oh dope dude

been a while since we chatted

give me a Min

Does anybody here have female friends? Not friends with benefits, of course. Just friends?

A couple

no \

waste of time

They always flirt when we become red pill, heh?

They do ive noticed

I have a few

I used to have a few some time ago. Was nice, but in the end everyone went their ways

It's sad how I have to ghost even around my friends

im friends with a couple girls but they have to be girls i just dont want to have sex with at all

so that falls into two categories, girls that have just had way too much sex/done too many nasty things that i'm aware of to have any sexual attraction to

and ugly/fat girls

those girls are fine to be friends with at arms length/at a distance. never like a close homie, male friend

being friends with a friend with a really hot girl friend can just suck on a primal level

anyone in here

im sure yall feel great in a male harem am I right?

I'm in the male harem of every woman I've ever dated

The sluts

🤔

I am friends with girls if i dont feel attracted to them and they don't love me. It generally opens the doors to new girls

It is amusing that no matter what, girls/women is still our biggest focal point. This hard wiring in our heads, bodies and soul seems impossible to untangle. Somehow we have to undo millenia of evolution to be able to truly go our own way. Amusing in a sad way sort of.

It is biologically hardwired into our brain to be attracted to girls with some minor exceptions. I am thinking about writing a short essay about the three instances model of Freud to explain how this confusing way of thinking is created. if H³ doesn't do it before me. This has nothing to do with the millenial evolution. Listen to the boomer generation making miserable love songs like Angie or all this "give me another chance"-metal-balladds about their waifus that fuck another guy yet they are still in love. Cucks always existed, MGTOW always existed. But now it is the time a movement was neccesary

Another funny thing i wanted to write about is how in the middle-age Hypagamy was just so much more honest. Then, Women got told to marry this particular guy for his wealthy being or social status. Nowadays you have to fight through many layers of cogntive dissonance of modern values in their heads until in the end when the possibility for them arrived this desire of women eventually shows itself as it is.

@Mysteriedingens interesting insight again who is Freud and h3

Sigmund Freud was an Austrian neurologist and the founder of psychoanalysis

Oh !!! Ok I think I heard about it

Yea, he is one of the most influentia thinkers of the twentieth century concerning Psychology

Do you know about Abraham maslow

And his hierarchy of needs

yes

I will look that up three instances model of freud

it actually combines good with the evolution of todays society and the maslow pyramide

Mysteriedingens, I would love to read that essay! Interesting. Could you elaborate on the 'this has nothing to do with the millenial evolution' thingie though? A couple of sentences before that you agree that it is biologically hardwired. Just want to make sure I understand that distinction of yours. To me evolution is biological hardwiring.

Ok

With evolution in this case i just ment the progression of the society perceiving a certain moral value as good

Damn phone. It keeps buzzing when I try to type. Ok, so more like the evolution of our society then? Just trying to understand your reasoning. Not oppose it in any way 😃

I would read your essay.

Yes, exactly. If you look at it from distance the society is more like the framework that influences the conscious way of thinking but in the end you see the same patterns in every society. The more you read romances from completely different ages the more you seem to understand that.

Like H³ and many other influencers of the MGTOW movement pointed out, our modern framework of values in western society is gynocentric and feminised. That means it is more in the female nature - hedonistic and has lack of purpose. Especially the Video about South Korea of H³ is an eye opener in this sense.

Thank you.

Sometimes I have a hard time following a string of thoughts because it isn't always stated in the outset what viewpoint the argument orginate from. A socially engineered framework like a society or biologically wired hypergamy. I don't mean that they are separated by much, it is just often important to know which one when you try to understand the context of an opinion. And Hermit is quite good at making sure I know from which angle he is coming from.

On another note, I really enjoy just hanging around listening to you guys. I'm a middle aged white Swede so I sort of live in lost territory. The "war" here is over. No matter what happens in the next few years or decades, Scandinavia is lost. Red pills only option here is ghosting in plain sight. The fights now is between different tribes of feminsts ripping each other apart. We are counting on you guys to make a difference.

Here in Germany there are heavy demonstrations against refugees and the conservative-right wing gains alot of Patriots that are full of the decisions made over their heads. With that said, poor Swedistans culture is so declined in the past years that is really just saddening. The same goes for France in the biggest cities by the way.

