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2017-12-19 20:31:08 UTC

The worst part is, not only are the usual suspects going to draw dashcon, etc parallels. But this disaster is going to be touted as proof of the left's superiority (they can organize) and that our ideas about freedom of speech are impossible to put into practice.

2017-12-19 20:31:44 UTC

Yup, and it's true, the left is better at organizing. We need to step up our game.

2017-12-19 20:32:40 UTC

The only thing the right can organize that is large-scale is some cringey Turning Point USA conference where it's a bunch of bowties complaining about the capital gains tax.

2017-12-19 20:32:51 UTC

I've seen how that works, even on a small scale. People not being able to check their ego is a big part of the problem. That and being stupid teenagers sometimes.

2017-12-19 20:33:18 UTC

Maybe reaching out to small businesses can help?

2017-12-19 20:33:48 UTC

My fam runs 2 small businesses. Someone ask me for help.

2017-12-19 20:34:10 UTC

Unfortunatly, we can't mirror the left's organizational form for many reasons. Not the least of which is use of the progressive stack, and individualism being super important.

2017-12-19 20:34:32 UTC

Not saying it's gonna be easy, and you're right.

2017-12-19 20:34:47 UTC

When I went to union meetings there are actually seperate organizations that do nothing but organize. Basically, it's this big pre internet social network.

2017-12-19 20:35:20 UTC

I think the right is getting much better at organizing online, but some IRL stuff is important too.

2017-12-19 20:36:09 UTC

This sounds like an under dog story.

2017-12-19 20:36:31 UTC

Lets say you have a hundered scojus groups in an area with 4-50 active members each. Every time any group has a beef they call into this central group, and that group calls all one hundred of those affiliated groups.

2017-12-19 20:37:01 UTC

Yeah, I like the idea of small groups.

2017-12-19 20:37:16 UTC

Right Wing Dog Squads, so to speak

2017-12-19 20:37:38 UTC

Now not every group is going to have someone show for an event, but if only a third of fifty groups can send out one to three people on a given say that is still in excess of 50 people. Enough to be intimidating.

2017-12-19 20:38:07 UTC

But the thing is most those people don't really know or care about what is going on. They just want to "fight the man"

2017-12-19 20:39:20 UTC

That model "works" but it is also ultimately exploitative because it uses people for political points and then discards them when they aren't of use anymore. I know this because it is what happened to me.

2017-12-19 20:41:27 UTC

Also because of the progressive stack the collective cares more about small victories for a few of the group members (say, transgender bathrooms) than big wins for big groups (say large wage and benefit increases for a large unionized workplace).

2017-12-19 20:41:59 UTC

This sounds like a full time thing. How are you going to motivate people to do this?

2017-12-19 20:42:12 UTC

I'm not.

2017-12-19 20:42:48 UTC

I'm just talking about a funcional leftist organizational model and it's flaws. Also the reasons why a more right leaning group can't use it.

2017-12-19 20:43:28 UTC

This is something we shouldn't/can't do on the path to greater organization. but there may be some tidbits worth cribbing here and there.

2017-12-19 20:43:55 UTC

I'm old enough to understand that I am no leader and that people don't generally listen to me.

2017-12-19 20:44:44 UTC

You could hypothetically support in other ways if you're not leadership inclined, don't you think? (money, technical assistance, etc.)

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2017-12-19 20:45:38 UTC

Well, Grumplebee sure understands what's needed though.

2017-12-19 20:46:17 UTC

I think if there is one thing we need above all else it is ego checking.

2017-12-19 20:46:49 UTC

None of this would have happened if someone wasn't needless paranoid about NDAs and non compete clauses.

2017-12-19 20:47:02 UTC

People are just waiting for an event to go to without willing to help out in the organization. Like you said, ego checking.

2017-12-19 20:48:14 UTC

One of the first obstacles to pass for this kind of thing is not having someone nominally on your side decide they can get a few credibility points by kicking your legs out from under you.

2017-12-19 20:50:09 UTC

That's the problem with the more Randian side of the right. They expect all of us to be Howard Roark at the same time. So they think it's always justified to tear someone down if they aren't being "real" rnough.

