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2017-12-19 05:48:43 UTC

Birth control is literally so cheap I have a years worth in my closet

2017-12-19 05:48:43 UTC

So, you guys believe that foetus' have the right to the use of womens' organs?

2017-12-19 05:48:49 UTC


2017-12-19 05:48:51 UTC


2017-12-19 05:48:58 UTC

If doing so does not harm the mother

2017-12-19 05:49:10 UTC

I do not believe that anyone has the right to use anyone else's organs, no matter what.

2017-12-19 05:49:17 UTC

We simply disagree.

2017-12-19 05:49:18 UTC

@ebowden what rights is the fetus taking away from the mother

2017-12-19 05:49:45 UTC

What does that have to do with anything?

2017-12-19 05:49:55 UTC


2017-12-19 05:50:16 UTC

It is the state, not the foetus that would enforce the right of the foetus to use her organs.

2017-12-19 05:50:20 UTC

An abortion can result in medical complications later in life; the risk of ectopic pregnancies doubles and the chance of a miscarriage and pelvic inflammatory disease also increas

2017-12-19 05:50:40 UTC

I simply do not believe that it should be codified in law that women are to be human life support machines.

2017-12-19 05:50:45 UTC

So I would rather a baby used my organs that destroyed them in later life because of an abortion

2017-12-19 05:50:56 UTC

Do you know how the propagation of a species works?

2017-12-19 05:51:04 UTC

Plus, in almost all circumstances (except for rape) the woman consented to having the fetus exist in the first place

2017-12-19 05:51:05 UTC

That is literally their purpose in life

2017-12-19 05:51:12 UTC


2017-12-19 05:51:20 UTC

That is not how consent works.

2017-12-19 05:51:28 UTC

Exactly ^^

2017-12-19 05:52:00 UTC

Walking around a bad neigbourhood in scant clothes can be a bad idea.

2017-12-19 05:52:16 UTC

But you are not consenting to rape, even thought there might be a high chance of it happening.

2017-12-19 05:52:17 UTC

I'm against it bc I don't think is just a lump of cells.

2017-12-19 05:52:27 UTC

In one scenario we have no violation of rights. In the other scenario we have the massive violation of ones rights

2017-12-19 05:52:34 UTC

By your own logic

2017-12-19 05:52:44 UTC

Just as you are not consenting to be POSed by having unprotected sex, no matter what leftists have to say about.

2017-12-19 05:52:44 UTC

I get it, you personally don't like the idea of people taking responsibility for their own poor decision making

2017-12-19 05:52:52 UTC

Oh snap

2017-12-19 05:52:55 UTC

Not at all.

2017-12-19 05:53:12 UTC

yet you advocate for convenience abortions

2017-12-19 05:53:14 UTC

Sex is a contract, if unprotected you realize you could be making a child

2017-12-19 05:53:17 UTC

People should be responsible for their own actions in life. In terms of rape that choice of their actions was stripped

2017-12-19 05:53:30 UTC

It’s not like we haven’t known this

2017-12-19 05:53:41 UTC

It’s not hard to grasp really

2017-12-19 05:53:45 UTC

Birth control is cheaper than its ever been

2017-12-19 05:53:53 UTC

I do not advocate for doing abortions out of convenience, I just don't believe that people should lose their rights because someone decides they have the wrong reason.

2017-12-19 05:53:59 UTC

There is literally no excuse for a convenience abortion

2017-12-19 05:54:14 UTC

99% of abortions are for convenience

2017-12-19 05:54:22 UTC

Where did you get this stat?

2017-12-19 05:54:24 UTC


2017-12-19 05:54:29 UTC


2017-12-19 05:54:34 UTC

Yes one second

2017-12-19 05:55:10 UTC

Even if it's true, it doesn't matter. You have rights even if your reasons are bad ones.

2017-12-19 05:55:30 UTC


2017-12-19 05:56:31 UTC

What about the original doc?

2017-12-19 05:56:48 UTC


2017-12-19 05:57:02 UTC

Sorry, 96% are convenience

2017-12-19 05:57:04 UTC

Not having your life ruined is "convenience"?

2017-12-19 05:57:29 UTC

Ummmmmmm I mean adoption is a thing

2017-12-19 05:57:52 UTC

So, they don't want to put a child in the foster system?