Yes, we are probably beyond repair up here. Continental Europe might still have a chance to turn this tide. That is pretty much my only hope right now.

as a swed my self i am looking to get the fuck out of hear befor the shit is to bad to tread

Having the chance to ask a native - are the nogo zones as real as reported? I've seen reporters getting tried to run over by cars and things thrown at like apes

nopp

a bit hear and there

I'd say it is true to certain extent. But it is not so much actual zones. It depends more on which part of a city accumulates a critical mass of disgruntled immigrants each night.

hell am in gv if you want to talk

I would but I'm at work so I can't really talk voice. But later tonight I'm happy to talk.

21.00??

Yes, that works for me.

kk

wow interesting, i may tune in

if you can speak English in voice

np

of course Mysteriedingens

But what you heard about the nogo zones are pretty accurate. It is just not always in the said 'zone' sort of

In Germany, it is mostly at the train stations, for example there is huge drug dealing zones in Frankfurt on the Main

Hell, I would actually prefer a nogo zone. That I can avoid. Now you can just be in the wrong place the wrong night.

Dortmund train station was a really sad sight, went through it on a trip 2 monts ago.

yee i started caring a knife for my own protection.... never neede it before

Dortmund is in a bad economical place for germans aswell, this makes it even more sad

I have some valuable experiences with Refugees that i can share with you if i tune in, i camped with 9 of them at a see for 4 days. It was a good time and gave some perspectives

inresting

We hear alot about the refugee situation in Germany up here, but how bad is the feminst scheme there on the crazy scale?

plz do tell

I myself live in Bavaria and i gotta say you have to separate the South and the North Aswell as west and east.

gtg see you all later

see you

@Odd it is less the feminist ideas but more the liberal cucks that want to dig their own graves. Every Party that wants to limit refugges are thrown upon in the media but if you ask in the general population they have huge support.

Even my Ex, a goth that is lgbt-queer poisoned (feminist ideas) has a bad opinion about letting more refugees in

The open borders policy seems to go hand in hand with the feminsts approach. At least here in Sweden.

In the bigger picture it does in Germany too but many individual women also are against the refugee-politic as it is at the moment

But you guys are sort of a federation with states that has a certain degree of autonomy? At least that is my impression of your democracy

So indvidual states can in some ways oppose the federal state? Like Bavaria tighten their borders without Merkels consent?

Yes, we have federal states. But that is a bit much to discuss while working, maybe today in the evening.

For example in one part of germany you are allowed to smoke in bars, in others not. it is hard to explain in text

Yes of course. Was just curious since Sweden is so small that local governments really isnt practical. Which serves the leftists quite well since there is not many instances they have to hold.

Sweden will probably revert back to russian psyops in a 10-20 yr power vacuum situation. 85% taxes is communism in deed, if not name.

what do they care if it goes to the czar or refugees?

They?

Anyone here know how to make a living only on commissions?

I mean being able to make rent each month, save up for a gaming pc, etc., based only on a commission only job?

@Seven Of Swords you would need to have a very, VERY big network for that

I'm starting to go crazy doing that, so no.

Having your own place and a gaming pc isn't rich, my dude.

alright...

rent and monthly payments are dumb

i agree

the whole capitalist system is fucked

uh... no. Capitalism is the best.

lol

people who believe in welfare are dependents just like women and aren't real MGTOW.

ok... I don't like the state either.

Capitalism and the state are dogshit lol

And I'm not MGTOW lol

So I don't really care about who is a "real" MGTOW and who isn't

*yawns*

@Kazemaru Do you live only on commissions?

@Fateek I don't understand your reactions...

yeah neither do i

lol

@Seven Of Swords nope. I live with a part time job as a waiter and my savings

"The world need more waiters" pffft!

That line doesn't shame me anymore

Working as a waiter is good

Espeacialy in a japanese restaurant

I can eat sushi and still be paid for it

Well, I got another Interview tomorrow

I love Sushi

I am an integrated degree student

roughly make 700€ a month but in a year this will be four times as much

then i can finally be a beta bucker like i always wanted ❤

@Odd @MeepMeepRonin i bought a headset so i can join in

@Seven Of Swords how old are you?

@Happy Humble Hermit I'm under 25

@Seven Of Swords don't let your ego limit your job pool

In what sense?

