Birth control is literally so cheap I have a years worth in my closet

So, you guys believe that foetus' have the right to the use of womens' organs?

Yes

Absolutely

If doing so does not harm the mother

I do not believe that anyone has the right to use anyone else's organs, no matter what.

We simply disagree.

@ebowden what rights is the fetus taking away from the mother

What does that have to do with anything?

everything

It is the state, not the foetus that would enforce the right of the foetus to use her organs.

An abortion can result in medical complications later in life; the risk of ectopic pregnancies doubles and the chance of a miscarriage and pelvic inflammatory disease also increas

I simply do not believe that it should be codified in law that women are to be human life support machines.

So I would rather a baby used my organs that destroyed them in later life because of an abortion

Do you know how the propagation of a species works?

Plus, in almost all circumstances (except for rape) the woman consented to having the fetus exist in the first place

That is literally their purpose in life

No.

That is not how consent works.

Exactly ^^

Walking around a bad neigbourhood in scant clothes can be a bad idea.

But you are not consenting to rape, even thought there might be a high chance of it happening.

I'm against it bc I don't think is just a lump of cells.

In one scenario we have no violation of rights. In the other scenario we have the massive violation of ones rights

By your own logic

Just as you are not consenting to be POSed by having unprotected sex, no matter what leftists have to say about.

I get it, you personally don't like the idea of people taking responsibility for their own poor decision making

Oh snap

Not at all.

yet you advocate for convenience abortions

Sex is a contract, if unprotected you realize you could be making a child

People should be responsible for their own actions in life. In terms of rape that choice of their actions was stripped

It’s not like we haven’t known this

It’s not hard to grasp really

Birth control is cheaper than its ever been

I do not advocate for doing abortions out of convenience, I just don't believe that people should lose their rights because someone decides they have the wrong reason.

There is literally no excuse for a convenience abortion

99% of abortions are for convenience

Where did you get this stat?

Cdc

Link?

Yes one second

Even if it's true, it doesn't matter. You have rights even if your reasons are bad ones.

What about the original doc?

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm

Thankyou.

Sorry, 96% are convenience

Not having your life ruined is "convenience"?

Ummmmmmm I mean adoption is a thing

So, they don't want to put a child in the foster system?

If a 99cent condom could prevent your life being ruined...

So they kill it instead

Again, no.

Dude adoption is so overwhelmingly popular here

So, no children are in foster care?

Seems odd that the system would have to exist if adopting out a kid to someone good was just so simple.

Birth control prevents pregnancy, except for when it doesn't.

You do everything right and still get pregnant.

You can follow all road rules and still get run over.

if it didn't prevent it then chances are it's damaged the fetus beyond the point of it being ok to let it live

If you take all steps to prevent pregnancy and still get pregnant I’ll support abortion

Marriage would be a nice solution.

The point is that people don’t take the steps to avoid pregnancy because abortion is so easily accessable

I support rights in general, not only if I like their reasons for using the rights.

You said though that the fetus doesn’t take away any rights whatsoever

In the same way the human immunovirus is not a person.

You support rights in general except when they are an inconvenience?

Neither chose to enter you.

That’s such a false equivalency

aye, but you chose to let it enter (except for rape and birth control failure)

No, I just don't believe anyone has the right to others' organs.

We choose when to make babies, we don’t choose when to get sick

>Comparing a white cell that will never turn to a human to a baby who will.

It’s more than organs, your prioritising organs over a life

Exactly

I prioritise freedom over life.

I'd give up the use of my arm for 2 hours if it'd stop someone falling off a cliff

You prioritize certain freedoms

You ignore one parties freedoms for another

Fuck I actually think that's mandatory over here due to the good samaritan laws in australia

Lives are valuable, but I don't value them to the extent that anyone has the right to the use of anyone else's organs without their consent.

You value the freedom of property over the absolute freedom of a life

I prioritise freedom of choice than freedom of responsability.

Property? No, freedom over your own body.

Which is your property

What about the fetus's freedom to use it's own body?

It's body is its property

And it can't survive without the woman.

You guys have any solutions to the problem of single mothers? I do let's first hear it!

but it is a human, thus it has rights to its own body

It’s ok to say you accept abortions is cases of rape or medical emergencies but I think it’s morally abhorred to say you support abortions for convenience

We simply disagree, you guys believe that you can have the right to the use of someone's organs without their consent, and I do not.

No, you idiots, solutions.

Ok. Theoretical time

@ebowden let’s say you have sex and you get pregnant

You believe that proposition, and I do not, there is nothing to discuss.

Did you know that there was a chance for you to get pregnant?

This logic can be applied to infecting people with STDs just as well.

No it cant

It can also be applied to a trip to a casino

Yes it can.

No it literally cant

STDs don’t have rights

They were aware there was a risk, yet did not consent to being infected.

Would you have unprotected sex if you knew it would result in a baby

That it has rights does not change whether or not you cosnented.

It is really that simple.

Consenting In unprotected sex = consenting to have a baby

You know what we shoul do? Ban welfare, support community charity, and incourage sex when married.

It’s really that simple

Unless you can't keep propositions straight in your head.

Sorry

No, it isn't. If that is true, then having unprotected sex is consenting to being POZed, and those cali nutters are right.

Consenting to unprotected sex = consenting to the possibility of conceiving a child

Now you are shifting the goalposts.

no u

I said sorry?

I literally just saw him shift the goalposts.

You are both faggots, none of you are giving solutions as to why it happens.