2017-12-19 05:58:03 UTC

If a 99cent condom could prevent your life being ruined...

2017-12-19 05:58:05 UTC

So they kill it instead

2017-12-19 05:58:14 UTC

Again, no.

2017-12-19 05:58:18 UTC

Dude adoption is so overwhelmingly popular here

2017-12-19 05:58:48 UTC

So, no children are in foster care?

2017-12-19 05:59:25 UTC

Seems odd that the system would have to exist if adopting out a kid to someone good was just so simple.

2017-12-19 05:59:58 UTC

Birth control prevents pregnancy, except for when it doesn't.

2017-12-19 06:00:16 UTC

You do everything right and still get pregnant.

2017-12-19 06:00:29 UTC

You can follow all road rules and still get run over.

2017-12-19 06:00:32 UTC

if it didn't prevent it then chances are it's damaged the fetus beyond the point of it being ok to let it live

2017-12-19 06:00:38 UTC

If you take all steps to prevent pregnancy and still get pregnant I’ll support abortion

2017-12-19 06:00:40 UTC

Marriage would be a nice solution.

2017-12-19 06:00:59 UTC

The point is that people don’t take the steps to avoid pregnancy because abortion is so easily accessable

2017-12-19 06:01:08 UTC

I support rights in general, not only if I like their reasons for using the rights.

2017-12-19 06:01:27 UTC

You said though that the fetus doesn’t take away any rights whatsoever

2017-12-19 06:01:54 UTC

In the same way the human immunovirus is not a person.

2017-12-19 06:02:06 UTC

You support rights in general except when they are an inconvenience?

2017-12-19 06:02:08 UTC

Neither chose to enter you.

2017-12-19 06:02:33 UTC

That’s such a false equivalency

2017-12-19 06:02:37 UTC

aye, but you chose to let it enter (except for rape and birth control failure)

2017-12-19 06:02:38 UTC

No, I just don't believe anyone has the right to others' organs.

2017-12-19 06:02:44 UTC

We choose when to make babies, we don’t choose when to get sick

2017-12-19 06:02:45 UTC

>Comparing a white cell that will never turn to a human to a baby who will.

2017-12-19 06:03:03 UTC

It’s more than organs, your prioritising organs over a life

2017-12-19 06:03:08 UTC


2017-12-19 06:03:36 UTC

I prioritise freedom over life.

2017-12-19 06:03:45 UTC

I'd give up the use of my arm for 2 hours if it'd stop someone falling off a cliff

2017-12-19 06:03:59 UTC

You prioritize certain freedoms

2017-12-19 06:04:09 UTC

You ignore one parties freedoms for another

2017-12-19 06:04:15 UTC

Fuck I actually think that's mandatory over here due to the good samaritan laws in australia

2017-12-19 06:04:22 UTC

Lives are valuable, but I don't value them to the extent that anyone has the right to the use of anyone else's organs without their consent.

2017-12-19 06:04:25 UTC

You value the freedom of property over the absolute freedom of a life

2017-12-19 06:04:25 UTC

I prioritise freedom of choice than freedom of responsability.

2017-12-19 06:04:41 UTC

Property? No, freedom over your own body.

2017-12-19 06:04:49 UTC

Which is your property

2017-12-19 06:04:59 UTC

What about the fetus's freedom to use it's own body?

2017-12-19 06:05:15 UTC

It's body is its property

2017-12-19 06:05:25 UTC

And it can't survive without the woman.

2017-12-19 06:05:37 UTC

You guys have any solutions to the problem of single mothers? I do let's first hear it!

2017-12-19 06:05:42 UTC

but it is a human, thus it has rights to its own body

2017-12-19 06:05:58 UTC

It’s ok to say you accept abortions is cases of rape or medical emergencies but I think it’s morally abhorred to say you support abortions for convenience

2017-12-19 06:06:13 UTC

We simply disagree, you guys believe that you can have the right to the use of someone's organs without their consent, and I do not.

2017-12-19 06:06:30 UTC

No, you idiots, solutions.