Feeling you're too good for certain jobs if you don't have experience

Shotgun spread your job applications

Apply to everything and deal with who calls back

What if its not necessarily a feeling that one is too good for a position but rather that other positions are more necessary and worth my time than others? Is that necessarily egotistic, or perhaps a reality of the situation?

BTW, I've been applying across many different types of fields

You need to get paid first before you worry about the neccessity of a job for society

Getting paid is one thing, being paid enough to make rent is another.

Multiple jobs

Don't be picky until you can afford to be

Why work so many jobs when you can carefully pick one that covers the expenses of more than one?

I mean, I understand your argument, but to me, its just another pitiful defense of the already disgusting system.

I understand that you are trying to help, but again, we don't live on the same planet.

H³ since im 19 i work a 8 to 4 schedule and sometimes i work on the side, i turned 21 recently. Unfortunately this makes your social life suffer a bit.

I took a crappy security job that was dangerous and paid little and now i work an easy security job and listen to tfm and alex jones all day making almost double

And?

You need experience before you start getting picky, you aren't entitled to anything until you prove your abilities

I already have experience... this whole "workers aren't entitled" mindset is simply a non-sequiteur to what I am talking about...

I've had internships and part-time jobs

and a degree

Have you ever had a full time job

No... that's what I'm looking for lol

Again, the whole "appease the employer and it your fault if you don't" argument makes no sense.... I have no control over if I get hired or not. The best that I can do is show up to interviews, dress nice and have my resume prepared.

If I don't get hired, its the employer that decides that, not me.

If you want an easy full time job go networking

Don't put all your eggs in one basket and don't ever depend on one employer. Always have options

Options = power

That's not the argument my dude.

My issue is with the very system that makes people have to choose someone to exploit them, not necessarily that a worker needs to keep options open to be exploited.

Again, we have different ideas of what "power" is...

Sorry bro I'm teaching rn. Just wanted to give my two cents. If you're operating from a defeatist perspective then you'll always be disappointed. If you don't like the system of work then spend some time in a homeless shelter and reflect on your work ethic

Have fun with your non-sequiturs and outdated boomer arguments then. Again, until you understand how it is that people have constructed work, we will never understand each other.

And besides, all of my eggs are literally not in one basket because I've applied across many different fields.

And by the way, an insurance company did want to hire me, but its commission only, given my concern with the ability to live off of commission. And now I have another interview tomorrow that can hopefully provide more stability than relying on commission.

once you accept a job and work their. all your eggs will be in that basket. so yea they are all in one basket

@Seven Of Swords dude don't be getting hostile, we're all brothers, just be understanding

@Little_Bob_69 I don't understand how I'm being hostile exactly... HHH was the one that said that I should be in a homeless shelter in order to meditate on "work ethic" even though my work ethic is not the issue here...

Well we shouldn't point fingers even if you are right, I do believe that meant to give you an exaggerated example of the type of job you would basically want since you have allot of expectations and requirements and also you replied with "and?" Before he said what he said, sounds pretty hostile, I could be wrong

That wasn't hostile, you said something about not liking how workers are exploited by their employers for doing a service and if you don't like how the system of work is set then that is why homeless shelters exist

@Happy Humble Hermit Really? You think that's why homeless shelters exist? Do you mind if I send you a DM?

Its a YouTube video

I don't think that homeless shelters simply exist just because the workers aren't bending over backwards for the employers enough...

@Little_Bob_69 Was it hostile or did I simply want a more thorough answer of why his point was supposed to be significant?

@Happy Humble Hermit I'll send you the DM anyway and we can have perhaps a much more thorough discussion. If you choose not to watch it, then so be it, to each his own.

I spent time in a homeless shelter

A large percentage of men were divorced rape and unfairly placed there

And a percentage did not want to work and indulged in drugs and alcohol

We can complain about the state of employment but you still need to be employed

Why?

Why should we tolerate a system where just because you don't have a job you suffer a more miserable existence than if you had one?

On VC if anyone Wants to Talk

Why are you defending the very system that allowed for a space to be carved out for you to be "homeless" and thus seen as less than human or a leech in the eyes of many? To me, its better off that that system becomes dismantled and criticized extraordinarily harshly...