2017-12-19 20:50:56 UTC

But you're always going to need people to scrub the toilet. Metaphorically speaking.

2017-12-19 20:51:17 UTC

Yes, definitely some big egos in the movement, but I think a lot of people are realizing that something is really f*cked up what's going on in the world, and they need a sort of lighthouse. I feel this way.

2017-12-19 20:51:38 UTC

I feel that way as well.

2017-12-19 20:56:30 UTC

Can't fight a culture war without events. Charlottesville got a lot of attention from normies but not ideal at all.

2017-12-19 20:57:47 UTC

Yeah, Charlottesville and what the media did to the Tea Party are good things to look at in terms of what not to do and how to anticipate you will be depicted. They'll even go as far as to plant people to make you look bad. An activity we should focus heavily on.

2017-12-19 20:58:06 UTC

As in we should be doing it to them. All the time.

2017-12-19 20:58:43 UTC

Heck, considering the proclivities of people on our side it will probably be easier to get them to do stuff like that than real organization.

2017-12-19 20:59:23 UTC

Like that guy in the last election who claimed to be in the KKK and that they had donated $10,000 anonymously to Hillary. We need a lot more of that going on.

2017-12-19 21:00:05 UTC

Just like how we need to emphasize that you can't be a national socialist with SOCIALIST.

2017-12-19 21:00:39 UTC

And that's how we should always present it because it is something the left proudly owns.

2017-12-19 21:01:10 UTC

I think the Battles of Berkeley were good optics for us.

2017-12-19 21:01:34 UTC

I'm talking I want that (((SOCIALIST))) so yuge you can't even hear that national part anymore.

2017-12-19 21:02:06 UTC

Nazis? Fascists? What are you talking about? I don't see any (((SOCIALISTS))) here.

2017-12-19 21:02:33 UTC

Lol genius.

2017-12-19 21:02:46 UTC

Oh yeah much better optics.

2017-12-19 23:13:28 UTC

The organizers of UTR really messed up with optics having the NSM show up in my opinion.

2017-12-20 01:07:59 UTC

Also at this years npi Eli, Enoch, and spencer agreed the alt right needs to start pushing a anti capitalist message. Watch the footage from the the build Kate's wall heimbach is the most cringeworthy

2017-12-20 01:08:15 UTC

They think it will bring in leftist

2017-12-20 03:27:27 UTC

We need to be anti corporatist

2017-12-20 03:28:23 UTC

It's not hard. The corporatists are in one of the most degenerate of relationships.

2017-12-20 03:30:40 UTC

The Republican party are assfucking us that it's easy for the democrats to pick up a win

2017-12-20 03:31:57 UTC

Pretty much everyone is a fucking idiot

2017-12-20 03:32:11 UTC

They're going through a transformation.

2017-12-20 03:32:11 UTC

But trump is doing some interesting maneuvering that have the dems in a hard spot

2017-12-20 03:32:41 UTC

Chill Trump has 35 percent approval rating

2017-12-20 03:32:56 UTC

Which means?

2017-12-20 03:34:43 UTC

Which means that dems take Congress and we get no immigration bill that we want

2017-12-20 03:35:06 UTC

The Dems have even lower approval

2017-12-20 03:35:20 UTC

Trumps approval rating doesn’t have a correlation to the republican party

2017-12-20 03:35:43 UTC

Obama had an amazing approval rating and he lost both the house and the senate under his duration

2017-12-20 03:36:55 UTC

It was around 45 wasn't it

2017-12-20 03:37:01 UTC

That's not amazing

2017-12-20 03:38:19 UTC

Depends on when

2017-12-20 03:41:15 UTC

Also we need republicans with Trumps message to come in not the cucks

2017-12-20 03:41:45 UTC

We need trump to be smarter too

2017-12-20 03:41:53 UTC

And not attack his allies

2017-12-20 03:43:56 UTC

So long as they are actually his allies

2017-12-20 03:45:06 UTC

I think it’s more important trump support the party than the party support trump

2017-12-20 03:45:22 UTC

Trump has been doing a fantastic job on the political side of things but he doesn’t create the laws

2017-12-20 03:46:23 UTC

All the complaints on trump aren't really trump himself

2017-12-20 03:46:31 UTC

On the flip side, the republican party has needed change for a long time.