2017-12-19 06:06:34 UTC

Ok. Theoretical time

2017-12-19 06:06:53 UTC

@ebowden let’s say you have sex and you get pregnant

2017-12-19 06:07:01 UTC

You believe that proposition, and I do not, there is nothing to discuss.

2017-12-19 06:07:06 UTC

Did you know that there was a chance for you to get pregnant?

2017-12-19 06:07:37 UTC

This logic can be applied to infecting people with STDs just as well.

2017-12-19 06:07:46 UTC

No it cant

2017-12-19 06:07:49 UTC

It can also be applied to a trip to a casino

2017-12-19 06:07:51 UTC

Yes it can.

2017-12-19 06:07:57 UTC

No it literally cant

2017-12-19 06:08:01 UTC

STDs don’t have rights

2017-12-19 06:08:05 UTC

They were aware there was a risk, yet did not consent to being infected.

2017-12-19 06:08:31 UTC

Would you have unprotected sex if you knew it would result in a baby

2017-12-19 06:08:36 UTC

That it has rights does not change whether or not you cosnented.

2017-12-19 06:08:49 UTC

It is really that simple.

2017-12-19 06:08:57 UTC

Consenting In unprotected sex = consenting to have a baby

2017-12-19 06:08:59 UTC

You know what we shoul do? Ban welfare, support community charity, and incourage sex when married.

2017-12-19 06:09:02 UTC

It’s really that simple

2017-12-19 06:09:13 UTC

Unless you can't keep propositions straight in your head.

2017-12-19 06:09:39 UTC


2017-12-19 06:09:41 UTC

No, it isn't. If that is true, then having unprotected sex is consenting to being POZed, and those cali nutters are right.

2017-12-19 06:10:01 UTC

Consenting to unprotected sex = consenting to the possibility of conceiving a child

2017-12-19 06:10:18 UTC

Now you are shifting the goalposts.

2017-12-19 06:10:26 UTC

no u

2017-12-19 06:10:34 UTC

I said sorry?

2017-12-19 06:10:41 UTC

I literally just saw him shift the goalposts.

2017-12-19 06:10:42 UTC

You are both faggots, none of you are giving solutions as to why it happens.

2017-12-19 06:10:48 UTC

But 9/10 times a child is conceived?

2017-12-19 06:10:50 UTC

Use protection.

2017-12-19 06:10:55 UTC

I agree

2017-12-19 06:11:09 UTC

But abortion isn’t a solution for I was too lazy to go get a condom

2017-12-19 06:11:16 UTC

If you can’t look after a child don’t have unprotected sex it isn’t hard guys

2017-12-19 06:11:23 UTC

Talking about rights does not obligate you to search for solutions, shithead.

2017-12-19 06:11:51 UTC

Now now no name calling

2017-12-19 06:12:06 UTC

The minute you attack someone personally you lose the debate

2017-12-19 06:12:14 UTC

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you are literally giving reasons as to why we should legalize abortion, a solution to those reasons.

2017-12-19 06:12:28 UTC

looks like someone is losing their temper

2017-12-19 06:12:49 UTC

Saying that sex should be protected doesn’t support abortion ?

2017-12-19 06:12:49 UTC

I am quite calm. However, when someone is a shithead, I call them that.

2017-12-19 06:12:58 UTC

Not in a debate my friend

2017-12-19 06:12:58 UTC


2017-12-19 06:13:05 UTC


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2017-12-19 06:13:32 UTC

That is really gay @meijinsan :^)

2017-12-19 06:13:40 UTC

We are not attack each other’s characters, we are attacking ideas

2017-12-19 06:13:46 UTC

<:calebHart:157931367420788737> @Valet the Clown

2017-12-19 06:13:47 UTC

Who made this rule? You can't hurt fifis with mean words in the halls debate (trademark)?

2017-12-19 06:13:56 UTC

No adhom in this room

2017-12-19 06:13:58 UTC

2017-12-19 06:14:03 UTC


2017-12-19 06:14:11 UTC

HOW do you get that tm?

2017-12-19 06:14:12 UTC

Well if you want to have a respected intellectual argument...

2017-12-19 06:14:17 UTC

I want it.

2017-12-19 06:14:28 UTC

Emojis lmao but you could copy and paste from the internet

2017-12-19 06:14:29 UTC

I want my cake.