@ZODD I would love to, but I have to take these exams. Maybe later.

i don't think he is Defending that system , hes just telling it how he sees it @Seven Of Swords

@ZODD I understand that, but saying that "you better work or you will suffer" sounds to me like a defense... How about instead of saying that you better develop a better work ethics, how about instead we consider ways to think about male homelessness and perhaps solutions that can help eliminate it? Why defend a system that one would clearly hate?

Well in order to Fight the System , you Must out Smart it First. It is No ones Responsibility to Fix any Issues in terms of Legal Systems/ Homeless system, even if it against Men Entirely. ( We Are Getting to MRA Topics at this point)

OK, lets go back to the original topic: employment

Well, Men Make More Money than Women in general

@Seven Of Swords don't be hostile during the enterview. Keep cool

Nobody Wants to work nowadays, its all about automation

@Kazemaru Thanks for the advice.

Also, keep building your network

Yes you need to work only to sustin yourself

Well, it seems Like @Seven Of Swords Doesn't want to work for anyone, So starting your own Company is the Only Option

Thats it

💗 You @the adventures male

We are part of a community here, so... In a certain way, we are part of your network

I heard that a lot of man are dropping out of the work force

true.

In the US

Well I can understand some of them

Women Suck in the USA, Why Work for them. HAHA

We need to work for ourself/femily

Mother/grandma/grandpa

Listen, We as ReDPIll Men , have to Find Value in other redpill men , Its not a Competition anymore guys

That is true

Hey @ZODD... What is the section "super secret basement > cult meeting" about?

Man are cometing because of women

When women are out of the equasion

Good Question? even i don't have access

Man can focus on them selfs

If anyone would like to Volunteer as Mod , Pls DM Andrew MEME King for inquiries

This days the only way you can have real fun in this world, is onlt being single

Could be.... A place to set meeting IRL to this community?

Every day women remind me that I made the right choise of being a Mgtow

@Seven Of Swords same goes for what Hermit said

@Seven Of Swords we should tolerate the system because through it you get things you otherwise couldn't

@Little_Bob_69 How so? How about other systems that can work significantly better and make you more free all the while still providing for what you want?

There is no perfect system, after all, humans are corrupt

@Seven Of Swords that's our current system. MGTOW is literally paradise mindset

@Little_Bob_69 Really? Is it that we are corrupt, or perhaps that we unknowingly create our own corruption?

@Longshanks How is MGTOW any different from being an "opium of the masses" while men simply watch as their social, economic, and political systems corrode? What happens when men are not able to be go their own way because they end up homeless, or they can;t find a job, or they are simply tired with playing the society game for the sake of money?

Do you know what the role of a Sensei is in eastern teachings? @Seven Of Swords

When a student is in folly, the teacher does not tell the student they are in folly

The teacher edifies the folly

Accelerates it

MGTOW is the sensei for society

That makes no sense, but ok.

If every man is going his own way, no man is a student to another, by definition.

But everyone is not MGTOW

Tis quite the reverse, few are MGTOW

Dude, MGTOW aren't even really MGTOW... they just make themselves believe that they are.

>men going their own way

>have to live on wages of arbitrary paper strips in order to survive

ok

if that's what you think MGTOW is you clearly don't get it

Enlighten me.

Is it survival like what they all say?

Self-actualization?

Being weary of female nature?

Simply just not getting married?

All of those things?

MGTOW is independence from external validation

Validation. Nobody talked about living in no woods and shiiET

I would say MGTOWs statistically have a higher earning potential

The average dudes who lived in books in high school, who looked at school as gladiator pits.

Since most humans don't learn from other's mistakes, only a fraction of such men will actually avoid marriage

Most will get burned and learn the hard way

Few will see the Matrix for what it is. Those few are the ones who will have an earthly paradise. Even if society is decaying and burning down around them

And yes, all the above

Make sense?

If you don't understand I recommend you find the nearest road whore and get married to her, you will learn da wae very quickly @Seven Of Swords

Ok... so you can see marriage for the sham that it is, but not the very social mechanisms that create a space for men to call themselves MGTOW in the first place? You don't see the contradictions that many ideas proposed by MGTOW claim, yet their own actions say otherwise?

You talk an awful lot about people not being able to see the Matrix, yet you defend it by suggesting that men can be free in a world where they have to be wage slaves for the sake of "earning potentials".

Peak false-consciousness and make believe.