2017-12-20 03:46:43 UTC

It's more policy or cabnet or party

2017-12-20 03:47:33 UTC

I know I didn't vote for trump just to tow the republican party line

2017-12-20 03:49:19 UTC

Would you guys vote for a democratic party if it was "racist" or patriotic?

2017-12-20 03:50:21 UTC

If it was actually patriotic and not just looking to make American-flavored socialism

2017-12-20 03:50:41 UTC

Names are ultimately irrelevant.

2017-12-20 03:51:32 UTC

Wat do you mean by "socialism"? Surely free health care or something in that direction isn't terrible

2017-12-20 03:51:52 UTC

No healthcare is free.

2017-12-20 03:55:54 UTC

Someone has to pay for it somewhere down the line

2017-12-20 03:55:54 UTC

I wanna pay for my healthcare

2017-12-20 03:56:04 UTC

Because I want to be responsible for myself

2017-12-20 03:56:14 UTC

No one else should be responsible for me

2017-12-20 04:18:54 UTC

Two Hillary voters and Trump haters. Both alike in dignity. One speaks on about the glories of the hegemonic globalized future. The other laments the evils of globalization and capitalism. Both have internet eccentric jobs that pay six figures or near it. So as far as I am concerned they are both bourgeoisie degenerates. But the question is, how long before they realize they're politically opposed and rip each other's throats out?

2017-12-20 09:13:12 UTC

Good morning from France the land of cucks !

2017-12-20 12:23:16 UTC

So when are you guys going to use that guillotine thing again?

2017-12-20 12:32:08 UTC

Mmmm why not for islamist terrorist

2017-12-20 12:32:35 UTC

Where do you come from ?

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2017-12-20 12:37:10 UTC

Trump just got our new tax plan put through the senate

2017-12-20 12:39:03 UTC

Ok I love america, I dream having Trump for president

2017-12-20 12:44:33 UTC

Charlottesville motivated the left quite lot. I do not know how it could be seen as anything short of a disaster for the right.

2017-12-20 13:15:59 UTC

Yeah. Charlottesville was pretty dumb.

2017-12-20 13:30:23 UTC

A white nationalist drove into a crowd of people.

2017-12-20 13:50:41 UTC

Even before that happened, it was dumb though

2017-12-20 13:51:34 UTC

The line of people with torches, that was very much like those early Nazi marches?

2017-12-20 13:53:03 UTC

Yeah. That was retarded

2017-12-20 13:53:12 UTC

Not a good look

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2017-12-20 14:23:52 UTC

Well also

2017-12-20 14:24:13 UTC

I forget, what was the cop situation on charlottesville

2017-12-20 14:25:24 UTC

@Dinosorcerer Don't want people to KNOW they're Nazis.

2017-12-20 14:26:18 UTC

Thepolice fucked it up too. Made no effort to separate the unite the right people and antifa

2017-12-20 14:30:20 UTC

I was there, a lot of you talk out of your ass about it.

2017-12-20 15:04:05 UTC

What happened?

2017-12-20 20:46:33 UTC

Shameless shilling https://youtu.be/tudlWX62THI

2017-12-20 20:51:16 UTC

>Not the Jesuits kys

2017-12-20 20:51:49 UTC

I would but my schedule's a bit full

2017-12-20 20:55:10 UTC

I was talking about the happy elephant.

2017-12-20 20:56:23 UTC

Ah, but my point still stands

2017-12-20 20:58:25 UTC

I should watch your video, btw.