2017-12-19 06:14:50 UTC

alt codes

2017-12-19 06:14:57 UTC

I am talking to someone who has not studied propositional logic, I am not expecting it to be like in academia.

2017-12-19 06:15:12 UTC

hold alt and type 0153

2017-12-19 06:15:23 UTC


2017-12-19 06:15:36 UTC

I forgot about alt codes yikes

2017-12-19 06:15:38 UTC

You should still treat them with respect

2017-12-19 06:15:45 UTC

Ah dogs on my keyboard

2017-12-19 06:15:53 UTC


2017-12-19 06:15:56 UTC

You are not entitled to my respect.

2017-12-19 06:16:19 UTC

I never claimed that being a shithead made them wrong.

2017-12-19 06:16:33 UTC

therefore it was a useless waste of text

2017-12-19 06:16:35 UTC

This is a mistake morons often make.

2017-12-19 06:16:54 UTC

I actually linked to "Meditations on First Philosophy" maybe we could read it together 😃

2017-12-19 06:17:19 UTC

It's like every libertarian read Ad Hominem somewhere and vaguely understands what it is, but not that it is not actually a formal fallacy.

2017-12-19 06:17:34 UTC

They never seem to know what formal and informal fallacies are.

2017-12-19 06:17:36 UTC


2017-12-19 06:17:41 UTC

I just was taught values

2017-12-19 06:17:45 UTC


2017-12-19 06:17:50 UTC

And you hide it well.

2017-12-19 06:17:54 UTC


2017-12-19 06:17:55 UTC

Thanks fam

2017-12-19 06:17:57 UTC

Sorry, no.

2017-12-19 06:18:06 UTC

I thought you meant something else.

2017-12-19 06:18:23 UTC

To be fair a I don't care if you call my a shithead, as long as you don't care if I call you a faggot.

2017-12-19 06:18:27 UTC

No, you being taught values is quite clear and not at all well-hidden.

2017-12-19 06:18:36 UTC

I am a faggot.

2017-12-19 06:18:44 UTC


2017-12-19 06:19:08 UTC

I mean, people even believed I was a woman.

2017-12-19 06:19:08 UTC

This chat has descended into chaos quite quickly

2017-12-19 06:19:26 UTC

So apparently I am in some way one of those fags where people just know.

2017-12-19 06:19:49 UTC

When I was still inside my mother's womb they thought I was a girl.

2017-12-19 06:19:49 UTC

I mean when I approach the abortion argument, you have to from a woman’s perspective

2017-12-19 06:19:57 UTC

They can smell them across the internet the way I can sniff out a brony.

2017-12-19 06:20:04 UTC

You can't.

2017-12-19 06:20:31 UTC

You have no idea what it's like to be a woman, just as smug feminist women have absolutely no idea what it is like to be a man.

2017-12-19 06:20:41 UTC

Sure I do

2017-12-19 06:20:50 UTC

You're a woman?

2017-12-19 06:20:55 UTC

I went through labor with my wife, every step of the way

2017-12-19 06:21:03 UTC


2017-12-19 06:21:19 UTC

I have no idea but I can imagine

2017-12-19 06:21:24 UTC

No that is why I don't make arguments from a woman's pov.

2017-12-19 06:21:27 UTC

That does not make you a woman, or give you access to a "woman's perspective".

2017-12-19 06:21:35 UTC

At all.

2017-12-19 06:21:38 UTC

I mean

2017-12-19 06:21:50 UTC

Apparently I can just say I’m a woman now and it will be accepted

2017-12-19 06:22:00 UTC

Not even a woman has another's pov.

2017-12-19 06:22:24 UTC

I do not believe that abortion debates must be had only by women.

2017-12-19 06:22:27 UTC

That's retarded.

2017-12-19 06:22:30 UTC


2017-12-19 06:22:47 UTC

Hell, how many women are pro life? 40% to 50% it is a rather strange and divisive issue.

2017-12-19 06:22:53 UTC

But when I’m theorizing the position of agreeing to consensual sex that may result in pregnancy?

2017-12-19 06:22:56 UTC

However, I also don't believe that men can actually have a "woman's perspective", they are simply not women.

