans with Trumps message to come in not the cucks
We need trump to be smarter too
And not attack his allies
So long as they are actually his allies
I think it’s more important trump support the party than the party support trump
Trump has been doing a fantastic job on the political side of things but he doesn’t create the laws
All the complaints on trump aren't really trump himself
On the flip side, the republican party has needed change for a long time.
It's more policy or cabnet or party
I know I didn't vote for trump just to tow the republican party line
Would you guys vote for a democratic party if it was "racist" or patriotic?
If it was actually patriotic and not just looking to make American-flavored socialism
Names are ultimately irrelevant.
Wat do you mean by "socialism"? Surely free health care or something in that direction isn't terrible
No healthcare is free.
Someone has to pay for it somewhere down the line
I wanna pay for my healthcare
Because I want to be responsible for myself
No one else should be responsible for me
Two Hillary voters and Trump haters. Both alike in dignity. One speaks on about the glories of the hegemonic globalized future. The other laments the evils of globalization and capitalism. Both have internet eccentric jobs that pay six figures or near it. So as far as I am concerned they are both bourgeoisie degenerates. But the question is, how long before they realize they're politically opposed and rip each other's throats out?
Good morning from France the land of cucks !
So when are you guys going to use that guillotine thing again?
Mmmm why not for islamist terrorist
Where do you come from ?
Trump just got our new tax plan put through the senate
Ok I love america, I dream having Trump for president
Charlottesville motivated the left quite lot. I do not know how it could be seen as anything short of a disaster for the right.
Yeah. Charlottesville was pretty dumb.
A white nationalist drove into a crowd of people.
Even before that happened, it was dumb though
The line of people with torches, that was very much like those early Nazi marches?
Yeah. That was retarded
Not a good look
I forget, what was the cop situation on charlottesville
Thepolice fucked it up too. Made no effort to separate the unite the right people and antifa
I was there, a lot of you talk out of your ass about it.
>Not the Jesuits kys
I would but my schedule's a bit full
I was talking about the happy elephant.
Ah, but my point still stands
I should watch your video, btw.
If you want brain AIDS
Well I didn't know you lived in Silicon Valley :^)
You caught me
New Myth of the 20th century just dropped. Most underrated YouTube channel imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELJuTpyNoyw
So there’s another political thread I frequent where I’m the only conservative voice
And I get shouted down for being an idiotic bigot
And someone just posted something like
‘Why can’t we ever have meaningful political conversations in here?’
If everyone's thinking the same thing, the somebody isn't thinking.
this was at my uni
fuck this gay shit
Put up a chromosomal chart of possible genders next to it
Listening to Crowder's livestream
Fun fact: he voiced the Brain in season 6 of *Arthur*
Why does Based Stickman keep getting arrested? How hard is it to not get arrested. Damn man.
He's a bit of an attention whore
Seems to be a lot of that in our sphere lately.
Undercover footage from deep inside a communist country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FZ0w_imR-k
Maybe I'm old
But back in my day
Kids weren't FUCKING AT AGE FIFTEEN
All the horny boys would merely fap
Same with me in the 90s... there wasn't that much hanky-panky and I was degenerate AF
This isn't my tweet, and is politics
Why do we keep throwing money at countries?
Pakistan especially after the whole Osama bin Laden thing
To keep them from saying mean things about us or to shut them up
Surely our military presence alone would accomplish as much
But we hate it when we send our military into these places
We're already there
as much as it would have been good payback its good they stopped it
Sounds like everyone else in the cell was a fed. The time when "everyone is a fed except me" meme would've been accurate. Good job, FBI!
Payback to who, for what?
PolitiScales I believe it was called
I can link it again
I took that one political thing
Also scored pragmatic
Link to the quiz?
These are mine
Do you have a basset hound?
I sure wish I did.
Oh wow, interesting results you got
You a trap. Lol
I'm mainly right centrist
You scored your highest on nationalist though.
I did on isidewith as well
my I sidewith
B R O W N
Xth Crusade Now
I have some leeway with my left-right axis because of classical fascism being so inoffensive
do you like my pin anemic
good pin fam
Idk what's your Twitter?
Ugh. I'm arguing with a social democrat. It's one of those hawkish ones too.
Good luck trying to help them. It's tough.
I'm just trolling him now
Hawkish social democrat? Who's he suggesting we wage war on?
Russia, Iran, Syria, the usual suspects
>waging war with Russia
Over fucking what, my nigga?
Because Putin is doesn't like gay people or something
If we waged war with every country that didn't like the gays, Africa and Asia would be smoldering craters
He took one of the few redeeming qualities of the left and threw it out the window
yeah, but would that really be all that bad?
Russians are awesome
ok, leave asia then
The problem is that we'd be absolutely ragged even if we won
We should not have to be, neither can we afford to be the globe's moral policeman
And they're one of the few white somewhat Western Christian nations that's moving more towards capitalism
Give Russia a decade or two, and I think they'll be fine
Especially under Putin/his successors he has lined up
The problem is that political commentators in the west judge Putin by western standards.
You can't run Russia like a westerner, you'd get steamrolled. Quite frankly, we're lucky to have someone as level-headed, yet strong as Putin in the Kremlin.
Looking at you, France. For shame
That's what I'm saying. Russia is either ruled by drunks, butchers, or effective autocrats.
True as fuck
I'm outta comebacks for this pro-palestine person
Ew. Begone ziocuck
@Nottheonlymoron Palestine is only still a thing because of the pity of Israel, at any time they could bomb it to dust and rubble, full coverage.
Israel won a ton of land and then gave most of it back, what's their fucking beef?
By right of conquest alone, Israel should have control of the land between the Jordan and the Nile
Land from which Hamas then launched rockets at Israeli civillians.
Israel pushes globalism on Western countries and drags us into wars
Those dirty Jews are allied with the globalists?
Don't Israel fucking hate Soros?
Just look at the crap pro Israel lobbies push