2017-12-20 20:58:40 UTC

If you want brain AIDS

2017-12-20 20:59:18 UTC

Well I didn't know you lived in Silicon Valley :^)

2017-12-20 20:59:51 UTC

You caught me

2017-12-20 21:05:35 UTC

I did

2017-12-20 22:31:35 UTC

New Myth of the 20th century just dropped. Most underrated YouTube channel imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELJuTpyNoyw

2017-12-20 22:45:54 UTC

So there’s another political thread I frequent where I’m the only conservative voice

2017-12-20 22:46:02 UTC

And I get shouted down for being an idiotic bigot

2017-12-20 22:46:11 UTC

And someone just posted something like

2017-12-20 22:46:30 UTC

β€˜Why can’t we ever have meaningful political conversations in here?’

2017-12-20 22:46:35 UTC


2017-12-20 22:47:00 UTC

If everyone's thinking the same thing, the somebody isn't thinking.

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2017-12-21 15:04:43 UTC

this was at my uni

2017-12-21 15:04:51 UTC

fuck this gay shit

2017-12-21 15:48:46 UTC

Put up a chromosomal chart of possible genders next to it

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2017-12-21 17:16:53 UTC

Listening to Crowder's livestream

2017-12-21 17:17:07 UTC

Fun fact: he voiced the Brain in season 6 of *Arthur*

2017-12-21 17:42:11 UTC

Why does Based Stickman keep getting arrested? How hard is it to not get arrested. Damn man.


2017-12-21 17:42:44 UTC

He's a bit of an attention whore

2017-12-21 17:43:11 UTC

Seems to be a lot of that in our sphere lately.

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2017-12-21 20:33:30 UTC

Undercover footage from deep inside a communist country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FZ0w_imR-k

2017-12-21 20:45:12 UTC

Maybe I'm old

2017-12-21 20:45:22 UTC

But back in my day

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2017-12-21 20:45:50 UTC

All the horny boys would merely fap

2017-12-21 20:46:38 UTC

Same with me in the 90s... there wasn't that much hanky-panky and I was degenerate AF

2017-12-21 20:59:22 UTC

This isn't my tweet, and is politics

2017-12-21 21:01:51 UTC

Why do we keep throwing money at countries?

2017-12-21 21:03:01 UTC

Pakistan especially after the whole Osama bin Laden thing

2017-12-22 01:26:04 UTC

To keep them from saying mean things about us or to shut them up

2017-12-22 01:28:57 UTC

Surely our military presence alone would accomplish as much

2017-12-22 03:26:12 UTC


2017-12-22 03:26:23 UTC

(Off gab)

2017-12-22 15:48:40 UTC

But we hate it when we send our military into these places

2017-12-22 16:04:17 UTC

We're already there

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2017-12-23 03:43:47 UTC

as much as it would have been good payback its good they stopped it

2017-12-23 03:44:59 UTC

Sounds like everyone else in the cell was a fed. The time when "everyone is a fed except me" meme would've been accurate. Good job, FBI!

2017-12-23 04:36:13 UTC

Good payback?

2017-12-23 04:36:49 UTC

Payback to who, for what?

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2017-12-24 23:26:19 UTC

@Constantine I got Work Fatherland Liberty

2017-12-25 00:17:18 UTC

@TheGrandAdmiral what test is that

2017-12-25 00:21:55 UTC

PolitiScales I believe it was called

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I can link it again

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2017-12-26 04:25:50 UTC

I took that one political thing

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2017-12-26 04:26:32 UTC

Also scored pragmatic

2017-12-27 01:23:07 UTC

Link to the quiz?

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2017-12-27 01:58:29 UTC

These are mine


2017-12-27 02:34:03 UTC

Do you have a basset hound?

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2017-12-27 02:42:58 UTC

I sure wish I did.

2017-12-27 03:34:30 UTC

my results

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2017-12-27 03:36:39 UTC

Im surprised with this https://i.imgur.com/yeXph09.png

2017-12-27 03:36:45 UTC

Oh wow, interesting results you got

2017-12-27 03:37:15 UTC

You a trap. Lol

2017-12-27 03:40:44 UTC

@.drib you think that result is accurate?

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2017-12-27 03:41:02 UTC

I'm mainly right centrist

2017-12-27 03:42:15 UTC

You scored your highest on nationalist though.