But 9/10 times a child is conceived?

Use protection.

I agree

But abortion isn’t a solution for I was too lazy to go get a condom

If you can’t look after a child don’t have unprotected sex it isn’t hard guys

Talking about rights does not obligate you to search for solutions, shithead.

Now now no name calling

The minute you attack someone personally you lose the debate

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you are literally giving reasons as to why we should legalize abortion, a solution to those reasons.

looks like someone is losing their temper

Saying that sex should be protected doesn’t support abortion ?

I am quite calm. However, when someone is a shithead, I call them that.

Not in a debate my friend

What?

lol

That is really gay @meijinsan :^)

We are not attack each other’s characters, we are attacking ideas

<:calebHart:157931367420788737> @Valet the Clown

Who made this rule? You can't hurt fifis with mean words in the halls debate (trademark)?

No adhom in this room

™

lol

HOW do you get that tm?

Well if you want to have a respected intellectual argument...

I want it.

Emojis lmao but you could copy and paste from the internet

I want my cake.

alt codes

I am talking to someone who has not studied propositional logic, I am not expecting it to be like in academia.

hold alt and type 0153

Thanks!

I forgot about alt codes yikes

You should still treat them with respect

Ah dogs on my keyboard

You are not entitled to my respect.

I never claimed that being a shithead made them wrong.

therefore it was a useless waste of text

This is a mistake morons often make.

I actually linked to "Meditations on First Philosophy" maybe we could read it together 😃

It's like every libertarian read Ad Hominem somewhere and vaguely understands what it is, but not that it is not actually a formal fallacy.

They never seem to know what formal and informal fallacies are.

Nah

I just was taught values

<:calebLUL:240173050417381376>

And you hide it well.

OH.

Thanks fam

Sorry, no.

I thought you meant something else.

To be fair a I don't care if you call my a shithead, as long as you don't care if I call you a faggot.

No, you being taught values is quite clear and not at all well-hidden.

I am a faggot.

Nice

I mean, people even believed I was a woman.

This chat has descended into chaos quite quickly

So apparently I am in some way one of those fags where people just know.

When I was still inside my mother's womb they thought I was a girl.

I mean when I approach the abortion argument, you have to from a woman’s perspective

They can smell them across the internet the way I can sniff out a brony.

You can't.

You have no idea what it's like to be a woman, just as smug feminist women have absolutely no idea what it is like to be a man.

Sure I do

You're a woman?

I went through labor with my wife, every step of the way

lol

I have no idea but I can imagine

No that is why I don't make arguments from a woman's pov.

That does not make you a woman, or give you access to a "woman's perspective".

At all.

I mean

Apparently I can just say I’m a woman now and it will be accepted

Not even a woman has another's pov.

I do not believe that abortion debates must be had only by women.

That's retarded.

Mhm

Hell, how many women are pro life? 40% to 50% it is a rather strange and divisive issue.

But when I’m theorizing the position of agreeing to consensual sex that may result in pregnancy?

However, I also don't believe that men can actually have a "woman's perspective", they are simply not women.

I think they can’t have a woman’s mindset

In the same way it's agreeing that you may be POZed.

Ironic

POZed?

Your pool has aids @meijinsan

Ahhhhh

But that’s such a small percentage

Like a super minority

I don't know why he thinks you have aids.

I don’t know either

Ok, new topic: HOW THE ACTUAL FUCK DOES MONEY WORK?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjShQolUCcM

Tf is poz

What do you mean by "how does money work?"

Good God, Jim.

What gives fiat currency monopoly money value?

The fact that people think it has value

It's more convenient than bartering and has the endorsement of the state

I assumed you were a woman because you made overly elaborate illogical arguments which is a very woman thing to do.

It's a gay man no?

Gay man != women

omg... i couldnt watch this

Yeaah same thing

I’m glad I made my strong point

A gay man is all of the faults of a woman and none of the benefits.

*wants answers to the GQ*

Homosexuality is part of white identity

😞

No, it isn't

It's a Central Asian problem

But seriously guys

If this tax bill passes

I’ll be killed

😰

The right-wing needs to get better at organizing. This is downright embarrassing. What can we do? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDamXKl05e0

I wouldn't say computing forever is right wing though.

It was held by people who had no experience in organizing events and bit off more than they could chew.

CF isn't explicitly right-wing, but free-speech is a meta right-wing issue at the moment, and I think he's sympathetic to us. It would've been a good event that could've brought people on the fence to our side. 2018 should be a year where we try be more active against the globalists. Trump is not gonna save us.

So any thoughts on what to do? I like that there's a lot of younger guys and gals doing trolling and organizing discords, but what else is needed? Maybe more funding of content creators? I try to give through Patreon. What else can we do?

You don't think it was arrogance and ignorance that caused it to fail?

I've done some event planning at my previous job and it is a huge pain in the keester. I wish some of these big content creators would put out the call to help if they need it. Something about being in this sphere means you have to be like an ubermensch and do everything yourself. Just ask for help!

I agree. that's why it went to shit. It became so petty.

They took off all the guest from their website. That's a good sign! https://www.kilroyevent.com/featuredSpeakers.php

The reputation is already destroyed. They can still get ballpits though.

The good quality ones.

lmao. It's gonna be like the Fyre Festival.

An some jumpers.

OMG. Perfect. You hit it right in the nail. Lol

Kilroy concierge (2018, colourized)

Refugee camps. So right wingers can cosplay as a Muslim immigrant for a day.