2017-12-19 06:23:15 UTC

I think they can’t have a woman’s mindset

2017-12-19 06:23:20 UTC

In the same way it's agreeing that you may be POZed.

2017-12-19 06:23:32 UTC


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2017-12-19 06:24:19 UTC

Your pool has aids @meijinsan

2017-12-19 06:24:37 UTC


2017-12-19 06:24:52 UTC

But that’s such a small percentage

2017-12-19 06:25:00 UTC

Like a super minority

2017-12-19 06:25:26 UTC

I don't know why he thinks you have aids.

2017-12-19 06:26:43 UTC

I don’t know either

2017-12-19 06:36:35 UTC


2017-12-19 11:57:48 UTC

Tf is poz

2017-12-19 12:40:03 UTC

What do you mean by "how does money work?"

2017-12-19 12:40:41 UTC

Good God, Jim.

2017-12-19 12:56:25 UTC

What gives fiat currency monopoly money value?

2017-12-19 13:01:21 UTC

The fact that people think it has value

2017-12-19 14:03:20 UTC

It's more convenient than bartering and has the endorsement of the state

2017-12-19 16:10:21 UTC

I assumed you were a woman because you made overly elaborate illogical arguments which is a very woman thing to do.

2017-12-19 16:16:28 UTC

It's a gay man no?

2017-12-19 16:17:21 UTC

Gay man != women

2017-12-19 16:17:45 UTC

omg... i couldnt watch this

2017-12-19 16:17:48 UTC

Yeaah same thing

2017-12-19 16:18:03 UTC

I’m glad I made my strong point

2017-12-19 16:19:00 UTC

A gay man is all of the faults of a woman and none of the benefits.

2017-12-19 16:19:56 UTC

*wants answers to the GQ*

2017-12-19 16:20:53 UTC

Homosexuality is part of white identity

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2017-12-19 16:22:36 UTC

No, it isn't

2017-12-19 16:22:56 UTC

It's a Central Asian problem

2017-12-19 19:27:07 UTC

But seriously guys

2017-12-19 19:27:17 UTC

If this tax bill passes

2017-12-19 19:27:23 UTC

I’ll be killed

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2017-12-19 20:12:20 UTC

The right-wing needs to get better at organizing. This is downright embarrassing. What can we do? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDamXKl05e0

2017-12-19 20:14:02 UTC

I wouldn't say computing forever is right wing though.

2017-12-19 20:14:56 UTC

It was held by people who had no experience in organizing events and bit off more than they could chew.

2017-12-19 20:16:53 UTC

CF isn't explicitly right-wing, but free-speech is a meta right-wing issue at the moment, and I think he's sympathetic to us. It would've been a good event that could've brought people on the fence to our side. 2018 should be a year where we try be more active against the globalists. Trump is not gonna save us.

2017-12-19 20:18:13 UTC

So any thoughts on what to do? I like that there's a lot of younger guys and gals doing trolling and organizing discords, but what else is needed? Maybe more funding of content creators? I try to give through Patreon. What else can we do?

2017-12-19 20:18:44 UTC

You don't think it was arrogance and ignorance that caused it to fail?

2017-12-19 20:20:24 UTC

I've done some event planning at my previous job and it is a huge pain in the keester. I wish some of these big content creators would put out the call to help if they need it. Something about being in this sphere means you have to be like an ubermensch and do everything yourself. Just ask for help!

2017-12-19 20:21:46 UTC

I agree. that's why it went to shit. It became so petty.

2017-12-19 20:24:37 UTC

They took off all the guest from their website. That's a good sign! https://www.kilroyevent.com/featuredSpeakers.php

2017-12-19 20:26:12 UTC

The reputation is already destroyed. They can still get ballpits though.

2017-12-19 20:26:33 UTC

The good quality ones.

2017-12-19 20:26:40 UTC

lmao. It's gonna be like the Fyre Festival.

2017-12-19 20:26:43 UTC

An some jumpers.

2017-12-19 20:27:12 UTC

OMG. Perfect. You hit it right in the nail. Lol

2017-12-19 20:28:09 UTC

Kilroy concierge (2018, colourized)


2017-12-19 20:28:38 UTC

Refugee camps. So right wingers can cosplay as a Muslim immigrant for a day.

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