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2017-12-27 03:42:53 UTC

I did on isidewith as well

2017-12-27 03:44:25 UTC

my I sidewith

2017-12-27 03:46:19 UTC

surprised that https://i.imgur.com/hSFkTDq.png this isnt 100%

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2017-12-27 04:20:47 UTC

Am I seriously more right wing than @Anemic Crusader?

2017-12-27 04:36:04 UTC

Xth Crusade Now

2017-12-27 04:39:39 UTC

I have some leeway with my left-right axis because of classical fascism being so inoffensive

2017-12-27 04:39:51 UTC

do you like my pin anemic

2017-12-27 04:40:05 UTC

good pin fam

2017-12-27 04:43:20 UTC

Idk what's your Twitter?

2017-12-27 07:38:02 UTC

What are you actually a "classical fascist" @Anemic Crusader?

2017-12-28 02:09:31 UTC

Ugh. I'm arguing with a social democrat. It's one of those hawkish ones too.

2017-12-28 02:16:15 UTC

Good luck trying to help them. It's tough.

2017-12-28 02:16:44 UTC

I'm just trolling him now

2017-12-28 02:21:15 UTC

Hawkish social democrat? Who's he suggesting we wage war on?

2017-12-28 02:21:39 UTC

Russia, Iran, Syria, the usual suspects

2017-12-28 02:22:37 UTC

>waging war with Russia
Over fucking what, my nigga?

2017-12-28 02:22:53 UTC

Because Putin is doesn't like gay people or something

2017-12-28 02:23:43 UTC

If we waged war with every country that didn't like the gays, Africa and Asia would be smoldering craters

2017-12-28 02:23:58 UTC

He took one of the few redeeming qualities of the left and threw it out the window

2017-12-28 02:24:14 UTC

yeah, but would that really be all that bad?

2017-12-28 02:24:30 UTC

Russians are awesome

2017-12-28 02:24:45 UTC

ok, leave asia then

2017-12-28 02:24:45 UTC

The problem is that we'd be absolutely ragged even if we won

2017-12-28 02:25:40 UTC

We should not have to be, neither can we afford to be the globe's moral policeman

2017-12-28 02:26:29 UTC

And they're one of the few white somewhat Western Christian nations that's moving more towards capitalism

2017-12-28 02:27:15 UTC

Give Russia a decade or two, and I think they'll be fine

2017-12-28 02:27:49 UTC

Especially under Putin/his successors he has lined up

2017-12-28 02:30:05 UTC

The problem is that political commentators in the west judge Putin by western standards.

2017-12-28 02:31:36 UTC

You can't run Russia like a westerner, you'd get steamrolled. Quite frankly, we're lucky to have someone as level-headed, yet strong as Putin in the Kremlin.

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Looking at you, France. For shame

2017-12-28 02:32:29 UTC

That's what I'm saying. Russia is either ruled by drunks, butchers, or effective autocrats.

2017-12-28 02:32:29 UTC

True as fuck

2017-12-28 05:18:24 UTC

Agh fuck

2017-12-28 05:18:38 UTC

I'm outta comebacks for this pro-palestine person

2017-12-28 05:20:14 UTC

Ew. Begone ziocuck

2017-12-28 13:30:25 UTC

@Nottheonlymoron Palestine is only still a thing because of the pity of Israel, at any time they could bomb it to dust and rubble, full coverage.

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Israel won a ton of land and then gave most of it back, what's their fucking beef?

2017-12-28 14:05:19 UTC

By right of conquest alone, Israel should have control of the land between the Jordan and the Nile

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Land from which Hamas then launched rockets at Israeli civillians.

2017-12-28 14:14:08 UTC

@ebowden Israel created Hamas

2017-12-28 14:14:38 UTC

Israel pushes globalism on Western countries and drags us into wars

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Those dirty Jews are allied with the globalists?

2017-12-28 14:15:35 UTC

Don't Israel fucking hate Soros?

2017-12-28 14:15:44 UTC

Just look at the crap pro Israel lobbies push

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